Figgins Prematurely On Cubs' Radar

I had brought up the name Chone Figgins earlier in the season as the one free agent name I thought the Cubs would try and pursue. That is if they can figure out how to squeeze him into their already bloated payroll for next year. There's also the insanity of paying him 10M+ per year, for someone who is not anywhere near that kind of money, but he's got that "true leadoff" label that worked out so well the last time the Cubs overpaid for that skillset.

Nonetheless, the Sun-Times conjectures that he is indeed in the Cubs' crosshairs and has been ever since the Brian Roberts talk from a couple offseasons ago. They also reveal what the offseason mantra will be. Last year it was of course to get more left-handed, this year it's going to be: More Team Speed. Print up the T-Shirts! Makes you wonder why they ever traded Joey Gathright away this year.

Figgins is definitely fast, although Wrigley will take away some of those triples he's use to hitting at Angel Stadium and Lou isn't nearly as aggressive as Mike Scioscia when it comes to stealing, so don't expect similar stolen base totals if the Cubs can sign him. He does fit the super-utility role that Mark DeRosa so aptly filled, although he's been playing mostly third base for the last three seasons. The Angels actually considered center field to be his best position, but I assume the Cubs would pursue him to play second base.

Insanely early start today in Pittsburgh, I'm sure you're all going to be glued to your TV sets to watch Ted Lilly vs. Dan McCutchen. Congrats to Tennessee on winning the second half division title in Double A. Congrats to Iowa for proving Cubbery extends through the entire Cubs organiztion and finishing anywhere from 4-6 games back depending on today's games after getting within a half game earlier in the week.

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Re: Triples at Wrigley

New ownership will consider moving the walls...

now there's a team who could afford a dh currently impersonating a lf.

rob g, you have/had mail.

I got it, I might put it up later this week...

Stevens called up, Samardzija will join team tomorrow

Fuku, Theriot, Lee, Ramirez, Bradley, Baker, Scales, Hill, Lilly

hey remember when Bradley was batting 2nd? that was neat....

why does Lou hate Jake Fox?

Remember when Bradley was Mr. OBP? He's gone 8 games in a row without a walk!

So far this September (28AB):

.250 BA
.250 OBP
.250 Strikeout Avg.

Re: Lou hate on Jake Fox

I think he got on Lou's shitlist when he muffed a toss from the pitcher trying to hold the runner close at first the other day.

Under the radar:

Did the Cubs forget to send Kosuke's hitting coach an airline ticket? Fukudome is off to a horrendous 4/25 start in September. If he keeps this up (.160 BA) he'll finish the year up hitting .257 just like last year.

8 whole games!

holy crap!

wow!

neat!

woah!

wtf!

woah again!

wow again!

you're a case study on how not to use stats to argue your point...

Remember when Bradley was Mr. OBP? He's gone 8 games in a row without a walk!

Remember in Stats 101 when you learned about sample sizes? Oh wait... it is pretty clear that you never took Stats 101.

Fukudome is off to a horrendous 4/25 start in September

See above on sample size.

And remember when you said that Fukudome was done a few months ago? And that he was already starting his downward spiral like last year?

I do remember alot of people jumping on Bradleys first real hot streak at the end of August and basically going in your face haters. I really don't get why people were happy with a "small sample size" of decent hitting surrounded by alot of suck.

Now that he went back into suck mode its only a sample size, who cares. Wow, got to love the double standard there.

he's 4th on the team in OPS, for the entire season. Find a new whipping boy...there are bigger problems with the team than Bradley.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHC/2009.shtml#team_batting::20

Technically he's third since AramRam doesn't qualify.

correct, I did click the hide non-qualifiers, but Ramirez still showed up for some reason.

Statistically speaking Juan Pierre had a good year in 06 even if all the production come after we were a billion games behind. That said I think he is getting a bad wrap from his detractors as he is producing like Milton Bradley. The only problem is that Jimbo signed the 08 version of Milton Bradley and not the career average Milton Bradley. I have a feeling he will be gone though as Lou seems to not to like him and since he has been here he has been the defacto GM. Other than Raul Ibanez, any player or type of player he has wanted in or out of here he has gotten his wish on. I just hope they dont do a Sosa type dump on him as he is an effective player.

The '08 version of Bradley would have cost $18 million a year.

Wow, got to love the double standard there.

Double standard? Please show where me where I used 28 at-bats to pretend that is showed anything meaningful. I don't recall anyone around here looking at 28 good at-bats and pretending that they showed us anything relevant about Bradley being able to hit.

But sure ... you are right. You and navigator can continue to point out mini-slumps and pretend that they are relevant. And you can continue to trot out at-bats rather than plate appearances, pretending that it is relevant.

It is actually quite simple. Bradley hasn't been great this year. But he has hardly been the Cubs biggest problem this year.

"But he has hardly been the Cubs biggest problem this year."

The Bradley defenders are taking pains to point this out, but did anyone say he was the biggest problem? Can someone who's been following the debate more closely either confirm or deny this?

Tito -- I've made this point once or twice myself. I think it's fair to say that the injury to Ramirez and Soriano's horrible offense this year have been bigger problems than the Milton Bradley experiment. However, there's nothing the Cubs can do about Ramirez or Soriano, but I hope they do address Bradley in the off-season.

For me, the thing with Bradley is that I (like a lot of other people) didn't want the Cubs to sign him in the first place and he's done absolutely nothing in 2009 to make me change my opinion.

I already mentioned the Wittenmyer, Rogers and Sun-Times campaigns saying he has to go and he was the face of the team's demise....they all certainly made it out like he was factor #1 in the 2009 Cubs being a disaster (I'm sorry but I'm not looking for the links to those articles, check the archives from a few weeks back). I'm not keeping tracks of what readers are listing him as the biggest problems with the team, but there's a lot more angst and calls to move him over any other player on the team and plenty of "the first thing I'd do is get rid of Bradley" (which I assume you think he is the biggest problem with the team).

So whether he's 1,2 or 3 on someone's list isn't a big deal to me, but he's definitely the player that draws the most angst around here compared to his play on the field. 

So yeah, i'll continue to defend his play against the over-the-top comments...

I'm talking about people in this forum, not the media, and of course I don't expect you of all people to keep track. But there seems to be a knee-jerk reaction to complaining about Bradley to say, "He's not the #1 problem on this team," and I just don't recall anyone saying he was.

Of course he's more of a lightning rod, because as I (and a few others)have said, due to not wanting him here in the first place, not producing like most thought and some of the stuff he's said.

I don't that I recall anyone saying explicitly that Bradley is the #1 problem on this team.

BUT... there are several people on this blog who only complain about Bradley, and they do so with, as Rob said, over-the-top attacks. So while these people haven't said, "Bradley is THE problem on this team," they have been pretty clear about who they think is THE problem, without saying it directly.

HR #30 on the year, 94 RBI's...nice "comeback" season.

Man - just imagine if we played the Bucs for 162 games.

We would for sure make the playoffs!

It wouldn't shock me to see the Bucs are the only team we have a winning record against.

Wait. I haven't checked that we do for sure.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHC/2009-s...

CIN, CLE, FLA, HOU, MIL, PIT, WAS are teams Cubs are over .500 against

Cubs have done quite well in their division except Cards which they are still a somewhat respectable 5-8.

I think we split with FLA, right?

Unless we swept here.

says 4-3, Cubs took 3 of 4 at Wrigley early in the season....then lost 2 of 3 in Florida more recently thanks to Gregg and Marmol.

what the hell does the cubs want with chone?

he's not a good middle IF'r. footwork sucks.

if this team has to get rid of bradley or fuku to find a room for him and his pay...yeesh.

he runs fast for a 31/32 year old...give that man a 3-year deal.

those of you that think 58sb/20cs (j.pierre as a cub) is heresy and an abomination upon the game will love chone.

Oddity just noticed...

Brewers lineup vs stl

Corey Patterson leading off and still has a batting avg under .200

also 3 other ex cubs playing: Kendall, Gerut, McGeehee

i guess they are trying to catch the cubs if not in the standings then in the roster

Also working aganist Figgins is that as of right now he is a Type A guy and I dont think it wise to give up a 1st rounder to get him. That said I wouldnt mind if we got more athletic and better defensively up the middle as long as we dont downgrade talent wise in the process as Jimbo did this season to get more left-handed.

Cubs just need to tank the rest of the year and drop a little in the standings...right now they have the 16th pick in the draft, just a half game better than Twins. Blow a few games and they'll be in the top 15 and have a protected pick. Not that losing a 2nd round pick is such a great idea, but a little more acceptable.

I think this explains Bobby Scales starting in LF two games in a row. It makes me fucking sick to see Theriot, Baker, and Scales all starting at the same time. 3 2b dudes at the same time. Is it Sunday yet?

not that this is worth complaining about, but Theriot is still the starting SS and Baker has been absurdly good as a Cub. Don't get Scales starting over Fox or Hoffpauir though. Fuld was out with an injury today though...

speaking of Theriot, he's been sliding lately...

since the break....609 OPS/300 OBP

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n...

 

I am hoping that Jimbo sells high on him on this off-season as this is his career year. With Castro looking like he could be ready to compete for the job in 2011 spring training, honestly I would not mind Blanco being a place holder next year for him. If you sign the O-dog to play 2B, he would likely outproduce what Theriot has done this year and you can safely assume that with Aramis being completly healthy that 3B will have increased production from last year as bad as Soto has been even if 08 was his celing as MLB hitter I think its safe to say 09 was his floor so the offense should improve enough to live with Blanco as the SS. A middle infield of Blanco and Hudson would be the best defensive MI in baseball which inturn can only help the pitching staff.

how do you sell high on a guy that's working on his second sub-.340 OBP season and plays a barely passable SS?

I could see a team being interested due to his batting average hovering around .300 for most of the year and his SLG% increasing this year to an acceptable level and if you put him at 2B you have an above average defender. Selling high but be a liberal term here since you wont get anything great for him but a team looking for cheap 2b help (Nats and Twins pop up to mind) might be willing to give up a prospect in the 25th to 40th best range for him.

We already tried having Blanco at SS for a year, his name was Ronnie Cedeno. The fans didn't much like it.

This is so wrong. Blanco has not proven himself to be mentally retarded as Cedeno did over and over and over and over and over again.

Blanco: .242/.299/.343 career #'s.

Ouch. I love him on the bench as the defensive replacement/spot starter.

Full time SS?

Exactly.

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