10:32 PM CST: Here's a new name in the mix, Chone Figgins, from an article in the LA Times blog. Apparently the Cubs have asked the LA Angels of Anaheim about the leadoff batting, switch hitting, infielder/outfielder. The Angels don't have a good idea of what they would want in return until they get beyond the possibilities regarding Mark Texeira or a new closer such as Brian Fuentes. File this under good stuff that could get put in the ol' Christmas stocking on Dec. 24th. (Cubster)
9:40 PM CST: Jayson Stark writes that the Peavy deal "doesn't seem so inevitable anymore," adding that all the reports of the Cubs' willingness to move Mark DeRosa have really chummed the trade waters:
Since word leaked out that DeRosa might be available, the Cubs have
been bombarded with calls from other clubs interested in DeRosa. So
some of those teams report that Cubs GM Jim Hendry is telling them he
might deal DeRosa separately, but he doesn't really want to deal him at
all. So that, said one source, "has opened up a whole 'nother can of
worms."
(Cubnut)
6:47 PM CST: Levine must have been at the same lunch as Bruce Miles, but he got that a deal for an outfielder should be done very soon, either Raul Ibanez or Milton Bradley, with the odds favoring Bradley. (Rob G.)
5:07 PM CST: The rumor queen is back saying that, oh just maybe they will move DeRosa in the right deal. She then regurgitates a Steve Phillips story that the deal could be DeRosa to the Phils for Happ or pitcher Carlos Carrasco and shortstop Jason Donald and then those two prospects plus Felix Pie, Josh Vitters and Jason Marquis (and you have to assume cash) to the Padres for Peavy.
- Bruce Miles says that Randy Johnson is still very much in play if the Peavy deal doesn't happen, the Twins and a number of other teams are interested in DeRosa if he is available and Gabor might be back as an NRI this spring competing for the backup catcher job. Lou also said he believes the left-handed hitting outfielder will come to the Cubs via free agency and not trade. (Rob G.)
3:03 PM CST: All kinds of bullshit floating around now...
We've got BP and Jon Heyman saying the Cubs need to move Marquis and his contract before finishing the Peavy trade.
- A few odd WSCR radio reports that Hendry is just keeping the trade talks alive as a favor to Towers in hopes that another team will swoop in. I can't say that makes an ounce of sense. Followed by another WSCR radio report that Towers may just keep Peavy. Always a good time to point out that WSCR's sources are trained monkeys living at the L-station stop on Addison.
- Muskat-love says DeRosa is staying put.
- Sullivan can't get anything out of Hendry and throws a monkey wrench in there with, "According to some reports, manager Lou Piniella said
the Cubs have little interest in Peavy, which is contrary to everything
that has been said and written over the last two months." He also mentions that some think the Padres are trying to move Peavy before he blows out his elbow, not because they need the money.
He says Sean Marshall is off the table but Josh Vitters is in and Marquis needs to be moved. Then throws in some stuff on the outfielders.
- Heyman also had a note saying the Mets asked the Cubs about some of their relief pitchers (shrug). (Rob G.)
1:52 PM CST: Bruce Levine has a blog? Claims the current deal being discussed is DeRosa to the Phils for Happ and a second prospect and then sending Happ, Vitters, Hart and Marquis plus $3-4M for Peavy. It makes it sound like the Cubs would keep the 2nd pitching prospect from the Phils.
Levine also mentions a possible trade in the works for an outfielder.
The Kerry Wood deal sounds likes it's going to be 2/20 with some sort of option and they're just waiting for the physical. (Rob G.)
10:28 AM CST: Twins may take the Phillies spot in the Peavy trade and get DeRosa.
- Bruce Levine says the deal is 2/21 for Wood with a third year option, supposedly a vesting option. (Rob G.)
7:00 AM CST UPDATE: Looks like the Brewers are about to become about 300 pounds less formidable.
(Cubnut)
in which we do not bring up ED, Obama, the soon-to-be ex-Illinois Governer or Al Gore...
- Jayson Stark says there's no way a deal will get done by Thursday. Of course, Towers has already said it doesn't need to be done by Thursday, the Padres just wants their to be progress. Stark does say that it's possible that it will just be the Cubs and Padres.
- The San Diego Union-Tribune now says
the Padres do like J.A. Happ and possibly a lower-level pitching
prospect. An earlier post (same link) says the Cubs have pulled Sean
Marshall out of the talks and want the Padres to take Jason Marquis.
Padres would want at least half of Marquis' contract paid for by the
Cubs.
- Paul Sullivan has a Philly source that insists a deal is in place with them if the Cubs are willing to sign off on it. He also talked to Crane Kenney and says any prospective owners are fully aware about Peavy's contract and its impact on the Cubs budget. Sullivan mentions that the deal would be the Cubs sending DeRosa to the Phils for the 2 pitching prospects and then Marquis and the 2 pitching prospects to San Diego, although it seems like he's missing a few players.
Sullivan also says talks are heating up with Milton Bradley and the Cubs would like to acquire a left-handed hitting outfielder before completing the Peavy deal.
- Bruce Miles and Wittenmyer with pretty much the same stories, although Wittenmyer mentions a Philly source that doesn't think the Cubs will include DeRosa and that the Phillies have interest in other Cubs players.
- It's all but official that Kerry Wood has signed with the Indians for two years with a third year vesting option. (Rob G.)
Comments
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
Sensible reasons for taking Sean Marshall off the table? Nah, I can't think of any either. Unless, of course, the Padres didn't want him.
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
sensible reason would be that you'll need someone to pitch when (not if) some of our pitchers get hurt. The other sensible reason is we don't know the other players involved yet, so the Cubs may be feeling they're giving up too much.
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
harden...and as much as i hate to say it...Z is looking vulnerable.
i dunno if angel guzman can be counted on to start...or at least go more than 80-100 pitches. it really depends on how they use them and loosen him up during spring i guess.
at this point i'm not counting on rich hill to even break with the team. he's having a really shitty winter ball after a pretty mediocre 08 minor league season.
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
I think Guzman and Hill both belong firmly in the Wood&Prior - it's OK to have them, but don't count on anything at all from them spots on the roster.
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8916168/Tuesday...
rosenthal says the deal gets closer.
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
Should I freeze my hard on?
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
Well it's already old and blue, a little cold probably won't hurt much.
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
$8MM/year to Kerry Wood, or $4-5MM/year to Gregg, I don't get it. Wood is a much better pitcher than Gregg, certainly worth a $3-4MM/year premium. All I can figure is that the Cubs weren't confident they could rely on Wood's physical condition over time, an understandable flinch given the Cubs' history with Wood.
Question: Should the Cubs be interested in Trevor Hoffman??
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
2yr/16m for wood?
that sounds like a relative bargain if true.
...was expecting somewhere in the 2-3 year, 10 per area.
either way it's gonna be odd seeing wood in anything but a cubs uniform.
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
I know I'm a getting a little old, but, damn, my pants are wet, thanks to all this...this....so close to Peavy talk. I mean, seriously, we are not talking about urine. I know I'm old. No. We are talking about Semen. With a capital S. Semen. This is where I am right now with Peavy. I am cumming in my pants.
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
Wow. That was way more graphic than it really needed to be.
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
Okay. Enough with the jokes.
You know what an old fuck thinks? I think, a sinker ball pitcher like Lowe would be awesome in Wrigley and he would be a lot nastier than a dude like Peavy if he can keep his arm out of a sling (where is the proof that Peavy won't?), and trading half of humanity for a dude who might break down is stupid as stupid gets.
Hire Lowe, if you think your pitching staff needs a stud. For god's sake, the dude would be nasty in wrigley, even (especially) if he is old.
lordy, why is this so hard?
Shit. Oh crap. I think I just shat in my pants again.
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
Old and Blue.... lay off the sauce brotha!
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
Submitted by crunch on Wed, 12/10/2008 - 1:33am.
harden...and as much as i hate to say it...Z is looking vulnerable.
i dunno if angel guzman can be counted on to start...or at least go more than 80-100 pitches. it really depends on how they use them and loosen him up during spring i guess.
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CRUNCH: Angel Guzman has been used exclusively as a starter so far in Veneszuela (7 GS), although of course that doesn't mean he won't work out of the bullpen with the Cubs in 2009. But at least Gooz is another option for the rotation next season if one is needed.
It would probably be a good idea to keep either Samardzija, Marshall, or Hart "stretched out" at Iowa in case somebody is needed to replace a starter who goes on the DL and there isn't time to get one of the relievers back on a starter's program. Mitch Atkins should be available for an emergency recall, too, but he has no MLB experience.
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
The Cubs better not be going into 2009 expecting anything out of Rich Hill (headcase) or Angel Guzman (injury prone). That could be a big mistake. Z, Peavy, Lilly, Harden and Marshall (Smorezjia & Hart waiting in the wings) is how they should go if they land Peavy and dump Marquis.
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
You forgot Dempster.
Re: Angel Guzman has been used exclusively as a starter so far
/but Guz is getting pounded down there. 35 hits in 26 innings. Less than 4 IP per start. 5.54 ERA.
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
Although I love all of the news coming out of the winter meetings, it also drives me nuts. Yesterday, it was reported that Sabathia was done with the Yanks and was leaning toward the Giants. Today, CC is on the verge of signing with the Yanks and the Giants are saying they won't offer him six years.
Likewise, the on again-off again Peavy deal is frustrating. One minute the deal is imminent, the next it is on hold awaiting new ownership of the team. Frustrating...
I know these reporters all want to get a scoop, but it would be nice if they once-in-a-while got something right.
Re: I know these reporters all want to get a scoop, but it would
"I know these reporters all want to get a scoop, but it would be nice if they once-in-a-while got something right."
I wonder how many of them are even in Las Vegas.
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
I hate the guy, but have to admit Lowe is looking like a good value-for-money guy right now.
Have we traded for that G. H. Ruth kid yet?
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
Heard B. Levine about ten minutes ago. Probably reiterates what is said, but, indeed, Towers has agreed to take Marquis in a deal - if the Cubs eat "about half" of his salary. He stated Crane Kenney talked to reporters and in need be, he would go to the prospective new owners to get the ok on more $$ should it be required, to pull the trigger.
From this, I would deduce that Marshall would be "saved" in this scenario, which is probably a good thing.
Who the hell knows how anything else shakes out.
IMO, the only thing that comes to mind when I think about Jake Peavy being part of the staff is - we really do not have one pitcher that the opposition says, "Oh Shit...", when they know they'd have to face him.
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
We've got one pitcher like that, unfortunately it's when he's in the batter's box.
Seriously, though, when Zambrano is throwing strikes and Harden's shoulder isn't throbbing there's not a lot of lineup that are salivating to face them.
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
Agreed.
Unfortunately, their consistency has not been quite on the same par with Peavy, I don't think.
One thing that I have been thinking about, is how will the WBC effect the "Aces" in MLB again? IIRC, their stats were hurt when they returned from the extra innings.
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
Radio reports in Chicago indicate that Guzman has been hitting 96 mph.in Venezuela this winter, and that his name has been mentioned in the Peavy Saga.
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
According to Bruce Levine
Wood signs 2 year $ 21 million contract with option for third with Cleveland.
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
Sigh.
Did he say if the third year was a vesting or a team option?
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
Radio report just saying "option"
Steve Phillips reports Orioles sign Izzy.
Chad weeps.
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
thanks
I heard that the Izturis signing was pending a physical. Hopefully they won't check for things like short and slow in the physical.
Re: Wood signs a TWO year deal?
That's a shocker. Hendry said the Cubs weren't interested in signing Wood because KW wanted a 3 or 4 year deal.
""I think we all feel that Kerry is certainly deserving of a three- or four-year contract," Hendry said. "He's done everything this organization has asked for the last 14 years, been a warrior the last couple of years. He's come back and health-wise stood the test of time, taken the ball every day we needed, and had no hang-ups, except for (missing one month with a blister injury).
"We're just in a situation, as Kerry fully understands, that that length of deal, for the kind of salary he'd command right now, is not our first priority. We certainly have to finish our rotation, we have offensive situations to address, and by having the prominence that (Carlos) Marmol now brings to the table, it certainly doesn't come before the other needs we have. We felt it was time Kerry goes out and does what's best for him and his family, and gets a huge multi-year deal if possible."
Re: Winter Meetings 2008 Day 3
I personally would say "Oh, shit..." when facing Big Z, Harden, and/or Peavy no matter who I was (in instances like the Real Neal mentioned). And Dempster and Lilly aren't slouches either, especially for a 4 & 5. If we get Peavy, it's beautiful to think that the opposition will have to face at least one of our 3 beasts. (I hate "ifs"--get it done, Jim!)
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