Disabled List Welcomes Yet Another Cub

As expected, Carlos Zambrano will be placed on the disabled list with recurring back spasms. It'll be back-dated to August 2nd though and he could return as soon as August 17th. If he can return by the 17th, it would mean just one start would need to be covered on Wednesday, August 12th versus the Phillies. Jeff Stevens is being recalled to take Z's roster spot, and it appears that Jeff Samardzija is the clubhouse leader to take the start on Wednesday. The Phillies of course feature lefties Ryan Howard, Chase Utley and Raul Ibanez, but their overall team OPS versus lefties and righties is about the same.

On the flip side, Ted Lilly felt good after a bullpen session and should be back sooner, rather than later. They haven't put a timetable yet on it, but it seems reasonable he could be back within a week.

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Who'd you'd rather have coming out of the pen to face a tough lefty right now, Marshall or Gaub? And who would you rather have pitching 5-6 innings in a single game for you right now, Samardzija or Marshall?

I really would've supported a Gaub up, Marshall to the rotation move, for at least this week.

I think that the difference between Smardipants and Marshall is likely to be very small as starters, and Gaub isn't on the 40 man yet, and Stevens has shown he's not useless.

is gaub even throwing 90mph yet?

he used to throw mid-90s, but worked high 80s afterwards for years after shredding his shoulder. he's got a slider, too. meh...a slower-tossing lefty marmol.

As in a slower tossing John Rocker at the end of his career? Crap.

Should we go after Wagner?

With a show of hands, who here would welcome a move for Billy Wagner (who is approximately 4 minor league appearances away from a MLB return after Tommy John surgery). I would take him - even throwing right handed - over Gregg.

cubs got what it takes to get wagner?

btw, wagner used to throw right handed til his teens. he switched to throwing lefty because of soreness/injury. looks like he made a good decision and found something special in that lefty arm.

Gladly...but I also wonder whether we would want to give up marquee prospects for him.

That said, if they are interested in a Fontenot/Miles package...

perfect.

Riot MB Lee Ram Fuku Sori Soto Miles Demp

interesting...at least miles and soto in more proper places.

Give me:

Fuku Theriot Lee Ram Fox Soriano Soto (crappy 2nd baseman of choice) SP

I know Bradley is great at walking but sometimes you actually need to put the bat on the ball and make something happen by getting a hit. He never does in situations like that. Time to play him against lefties only.

No reason to take Fuku out of the leadoff spot. Ever.

Good call there Pat (Bradley with the game winning RBI last night). Today say he never hits two HR's in a game, please.

Lou on pregame said Shark will get start Wed vs Phils.

a 2-pitch "both fastball" pitcher vs. the phillies lineup? okay, sure.

I see opportunity.

Take the over on runs scored.

Ramirez left game early with left shoulder soreness...

ruh roh..

Hope the Ramirez thing isn't serious...the way things are going though who knows.

This win was at least huge, win 1 of the next 2 and I'll be happy enough although they might be looking at being a game and a half out of first.

The Pirates actually have a decent shot tomorrow with Duke going vs Piniero its the one game of the series I think they have a good shot to win.

...ruh roh
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Comcast showed the replay on where ARam seemed to have onset of left shoulder soreness. It was the single to left in the 3rd by Quintanilla. ARam had his glove outstretched as the ball went over his glove and quickly pulled his left arm down with a grimace...but stayed in the game for 2 more at bats ( K in the 4th, GO in the 5th). Len/Bob noticed the incident and kept commenting that he looked like the shoulder was bothering him, even before they took ARam out of the game.

Hard to say if it's going to be more than a one game issue but I'd expect Fox/Baker to be at 3B tomorrow.

Left shoulder soreness is far less of a concern than right shoulder soreness, am I right?

no, left shoulder is the one he dislocated...

It is my opinion that in the one loss to Cinci during the last home-stand, he aggravated the shoulder.

In that game, after a diving stop, he kept removing his glove from his right hand and commenced to shaking his hand and arm at every opportunity.

Just my own theory.

...removing his glove from his right hand

I meant his LEFT hand.

fwiw, initial reports indicated it was not serious

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/spor...

Left shoulder soreness is far less of a concern than right shoulder soreness, am I right?
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ARam dislocated his left shoulder on May 8th in Milwaukee. His right (throwing) shoulder has never been injured. The dislocaton was on his glove side and happened when he dove toward the 3B line in Milwaukee. So at this point, left shoulder symptoms are going to be attributed to the laxity of that shoulder and any hyperextension with the arm outstretched is the position it's at risk to get reinjured. This certainly wasn't another dislocation but there is probably some instability when it gets stressed so he probably needs a day or two off if it's sore from whatever happened tonight in the 3rd inning.

enjoying the change of scenery...

2 HR's already, .314 BA as a Pirate...

hey, it's the best week he'll ever have...

The Dave Van Dyke report on ARam is odd...and isn't in sync with what Len/Bob reported in terms of him hurting in in the field. Len/Bob later in the game had the replay on the single over ARam's head as I mentioned in post #15 so it was pretty obvious he did something uncomfortable to his shoulder on that play. Also DVD said ARam struck out 3 times but he grounded out 4-3 in the 5th (right after DLee's HR).

Carrie Muskat also comments on ARam's shoulder, but doesn't add any insight...saying that the error ARam made in the 4th didn't seem to be related to shoulder problems. Basically he bobbled the ball then kicked it when he should have had an easy force at third and maybe a 5-3 DP.

http://cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090808&...

Anniversary of Greg Maddux using the tarp as a slip and slide. 8-8-88

http://tinyurl.com/lgcj7z

Beat writers say ARam's shoulder has been sore since Cincy (4-5 days).

Wittenmeyer/Sun-Times:

Ramirez won't play today, and his status beyond that is uncertain after he finally succumbed to pain in the shoulder that had been bothering him since the series against the Cincinnati Reds earlier in the week.

''Today I just couldn't do it,'' he said. ''I tried.''

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Van Dyke/Tribune:

Aramis Ramirez, who left the game after the top of the fifth with stiffness in his left shoulder, the same one that put him on the disabled list earlier this season.

"I've been sore for four or five days," said Ramirez, who struck out three times. "I just couldn't do it. I tried."

Ramirez will sit out Sunday's game and will decide Monday whether to play the finale of the four-game series.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs...

Lilly about a week away...

On schedule: Ted Lilly could return from knee surgery and shoulder soreness when the Cubs play in San Diego starting Aug. 17, although they are being careful to make sure he is ready.

"Most important to me is to make sure the shoulder is strong and is prepared to handle the load that's going to come up," he said. "It's an important part of the year,. I want to be as strong as I can possibly be."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs...

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  • kuhl is a righty, not a lefty.

    i think maddon might think kuhl is a lefty, too. i wonder what the reasoning is for baez leading off vs a rightie.

    crunch 15 min 36 sec ago view
  • "trout's one of the best, and at this point should probably win over donaldson (and should have more MVPs in the past, too), but the defensive aspect of valuing WAR still needs more tweaking...imo."

    that's from my 1st post. there's no suck involved in that. maybe with a few less posts about bullshit that point would have jumped out more.

    crunch 1 hour 2 min ago view
  • crunch - you do know that, taking defense out of the equation, Trout has led the AL in wRC+ each of those years, right?

    And, if you want to complain about position adjustment (which would be serious #crunchsplaining), he's been in the top 3 in the AL in WC (not park/league/position adjusted). And the only players ahead of him (if there were any players ahead of him) in any of those years have been DHs or 1B that play lousy defense.

    But sure - Trout sucks (or at least isn't as good as WAR says). Because it factors in defense and position.

    big_lowitzki 2 hours 7 min ago view
  • early tim tebow stuff rolling in...

    ran a 6.7 60yd (above average)...shagging flies in RF and showed off a rather impressive arm a few times, but average-at best on most of his throws...hit a few over the fence (both fields), fouled or weak contact a few...he's got a touch of power

    it'll be interesting to see who bites on this project, if anyone. he probably projected himself out of RF and into LF/1st because of his arm, but unless he can make that power work on a steady basis it'll be hard for him to play himself up anyone's system.

    crunch 2 hours 52 min ago view
  • LHP Clayton Richard (released by the Cubs earlier this month) is pitching very well as a starting pitcher for the San Diego Padres and could be a good candidate to get traded to a contender looking for a veteran SP before tomorrow night's post-season roster eligibility deadline.

    Because they released him, the Cubs are paying most of Richard's 2016 salary (the Cubs are on the hooks for $2M, minus the pro-rated portion of the MLB minimum salary that is paid by the Padres).

    Arizona Phil 4 hours 39 min ago view
  • it is honestly awesome (for real) that anyone would even have a strong opinion on AZL playoffs. i guess if you invest enough time watching it, you want to see a fair/just playoff structure.

    plus, the kids deserve it.

    crunch 4 hours 40 min ago view
  • The AZL team with the best record over the course of the full 2016 AZL season and the only AZL team to play .600 ball (the AZL Dodgers) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, and the AZL East Division team with the best record over the course of the full season (the AZL Athletics) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, either. 

    That's because of the ridiculous "split season" schedule most of the minor leagues now play, a stupid system that rewards mediocrity at the expense of the worthy. 

    Arizona Phil 4 hours 47 min ago view
  • Despite good movement on his fastball, I think location kept him from getting Ks. Left some pitches up and away that got hammered up and away. Then of course Travis Wood gave up the 2-run double in the 7th, but both runs counted against Arrieta.

    Charlie 5 hours 23 min ago view
  • "i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date."

    This level of discourse is #charming.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 5 hours 24 min ago view
  • I would be having this discussion with anyone who (a) blathered on ad nauseum about the topic. (See, "Olt, Mike, not given an opportunity") or (b) responded directly to what I posted (which you did).

    Have a nice day.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 5 hours 26 min ago view
  • what would you do without me? aside from having your posting content here cut by 75%+?

    i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date.

    crunch 5 hours 30 min ago view
  • In this instance, yes, I care more about the result of this big thing that isn't really a big thing.

    #crunchsplaining

    #willlistentojeffsullivanmorethanyou

    #blessyourheart

    #hitler

    #tcrmartyr

    #billyhamiltonwar

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 5 hours 30 min ago view
  • Two things:

    Fangraphs WAR #s include baserunning and Hamilton is elite at that. He leads in SBs with the 54 and and has an 87% rate which is really good. I'm sure once he gets on base he's able to take the extra base quite often too. Both those things will up his overall WAR value.

    The differences between BR and FG WAR is pretty well documented online and thus If there are discrepancies it's fairly easy to figure out why. It's fairly well accepted that BR WAR is fine as a snapshot but FG is better at predicting future value.

    johann 5 hours 34 min ago view
  • i have no doubt at all you quit reading at that point. you're very enamored with outcomes without caring what it takes to get there.

    the fact it's exploitable, especially without someone to cover the running game for him, as well it's evolution in how people are testing possible exploits is interesting to some people...to me...i'm some people...hurrah.

    some people want to check the boxscore to see who won, some want to know how it went down.

    crunch 5 hours 47 min ago view
  • I read it as him saying it's not really that much of a concern and that the one time it really cost Lester, vs. K.C., was an anomaly.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 5 hours 52 min ago view
  • if jeff says it, it's cool...when i say it, it's straight from the mouth of hitler.

    aside from the lack of jeff touching on the insane leads runners take and lester's inability to throw if he's fielding, this is a lot of what i've said about the issue.

    exploitable, needs his own personal catcher to control his shortcomings, relies on his ability to get outs along with his personal catcher keeping runners in check before things become further exploited...

    crunch 5 hours 55 min ago view