Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon Byrd
I had to take a break from the series last week cause of that annoying paying job that I jeopardize every day spending way too much time here on TCR. So I'm gonna double up the efforts and today we look at some more potential center field candidates. Let's start with Randy Winn.
| Year | Age | Tm | G | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | SB | CS | BB | SO | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS | OPS+ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1998 | 24 | TBD | 109 | 379 | 338 | 51 | 94 | 9 | 9 | 1 | 17 | 26 | 12 | 29 | 69 | .278 | .337 | .367 | .704 | 83 |
| 1999 | 25 | TBD | 79 | 324 | 303 | 44 | 81 | 16 | 4 | 2 | 24 | 9 | 9 | 17 | 63 | .267 | .307 | .366 | .673 | 71 |
| 2000 | 26 | TBD | 51 | 190 | 159 | 28 | 40 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 16 | 6 | 7 | 26 | 25 | .252 | .362 | .302 | .664 | 72 |
| 2001 | 27 | TBD | 128 | 480 | 429 | 54 | 117 | 25 | 6 | 6 | 50 | 12 | 10 | 38 | 81 | .273 | .339 | .401 | .740 | 97 |
| 2002 | 28 | TBD | 152 | 674 | 607 | 87 | 181 | 39 | 9 | 14 | 75 | 27 | 8 | 55 | 109 | .298 | .360 | .461 | .821 | 120 |
| 2003 | 29 | SEA | 157 | 660 | 600 | 103 | 177 | 37 | 4 | 11 | 75 | 23 | 5 | 41 | 108 | .295 | .346 | .425 | .771 | 107 |
| 2004 | 30 | SEA | 157 | 703 | 626 | 84 | 179 | 34 | 6 | 14 | 81 | 21 | 7 | 53 | 98 | .286 | .346 | .427 | .772 | 103 |
| 2005 | 31 | TOT | 160 | 683 | 617 | 85 | 189 | 47 | 6 | 20 | 63 | 19 | 11 | 48 | 91 | .306 | .360 | .499 | .859 | 128 |
| 2005 | 31 | SEA | 102 | 436 | 386 | 46 | 106 | 25 | 1 | 6 | 37 | 12 | 6 | 37 | 53 | .275 | .342 | .391 | .733 | 100 |
| 2005 | 31 | SFG | 58 | 247 | 231 | 39 | 83 | 22 | 5 | 14 | 26 | 7 | 5 | 11 | 38 | .359 | .391 | .680 | 1.071 | 173 |
| 2006 | 32 | SFG | 149 | 635 | 573 | 82 | 150 | 34 | 5 | 11 | 56 | 10 | 8 | 48 | 63 | .262 | .324 | .396 | .721 | 84 |
| 2007 | 33 | SFG | 155 | 653 | 593 | 73 | 178 | 42 | 1 | 14 | 65 | 15 | 3 | 44 | 85 | .300 | .353 | .445 | .798 | 104 |
| 2008 | 34 | SFG | 155 | 667 | 598 | 84 | 183 | 38 | 2 | 10 | 64 | 25 | 2 | 59 | 88 | .306 | .363 | .426 | .790 | 105 |
| 2009 | 35 | SFG | 149 | 597 | 538 | 65 | 141 | 33 | 5 | 2 | 51 | 16 | 2 | 47 | 93 | .262 | .318 | .353 | .671 | 75 |
| TBD (5 yrs) | 519 | 2047 | 1836 | 264 | 513 | 94 | 28 | 24 | 182 | 80 | 46 | 165 | 347 | .279 | .342 | .400 | .743 | 95 | ||
| SFG (5 yrs) | 666 | 2799 | 2533 | 343 | 735 | 169 | 18 | 51 | 262 | 73 | 20 | 209 | 367 | .290 | .345 | .432 | .776 | 100 | ||
| SEA (3 yrs) | 416 | 1799 | 1612 | 233 | 462 | 96 | 11 | 31 | 193 | 56 | 18 | 131 | 259 | .287 | .345 | .417 | .762 | 104 | ||
| AL (8 yrs) | 935 | 3846 | 3448 | 497 | 975 | 190 | 39 | 55 | 375 | 136 | 64 | 296 | 606 | .283 | .343 | .408 | .752 | 99 | ||
| NL (5 yrs) | 666 | 2799 | 2533 | 343 | 735 | 169 | 18 | 51 | 262 | 73 | 20 | 209 | 367 | .290 | .345 | .432 | .776 | 100 | ||
It's gonna be hard to get excited about a guy with a .262//318/353 slash line last season. You can't even attribute it to an unlucky BABIP as it was .314 last year. No, his power disappeared hitting just two home runs after a healthy stretch of double digits. He did hit a measly 1.4% of HR/FB which is Ryan Theriot 2007/2008 low, so maybe there's a little bounceback (7.8% in his career albeit steadily declining).
Defensively, his UZR remains excellent over the last few seasons, as does his Rate2 and the Fan's Scouting Report considers him above average. Unfortunately most of that has been in right field and with the declining stolen base numbers you have to think he may not have the range for center, even in the cozy Wrigley Field confines.
While the novelty of a reunion between the player the Rays traded to get Lou Piniella and Lou would be a neat angle for the papers, I assume the Cubs will pass on the soon-to-be 36 year old. Despite his switch-hitting ability and potential leadoff qualities, his stolen base numbers are merely okay and he only walks 8% of the time and sees well under 4 pitches per plate appearance, so I don't think this would be much of a match for the Cubs.
| Year | Age | Tm | G | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | SB | CS | BB | SO | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS | OPS+ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2002 | 24 | PHI | 10 | 36 | 35 | 2 | 8 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 8 | .229 | .250 | .371 | .621 | 66 |
| 2003 | 25 | PHI | 135 | 553 | 495 | 86 | 150 | 28 | 4 | 7 | 45 | 11 | 1 | 44 | 94 | .303 | .366 | .418 | .784 | 111 |
| 2004 | 26 | PHI | 106 | 378 | 346 | 48 | 79 | 13 | 2 | 5 | 33 | 2 | 2 | 22 | 68 | .228 | .287 | .321 | .608 | 54 |
| 2005 | 27 | TOT | 79 | 259 | 229 | 20 | 61 | 15 | 2 | 2 | 26 | 5 | 1 | 19 | 50 | .266 | .323 | .376 | .698 | 87 |
| 2005 | 27 | PHI | 5 | 15 | 13 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 3 | .308 | .400 | .308 | .708 | 86 |
| 2005 | 27 | WSN | 74 | 244 | 216 | 20 | 57 | 15 | 2 | 2 | 26 | 5 | 1 | 18 | 47 | .264 | .318 | .380 | .698 | 87 |
| 2006 | 28 | WSN | 78 | 228 | 197 | 28 | 44 | 8 | 1 | 5 | 18 | 3 | 3 | 22 | 47 | .223 | .317 | .350 | .667 | 76 |
| 2007 | 29 | TEX | 109 | 454 | 414 | 60 | 127 | 17 | 8 | 10 | 70 | 5 | 3 | 29 | 88 | .307 | .355 | .459 | .814 | 112 |
| 2008 | 30 | TEX | 122 | 462 | 403 | 70 | 120 | 28 | 4 | 10 | 53 | 7 | 2 | 46 | 62 | .298 | .380 | .462 | .842 | 121 |
| 2009 | 31 | TEX | 146 | 599 | 547 | 66 | 155 | 43 | 2 | 20 | 89 | 8 | 4 | 32 | 98 | .283 | .329 | .479 | .808 | 106 |
| 8 Seasons | 785 | 2969 | 2666 | 380 | 744 | 154 | 23 | 60 | 335 | 41 | 18 | 215 | 515 | .279 | .340 | .422 | .762 | 99 | ||
| PHI (4 yrs) | 256 | 982 | 889 | 136 | 241 | 43 | 6 | 13 | 79 | 13 | 5 | 68 | 173 | .271 | .332 | .377 | .709 | 86 | ||
| TEX (3 yrs) | 377 | 1515 | 1364 | 196 | 402 | 88 | 14 | 40 | 212 | 20 | 9 | 107 | 248 | .295 | .352 | .468 | .820 | 112 | ||
| WSN (2 yrs) | 152 | 472 | 413 | 48 | 101 | 23 | 3 | 7 | 44 | 8 | 4 | 40 | 94 | .245 | .318 | .366 | .683 | 82 | ||
| NL (5 yrs) | 408 | 1454 | 1302 | 184 | 342 | 66 | 9 | 20 | 123 | 21 | 9 | 108 | 267 | .263 | .327 | .373 | .701 | 85 | ||
| AL (3 yrs) | 377 | 1515 | 1364 | 196 | 402 | 88 | 14 | 40 | 212 | 20 | 9 | 107 | 248 | .295 | .352 | .468 | .820 | 112 | ||
The rumors flooded the TCR newsroom yesterday (i.e. Google Reader) with the Cubs targeting Marlon Byrd as their potential new center fielder. When I made a cursory list of guys I might look at it in this series, Byrd was on the radar as a potential 4th outfielder, but leave it to Jim Hendry and the Cubs to make him a top priority.
Anyway, Byrd was a top prospect in the Phillies system, one of the top prospects in the game at the time, but fizzled out before the Phillies gave up on him and moved him to the Nationals for Endy Chavez. It didn't go much better for him there, but then Texas gave him a shot and whether it was Rudy Jamarillo or the Ballpark or fate, he bounced back with three solid, albeit unspectacular seasons in Texas.
2007-2009 splits (courtesy of Baseball Musings Day-by-Database and ESPN.com):
Home: 309/375/522 with a HR every 27.20 AB
Road: 281/321/414 with a HR every 45.60 AB
vs. LHP: 277/336/462 with a HR every 28.93 AB
vs. RHP: 302/359/470 with a HR every 36.89 AB
It isn't like Wrigley isn't friendly as well, but those home/road splits have to be a little worrisome. His lefty vs righty splits aren't too pronounced, actually showing a bit of a reverse split so the Cubs need not worry about matchups too much.
Now one of the things the Cubs are said to be looking for is a run-producer/RBI guy and Byrd did have some decent RBI totals the last 3 years, particularly relative to his plate appearances. That included driving in 17.9% of the runners on base when he got up in 2009 which is an above average mark along with 18.4% in 2007, but just 12.5% in 2008, so you can see how volatile and unreliable hitting with runners on can be.
Defensively, he had a UZR/150 of 10.9, 10.9 and -2.8 over the last three years while bouncing around all three outfield spots, so it's tough to say from that if he'll be much of an improvement in center field. BP is kinder to him in LF and RF (109 and 107) then in CF( 95) for his career using Rate2, but it all suffers from small sample size issues as does UZR. The Fan's Scouting Report seemed to consider him as just a bit above average over the last three years.
He did walk an abysmal 5.5% of the time in 2009 which isn't too far off from his 7.5% career mark...both of which are below the standards I'd like to see the Cubs employ. The Cubs pursuit of Byrd shouldn't come as too much of a shock as they tried to acquire him for Matt Murton last season but were rebuffed, so obviously they've believed in skills for awhile. I guess we'll see how this unravels, but I'd probably prefer Mike Cameron on a one year deal (if that is in the cards) over Byrd and a likely multi-year deal, but I don't think we know the market yet for either player.
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#1 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
Took the words out of my mouth. Rather just grab Cameron, probably cheaper and one year, and more of a known quantity.
#2 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
So, ROB G, no "Bradley Pool"?
Oh well - as we are getting the hang of the new owners we can be very sure that Hendry is only looking for "value on the cheap".
And, at the same time, trying to pare back the ramifications of his own back-loaded contracts.
He could do worse than Byrd, Cameron, Castillo, I suppose. We have HAD worse, actually. Winn WAS a fit two or three years ago. Instead, Hendry found a way to pay $48MM for Fukudome.
#3 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
The pressure to win is so great on the Cubs that they can't take their time with guys like Sam Fuld. In my opinion the Cubs already have their starting center fielder and lead-off man: Fuld. His defense saves at least a run every two or three games and I think he'd get on base at close to .400, and probably steal 30 bases. Give him a shot!
#6 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
There's two main problems with Fuld. The first is that he's unproven. It's probably reasonable to think that he will hold his own in the bigs, but it's not a certainty. The other, larger problem, is that he cannot remain healthy. If you go into spring training with Fuld as your CF and leadoff hitter you need a pretty good backup plan.
#7 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
I like Fuld, too, but I have to agree with Real Neal (shock), Fuld hasn't been able to stay healthy and in his short stints in the majors he really hasn't done anything with the bat to impress me, as much as I want him to. Breaking him in as a 5th OF would be better and if he does develop, great, but penciling him in to start on a team expected to contend doesn't make a lot of sense yet.
#37 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
His defense saves at least a run every two or three games
Haha... that is funny. 1 run every 2-3 games? Really?
I think he'd get on base at close to .400
Lets see... he has never had a minor league season with an OBP close .400, and he had a career minor league OBP of .370, yet somehow he will have a major league OBP close to .400?
probably steal 30 bases.
He has never stolen more than 23 bases in a season in the minors. An oh yea... his SB% in the minors is mediocre, at best (72%).
The love for Sam Fuld is baffling. And the magical improvement that people expect Fuld to make when he becomes a full-time major league player is even more baffling.
#43 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
"The love for Sam Fuld is baffling."
Anybody who doesn't love Sam Fuld needs another Old Style! He plays with gusto and he's fun to watch. Put away your stats and enjoy the game.
#44 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
The perfect Cub player...play with gusto, be enjoyable to watch and suck.
#49 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
Put away your stats and enjoy the game.
I enjoy the game more when it is played by good players. Sam Fuld is not a good baseball player (at least in comparison to other major league baseball players).
I have no interest in watching crappy players who play "with gusto" and are "fun to watch."
#50 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
Of course Sam Fuld is crappy.
We have a miniscule sample size to decide this...where he put up .299/.409/.412. His minor league #'s are .287/.370/.407.
If he approached those numbers...say .270/.360.390...
Never mind...he's been deemed "crappy." Let's go spend some money on another 1 year stopgap guy.
#52 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
Of course Sam Fuld is crappy.
We have a miniscule sample size to decide this
No we don't. We have over 2000 minor league plate appearances to decide this.
If he approached those numbers...say .270/.360.390...
I'll go out on a limb and say that a) .270/.360/.309 is not good, and b) he won't have a .750 OPS playing close to full-time.
#53 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
For a major league CF, for what he would be paid...providing solid defense, and getting on base, he would not be "crappy."(.287 average with .370 OBP is crappy?)
It's not like power hitting CF's with speed and defense are growing on trees. The Cubs could pick up Mike Cameron for a year maybe, but at some point, his age will catch up, and are the Cubs going to have the money to spend on a CF?
For a cheap CF, who is good defensively, and will get on base..I'd take a chance on Fuld. They could do a hell of a lot worse.
Of course I'd rather have someone like Curtis Granderson, or Torii Hunter...but it may not be in the cards.
#54 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
For a major league CF, for what he would be paid...providing solid defense, and getting on base, he would not be "crappy."(
A .750 OPS would have been 9th out of 11 qualifying MLB center fielders.
A .370 OBP would be good, but there is no indication that he could actually do that playing consistently at the major league level. He has a .356 OBP in AAA, a .369 OBP in AA, and a .377 OBP in A. See a trend? Because I sure do.
Sam Fuld is not an everyday major league player. It is as simple as that.
#55 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
Is Sam Fuld my first choice? No.
Would I rather have Granderson, Ellsbury, Matt Kemp...sure?
Are the Cubs going to get someone like that? Please tell me who you think they will get?
"A .750 OPS would have been 9th out of 11 qualifying MLB center fielders"
BJ Upton: .686 OPS
Vernon Wells: .711 OPS
Willy Taveras: .559 OPS
Aaron Rowand: .738 OPS
How many at bats does it take to "qualify"
Again....to NOT cherry-pick my statements...Fuld isn't my first choice...but they could do worse. It depends on the $$ the Cubs will have available.
#58 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
How many at bats does it take to "qualify"
Oops... I meant NL CF's.
#59 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
NP Lowitzki...
I just don't see anyone out there who will be the Cubs CF next season, except maybe Mike Cameron. Will he be worth $7-8 million in 2010? More importantly, will the Cubs have that to spend?
#4 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
On our outfield situation---I'm with Billy Williams---we've already bought high on Bradley. He apparently has a good history with Jaramillo. Why not hang in there another year, or part of a year, and see if he can't produce something. He'll never have less trading value than the 0 he has right now. It isn't as if any of the available outfielders are really going to make a difference.
#5 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
The problem with this scenario is that, one, there is no way to know whether or not Jaramillo= rod marinelli. In other words, just because they bring in some stud coach doesn't mean everything is fixed, history or not. The other problem is this tiny issue of Cubs players applauding when hearing that Milton was gone. As a manager type myself, I don't want the inmates running the asylum, but I have to listen to the "team" when there is a huge personnel issue with one person. It matters in business, and it matters in baseball.
I kind of liked the idea of taking a chance on Bradley when it happened. It didn't work out. Time to move on.
#8 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
Funny article from Steve Rosenbloom regarding Cubs want ad for new CFO. Must read.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/smack/
#11 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
that was pretty good....
congrats to Rosenbloom for actually writing something funny...I knew he had it in him.
#23 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
Byline says Paul Sullivan. I didn't think Rosenbloom had it in him, and it appears I was right.
#9 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
What about Coco Crispies - coming off surgeries & should come cheap - leadoff hitter - switch-hitter - upgrade on defense & can steal bases !!! This is a no brainer - sign Reed Johnson as backup to all 3 OF spots - effort & big time defense .
#10 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
well he shouldn't be a leadoff hitter, .331 career OBP, never topped .345, walks just 7.5% of the time, sees less than 4 pitches per plate appearance...stolen bases aren't all that high.
Crisp is a bench player at best...
#12 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
IF a commie jerk idiot murderous puny sop like Kim Jong Il can paralyze a whole region of Asia and starve millions of Koreans, why can't Lou make MB into the comeback kid? China and Japan hated the U.S.A. and now they are our biggest trading partners, so hello! Lou: you can use that as your model for reforming MB. If the freaking Berlin Wall can go down...well, you get the idea.
#13 Re: Kim Jong, Milton and Lou
today in random metaphors...
#14 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
Phillips and arroyo for Bradley, vitters and cashner/samardizja? Give them the choice of fontenot/baker/Tony Thomas as well.
#16 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
Wow! My thoughts exactly.
Bradley is owed $21 mil but the Reds owe Phillips $19. Throw in $2 mil and it's a wash.
The Reds want to shed the $14 they owe Arroyo, so take this 200IP a year innings eater off their hands to make this deal happen. Give them their choice of one of our lower cost 2B's or a prospect or two and a second tier pitcher like Marshall, Gorz or even Smardz to fill the holes opened on their roster.
The cost to the Cubs would be around +$6 a year for the next two years which is within reason. And the Reds would save $12 next year.
Plus, Dusty Baker really likes Milton Bradley, or so he said when he was managing the Cubs.
#19 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
I thought after Dusty had lunch with Milton they decided not to go after him.
After 2005?
#18 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/11/reds-talk-vo...
fwiw, Jocketty doesn't seem inclined that he needs to start shedding players to make his budget...at least not substantially.
#15 Re: Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Randy Winn or Marlon ...
So when does Fuld get to prove himself? He turns 28 this month. He hit nearly .300 in 100 abs with an OBP of over .400. He hit .400 a couple of seasons back in the AZ league. And he consistently makes doubles into outs in center. The problem with starting Fuld in center is that we really need another power bat in the lineup, preferably left handed, and that would leave only middle infield to add that player -- not much there. And since I really don't think Bradley's going anywhere, our best bet may be to save a few bucks by starting Fuld in center, do a straight L - R platoon in RF with Fuku and Bradley, and have Bradley also get in some games in LF hitting left handed against some tough righties who might give Soriano problems. The fact remains if Soto and Soriano don't improve over this year it doesn't matter who we add in center.
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