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Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

This hasn't been confirmed yet, but Larry Stone of the Seattle Times is reporting that Carlos Silva will be traded to the Cubs for Milton Bradley. Earlier in the morning, "Monsters of the Midway" (I believe that's Mike North and Dan Jiggetts) said a trade of Bradley to the Mariners was going to happen as well. I also heard Larry Stone on XM radio on my drive in and he said the same thing and that the deal should be announced today or tomorrow.

Seattle always made sense as a possible destination for Bradley, low key media market, opportunity to DH, need some OBP help and they had a terrible contract they wanted to unload. The question was would they take on the Bradley headache and would Hendry be desperate enough to take on Carlos Silva. And apparently he is...

Silva is owed $11.5M in 2010 and $11.5M in 2011 with a 2012 mutual option of $12M with a $2M buyout...that's $25M total compared to $21M owed Bradley, so I would assume they would split the difference or at least get the Mariners to pay the buyout. According to Cot's, Bradley is owed $9M this year and $12M next season, which means if it's a straight up deal, the Cubs added $2.5M to their 2010 payroll. We don't know the full details yet though, so I'm hoping Hendry worked it somehow that it wouldn't further hamper the Cubs 2010 efforts.

There's nothing good to say about Carlos Silva. He's absolutely terrible. When the Mariners signed him two years ago, all of us stat nerds thought it was one of the dumbest things on the planet and that's exactly what it turned out to be. Silva - playing in the very pitcher friendly Safeco - has had ERA's of 6.46 and 8.60 his two seasons there. He did miss most of 2009 with shoulder issues, and althought he avoided surgery, he missed from early May to late September and then made just two bullpen appearances, giving up runs in both games. His career numbers are 60-64 with a 4.72 ERA, a 1.41 WHIP and a laughable 3.8 K/9 rate. He tops that off with a 11.0 H/9 rate (yes, more than a hit an inning and over 12 H/9 the last 2 years). If you thought Jason Marquis was a problem, wait till you see Carlos Silva.

I really don't see why the Cubs just didn't release Bradley rather than wasting roster space and time on Silva. I think the odds are close to 75% that they just end up releasing Carlos Silva in 2010. For the time being, if he isn't on the DL, I assume Silva will compete for a rotation spot in spring training and eventually be the most expensive bullpen arm of the Cubs.

UPDATE: Well everyone is confirming this is happening now...Muskat, Heyman, Tim Brown, Kapman...Merry Effin Christmas Cubs Fans.

UPDATE #2: The Cubs are getting $9M from the Mariners according to Sullivan, so they have that going from them. I would assume it's coming in installments over the next few years rather than one bulk sum in 2010, but we'll wait and see. If by some minor miracle it's all coming in 2010, then the Cubs would be paying just $2.5M for Silva in 2010 and Hendry just found himself $9M under the sofa cushions to throw at Marlon Byrd and Matt Capps or Kelvim Escobar. I'm not sure that's any better.

UPDATE #3: Cubs and Seattle Mariners trade history has been updated.

UPDATE #4: Hendry speaks and takes responsibility for the signing not working out. Cubs play at Seattle in the middle of June next season during my birthday...just in case you wanted to get something for your favorite Cubs blogger.

UPDATE #5: Bradley was apparently owed $22M, not $21M, so the Cubs are saving $6M as has been reported. $25M they owe Silva-$9M they're getting from Mariners = $16M. $22M - $16M = $6M in savings.

UPDATE #6: Cubs will get $3M each year over the next 3 seasons, net savings in 2010 will be $0.5M.

UPDATE #7: Wittenmyer says the Cubs are getting the $9M over two seasons with $5.5M coming for 2010.

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#1 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

Kapman and Heyman verify that this is happening...

#2 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

Musket twittered about it, I put the link in the previous post.

#3 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

Perhaps Silva needs more surgery and we can at least get the insurance money for him...

#4 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

depends on the insurance, but assuming he passes his physical magically and then goes under the knife for the same injury, I imagine the insurance might deny that claim...

#5 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

fuck FUck FUCK

I take it all back, Manny. Every word of it. Hendry should have been fired YEARS ago.

#7 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

Wow...so....we are paying more for a terrible pitcher, to get rid of Bradley....AND we still need a CF or RF??

Hendry is hilarious....hahahahaha.....

I can't wait to order my Silva Cubs jersey.

#130 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

"#48 Re: Cubs Rumor Round-Up; Pineiro, Cameron, Sheets & More
Submitted by Ahone Ahtwo Ahthree on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 4:50pm.
I'm definitely not for dumping Bradley for a team's overpaid total stiff (like Silva), but there was something to the notion of bad juju in the clubhouse last year. I believe that stuff like bad juju can affect winning and losing, but Milton's poor attitude was one of many factors that snowballed into a crap season last year. If only dumping MB would guarantee 95 wins again!"

WHY OH WHY DID THIS HAVE TO COME TRUE??

#70 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

It's ok Andrew. Sometimes it takes some people a little longer to come around.

#72 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

MANNY!!!

Good to see you!!

I'm too wanting Hendry fired now.

#83 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

Not me, I'll go the "blame Lou" route. Maybe start a "bring back Dusty" campaign. :) Kidding, manny.

#87 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

Thanks for joining the campaign!

#86 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

Thanks. *sheepish grin*

Let's be honest though. It was Dusty that ruined Hendry in the first place.

#6 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

This falls into the "does not compute" category. Carlos Silva, really? Why not just cut Bradley, or offer to eat his entire salary in exchange for a marginal prospect?

Hopefully there's more to this than is being reported right now, like the M's eating a big chunk of his salary or sending an actual prospect along in the deal.

#8 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

Maybe he can play center field.

#17 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

He doesn't have the arm for it.

#9 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

I wonder if the Cubs have some sort of disability insurance that kicks in if Silva spends the next two years on the DL?

#10 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

Muskat:

The deal will be made official once Major League Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig approves the transaction because of the money involved.

Commissioner approval means at least $1MM changing hands, right? Better be a lot more than $1MM.

#11 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

update to post, $9m on its way from Mariners...

#12 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

Let's hope it's all in 2011 and Hendry will never see it.

#13 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

Ughhhh

Wonder what Byrd will sign with us for now? We should make a TCR contest to see who gets the closest.

I'll start..... 3 Years 33 Million

year one 7 Million, then 13 million per year 2 and 3

#15 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

3/24M was his asking price, doesn't seem like that's out there...

2/12M with some incentives is my guess

and yeah I know you were sort of kidding...

#19 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

Milton's asking price last offseason was 3/24

Hendry negotiated it into 3/30

#20 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

Milton's asking price last offseason was 3/24

sarcasm? or you have a link?

#21 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

Just frustrated.

I can't think of a time where a team willingly tore apart a 97 game winner, in an effort to tinker with it?

I hope Ricketts flushes these clowns out of the Organization and brings in somebody with some vision.

#153 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

We switched closers, 2b and traded Emdonds for Bradley. I wouldn't quite call that "tore apart". Unless, of course, you mean the big Cedeno and Pie trades.

#155 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

CLE would be more than willing to get rid of wood's contract.

#167 Re: 153 TRN

I do agree with what you're saying, however when that 2B covers your ass almost all over the diamond, the closer is the longest-tenured member of your team (and arguably one of the most-loved by fans, and home-grown to boot), and both are touted as "Clubhouse Leaders", it does make a hell of a difference, even if it's just in our minds (or hearts)

#23 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

Rob,

Do you see Hendry getting Byrd for anything less than Full asking price?

#29 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

well since the only full asking price I've heard of is 3/24 for Byrd, then yes...

#14 Re: Nightmare Fuel: Bradley to be Traded for Carlos Silva

Maybe they can use the $9 million to pay for Matt Holliday or Jason Bay through June with an option for July through September.

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