TCR: No Good Will Come of This

It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

With most all of the Cubs front office personnel, Scouting Department, and Player Development staff watching from the picnic area high above the third-base dugout, Michael Brenly singled twice and scored once, Starlin Castro singled twice (increasing his AFL-leading batting average to .433) and drove in a run with a sacrifice fly, and four Cubs pitchers combined to throw seven innings of one-run ball, as the Mesa Solar Sox dropped the Peoria Javelinas 8-1 in Arizona Fall League action at HoHoKam Park in Mesa this afternoon.

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The Cubs brain-trust had a bar-b-que at HoHoKam Park today because this week is the annual Cubs "Organizational Meetings" in Mesa (sort of a "Cubs Convention" for club employees). This is the one time every year when all the scouts and coaches and managers and execs all get together in the same place at the same time, drink a lot, and decide that the lineup is "too right-handed." (If you don't think these get-togethers are dangerous, remember it was probably at the Cubs organizational meeting this time last year that the Cubs decided to not offer Kerry Wood arbitration, to trade Mark DeRosa and Michael Wuertz, and to go hard after Kevin Gregg, Milton Bradley, Aaron Heilman, and Aaron Miles),    

RHP Andrew Cashner was supposed to have started last Tuesday in Peoria, but his start was pushed back to today, apparently to allow the Cubs brass to get a first-hand look at their prized phenom. That's also probably the reason six of the seven Cubs players assigned to the Solar Sox saw action in today's game. (Only Josh Vitters had the day off).  

Cashner worked four shutout innings again this afternoon, on the heels of his last start a week ago yesterday when he tossed four innings of no-run, no-hit ball at the Scottsdale Scorpions. He scattered five harmless singles and hit a batter today, but he didn't walk anybody, and he struck out four (4/4 GO/FO, 49 pitches - 35 strikes).

LHP James Russell followed Cashner to the mound and had a 1-2-3 5th inning, interrupted only by an E-3 on a two-out grounder, but he then retired the side without further incident (2/1 GO/FO, 16 pitches - 10 strikes). He mixed his fastball & change-up very well today..

Hard-throwin' LHP John Gaub worked the 6th, (16 pitches - 11 strikes) and struck out the only lefty batter he faced (the Dodgers' Andrew Lambo) on three pitches, Otherwise, he pitched a shutout inning (two pop-ups in addition to the strikeout and the single).

RHP Blake Parker drew the 7th, and got into immediate difficulty when Mesa CF P. J. Phillips (Angels) lost a pop fly in the sun, allowing Peoria's Jessie Mier (Dodgers) to reach base on a gift double. Parker would later surrender an RBI single to Lorenzo Cain (Brewers),before getting the third out (he threw 18 pitches - 11 strikes), but he should have escaped the inning with no run scoring. NOTE: Phillips probably should be cut some slack as far as losing the pop fly in the sun, because at other points during the game he hit a solo HR, just missed two others (settling for doubles both times), and made a spectacular diving catch in left-center.   

On offense, Starlin Castro was the Solar Sox shortstop and hit 2nd, and Michael Brenly (with dad Bob in attendance, sitting just a few feet away from me) got the start at catcher and hit 9th.

Castro grounded a single between the shortstop and third-baseman with a runner on 1st base and no outs in his first AB in the bottom of the 1st inning, but was erased on a DP.

Michael Brenly singled sharply through the box into CF with a runner at 1st base and one out in the bottom of the 2nd, and advanced to 3rd on a throwing error by Peoria CF Lorenzo Cain, before scoring on a one-out F-8 SF hit to medium-deep CF by Castro.

Brenly would later single again, as would Castro,.with Brenly's second hit a line-drive ripped to CF, and Castro's an infield grounder backhanded by Javelina SS Carlos Triunfel (Mariners) deep in the hole with no play at 1st.   

Brenly also flied out to deep CF in the 4th (deep enough to allow the runner at 2nd base to advance to 3rd), and grounded out to the third-baseman in the 8th (Peoria 3B Brent Morel making a nice back-handed stop, throwing out Brenly out on a "bang-bang" play at 1st), while Castro popped-out to CF in the 4th and struck out swinging in the 8th. 

Castro, Vitters, Parker, and Cashner were named to the AFL "Rising Stars Game" roster earlier this week (the game will be televised "live" on the MLB network Saturday night), but I believe Cashner will be unavailable to pitch in the game since he threw four innings today. If he had pitched last Tuesday in Peoria instead of today in Mesa, he could have thrown in the Rising Stars game on Saturday.

 

 

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#1 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

Baseball America has some very favorable comments on Castro today. "The sky is the limit" and "ceiling more like that of Derek Jeter rather than Hanley Ramirez" and that Cub brass projects him to be 6-3 195-200 when mature.

#4 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

that's cute, and I know Castro's the flavor of the month and I do hope he's fulfills all this promise, but Jeter showed a lot better control of the strike zone than Castro did at age 19 and the rest of his minor league career...

obviously they're planning on Castro grow into his power, so I won't go there yet, but let's just take a moment and let the kid show he belongs...by actually putting up an OPS number north of .800 and not making almost 40 errors over a full season.

after going from Hi-A to AA to AAA at age 20 in '94., Yanks were smart enough to put Jeter through a whole season of Triple A at age 21 in 1995.

I'm more than happy to wait for Castro until 2012 and I'm happy to wait until Vitters until then as well. I think they'll both be 22 by then, they got time.

#8 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

I note that Jeter had 53 errors at age 19---but also walked 158 times to support your OBP observation. Hope Castro is everything long suffering fans hope for. Also Vitters---who may need time to grow into his power

#9 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

yeah I know, but he proceeded to get significantly better in that area, although I hope Castro is a lot better defensive shortstop than Jeter is...

and all the reports on Castro is that his defense is good, but let's just make sure he actually shows it on the field for a full season before handing him any starting jobs...or putting him a class with a HOFer.

#10 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

can't speak for them, but they're probably not referring to his ability to take a walk or how he earns his ob%...they're probably talking about results over method on avg/power projections.

throwing names like jeter/hanley around don't do much of anything but compare how much of their above-average contact turns into power when it comes to the bat. for all the mega-love jeter gets his power numbers for most of his career is in the 30-double/15 HR area.

#11 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

Age 19 in AA Castro had a 10/12 BB/K to ratio across 122 PA's. At age 20 Jeter had a 15/16 ratio across 143 PA's.

Jeter was too advanced a hitter for the Sally league at age 19, and stuck there because he gave away too many outs in the field. That's pretty much the end of the story. Had Castro played his entire year in Peoria he would likely have torn it up.

#12 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

once in 159 PA's, Theriot slugged .522...

so far, Castro has a 1.67 K/BB ratio and has never quite approached 158 walks over a full season, and I don't think they were really pitching around Jeter judging by his XBH's.

nonetheless, it's one of those we shall see...I for one would like to see all this talent actually manifest into a full good season at AA or above before I anoint him a HOFer and give him a starting job in 2010.

#13 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

I was really hoping he could fly under the radar for another year at least. I've gotten very superstitious about hype for prospects, in addition to my more reality-based concerns regarding rushing them, etc.

#30 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

Don't worry, there's plenty of young shortstop talent in the system, in case Castro stumbles. Examples: Hak-Ju Lee, LeMahieu, Flaherty, Barney, Logan Watkins and Junior Lake. Lee was voted #1 prospect in the Northwest League (Boise). He turned 19 two days ago. Flaherty and Watkins have been pushed over to second base--Flaherty by Lake and LeMahieu, Watkins by Lee--because there are a lot of shortstops and only so many teams.

Lake had a so-so year at Peoria at age 19, but what makes him interesting is that he is already 6-3 and he sometimes shows serious power.

Who did Corey Patterson or Felix Pie have to compete with when they were coming up? Casto is just trying to stay one step ahead of those other guys.

Competition is good, and there's plenty of it these days.

#24 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

So the fact that Jeter's freakish walks one year were totally out of line with anything he'd done before or after don't come into analysis.

I get it.

#31 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

completely disregarding that season then, although that doesn't seem wise...

1.22 K/BB ratio

BB/PA%, - 9%, K/PA% - 11%, Castro's at 6 and 11% and a 1.67 ratio...

#53 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

Give Castro two more years in the minors, repeating a level, and it will probably be very close.

#54 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

Jeter repeated a level?

#55 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

He was in LowA twice and AAA twice.

#56 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

i think that's what anyone not named Real Neal would call continuing a level or an early promotion the season before...

but hey, to each their own....

#57 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

All these scouts and this writers point to the fact that Castro excelled at higher levels than Jeter did at a younger age, but Rob G clings to simplistic fact that he didn't walk as much as Jeter therefore he can't be a prospect of an equal level.

but hey, to each their own...

#58 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

Kick his ass, seabass!

#18 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

Agreed Rob,

I hope the Cubs give Castro as much ML time as possible. No more Corey Patterson treatment for our prized prospects.

Vitters does kind of worry me propect wise. His value might be as high as it ever will be. If you can put him in a blockbuster type of deal. Then I wouldn't be against it.

Guys generally just don't develop plate discipline at the 11th Hour. And the more Vitters plays the more I think he is Shea Hillenbrand 2.0.

Probably useful, but not a franchise cornerstone type of player.

#20 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

I see your point Doc...but don't teams need useful players too?

#21 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

absolutely they do.

But if his value is higher now (since some think he will be a star) then we should sell High on the guy.

Even though we never sell high or buy low. I wish we started getting in that habit.

#2 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

Thanks AZ PHIL!

Did you happen to catch an attendance figure?

#3 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

Harden - ReJo FILE for FA

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=2...

If this is 3/44, excuse me.

#5 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

Submitted by The E-Man on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 9:55pm.

Did you happen to catch an attendance figure?

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E-MAN: The announced attendance was 432, but it was a late-arriving crowd, and a lot of the fans went home early. I stayed for the whole game, though.

#6 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

I wonder how Bob watches a game when he doesn't have Soriano to overreact to?

#7 Bio on Vitters

seems very self-aware...

does look like he'll miss the Rising Stars game though, strained pectoral muscle during batting practice...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs...

#14 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

once in 159 PA's, Theriot slugged .522...
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I think that was last year when Theriot went on his 7 HR binge early in the season. From May 1st thru June 7th (134 PA) he hit 6 of the 7 HR's. His 7th (and last) HR was June 29th. On June 7th his SLG was .451 but if you exclude April (no HR's) he probably got the SLG stat up over .500.

#15 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

I was talking about 2006...

he did have a .525 SLG in May last year as well in 111 PA's...

my sarcastic comment was just my pretentious way of saying I don't much stock 120-200 PA's as being reflective of a player's true talent level.

#16 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

Red Sox traded for Hermida today - I'd like to have seen him on the Cubs, although I fear the Cubs would have had to give up two good prospects for him, like the Red Sox did.

#32 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

discussed in the previous thread, but I assume you're kidding about the 2 good prospects.

I mean I'm sure they don't suck, but lefty relievers that rank in the 40-60 range, don't sound all that exciting.

#17 Re: It's Cubs Picnic Day at HoHoKam

JJ Hardy to Twins for Carlos Gomez, not sure what that does to Mike Cameron though (he's gone).

http://brewersbeat.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/11/ha...

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/69379917.html

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