My Hall of Fame Vote
The Hall of Fame voting results are going to be announced on Monday and it's expected that Rickey Henderson and possibly Jim Rice will get in. I'm gonna separate my votes into two different ballots, because I can, and because I don't take this stuff too seriously.
My "Keeping the Hall of Fame Standards At the Highest Levels" Ballot
Rickey Henderson, Bert Blyleven, Tim Raines
Rickey's a no-brainer and it helps that his rookie card was the prized possession of my rather pathetic baseball card collection as a kid. I've read enough arguments to convince me Blyleven is being screwed for playing in small markets and bad teams before the Internet and the explosion of media. Raines is in a similar situation, always second fiddle to Rickey Henderson among leadoff hitters and from playing in Montreal; but there wasn't a player I hated seeing more coming up against the Cubs in the 80's. And if you're wondering why I'd put Raines in over Dawson, it's because Raines out-WARP'd Dawson for most of their careers, including - by a a healthy margin - Dawson's 1987 MVP season.
My "There Are Much Worse Players Already In and These Guys Feel Like Hall of Famers" Ballot
Rickey Henderson, Bert Blyleven, Tim Raines, Andre Dawson, Alan Trammell, Lee Smith, Jim Rice
I explained myself on the first three, so let's take a look at the extra four I've included.
Alan Trammell - Again, another second fiddle - this time to Ozzie Smith... but an exceptional defender that was the best player on some very good 80's Tigers teams. Maybe if he did back flips when he ran on to the field.
Lee Smith - Led the league in saves four times and retired as the all-time leader before Trevor Hoffman and Mariano Rivera passed him by...neither of which led the league in saves as many times as Smith. I still can't forgive him for '84 though.
Jim Rice - Because Peter Gammons told me so...honestly, I have no feelings either way on Rice, but if Dawson is good enough, I think Rice is as well.
Andre Dawson - The player I'm sure most reading this article are concerned with and I think he's as borderline a candidate as there is out there. As I mentioned above, I always felt Tim Raines was the best player on the Expos when I was watching them...of course, I wasn't even 10 when most of that was happening. Dawson's Cubs career was better than I thought when you look at his stats, and I think I was burned by his rather awful 1989 playoff performance.
In the end, I think he has a lot of good reasons to be in the Hall of Fame, even if something like 400 HR's and 300 SB's is about the most ridiculous made-up cutoff out there. It's a very similar case to Ron Santo's, a player who never hit the big milestones like 3000 hits or 500 home runs, but dominated for a period of time, brought a lot with his defensive abilities that went unnoticed and had his career cut short by injuries (or in Santo's case diabetes). The reason I'm more adamant about Santo deserving a spot over Dawson is that no reasonable person could argue that Ron Santo wasn't one of the top 10 third basemen of all-time, while there's no reasonable person that could argue that Andre Dawson was one of the top 10 center fielders, top 10 right fielders or top 30 outfielders of all-time.
There's my thoughts, I'm sure others have their own and I would love to hear them in the comments.








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#1 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
what no Jesse Orosco?
...I hate listening to baseball talk (hosts and callers) where the universe is centered on NY (AL/NL) and/or Boston.
anyone notice that XM Home Plate radio has gone off that NY/Bos deep end at least on weekends (really getting to dislike Ed Randle and Casey Stern because of this, they are making Dibble listenable...well, not really.)
#2 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
MLB Network starting to get better.
Joe Migrane has to go though.
Always enjoyed Harold Reynold.
Rob G-
No Jay Bell love?
#3 MLB Network Cubs Program Alert
Tonight 7:00 pm central
Cubs Vs Pirates 4/21/91
Spoiler alert- it doesn't end well.
I will be watching Golden Globes with Chad and the Velvet Mafia.
#6 Re: MLB Network Cubs Program Alert
there's a jerome walton on my television.
ha.
there's also about 10 people at this PIT game (rain).
#9 Re: MLB Network Cubs Program Alert
lulz...erik pappas.
#11 Re: MLB Network Cubs Program Alert
After he retired he played on my 12" softball team.
#35 Re: MLB Network Cubs Program Alert
Was this the game where they set the record for bottom of the 9th comebacks?
#4 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
I love Andre, but I cannot quite get there with him. The .323 career OBP is an issue for me. I think he was better than Rice, who I would also not vote for, but who I think will be elected.
I agree pretty much with Rob G's first set of selections, except that I would also include Trammell. If I had to predict, though, it will just be Rickey and Rice tomorrow, one in his first year on the ballot and the other in his last possible year on the writers' ballot.
#5 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
bly is also not a favorite of sportswriters and he wasn't when he was a player, either.
i dunno what bothers me more...bly not being in or how low his %votes have been vs. what i think it should be.
#7 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
My HOF Ballot:
Ricky Henderson
Players deleted from HOF: Everyone but Babe Ruth, Honus Wagner, Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, Cy Young, Jimmy Foxx, Ted Williams, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Rogers Hornsby, Mickey Mantle, Josh Gibson, Jackie Robinson, Lou Gehrig, Warren Spahn, Stan Musial, Ernie Banks, and Bob Gibson.................and that's about it. The rest are all in the Hall of Very Good Baseball Players.
#13 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
I assume you were just making a point, but you essentially are saying there hasn't been a great baseball player in the last 30 years besides Rickey Henderson.
which - and I say this with all due respect - is fucking ridiculous.
#26 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
Yes, for the most part I am making a point that once you let in a Mazeroski, then where do you draw the line. Not to mention Whitey Ford and Gaylord Perry who were both doctors of the baseball. It seems like for most of the past 20 years, they elect at least someone so they can have a ceremony, and what the hell, he's got stats equal to or better than many HOF'ers anyway. I would have like to see the BBWAA set the bar a lot higher a long time ago.
Also, since the 1980's, how do we know who or who isn't on the juice?
#27 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
they should lock the doors and stop playing the game...
#28 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
Mmmm... hyperbole... *drools*
#31 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
As fans, we look at the HOF as some shrine that is to be revered and protected from inferior players. However, the truth is that the HOF is a privately owned business that makes its money by selling tickets and inducting new members. If you reserve the Hall for the greatest of the great, then you'll rarely have an induction ceremony and the HOF will lose all of the free publicity they get every year.
#33 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
They might have to start calling it the Hall Of Pretty Good soon.
#45 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
right now it's called the Hall of Fame, which doesn't even mean you have to be pretty good or even good
#54 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
Under that name, Jim Rice is less deserving than Anna Benson.
#70 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
I'd like to see her bust in the HOF
#75 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
Not a bad idea.
I think it's been everywhere else.
#17 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
Poor Lefty Grove and Christy Mathewson. Forever relegated to the Hall of Very Good Baseball Playesr. At least unlike their counterparts in the HOF, they'll have a catcher to throw to.
#18 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
Josh Gibson is going to need a day off now and then.
#8 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
TIm Raines is not a hall of famer.
#10 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
he's Chadball incarnate...
#12 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
Sure did play the game the right way. Had an 82% success rate stealing bases. Also had a career .500 OBP in the 8 spot. Only hit into 10 double plays in a season twice in his whole career.
All Chadball cornerstones. I'm putting Raines on my all-time Chadball team.
#14 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
he had a badass manly nickname, too...one so badass that it took over his 1st name on some ballcards in the 80s.
rock raines. not tim "rock" raines...just rock raines.
http://i16.ebayimg.com/05/i/001/0c/58/a065_1.JPG
#15 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
we finally got a solid third baseman, Gary Scott!
#16 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
...Shawn Boskie tomorrow night in St Louis
#19 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
I ♥ MLB Network.
seriously, im gonna go make babies with it n stuff.
btw, there is pure classic cubbery unfolding right now.
i dunno if paul ass-maker can hold onto this one.
#29 Re: My Hall of Fame Vote
Thom Brennaman doing the middle innings.
Did you hear him wish a happy Easter to a magical 3 year old in Florida who will in 20 years unite nations and cure the blind with his amazing college football ability?
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