Red Alert! Lou Says Something About the Lineup Order

I don't put much stock in what Lou says about the lineup order a month before the season, but he seemed to indicate that Kosuke Fukudome is in line to bat second after the outfielder dropped by camp today with Team Japan.

"He looks wonderful," Piniella said of Fukudome. "He's in really good
shape. I told him we're holding a spot for him, and we'll put him out
in center field and we'll try him in the No. 2 hole in the lineup. 



"We're going to try it initially with Soriano and Fukudome, one-two,
against right-handed pitching and see how that works," he said. "I
think that'll work quite well."

You have to assume that means Soriano, Fukudome, Lee, Bradley, Ramirez, Fontenot, Soto, Theriot, Pitcher, with the possibility of Soto and Fontenot getting flipped. You also have to assume that Lou will change his mind a dozen more times during the course of the season.


highest slugging regular with lowest ob% bats first...highest ob% bats 8th.

no manager would do that, but...fuck...


stacked talent #1...

ryan theriot will not have the highest ob% this season for the Cubs...

Lets put the cut off at 500 AB's because no one is gonna give two shits if Milton has a .400 OBP and only gets 300-400 AB's.

I am fairly confident Theriot can attain that, not so much about Milton.

wasn't really counting on Milton to be honest, but using the qualified for a batting title cut-off (which Milton did qualify for last year), I'm gonna guess at least 3-4 players are ahead of Theriot in OBP at the end of the year.

feel free to revisit it at the end of the year...

Of course he'll lead the team if that's the criteria you set. He's probably up against only Lee and Ramirez. Maybe Fukudome if he plays well.

Soto didn't get to 500 AB's last year. If we run away with the division, he won't again. Soriano will probably miss some time again.

The only other guy who did get to 500 is starting for the Indians this year.

just use qualified for the batting title, I believe it's 3.1 PA per games played by the team, usually comes out to 502 PA's unless any games end up not being made up.

I'd love to use that, but that wasn't what he said.

were you expecting something rationale?

rational, actually


Paul Bunyan never fought Rodan!

I prefer the British spelling...

I like it. Screw the L/R thing, though, and swap Fonteyes and Soto. Or just swap Lee with Soto and I'd be happy.

derrek lee batting 3rd will be death to this offense.

Get used to it:
Soriano - K (or HR).
Fukudome - Slap single.
Lee - DP.


I refuse to get used to it. Ever. You can't tell me what to do.

Do it! Like it.

ah TCR, so good to have baseball back.

Change that to:

Soriano - K or HR
Fukudome - K or BB
Lee - two out single or DP
Bradley - DH

... and I like it.

Lee should hit 6th or 7th. I'm ok with Fukie 2nd, would prefer him 1st...

If Lou bats Soto 7th, he's a fucktard. I bet he'll hit Ramirez 5th and Soto 6th, with Fonty and Theriot 7th and 8th respectively.

Personally, if this is what he wants to run with, I'd like to see Sori, Fuku, Ramirez, Bradley, Soto, Lee, Fontenot, Theriot, P.

Yeah, Lee needs to be moved the hell away from batting 3rd. He is no longer the team's best hitter.

Who else? Aramis?

Lee's .291 (behind only the Riot), 181 hits, 61 XBH beg to differ.

Granted he had far more at bats than anyone, but who else do you plug in there? Soriano would be an ideal 3 hitter I think, but that's not happening.

Ramirez I could buy, but then Lee is just 4th, so who cares?

Bradley I could live with. If he can repeat last year. Milton isn't too much more productive than Lee (higher average, fewer doubles, fewer GIDP's too)

DeRosa would be a great 3 hole hitter...oh...

I just don't see anyone else to plug in there besides Lee. He's a solid hitter. He'll never be back to '05 form, but no one else will be that player for the Cubs this season.

I really think that as long as the Cubs are throwing out convention and batting Soriano first, they might as well just do this and get their most threatening hitters as many at bats as possible:


I realize that won't happen for a variety of reasons (including having two lefties bat back-to-back 6th and 7th), but it gives you lots of power from 1-5 and OBP from 2-8, or at least OBP from 2-5. Lee makes plenty of sense as a number two hitter and the only thing you really miss in that lineup is power at the bottom of the order, though Fontenot's pop is just fine for 6th (if maybe below average). Again, Lou won't do this, but if it makes sense to bat Soriano leadoff then it makes sense to organize your lineup this way.

I agree that Lee makes some sense hitting 2nd... I don't think this lineup will happen, but it doesn't look bad to me.

kind of the lineup I've been pimping, although you may as well flip fukudome and and Theriot to try and keep the L/R balance...

out of the Lou suggested lineups, he should probably flip Lee and Ramirez in the 3 and 5 spots.

Agreed, Rob. This is a good looking lineup, if we get Bradley on the field regularly...

You dreamer!

Why does every lineup projection have Soto batting 7th/8th?

I've never seen Soto 8th, but Lou mentioned him batting 7th...I think he likes having a good hitter down there to set-up Soriano as well as be able to drive in the 5, 6 hitters....

"Lou mentioned him batting 7th"

To which I reply: WTF does Lou know?

It makes sense, I just would prefer him 5/6 rather than 7/8 (and I made the hitting 8 part up myself, just to be cutting edge, hoping someone elsewhere, at some point say, 'oh my, Soto may hit 8th' and I will finally have fulfillment in my life) (also that comma usage is horrible in the last sentence but who cares? I'm writing thoughts in parenthesis like it's no big deal. oh the beauty of the interwebs)

Too many good hitters, not enough prime lineup spots to put them in... not a bad dilemma to have!

I don't know what Lou has seen in Fuk to put him #2. Since I have no life, I've seen every game Japan played, and without looking at stats (to either make or break my argument) he's looked...average at best. Not really looking to swing, but just there to take pitches. I don't know, I want to love this guy (in a non-Chad way), but to let him hit 2nd? If he looks that good, why not just have him hit first (and TheRiot 2nd)?

...NO good will come of this one.


That's how I roll.

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