Disabled List Welcomes Yet Another Cub

As expected, Carlos Zambrano will be placed on the disabled list with recurring back spasms. It'll be back-dated to August 2nd though and he could return as soon as August 17th. If he can return by the 17th, it would mean just one start would need to be covered on Wednesday, August 12th versus the Phillies. Jeff Stevens is being recalled to take Z's roster spot, and it appears that Jeff Samardzija is the clubhouse leader to take the start on Wednesday. The Phillies of course feature lefties Ryan Howard, Chase Utley and Raul Ibanez, but their overall team OPS versus lefties and righties is about the same.

On the flip side, Ted Lilly felt good after a bullpen session and should be back sooner, rather than later. They haven't put a timetable yet on it, but it seems reasonable he could be back within a week.


Who'd you'd rather have coming out of the pen to face a tough lefty right now, Marshall or Gaub? And who would you rather have pitching 5-6 innings in a single game for you right now, Samardzija or Marshall?

I really would've supported a Gaub up, Marshall to the rotation move, for at least this week.

I think that the difference between Smardipants and Marshall is likely to be very small as starters, and Gaub isn't on the 40 man yet, and Stevens has shown he's not useless.

is gaub even throwing 90mph yet?

he used to throw mid-90s, but worked high 80s afterwards for years after shredding his shoulder. he's got a slider, too. meh...a slower-tossing lefty marmol.

As in a slower tossing John Rocker at the end of his career? Crap.

Should we go after Wagner?

With a show of hands, who here would welcome a move for Billy Wagner (who is approximately 4 minor league appearances away from a MLB return after Tommy John surgery). I would take him - even throwing right handed - over Gregg.

cubs got what it takes to get wagner?

btw, wagner used to throw right handed til his teens. he switched to throwing lefty because of soreness/injury. looks like he made a good decision and found something special in that lefty arm.

Gladly...but I also wonder whether we would want to give up marquee prospects for him.

That said, if they are interested in a Fontenot/Miles package...


Riot MB Lee Ram Fuku Sori Soto Miles Demp

interesting...at least miles and soto in more proper places.

Give me:

Fuku Theriot Lee Ram Fox Soriano Soto (crappy 2nd baseman of choice) SP

I know Bradley is great at walking but sometimes you actually need to put the bat on the ball and make something happen by getting a hit. He never does in situations like that. Time to play him against lefties only.

No reason to take Fuku out of the leadoff spot. Ever.

Good call there Pat (Bradley with the game winning RBI last night). Today say he never hits two HR's in a game, please.

Lou on pregame said Shark will get start Wed vs Phils.

a 2-pitch "both fastball" pitcher vs. the phillies lineup? okay, sure.

I see opportunity.

Take the over on runs scored.

Ramirez left game early with left shoulder soreness...

ruh roh..

Hope the Ramirez thing isn't serious...the way things are going though who knows.

This win was at least huge, win 1 of the next 2 and I'll be happy enough although they might be looking at being a game and a half out of first.

The Pirates actually have a decent shot tomorrow with Duke going vs Piniero its the one game of the series I think they have a good shot to win.

...ruh roh
Comcast showed the replay on where ARam seemed to have onset of left shoulder soreness. It was the single to left in the 3rd by Quintanilla. ARam had his glove outstretched as the ball went over his glove and quickly pulled his left arm down with a grimace...but stayed in the game for 2 more at bats ( K in the 4th, GO in the 5th). Len/Bob noticed the incident and kept commenting that he looked like the shoulder was bothering him, even before they took ARam out of the game.

Hard to say if it's going to be more than a one game issue but I'd expect Fox/Baker to be at 3B tomorrow.

Left shoulder soreness is far less of a concern than right shoulder soreness, am I right?

no, left shoulder is the one he dislocated...

It is my opinion that in the one loss to Cinci during the last home-stand, he aggravated the shoulder.

In that game, after a diving stop, he kept removing his glove from his right hand and commenced to shaking his hand and arm at every opportunity.

Just my own theory.

...removing his glove from his right hand

I meant his LEFT hand.

fwiw, initial reports indicated it was not serious


Left shoulder soreness is far less of a concern than right shoulder soreness, am I right?
ARam dislocated his left shoulder on May 8th in Milwaukee. His right (throwing) shoulder has never been injured. The dislocaton was on his glove side and happened when he dove toward the 3B line in Milwaukee. So at this point, left shoulder symptoms are going to be attributed to the laxity of that shoulder and any hyperextension with the arm outstretched is the position it's at risk to get reinjured. This certainly wasn't another dislocation but there is probably some instability when it gets stressed so he probably needs a day or two off if it's sore from whatever happened tonight in the 3rd inning.

enjoying the change of scenery...

2 HR's already, .314 BA as a Pirate...

hey, it's the best week he'll ever have...

The Dave Van Dyke report on ARam is odd...and isn't in sync with what Len/Bob reported in terms of him hurting in in the field. Len/Bob later in the game had the replay on the single over ARam's head as I mentioned in post #15 so it was pretty obvious he did something uncomfortable to his shoulder on that play. Also DVD said ARam struck out 3 times but he grounded out 4-3 in the 5th (right after DLee's HR).

Carrie Muskat also comments on ARam's shoulder, but doesn't add any insight...saying that the error ARam made in the 4th didn't seem to be related to shoulder problems. Basically he bobbled the ball then kicked it when he should have had an easy force at third and maybe a 5-3 DP.


Anniversary of Greg Maddux using the tarp as a slip and slide. 8-8-88


Beat writers say ARam's shoulder has been sore since Cincy (4-5 days).


Ramirez won't play today, and his status beyond that is uncertain after he finally succumbed to pain in the shoulder that had been bothering him since the series against the Cincinnati Reds earlier in the week.

''Today I just couldn't do it,'' he said. ''I tried.''

Van Dyke/Tribune:

Aramis Ramirez, who left the game after the top of the fifth with stiffness in his left shoulder, the same one that put him on the disabled list earlier this season.

"I've been sore for four or five days," said Ramirez, who struck out three times. "I just couldn't do it. I tried."

Ramirez will sit out Sunday's game and will decide Monday whether to play the finale of the four-game series.


Lilly about a week away...

On schedule: Ted Lilly could return from knee surgery and shoulder soreness when the Cubs play in San Diego starting Aug. 17, although they are being careful to make sure he is ready.

"Most important to me is to make sure the shoulder is strong and is prepared to handle the load that's going to come up," he said. "It's an important part of the year,. I want to be as strong as I can possibly be."


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  • Well said. On one hand, I thought the HBP was a bad baseball play -- down 4 runs, put a runner on for a red-hot Fowler. On the other hand, they needed to do something -- I hadn't thought about the warning/pitching inside point. Is Hurdle that smart? He does not strike me that way. By the way -- not clear which fan base you are referring to in your "first" 3rd point.

  • My unsolicited opinions on topics covered in this thread:
    1. I hate the fact that after 162 games, a team could be out after 1 game. However, I think the system is pretty close to perfect right now. 2 of 3 isn't feasible unless they shorten the regular season, and it ices the division winners for way too long. This creates excitement, and rewards the division winners.

  • Personally, I think the game could have had a very different look had the Pirates held onto the ball and tagged Fowler out on the steal in the first. Cole was clearly frazzled, but if they took that runner off the base, it could have relaxed him a lot.

  • Football games are played once a week. There are 16 games a year. I'm not even remotely following at all how you can compare the two leagues and playoff systems. It is physically impossible to play a home and away series. The idea of not having any road games in baseball playoffs is certainly a head scratcher.

    How is not having the first and last game at home a benefit for the division winners and team with the best record? How is it not an incentive to win the division when a WC team has to blow their top pitcher?

    Call me lost.

  • Two 97+ win teams in a do-or-die, great bullpens, overpowering starters, plenty of pop--hard to believe that game wouldn't be tense. A 4-0 lead is not a blowout, especially in that situation and with the Cubs' young bullpen. Not only would a defensive play here or there make a difference, but you get the win there also on the home plate umps strike zone (generous strike calls for Arrieta, including a couple Ks), and on Schwarber sitting on the right pitch at the right time.

  • Unbeleivable Dodgers:
    I just noticed the Dodger's payroll today. It is just absurd. $300,000,000+!!
    Here is where just some of their money is for 2015:


    Some "Highlights"
    Carl Crawford $20MM
    Brandon McCarthy $17MM
    Bronson Arroyo $3.5MM
    Darwin B $2.2MM
    Dan Haren $10MM
    Matt Kemp $18MM
    Brian Wilson $10MM
    Ryan Webb $2.2MM
    Dee Gordon $2.5MM

  • So I think tomorrow will be the most important test of how far we can go. We can win it all with two pitchers since Arietta has shown he can carry over his success to the post season. If Lester can be dominant also then I think we can go far no matter how Hendricks or Hammel do.


    And in terms of pitching just went through to see how we could maximize Lester and Arietta and came up with this (Lester would be going on 4 days rest three times and Arietta twice):

  • i still can't believe that crawford contract (7/142). all that loot and years for a LF'r who's entire hitting game revolves around his legs and line-drive power. those triples that raised his value are deceptive as hell to his true power, but it helped him get paid.

    there's also pause about a guy who's ob% is almost totally driven by hits rather than walks. BOS got lucky unloading that crap deal.

  • I think the Cubs take Berry and Soler off playoff roster and add Hammel & Ramirez. Believe Maddon will find Denorfia & Jackson defense too hard to lose.

  • O & B: I like the one-game Wild Card heart attack game, but I'd actually like to see a best two-out-of-three LDS played in the home parks of the two division winners with the best records, and then the LCS as a best two-out-of-three in the home park of the division winner left standing with the best record, and then let's get to the World Series already. 

  • I...don't know. If chanting would help the Cubs beat the Cardinals in the next series or ultimately the World Series I think I'd be ok with it lol. I'm not supportive of saying insulting things to opposing fans or throwing things but loud noise and chanting seems appropriate to me.

    I also grew up in France though and that kind of thing is par for the course at soccer and rugby matches and I love it. I find crowds too passive here.

  • Er, they won the first one. My bad. Carry on.

  • With last night's win in Pittsburgh, the Cubs have tied the Pirates with 98 wins, and are only 2-1/2 games behind the Cardinals. No reason why the Cubs can't finish the post-season with the best winning percentage in baseball (regular season & post-season combined). 

  • BOB: I doubt very much that Matt Szczur will be on the Cubs LDS roster.

    If he wasn't on the Wild Card roster (when the Cubs went with 15 position players), he won't be on the LDS roster (when the Cubs will go with 13 or 14 position players).

    As it is, at least one of the three RH hitting outfielders who were on the Cubs WC roster (Denorfia, Jackson, and Soler) could get bumped off the LDS roster (probably Soler).