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Cocktail Napkin Trading

My how the sports writers love to speculate. They don't start a rumor mind you, they get a few out of context quotes to make it seem like it's from a real "the trade's just about ready to be completed" source. We all know Captain Wrongway Phil Rogers loves to do this stuff in his Sunday 'mlb whispers' column. The newest wanna-be GM rumor comes from Paul Sullivan, the Cubs beat specialist from the currently bankrupt (can I count the ways) Chicago Tribune.

Pseudo GM, 'Paul Sully-My-Reputation' pulls out the two martini cocktail napkin and draws up trade possibilities for Milton Bradley this offseason. On a bigger picture level he categorizes two "how to unload Bradley scenerios". Then he paints a classic bad contract for bad contract, real dollar salary swap with the Giants that oddly makes some sense (accent on odd).

Sully Scenerio #1:

A reverse salary dump or more accurately a salary eat and swallow (definitely not tasty). The team that will take on Bradley and the $20+ million remaining on his deal has no "bad" contracts of near equal value (because their inherently low payroll doesn't have any big contracts of similar value). Kansas City and San Diego get mentions here. KC will have 2 years remaining on Gil Meche's 5/55 deal but Meche has let everyone know he doesn't like the big market spotlight. He was a passing consideration during the 2006 off-season where the Cubs rightly preferred to sign Bulldog Teddy Roosevelt Lilly. A deal with these teams would essentially be the Cubs unloading Bradley but still paying the rest of his contract for minimal minor league talent in exchange. I'm not sure if it's worth discussing this since it's probably about the same as just releasing him and eating the collard "green"(s). The Cubs have done this before and gotten Jerry Hairston Jr., Mike Fontenot and Jose Ceda level value as players on previous trades to get bigger salary players out of town. So current GM Hendry has gotten something out of that situation before with the most value extracted from the unloading of Todd Hundley's big contract (2 years remained on a 4/24 deal) for Eric Karros and Mark Grudzielanek.

ESPN even got Padres GM, Kevin Towers to add this nearly tampering quote:

"I haven't had any calls from Jim about him," Towers told ESPN.com.

"But I think people kind of know what players we target. We have to take chances sometimes."

"We took a chance on Milton the first time we had him, and he actually played pretty well [before his knee injury].We could be in the market for an outfielder. I'm not saying it's necessarily Milton. But our experience with him was rather a positive one. It wasn't really a negative one."

So it looks like Towers is trying to 'target' ex-Cubs in a paint-by-numbers fashion, starting at #22. That makes Bradley his obvious next target. I'm thinking Ryne Sandberg will be the Padres next manager based on this logic.

Here's the inside poop from KC:

According to Royals insiders, upper management still considers Bradley a talented hitter who could thrive in a low-key environment such as the one in Kansas City.

Sully Scenerio #2:

Finding a trading partner with an ugly contract that makes a bigger financial committment than the current Bradley deal...and Sullivan seems to have found one!

So here's the punch line:

Aaron Rowand for Milton Bradley. Doing the math it's a 3/36 vs 2/21 swap. The Cubs would be on the hook for an albeit deferred, $15 million more. Hey, everybody likes Rowand and we all knows how laid back things are in northern California. Bradley would look a bit small (but comfy) in the Barry Bonds barkalounger. Hitting in front of happy go lucky Kung Fu Panda just might work for Milton.

If the Cubs want to swap bad contracts, as they did in the Hundley deal, the Giants may be Hendry's best option. Center fielder Aaron Rowand has not put up the kind of numbers expected in San Francisco and has three years remaining for $36 million.

Rowand is two years removed from a 27-homer, 89-RBI season for the Phillies and would be a good fit in the Cubs clubhouse.

(addition: and Bradley would be two years removed from a 22-homer, .321/.436/.663/.999 line in Texas)

I hope that Paul Sullivan uses the napkin on that blue cheese (from the olives) dribbling down his chin. A deal like this would make Hendry's biblical acquisitions: 3 Aaron's and 1 Moses...shouldn't the counter move really be a Pharoah Ramses II? That should get the Cubs a player who can really provide "protection" for the middle of the order (of course, that depends on how well the late Yul Brynner can hit).

One last thing...

As suspended Milton Bradley isn't with the team, I'm thinking I should be looking for him under the bus. Shouldn't players (in this case Reed Johnson) just keep their mouths shut rather than putting broken feet in them?

"Cubs fans would fall in love with him (Rowand), for sure," Cubs outfielder Reed
Johnson said. "He did well on the other side of town, and I know people
... appreciate the way he plays the game." 

"But he (Rowand) takes responsibility for stuff," Johnson said. "If you ask him, he'll tell you he could be playing better than he is now."

The Grand Waldo Hotel Bus

 

 

 

 

**The Grand (where's) Waldo Hotel Bus**

 

Oddly, if they do get Rowand, it might just mean Reed Johnson might not be affordable as a 4th outfielder with Sam Fuld as a much cheaper option for that roster spot. With Fuld, the Cubs would be one player closer to a minyon, so that prayers for a World Series win could possibly get answered.

 

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#1 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

The Aarons and Moses' can join the Von Joshua. Somewhere (Dominican?) there must be a Jesus in the org to bring in the New Testament. This trend may keep the f-bomb to a minimum here before long, what with the Exodus of Bradley to the promised land.

#2 Re:Shouldn't players (in this case Reed Johnson) just keep their

Dear Cubster, please take the following rant for what it is, just a rant...but

I don't get it, you're a fan who goes to games. You're a season ticket holder.

Milton Bradley threw you under the bus Mr. "racist" Cub fan.

How could ANYONE expect him to produce with the likes of YOU in the stands?! And yet you're dumping on Reed Johnson for putting in the word (when asked) for his best friend and buddy, Aaron Rowand---something MB would never do because he has no friends. And if you can't make friends with ANYONE on the Cubs, in the stands, or up in the booths, you, Milton "Piece of Shit" Bradley and your deck of race cards, belong under the bus. No one had to throw you there. Under the bus is your home.

#3 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

In my opinion the Orioles (again) line up as the ideal trading partner-outside of Bradley.

Luke Scott and Brian Roberts would be the targets.

If we essentially stand pat, I'd see our rotation like this:

1. Lilly
2. Zambrano
3. Dempster
4. Wells
5. Samardzija/Gorzelanny

bullpen

1. Marmol
2. Grabow
3. Guzman
4. Caridad
5. Berg
6. open

This means I think the Cubs will deal or attempt to deal Sean Marshall. I also believe they will trade Jake Fox (surprise).

To get Scott and Roberts we'll have to include a high end pitching prospect and possibly a shortstop (blanco?)I'm guessing we may have to part with Casey Coleman (i hope not) or a pitcher that has some upside.

Needless to say, Roberts in the leadoff spot and Luke Scott hitting 5th and playing right would improve our offense significantly.

#11 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

Consider me a fan of acquiring Luke Scott.

#27 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

I'd love to acquire Roberts, but ... the Orioles have him signed down and look to start making a push in the next year or two. I think they are more likely to hold onto Roberts now, look for a middle of the order bat, and add a veteran starter and see where their youth can take them. Even if they do ponder dealing Roberts, I would expect our top names to get involved, ranging from Castro to Jackson to Cashner to Vitters and so forth. I'm not saying that the Cubs would deal any one of them, but with the Orioles having no real need to move Roberts, with the Orioles having one of the deeper collections of young pitching out there, I just don't see them dealing a guy like Roberts unless it's for an elite return, in a deal that makes sense for them, and I think they'd shoot quite high in their demands.

Scott, I think it's possible he could be acquired (although it's equally possible they shift him to first base, ponder Josh Bell at 3rd, and sign a DH and let things fall), but I would prefer to acquire a CF and shift Fukudome to RF if at all possible.

If we're talking random scenarios, the Rays have been mentioned as willing to listen on BJ Upton. That's a player I'd take a gamble on - they are looking for catching and pen help according to Ken Rosenthal. I'd be willing to shop a package of Soto and others for BJ Upton. Not sure if the Rays would be, but that'd be something I'd be open to pondering, depending on who the others are.

#4 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

The part I took issue with was:

"But he (Rowand) takes responsibility for stuff," Johnson said.

I stand corrected as my issue should be with Sullivan for putting it in a context that makes that quote a slap at Bradley. Unless RJohnson really said that as a slap at Bradley.

for RJohnson, ARam, DLee and Dempster to be quoted with things that by implication point at Bradley was pretty interesting since supposedly it goes beyond the code of what happens in the locker room stays there. Clearly bridges are being burned here and the sportswriters wanted a bonfire and they got it.

I wonder if RJohnson was even thinking of Bradley with that quote? Maybe. I have no problem saying he likes the way Rowand plays the game or takes responsibility for stuff when not used as a contrast to what the Cubs just went through with Bradley. It seems to be piling on at this point and the writers who hate Bradley much more than the fans, want to do that every chance they can.

As a fan, I just want the Cubs to win. This other stuff was on the level of distraction leading to a failed season, reminiscent of the 2004 team with Farnsworth, Merker, Alou. Which also had alot of battling with the media issues. When it gets to a player who then can't perform because he's distracted, it's best to get that person to another town.

Somebody threw this Cub season under the bus. Hendry is more to blame than anyone else but the finger pointing list is long and the writers are gleaming with that being so.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs...

#5 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

I vote for a 3-way deal, Bradley and cash to somewhere, Wood to Cubs and some cash to somewhere, somewhere sends some C-level prospects Cleveland's way...

#6 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

Somewhere Over the Rainbow

#7 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

Oh Carmen. The Orioles are a no-go as long as their crazy owner insists on buggering up each trade. Let Roberts go. The Cubs's biggest problem with any trade they might want to make is that they have so little to offer over other teams (Angels) that have a lot of talent.
Rowand would be interesting. I'm sure the WSox fans would love this. Here's some wish list people I would like to get but not bloody likely:
Lackey - pipe dream
Aaron Harang -(may be injured, more likely just burned out from the Reds by lack of run support)
Ichiro Suzuki- again hah! but I do like him.
DeRosa-no comment needed
Pitching coach- Orel Herscheiser or Leo Mazzone
coach/babysitter-Hank White
That's all for now. Hope you chuckled a little bit.

#8 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

Twittenmeyer: Lineup vs. Zito: riot, gooch (7), rami, fox (3), bake, rejo (9), soto, fuld, gorz.

#9 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

I'm so tired of hearing of the racist Cubs fans. I'm sure there are jerks everywhere, but one thing Jock Jones, Latroy Hawkins, and now Milton Bradley can't seem to grasp is the fans loved Sammy Sosa. If we are all racist to the bone we would have ripped Sammy daily. The team ended up throwing Sammy under the bus, not the fans.

Bottom line, produce for the team and the fans will not only accept you but love you. Suck and you'll get your ass booed constantly. Does anyone really think the ushers at Wrigley let people scream racist threats at players? The moment that is heard the fan would be kicked out. I've been to Wrigley a hundred times, heard some heavy duty heckling, but never racist stuff.

Personally, instead of trading or releasing Bradley, if I owned the team I would buy a semi-pro team in Siberia and transfer Bradley's contract there.

#10 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

Sammy was Dominican. Way different.

#12 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

I don't intend to argue that all Cubs fans are racist. That's absurd.

However, racism is more than just hating all people with certain perceived physical similarities. It also includes assigning roles for those people based on the perceived physical similarities. I suspect that Bradley (or anyone accusing Cubs fans in general of racism) would counter that, sure, Wrigley loves black players that stay in their place, never make a fuss, and perform extraordinarily.

Again, I wouldn't necessarily agree with any one of those points, but they are arguments that one could make regarding racism at Wrigley.

#14 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

Wrigley loves black players that stay in their place, never make a fuss, and perform extraordinarily.

I think you have a much truer statement if you simply remove the word "black' from this sentence.

Cubs fans love just about any player, regardless of skin color, who plays hard and doesn't make a fuss. Do you think Ryne Sandberg or Mark Grace or any of the other "fan favorite" white players over the years would have been fan favorites if they had behaved like Bradley? I doubt it.

It's pretty universally accepted that Bradley is a jerk. And generally speaking, fans don't like jerks, regardless of their skin color.

#30 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

I'm a Cubs fan and I know I'm not Racist.

Hell, by Pot dealer is Black. What more proof do I need?

#13 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

Ken Rosenthal was just on TV during the Cubs game and said the Cubs have already had contacts from other teams regarding Bradley. San Fran, San Diego, Mets, Texas and Tampa were mentioned.

Also said that the Cubs are confident they can trade Bradley this off-season and do the sliding scale in paying Bradley, the more we pay the better player we get back.

#15 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

Would be curious to know if MB has played on any of those other teams.

#42 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

Bradley has played for San Diego and Texas.

#48 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

I wish someone would develop a website where one could go find all the historical information on baseball players' careers. That sounds like a goldmine.

#16 IDIOTS!!

KANSAS CITY ROYALS officials dismiss — in strong terms — reports of possible interest in acquiring outfielder Milton Bradley from the Cubs. “Idiots” was one of the nicer comments directed at those offering such speculation.

~snip~

The Royals are likely linked to Bradley because they nearly acquired him from Oakland in 2006 for reliever Leo Nuñez. The deal was voided at the last moment when Bradley suffered an injury.

It was former manager Buddy Bell who pushed to acquire Bradley because the two had an amicable relationship in Cleveland (where he was a coach).

http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/1472338.html

#17 Re: IDIOTS!!

"Idiots"... lol. I had the same thoughts back in January.

#18 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

Paul I. Sullivan

now you know the rest of the story

#19 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

Twittenmeyer still spewing distaste vs MB:

cst_cubs: 6-1 post Milty.

#20 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

Muskat tweeting more useful stuff:

Don't expect D-Lee in #cubs lineup Sunday; he's still bothered by neck spasms

Lou Piniella is first cubs mgr since Charlie Grimm to have winning record in first 3 years with team; Grimm's first years were 1933-35

#21 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

at least Rosenthal didn't mention KC

...maybe he'll get invited to the minyon

#22 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

A couple things:

There were FIVE games the Cubs EASILY choked away this season with Gregg - and I would have to admit with DeRosa in the early part of the offensive drought lineup, and subbing for A-Ram, the team adds on another 2-4 wins no problem.

With that scenario, the team is right in the thick of the Wild Card race.

Bradley/No Bradley - Hendry royally fucked the team with these two decisions.

I really think that even a "closer by committee" without Gregg would have done a better job.

On the bright side, in spite of a few of you who constantly trash out Minors - and BP or whatever tip sheet you read, the team's inexperienced players did an admirable job this year and could be at least bench players on nearly all MLB squads. There are 800 total players in the entire major leagues - and making it to this level is a success. OK - we don't have another Albert Pujols perhaps - but servicable Major League caliber players - which is the true objective of the farm system. Plus using players in trades...

#87 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

"There are 800 total players in the entire major leagues"

Not in total. 30 teams. 25-man rosters: 750 MLB players. 40-man rosters, full: 1200 MLB players.

However you count, it doesn't change your point that it's a hell of an accomplishment to be on a big league roster.

#23 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

"...trash out minors" = "trash OUR minors"

#61 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

If only there were an edit button.

Oh wait...

#24 Re: Cocktail Napkin Trading

I really think that even a "closer by committee" without Gregg would have done a better job.
(Bradley/No Bradley)
---
aka Wuertz and Ceda/No Gregg?

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