The Coste of Doing eBIS-ness?

The Cubs announced today that they will be placing catcher Geovany Soto on the 15-day DL with an oblique strain. Soto suffered the injury taking batting practice before Wednesday's game at Wrigley Field.

It appears that Soto's injury is worse than orginally thought, and he could be out until some time in August. And with the way oblique strains can affect a hitter, he might not be back even then.

I can't say this for sure, but I think it's fairly likely that the Cubs put in a waiver claim on C-1B-3B Chris Coste, who was placed on waivers by the Phillies on Wednesday. Jim Hendry must have been almost downright giddy when he saw Coste's name come through eBIS (MLB's in-house computer system) on the daily waiver list the very same day Soto went down with an injury, not because he was happy to lose Soto, but because he could have done a lot worse than acquire a Chris Coste for $20,000 (and no players!). That must be why the Cubs were waiting to place Soto on the DL. They expected (hoped) to acquire Coste Friday afternoon when the 47-hour waiver period expired, and they were just waiting for the announcement from the MLB office. Then they could add Coste to the roster tomorrow, and DL Soto retro to Wednesday. 

Unfortunately for the Cubs, Coste was also claimed by the Houston Astros, and because the Astros had a worse record (by 1/2 game) than the Cubs going into today's action, they win the waiver claim. 

Coste would have probably fit the bill perfectly for the Cubs. A short-term solution, true, but also a veteran right-handed hitting National League catcher with a decent bat and the versatility to play 1B and 3B who could share the load with Koyie Hill until Soto was ready to return to action. But perhaps the Astros knew that, too, and put in a claim just so the Cubs couldn't get him?  Did the Astros really need a third catcher, or were they merely trying to weaken a division rival by keeping the rival from acquiring a player they really needed? If so, maybe the Cubs shouldn't have said anything about Soto's injury until Coste's waiver ride was over. I mean, this isn't the NFL. MLB clubs do not have to report injuries to the media. And there actually was a good reason not to do so this time. .   

All of which puts the Cubs back to Square One...

They can either bring up a catcher from Iowa (probably Chris Robinson), or try and make a trade for a veteran catcher, which might take a while to execute. 

There were two positions on the 2009 Cubs that quite obviously lacked depth coming out of Spring Training (third-base and catcher), and both have been exposed. 


New camera and computer system to give true analysis of players


extremely cool.

Thanks AZ PHIL.

Wasn't there also a shortage of depth at the 2nd base position with DeRosa's trade?

Is Wellington Castillo an option?

Or - Jake Fox?

I'm glad they missed out on Coste. Just another crappy backup catcher and if the Phils were unloading him over Bako it tells you something (either he can't catch defensively or he can't hit or both). I'd rather give a few backup games to one of the kids in the system just so they get some mlb ambience...even if it's just to watch. Of course, if we're just need some nostalgic but crappy roster filler, I believe Rob Bowen was released by Oakland this spring.
the mlb trade rumors comments are ripe with stuff like this:

Shame. Coste was a feel good story for a few years, but he really hasn't brought anything to the table this season. At least he won a ring. Funny all this "Bako is even worse" stuff. Neither of them can hit a lick, granted, but at least Bako can catch a little bit. Coste is terrible behind the plate. Thus Bako staying, Coste going. Lesser of two non-contributors.

Don't know if this is 3/44, but the Braves picked up Ryan Church.

He won't be starting there would he?

Church probably will start vs. RHP for Atlanta. He has a very respectable line of .310/.360/.424 vs. RHP. Francouer was hitting .228 vs. RHP. They also have Matt Diaz who kills lefties, although he's not really a RF. Diaz is barely a LF.

I can see the attraction for Atlanta with Church, at least compared to how crappy the guy he is replacing has been, but why on earth would NY or any team want Francouer? He's making $3.375 million this season (but Church isn't underpaid by any means, getting $2.8 mil himself). I guess the Mets just viewed it as a change of scenery and hope Frenchy goes back to hitting a few hr's. His .280 obp. is just horrendous. .230-.250 with 10 hr's and 65-70 rbi's this season and last is pretty awful. Then again, those numbers look like an all-star compared to Bradley. Ouch.

franc goes through so many batting stances any given week...or game.

he's not cal ripken jr...not even close.

he's a mess at the plate.

Submitted by The E-Man on Fri, 07/10/2009 - 8:48pm.

Is Wellington Castillo an option?

Or - Jake Fox?


E-MAN: Long-term, Welington Castillo is the Cubs best catching prospect. Prior to this sesaon, his bat was ahead of his defense, but he has really turned his defense around this season, gunning down potential base-stealers and handling a young and inexperienced Tennessee Smokies pitching staff, unfortunately apparently at the expense of his hitting. But if he can put both his offense and defense together, he will play in the big leagues because he is the most talented of the young Cubs catchers. It's just that he isn't anywhere near ready for the big leagues now, nor will he probably be ready for MLB at the start of the 2010 season, either. Best case is that he has a good 2010 Spring Training, opens the eyes of the Cubs manager and coaches, goes to Iowa, and puts together a solid season behind the plate AND at bat in AAA.

As for Jake Fox, his problems as a catcher are bsically two areas. One, he lacks any semblance of receiving skills, and two, he has a scatter-gun arm. Also, his poor defensive play behind the plate seemed to affect his hitting, such that once he was moved to 1B, he developed into the dangerous hitter you see now. That said, Fox actually enjoys catching, and fancies himself a catcher. He just isn't any good at it.

Fox actually had his breakout year playing Catcher and DH in 2006.

I think Coste has a similar skill set defensively, but less bat.

Soto on the DL? That sucks, but not like he was contributing anything anyways, so no huge loss. Not sure how this season can get much worse. Who would have thunk that this team would be in 5th place and under .500 on July 11? Team just has too many holes and also the players they do have are underperforming.

It will be interesting to see when fans start really turning on Lou.

Oh yeah, sorry for posting when the team lost. If I waited until they won again, it might be awhile.

GO Cubs!

I honestly feel the fans will not turn on Lou. He's the "old Uncle", and everyone has one of those...

I think the press will eventually fry him though. Especially when he chooses to leave in Aaron Heilman like he did today.

Imo, he will go away after what will in all liklihood be a disappointing and dismal season.

I don't know what the hell Lou was thinking with the Heilman move today. We were in the game, even after Mayo Boy showed he had nothing, and then Lou did his Gene Lamont impression and fell asleep.

and then Lou did his Gene Lamont impression and fell asleep.
I hate Heilman. Ol' Miracle Whipboy.

...but I loved your description of Lou, who's managing of a one run deficit in a 4-3 game was horrible.

The only logical scenerio to explain Lou's non-action is that he was sending a message to Hendry to show him how badly he's screwed up this teams roster.

After the typical Heilman start with a single and a walk (and Pujols coming up), it was time to go to the bullpen. Instead he sends Rothschild out for a visit after Mayoboy walks Pujols and the bags loaded. OK, so walking Pujols isn't a bad strategy but I'm not thinking it was intentional until the 4th ball. LR must of given excellent advice to Miracle Whipboy, as Ludwig rocketed a single to Soriano (that was the play where Pujols was safe at 3rd as ARam had trouble handling Soriano's throw and Ludwig took 2nd on the play)

Heilman always starts out with a single and a walk. POS.

On a calmer note, Jeff Stevens had a nice 1-2-3 introduction to the majors.

To be fair, the game was over before Heilman even got the ball.

I agree I think this might be Lou's last season, especially if they continue their disappointing season. And sorry for repeating myself, but I just hope they don't let Hendry pick the next manager. I don't want anymore of his greasy fingerprints on this organization.

Padres have had only one baserunner, by an error, through 8.

Also Pablo was taken out of the game. Uribe goes to 3rd and gives up the error. Good work.

Holy fuck. Great catch by Rowand at the wall.

Ryan Church traded for Jeff Francouer...

Its gonna make them too "left Handed".

Wasn't Church talked about on TCR as a "pre-Bradley" LH solution?

With the Cubs apparently swinging & missing on the Chris Coste waiver claim, I suspect Hendry will next go after Kelly Shoppach (CLE) via trade.

I suspect Hendry will next go after Kelly Shoppach (CLE) via trade.
Here's a Cleveland Plain-Dealer blurb on Shoppach:

Kelly Shoppach may be another player who's being shopped. He'll make at least $3 million next year, expensive for a catcher who entered Friday's game hitting .199. If the Indians keep Victor Martinez, they could use Wyatt Toregas, playing well at Class AAA Columbus, as a more cost-efficient backup.

Shoppach .194/.323/.374/.697
Hank Blanco .218/.301/.373/.674
Coste .245/.342/.382/.724
Bako .200/.273/.250/.523
KHill .240/.337/.360/.578

Hendry has really developed a brown thumb. At $3M, Shopach is Hank White redux. Even Hank became a cheaper option this year. They were overpaying for Blanco even though he was a decent backup but it could be logic-ed out because Soto as a rookie could have been a bust. Nobody is saying much about Henry Blanco's absence this year and I'm OK with Koyie Hill as the backup catcher. Being stuck with two no-hit backup catchers makes no sense to me, certainly when one has a big price tag.

Ah for the days of a Rob Bowen, Koyie Hill tandem. Oops, sorry that sucked too but at least the rest of the team could hit. Then Hendry reached out and got Jason Kendall when he had Soto having his monster year at Iowa right under his nose. Never could understand that.

For the nameless players whose stats I listed above, I'd much prefer Chris Robinson get a look see to help out Koyie Hill. Hell, we've used most of the Iowa roster so far this year and for the most part the youngsters have been decent (Fuld, Fox, Wells, ABlanco, Hart, Scales, Stevens, Ascanio). Compare them to the crap Hendry loaded the roster with veteran wise in the offseason (Miles, Gathright, Freel, Baker and Heilman). Robinson at least will be on the PCL all-star team with his Iowa line at .317/.322/.429/.752, just teach him to take a walk every now and then.

Hendry has really developed a brown thumb.

Lets not attack Hendry for getting Shoppach until he actually does it.

It is AZ Phil's speculation, which isn't based on anything other than a guess.

Also - to only look at Shoppach's 2009 numbers is very short-sighted.

Agreed, Shoppach had been a decent catcher until this year. He's not all-star caliber, put he would pose an improvement over Hill once Soto returns, if Shoppach starts hitting again. But I can certainly understand the frustration if they are thinking of trading for a $2 million player hitting .199.

I don't want to speak for Cubster, but my take was that he is not saying Hendry has a brown thumb because of any possible Shoppach move. He has earned that handle in multitude of ways.

Sam Fuld was taken out in the fourth inning last night. My guess he is the one coming up today. Jake Fox, dont forget to bring your catchers mitt to the park today.

We could always look at the glass being half full, as we
hopefully wont see heilmann today after fridays pitchcount.

I would think Clevenger is more likely to hit, based on his minor league numbers. Interestingly, they both have reverse batting splits in Iowa this year. Clevenger the lefty hitter's OPS is .258 higher against lefties, and Robinson is hitting .048 better against righties.

I like to do this comparision from time to time. The player we should have signed versus the player we should have never signed.

Bobby Abreu currently has a line of:

.306 BA, .406 OBP, 6 HR, 54 RBI, 46 runs, 19 SB's.


.236 BA, .365 OBP, 6 HR, 19 RBI, 27 runs, 0 SB's.

Awww but Abreu was old boring Mr. Reliable, we had to go with the Ferrari that is always broken.

Abreu was never in the picture. But LOU wanted IBANEZ. Hendry vetoed that and signed Bradley instead. The relationship between Piniella and Hendry hasn't been the same since.

Frankly, when you go down the list of players Lou wanted and didn't get right away because Hendry didn't like them (Jake Fox is an example) it becomes clear that Hendry is what's wrong with the Cubs.

are you on crack again?

Incidentally, Coste also becomes the Cub's second-best hitter.


Hey, by the way, very cool link, jacos. That could really take baseball stats and analysis to the next level.

Fuld called up, confirmation on Bruce Levine's talkin' baseball show (ESPN 1000)

I am happy Fuld is back up. I know it was only a couple of games, but the Cubs were just different with him in LF (diffent meaning better).

Maybe we can trade Soriano and/or Bradley for a back-up catcher.

And..............I guess "Moneyball" is back "on", ROB G?

Aaron Sorkin now will re-write.

That means the script will feature lots of fast talking and people stepping on each others lines.

Gordon Eades of Yahoo sports has a blurb on the Cubs possibly being in on Pirate 2B Freddy Sanchez:

Pirates and trade winds: Freddy Sanchez(notes) was in the Pittsburgh Pirates’ lineup Friday night, putting to rest any thought that the second baseman would be traded in the next 24 hours. The Giants remain the team showing the most interest, according to one source with direct knowledge of the negotiations, while the Twins appear to be more of a long shot. There’s a third team involved from the National League Central, the source said (the Cubs?), although Sanchez’s contract, which calls for his $8 million option in 2010 to kick in automatically if he reaches 635 plate appearances this season, is giving pause to his suitors.

Just don't see how we can afford it. Maybe this year, but next year's payroll is already a mess.

This is weird and hugely anecdotal, but here goes. During the last series with the Pirates, I was listening to the games on the radio because my cable was out. During the third game, I noticed that all three announcers -- Hughes, Santo, and Sirott -- all took time out to praise Sanchez, and all of them called him "Freddy." "Freddy said he's just trying to make up for not driving in runners the other night," "Freddy's the kind of ballplayer who gives you his all every day," etc. Sirott said he based his comments on a chat he had with Sanchez before the game.

I don't mean to make too much of it, but it just sounded odd, and it made me wonder if the Cubs had a Sanchez trade in the works. I guess we'll see, although I agree he seems pricey.

the game was over before Heilman even got the ball.
I completely disagree with the above. Heilman turned a one run game into a blowout. It was a 4-3 game in the 5th after the Pujols solo HR. The Cubs had runners in scoring position in the 5th, 8th and 9th. Even though we all know the offense still sucks goose eggs but it wasn't game over if Miracle Whipboy doesn't blow his cookies over the mound.

Bah, I'm not trying to stoke up an argument, but this lineup is shit. You have Soriano and Milton Bradley combining for $23 million dollars this year and hitting like little girls and Soriano trotting around in the outfield like he doesn't want to fucking be there. His ass would be on the bench if it were up to me, and he'd be there until I saw some fire. These two guys are fucking ridiculous.

Maybe they're pressing, maybe they aren't... who knows, and to be honest, it's not our place to figure it out. They're being paid millions of dollars to figure the shit out on their own. I'm so god damned tired of the attitude.

You have thousands and thousands of fans show up, every day, rain or fucking sunshine and pay good god damn money to watch these guys play baseball, but instead they play vagina ball and complain about the god damned media or umpires. Try swinging the bat like you got a pair, or are your titties in the way?

Shut the fuck up Soriano. Shut the fuck up Bradley. Put your head down and do your god damned job. If you can't take the pressure fucking quit and mow lawns.

I dunno Cubster, everytime I add the Cubs runs up they still only total 3. And I don't buy the argument that this team's offense gets turned on if they're only trailing by a run.

Freddy fits the new game plan of getting more right handed

Submitted by Cubster on Sat, 07/11/2009 - 8:44am.
Here's a Cleveland Plain-Dealer blurb on Shoppach:

Kelly Shoppach may be another player who's being shopped. He'll make at least $3 million next year, expensive for a catcher who entered Friday's game hitting .199. If the Indians keep Victor Martinez, they could use Wyatt Toregas, playing well at Class AAA Columbus, as a more cost-efficient backup.


CUBSTER: Kelly Shoppach isn't owed $3M next year. He is eligible for arbitration, though, but I doubt that he would get $3M. He got a $1.9M+ deal for 2009 (his first year of arbitration) only because he was coming off a 2008 campaign where he hit 261/348/517 with 21 HR, but he's having a terrible year in '09 (of course so was Soto until about a month ago), so he will be lucky to get even $2M next year, presuming he is even tendered on 12/12.

If the Cubs were to acquire Shoppach (and I do suspect that he will be Hendry's primary target over the next few days), it would probably cost them somebody like Jose Ascanio, who will be out of minor league options next season.

Also, Shoppach has one minor league option left, so if Soto comes back before September 1st, the Cubs could option Shoppach to Iowa until the rosters expand on 9/1. Then Shoppach could be recalled and be the Cubs 3rd catcher at that time.

With a little less than a half-season remaining in the 2009 season, Shoppach is still owed about $950K, so it wouldn't bust the Cubs payroll to acquire him at this time.

Ascanio seems a bit on the low side for Shoppach. I'm not the biggest fan of his, but Kelly calls a good game and has some ridiculously bad luck this year. A lot of people seem quite high on him. He's got enough bat to be a decent starter, and with several teams that could look for a catching upgrade/complement, I'd be surprised if that's all it took to land Kelly. If it's Ascanio, I think I'd do it, because I think Kelly could be summarily flipped for something perhaps more useful if we wanted, or some higher upside kids lower in the minors. I like Ascanio a lot, and had hopes he could help settle the pen this year, but we have a lot, a lot of pen righty types in the minors, and if that's all it took, I think I would take the plunge. I'd prefer Kelly to Koyie as our backup, but we want a lefty. Maybe Jose becomes a dominant late inning arm, but I'd take the gamble if that was the cost.

going to the game today and I like to check the inside the park web came that used to be on true look to time my entrance. Seems they took it down. Does anyone have a link to a web cam showing the bleachers?

I just hope the game is on TV.

Yeah, Ryno! Say it again! Sometimes I feel like I'm rooting for something that doesn't exist any longer. Don't you just wish they all hustled like you did in Little League?

Fukudome cf

Theriot ss

Lee 1b

Ramirez 3b

Soriano lf

Bradley rf

Baker 2b

Hill c

Lilly p

So,How has LOU been managing the lineup the first half?

Short answer: At first blush, it looks like he's loaded what hitting he's got into the #4 #5 and #6 slots and left a black hole at #3 --but Derrek Lee is the culprit, having gone .194 .250 .378 .628 there this season. Lou moved him to #4 and he's responded with a line of .329 .415 .595 1.010 .

Bradley has been better, .299 .378 .414 .792 hitting third.
Fukudome is .259 .413 .384 .797 there.

Cubs OPS and NL rank by batting order position

#1 .718 9th (mostly Soriano of course)
#2 .766 8th
#3 .718 15th (absolute disaster)
#4 .914 2nd (surprised?!)
#5 .805 6th
#6 .787 5th
#7 .649 13th (big drop off here from last year's .885 1st)
#8 .651 12th (.781 2nd last year)
#9 .449 12th (.584 3rd last year)

So once again FOX has planned my day. I was debating between home repairs and the Cubs game. Yankees-Angels on TV, Cubs blacked out...guess I'm repainting the cabinets. Fuck you FOX. I'm not watching your sponsors.

Fox can eat an entire bag of dicks.

Actually, Andrew Zimmern from Bizzarre Foods WOULD eat a bag of testicles.

We should start a boycott of ALL games on FOX. Hard to do, I know, but it's getting ridiculous. I pay MLB for my subscription. Fox pays MLB for the game rights. I get shafted. With enough signatures, maybe they'd listen.

this only works if you know people who are nielsen registered viewers. i am not. so what i watch is quite inconsequential

Fair enough. I wasn't personally going to start a boycott, because I'm too lazy. But a gigantic petition with 20 names or so saying they weren't going to watch with the current blackout rules might get something done.

One difference between Tony and Lou:

Bottom of the 4th Cubs have Bradley and Baker on 1st and 2nd. No outs.

Hill up.

Tony: Sac bunt movimg runners to 2nd and third with pitcher coming up and only one out. Meaning top of the ordee gets a chance for a knock.

Lou: Hill swings away ellicitimg a sharply hit made to order 3-4-3 DP.

Puttimg Lilly in a spot where he as to drive in a run.

You are right. That is a difference. And Lou made the right decision, and Tony would have made the wrong decision.

Yeah, its frustrating, but I'd have to agree. -Sucks given the result, but you have to let Hill swing away in that situation.

Actually, I think that Hill a .332 OBP which is better than a few starters. I dont know what his RISP is, but it seems like he's had more than a few big hits.

It should be noted that had Tony been managing, Ted Lilly would have been up at that point instead of Koyie Hill. A bunt would have been the logical move with Ted Lilly.

LaRussa doesn't always do that. Nor is it a given that Hill, who runs like a catcher successfully sacrifices the guys over.

here's a stat for you...Cards at 48-41

Cardinals in April 17-7

Since then they are 3 games under .500, 31-34

Some crappy division.

Not only that, but the Cubs are still just one game back in the loss column.

It is pretty strange that the Cardinals have played 5 more games than the Cubs at this point.

It is very weird that there is such a big game differential between the teams. And being only 1 back in the loss column does give us Cubs fans hope, but then when you actually watch this team that hope flies out the window. Tough to think this team will play good enough to outperform the other 4 teams ahead of them in the division the rest of the way. But at least this years Cubs June Swoon hasn't put a nail in the coffin, there is still a chance.

Oh sorry, the Cubs won today and I have posted twice. How did that happen...:)

Go Cubs!

Even though everyone points to their slim lead in the loss column, playing 5 more games than the team you're chasing in the second half probably isn't a good thing.


jockety (reds gm) is on the broadcast doing a spot with the CIN announcers...they were "1 of 3" in the final derosa hunt and CLE was pretty much solely looking young pitching.

So what happened with Derrek Lee anyways?

Neck spasms. Day to day.

You don't get a brown thumb unless a lot of plants die under your watch

i.e. I've got such a brown thumb i could kill a silk flower

or... The 2008-9 offseason turned what was a very green thumb brown

In usage:

Cub fan #1: "That Hendry sure does have a brown thumb..."
Cub Fan #2: "Do you mean a lack of skill in putting together the roster, or does Jimmy just have his thumb up his ass again?"

Apologies to the parachaters for my abrupt disappearance. It wasn't a one run or an eight run win, but I think Andy and I will take it.

Good move by Lou to go get Marmol today -- blowing a 4-run lead would probbaly have been fatal.

Marmol and Soriano are emblematic of Hendry's Cubs -- loads of talent, but no mental discipline, and neither has a clue about the stike zone.

Good move by Lou to go get Marmol today -- blowing a 4-run lead would probbaly have been fatal.

Marmol and Soriano are emblematic of Hendry's Cubs -- loads of talent, but no mental discipline, and neither has a clue about the stike zone.

Sorry for the double..

i would think that koyie hill pretty much does double duty sunday which is okay,but what sucks is that pretty much
takes fox out of any chance to play in either game.

According to Musket Fox is going to start a game.

not the most attractive item in the world, but for a "cheap" backup eric munson is lingering in OAK's AAA...still...that's m.barrett-ish quality D.

he doesn't seem like the type who would mind riding pine, though, and landon powell can barely find ABs while eatting up their 25th roster spot trying to find an occasional pinch hit.

perhaps is jazzed up; the upper right hand box here shows 7:05 ct start time. as though there were no noon game today.

going into this series, looking at the pitching matchups, i fully expected the first 2 games to be split. today's action will be determined by which zambrano shows up, and whether wells can out-wainwright wainwright. i'm guessing another split is in store, and actually have more faith in wells than in zambrano.

maybe hoff gets one start at 1b and fox the other?
and here's hoping fuld gets one start in lf.

Reds of Jay Bruce out with a broken wrist (link includes video of injury)
Bruce was attempting a sliding catch of David Wright's fly ball to short right field when his gloved right hand jammed hard into the grass and bent fully backwards. Although he nearly made the catch, the ball dropped and Wright had a single.

Immediately, Bruce grabbed his wrist in obvious pain.

"It hurt pretty bad," said Bruce after the game, his right arm in a wrap. "I was in some pretty bad pain.

Tribune/Sullivan piece on Hendry/Piniella's relationship still being good

backups for the backup catcher?:

"Actually, our third catcher is [pitcher Randy] Wells," Piniella said. "Naw, we wouldn't do that."

The other possibility is reliever Carlos Marmol, a converted catcher.

"No chance," Marmol said. "The last time I caught was '02, I think." No way."
DLee update:

"I'm good, I'll be in the lineup [Sunday]," Lee insisted after the 5-2 victory over the Cardinals. "It was just a tweak ... not even close to last time.

"That's why I came out, just to keep it from getting bad."

Lee's latest run-in with the problem came when he slid awkwardly into second base with a fifth-inning double.

Ron Santo is recovering from a kidney infection that sent him home from Friday's game. Santo was to be released from the hospital Saturday and will miss the doubleheader today, but he's expected to rejoin the team Thursday in Washington.

I wish he'd retire.

I noticed Blake Parker got his 10th save at Iowa yesterday. Looks like he walks too many but has 28K's in 23 IP. Az Phil (and others who's seen him), what's your take on BP as a prospect?

He's a catcher-turned-pitcher. That never works

Cubs-Cards splitting this series would be kind of annoying.

I am not going to bother to look it up, but after following baseball for 43 years, I'd take a guess the the probability for a split is high.

This would be a good thing for the Cardinals.

I wonder if Brayan Pena could be a stop gap catcher. The Royals owe us a player for Free.

Freel that is.............

I think the orioles are almost out of time to send a player
for the rich hill trade unless i missed something.

Felix Pie: .234 .299 .355

The trade was made on February 2nd, I believe they have to complete it within 6 months, so August 2nd. Hill being a POS for the O's isn't going to get us any decent return though.

per Schuster at wscr...

Fukudome, Theriot, Soriano, Hoffpauir (IB), Fox (3B), Bradley, Baker (2B), Hill, Z

Wow never would have guessed that,the paper bag lineup that Lou pulled out.

Other Ex-Cub 1st Half Stats:

Rich Hill: 7.43ERA, 3-2 1.80WHIP

Jerry Hairston, .258 .310 .396

Ronny Cedeno, .152 .209 .283

Garret Olson, 4.42 ERA, 3-2, 1.19WHIP

Ricky Nolasco, 5.76ERA, 6-7, 1.39WHIP

Bobby Howry, 3.48ERA, 0-4, 1.226WHIP

Scott Eyre is Broke, 2.40ERA, 1-1, 1.40WHIP

Henry Blanco, DL

Jason Kendall, .233 .323 .277

Casey McGehee, .321 .374 .537 .911

Who guessed McGehee over Nolasco?

Cedeno has been given the starting SS gig for Seattle.

Rob G. the site's clock is fast by 5 minutes. I just said I posted at 12:03pm when it's really 11:58am. WGN here hasn't finished showing their shitty wrestling and gone to Wrigley yet.

If anyone watches on WGN TV today, notice that Keith Moreland's voice sounds very much like Tim MF'ing McCarver, except he doesn't say all the delusional crap.

Zambrano looking pretty good in first inning. Rasmus hit one really hard to the warning track, but didn't look like a terrible pitch.


That's some great camerawork there. Fukudome at bat...close up of an Asian kid in the stands. Beautiful.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to ignore anyone in parachat... my wife wanted on the computer.

In other news, anyone know a good divorce lawyer?

Much cheaper: or if you live in a lucky area www.fry'

Well half way to the maximum gain, and the Brewers are losing too. Wainright is going to be tough in the second game, but if there is one thing this team is due for is beating a good pitcher finally.

E-Man...nice list

here's one more:

M Wuertz who got a win today

5-1, 2.95

Thanks CUBSTER. Forgot about him, and many others I'm sure.

We could use Wurertz for sure on this team.

Wuertz and Rothschild not so successful a partnership.

Sort of like Marmol and Rothschild.

Or Zambrano and Rothschild.

I'm sure there are a lot of success stories involving Rothschild and Cub pitchers, I just can't think of any.

Marmol had two excellent seasons under Rothschild's tutelage. Dempster has two career years under Rothschild. Marquis lowered his ERA a point an a half under Rothschild. Kerry Wood and Dempster successfully converted to closer roles under Rotschild. Lilly went from a #3 to a #2 starter under Rotschild. Marshall made the jump from A ball to the majors under Rotschild. Guzman has become an effective major league pitcher under Rothschild.

Those are just off the top of my head.

Game 2 vs. Wainright:

Fuld CF

Theriot SS

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Soriano LF

Bradley RF

Baker 2B

Hill C

Wells P

Lou is rightfully down on Fontenot lately, choosing Baker to go vs. some rhp even though his career splits vs righties aren't very good.

Re: Fontenot: If you are swinging the bat, he's gonna play you (unless there is no choice). I was thinking he'd start Blanco at SS Game 2, but this is another example of that. Just can't hit unfortunately.

I wish he'd keep Soriano in the 6-hole. He has done pretty well there so far, and Bradley is brutal as a LH hitter.

Wainright is a bitch.

Fontenot, Baker and Blanco as your options. How can you go wrong?

I'd poo-poo that notion

(not a stl #5 reference)

Cubster, you left out an "s" in your tagline.

Keith Moreland did play by play for Brenly on Friday and today. I heard a couple innings of him he sounded good.

Stick him on radio and tell Ron to stay home and relax.

i heard him say "uh" at least 10,000 times while calling the game friday.

his words were good, but his delivery was stuttered.

I liked him. He actually lent some insight to the game which I haven't heard Brenly do in at least two years, which was nice. Plus I finally learned where the nickname "Zonk" came from.

Plus I finally learned where the nickname "Zonk" came from.


This is the story as I heard it (I AM NOT QUOTING PER BATIM FOR REAL NEAL'S BENEFIT):

In ST during early in his Cub's career, they guys were playing football in a swimming pool. It was a "tackle game" whereby a player was considered "down" when they were brought under water.

Larry Csonka was "The Man" as far as running backs at the time for the Dolphins and had a reputation for not being easily tackled. Moreland was equally unable to be brought down in the pool and his teammates started calling him Zonk in tribute to the Miami Dolphin's star!

Thank, E-Man!

I would have never have guessed.

Sorry, didn't realize your 'and' was asking for the story.

Moreland has radio experience doing color commentary for the University of Texas, where I remember him doing both baseball and football. I remember he was just fine in the booth, and was thrilled when I learned it was the same Keith Moreland I was hoping it would be (and not some other dude named Keith Moreland).

Also-- I'm calling it: Jeff Baker goes deep.

I haven't had a Castro or Vitters sighting in the Futures game.

Castro is in at 2nd. Made a nice play and got a big compliment from announcers (Suttcliff?)

I played it back on the DVR and the ball was hit sharply to Castro's right and hopped about 4-5 feet in front of him. The ball roped in and played closer to his body than he anticipated, but he turned his body away from the play (sort of shielding his body) and made a clean backhanded pick. Made it look easy. Let's see him hit!

Vitters now in at 3rd

Vitters tags out a runner stealing third. Perfect throw by the catcher. Vitters caught the ball and moved his glove straight down about 6" to tag out Durango (?) stealing.

Vitters leading off the bottom of the 5th. Waiting for Erin Andrews to finish interviewing Jose Oquendo (take it off!!) . First pitch grounded straight back to the pitcher. 1-3.
Not hit really hard, but not a weakly hit ball either

Vitters up again.
takes ball 1 low and away
takes ball 2 breaking ball in the dirt, runner takes third on the play
missing the pujols at bat against wells with two on
takes ball 3 low and awway
wells 2-2 on #5
takes ball 4 low for a walk
wells gets pujols to GIDP
ludwick 2R HR

Castro due up 2nd in the top of the 7th.
Brett Lawrie (Brewers) doubles to lead it off. Castro up
fouls off the first pitch
has an upright stance, kind of shows his back to the pitcher
ball 1 low
castro is only 19?
beats out dribbler toward third

Castro on 2nd base, Alcides Escobar (Brewers) at the plate. Bloops a single into shallow center, SS tries to make a backhanded play at it and kind of knocks the ball away with his glove. Castro takes home easily on the play. Heads up baserunning

futures game over after seven
my dream of breaking the record for consecutive replies is thwarted

Thwarted now, and you didn't finish the Vitters PA.

he only had two plate appearances

Submitted by Hagsag on Sun, 07/12/2009 - 9:40am.
I wonder if Brayan Pena could be a stop gap catcher. The Royals owe us a player for Free.


HAGSAG: A PTBNL cannot be on an MLB regular season Active List (25-man roster) at any time between when a trade is announced and when the PTBNL is named. A PTBNL can be on a 40-man roster, though, as long as he is on Optional Assignment to the minors or on the 15-day or 60-day DL, but once he goes active on the 25, he can't be a PTBNL.

If you remember, the Cubs were owed a PTBNL from the Craig Monroe trade post-2007, and the player was supposed to be Rule 5 RHP Tim Lahey. Unfortunately (not that it matters now), Lahey was claimed off waivers by the Phillies at the end of Spring Training 2008, and was on the Phils' 2008 Opening Day 25-man roster roster, meaning Lahey could not be the PTBNL in the Craig Monroe trade even after Lahey was later returned to the Twins. That's why the Cubs ended up with Doug Deeds instead.

Prior to the advent of interleague play, a PTBNL could be on a regular season 25-man roster of a team in the other league, but not any more.

In the case of the Rich Hill deal, I believe the PTBNL was probably "satisfied" as part of the Joey Gathright for Ryan Freel trade, where the Orioles picked up most of Freel's salary.

Cash (usually $20,000) is sometimes accepted in lieu of a player when a PTBNL is involved, and the club can then either pocket the $20K, or else use the cash to claim a player off waivers at some later time.

Most minor league players traded for a PTBNL are really traded for "future considerations," meaning either an organizational player (roster filler) who fills a need on a minor league club, or (more likely) a nominal cash settlement. And sometimes just assuming a minor league player's contract is enough to make a deal happen, especially if it involves a player with no upside ("roster filler").

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  • video of Maddon.

    always nice that he actually tries to honestly answer questions. Does mention that he wanted to give Zastr? a chance in a meaningful spot rather than a mop-up role.

    Rob G. 6 hours 30 min ago view
  • from Muskat:

    #Cubs Maddon: "I'm not going to make up an excuse for why I did what I did. It has nothing to do with lack of confidence" ... "It was the right thing to do today based on what I saw, what their lineup looked like and Rob Z.'s availability." #Cubs

    Rob G. 6 hours 36 min ago view

    Hammel not particularly understanding of getting pulled he should. Be curious what Maddon had to say. All I can think of is is keeping arms fresh and maybe wanting to see if Zastr? is worth considering for the playoffs and how he'd do against the Dodgers.

    Rob G. 6 hours 41 min ago view
  • great defense

    Heyward, Russell, Baez, Bryant, Ross in particular...although Bryant's a bit hard to judge with all the positions.

    Fowler and Rizzo in the top half of the NL for their positions as well (per fangraphs)...Zobrist right at the halfway cutoff for 2b in the NL.

    I'm sure some luck is involved too, but the Cubs and Maddon knew what they were doing.

    Rob G. 6 hours 52 min ago view
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    Craig A. 7 hours 4 min ago view
  • #Cubs plummet to 19-5 in August.

    Fun with FIP

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    • J. Arrieta     2.62 ERA/3.05 FIP (2.35 FIP last year)
    • J. Lester     2.81 ERA/3.67 FIP (2.92 FIP last year)
    • K. Hendricks  2.19 ERA/3.37 FIP (3.36 FIP last year)
    • J. Lackey     3.41 ERA/3.72 FIP (3.57 FIP last year with Cards)
    Rob G. 7 hours 29 min ago view
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    crunch 8 hours 9 min ago view
  • JD's take was just trying to get in a lefty to better deal with mostly lefty Dodgers lineup.

    My second thought was what you came up with. My first thought was he was trying to light a fire under Hammel.

    Jackstraw 9 hours 21 min ago view
  • Maybe he was trying to spare him another brutal road start? NY, Colorado...

    billybucks 9 hours 38 min ago view
  • joe got a pitcher up for hammel at nearly the 1st sign of trouble in the 3rd...pulled after 2.1

    not injured and though it wasn't his day so far he wasn't looking like a pure disaster.

    really short leash on him. zastryznzryzryny in.

    crunch 9 hours 42 min ago view
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    Eric S 10 hours 27 min ago view
  • Classic Scully - great stuff.

    Thank God we'll still have Hawk next season. (cricket cricket cricket)

    Eric S 15 hours 18 min ago view
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    "And it's a long fly ball, a mean fly ball, and a gone fly ball."

    VirginiaPhil 16 hours 32 min ago view
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    VirginiaPhil 16 hours 35 min ago view
  • If only he was clutcher. More clutcher.

    Jackstraw 17 hours 54 min ago view
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    crunch 1 day 1 hour ago view