Marquis May be on the Move
Submitted by Rob G. on Tue, 12/30/2008 - 5:00pm
6:24 PM CST UPDATE: Reader "DB" is all over it today including an update from Bruce Levine on ESPN 1000. The highlights:
6:32 PM CST UPDATE: Troy Renck at the Colorado Post makes the deal sound pretty official, although he concurs with Levine that it likely won't be announced until next week. He mentions the Cubs sending $1M to the Rockies. If true, the Cubs take on at least $4M ($3.5M plus a $500K buyout for next year) and send $1M to the Rockies, netting themselves $4.875M in savings, a bit more if you count the $500K buyout towards next season's payroll.
6:50 PM CST UPDATE: Wittenmyer chimes in and says it's at least $875K going to the Rockies. I should also mention that Vizcaino was arrested on a misdeamoner DUI in Florida in October.
7:11 PM CST UPDATE: Rosenthal also says it would be less than $1M headed to the Rockies.
8;25 PM CST UPDATE: Bruce Miles throws a wet blanket on the deal saying it's possible but not done yet. Adding that the deal is essentially in the Rockies hands to approve.
One of our readers ("DB") caught Steve Phillips saying a deal of Jason Marquis to the Colorado Rockies for relief pitcher Luis Vizcaino was "close". Famous last words of any rumor...
MLB Trade Rumors has it as well (apparently part of the update ticker on ESPN2).
Marquis is owed $9.875M and the story out of Colorado yesterday was that they couldn't "absorb hardly any of his $9.8 million salary this season." Cot's Baseball Contracts has Vizcaino as making $3.5M in 2009 and a $4M option in 2010 with a $500K buyout. That would still leave the Rockies on the hook for $6.375M and I'm going to guess that the Cubs are still throwing $1-2M more the Rockies way if this does indeed go down.
6:24 PM CST UPDATE: Reader "DB" is all over it today including an update from Bruce Levine on ESPN 1000. The highlights:
- Marquis trade may not be competed until next week
- Deal for Bradley is essentially done but also won't be announced for a week or two
- Moving Marquis means the Cubs may once again hit up the Padres about Peavy
- Hendry might try to spin Vizcaino if he does acquire him
- DeRosa may still need to be moved if they go after Peavy
6:32 PM CST UPDATE: Troy Renck at the Colorado Post makes the deal sound pretty official, although he concurs with Levine that it likely won't be announced until next week. He mentions the Cubs sending $1M to the Rockies. If true, the Cubs take on at least $4M ($3.5M plus a $500K buyout for next year) and send $1M to the Rockies, netting themselves $4.875M in savings, a bit more if you count the $500K buyout towards next season's payroll.
6:50 PM CST UPDATE: Wittenmyer chimes in and says it's at least $875K going to the Rockies. I should also mention that Vizcaino was arrested on a misdeamoner DUI in Florida in October.
7:11 PM CST UPDATE: Rosenthal also says it would be less than $1M headed to the Rockies.
8;25 PM CST UPDATE: Bruce Miles throws a wet blanket on the deal saying it's possible but not done yet. Adding that the deal is essentially in the Rockies hands to approve.
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#1 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
I saw it awhile ago on ESPN News. Baseball America also noted that the Cubs resigned Andres Blanco (SS)AAA.
#2 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
First step to getting Peavy.
RIGHT?!?! RIGHT!?!?!
#3 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
I'd love the salary dump if it were actually a salary dump. But it's not. I don't think you're saving nearly enough money to make it worth the effort. On top of that, Vizcaino just isn't any good. Career 4.34 ERA. High H/9 and BB/9 rate. Pretty unimpressive K/9 rate to go with. He just doesn't have very good stuff, either. Throws really hard, but has horrible control.
If I'm going to get rid of Marquis, I'd like to either A) actually dump a vast majority of the salary or B) get some actual talent in return. If we're saving $6M, then fine. If we're talking about only 2 or 3, then what's the point? Trading his $9M for Vizcaino's 3.5M salary while coughing up another couple of million in the process gets us anywhere.
#5 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
rumors be the Cubs were willing to cough up as much as half of Marquis contract, so taking on $3.5 and probably kick in $1.45M, that's almost $5M in savings and they get a bullpen arm that can be cut if he blows chunks next year.
It's not as good as trading Marquis for Hanley Ramirez per se, but it's probably the best the Cubs can do. The big question is what they do with the extra $5M (assuming that is the case).
#7 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
If that turns into something else, then fine. If we take that $5 million and get another piece, then great. But, I'll wait until then to pass a final judgement. On the surface, I'd rather have the mid 4's ERA out of the the 5th starter.
Also, this kinda feels like one of those Hendry deals where he sends more money back the other way than we all anticapiated.
#9 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
given the current state of rumors hendroid might need that loot to just get the OF part without adding a top notch starter.
#4 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
This is great news...i'd take some baseballs for Marquis! I'd rather have Jose Vizcaino...but we will most likely add 1-2 millino with the deal saving 4-5 million...I think this will likely help with the RF search...eventhough now it may reopen the Peavy talks. He'll likely take the place of Howry. I like Marshall as the fifth starter and Angel Guzman into relief. Exciting news...hopefully it becomes official.
#6 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
fwiw samninja will be given spring training starts, supposedly.
#8 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
ESPN's own GM for the day:
http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/blogs/entry/12255432...
Got to be a joke, right? My favorites are:
'Rafael' Soriano and Fukudome for Barry Zito and Nate Schierholtz
-and-
"Lee and Ramirez to Baltimore for A bag of magic beans works for me, but I'd rather have 4 prospects/ suspects."
What a smart fanbase. Here's his improved lineup:
1. CF Joey Gathwright - the next Willie Wilson/ Bobby Dernier
2. SS Theriot
3. RF Schierholz
4. C Soto
5. 1B Hinske / Hoffpair
6. 3B Wiggington
7. LF Montanez or DeRosa
8. 2B Fontenot
#10 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
that was an exercise in total pointlessness.
no, actually, it's just plain f'n retarded.
yeah.
#11 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
I actually felt stupid as I was reading it...like, this can't be right, can it?
#12 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
a curse on your house for making me read that....
jhubba1 just turned a 97-win team into a 50-win team...that's something special.
#13 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
But Gathright "hit at every level he's been used at"! He's so stupid, he ends his sentences with prepositions.
and, you're welcome.
#14 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
WMVP had Bruce Levine on a couple mintues ago saying that the Peavy talks will again heat up after the Marquis deal goes through but that the Marquis trade might not be completed until next week. He also thinks that the Bradley deal is essentially a "done deal" but it won't be announced for a week or even two. He also noted that DeRosa may still have to be moved in an attempt to garner a couple of prospects from another club to spin to the Padres. In other words, same as it ever was regarding the Peavy talks. Hendry is going to have to "move money around" to get Peavy and Bradley starting with this Marquis deal. He said Hendry will attempt to dump Vizcaino as well, perhaps in the DeRosa trade or with a possible Peavy/SD deal. That was about the extent of it.
#16 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
another take on what Levine said...
http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Forum/viewtopic.p...
supposed direct quote from Levine
"Would not be suprised if DeRosa is gone in next 3 days"
#15 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
updated the post with db's Levine update and a story from Colorado that makes it sound pretty much official.
$1M headed to the Rox as well...
#17 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
Trade Marquis and eat $1MM, that is a good trade. However, the Bradley rumor does not make me happy. I would rather have Dunn or Abreu. Hell, I would rather have Griffey over Bradley.
#18 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
I would think Bradley's likely to be better than Griffey in both OPS and games played next year. The only reason to prefer Grif is if Bradley is going to get a large, backloaded contract ... and if so, we'll just trade him to Colorado in a few years.
#34 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
John:
I can not disagree with the numbers. But, I think we will all be freaking when Bradley goes into one of his tiraids and becomes a distraction. At least with Griffey, we know we are getting a team player. Even though he is a part time player. Bradley's attitude scares the hell out of me. He reminds me of TO.
#58 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
I fail to see the comparison. TO's a horribly selfish player who constantly causes problems in his locker room with his teammates. Bradley's done that only once, due mostly to Jeff Kent being a fucking cocksucker.
The only other reason Bradley's ever caused any problems is because somebody questioned his heart or the heart of his teammates. I'm trying REALLY REALLY hard to not sound like Al Yellon here, but that's a guy I'll gladly take on my team. I'd love to have a guy who'd go to battle for his teammates. That's a guy who wins a lot of friends in the clubhouse. By all accounts, if you ask anybody not named Jeff Kent, Bradley's a great teammate to have.
He's a far better defender than either Abreu or Dunn. That's a great concern to me since our other two OF spots are filled by Soriano and a out-of-position Fukudome. Plus, he's outproduced both Abreu and Dunn from an OPS standpoint in both of the last two seasons. I've been high on Bradley all winter, and if the price is right, I'll be glad to have him.
What does concern me is the health issue. He's played 100 games only three times in eight years. If he's healthy, he's the guy I'd pick out of the 3. However, if if and but's were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas.
#78 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
due mostly to Jeff Kent being a fucking cocksucker.
What is this... Deadwood? :)
#19 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
"I should also mention that Vizcaino was arrested on a misdeamoner DUI in Florida in October."
Anybody got a Farnsworth joke handy?
#20 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
viz = farns in a lot of ways, comparing their stuff and lifestyle/attitude.
#21 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
I heard the entire Levine interview. He seemed quite certain that the Marquis-Vizcaino deal would be announced by Monday; and that "2-3 days later" DeRosa would be moved for prospects, who would be flipped with the Cubs' own prospects for Peavy.
Vizcaino would likely be flipped in the Peavy deal or another deal. He thought that it would all be done in the next 12-15 days.
He also stated that the Bradley deal has been "done" for weeks, and would also be announced in the next several days.
He was very matter-of-fact about the entire string of transactions, as if they were all set and all that remained were the announcements.
#22 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
Remember the #1 goal of this off-season was to get more left-handed in the line-up---if we have LHH in CF and RF it's no change from last year----that's why it makes sense to move DeRosa and put Mike F. at 2b---now we've got an added LHH in the line-up----also, it frees up addition 5.5 million----look for Peavy talks to heat up again
#23 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
Levine also mentioned that many of these moves (DeRosa especially) were designed to free up payroll, which he estimated at already being at or near $140 million for the 40-man roster. He reminded the show hosts (and others) that the budget covers the entire 40-man roster, not just the 25-man active roster.
He thought that the sale of the club would be completed in January, and that the new owners would cap the budget at $140 million.
#24 Mets offer
Lowe 3/36
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/31/sports/baseball/...
#25 Re: Mets offer
yeah...good luck with that offer, mets.
#26 Re: Mets offer
The Cubs could beat that and end this Peavy nonsense with giving up only their #1 pick.
#27 Re: Marquis May be on the Move
Mister Whipple, read this.
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