Cubs in Baseball America Top 100 Prospects

The Baseball America Top 100 prospects list for 2010 is out. Here is where the Cubs placed:

Starlin Castro - 16th

Josh Vitters - 70th

Brett Jackson - 74th

Andrew Cashner - 95th

Jay Jackson - 98th

Once again, Baseball America flips some prospects on their top 100 list from their top 10 organization lists. In this case, they had Brett Jackson #2 and Vitters #3 on the Cubs list, but ranked Jackson below Vitters on their top 100 list. It's happened a few times in the past as well.

The five Cubs are the most placed on the top 100 since 2008. Castro at 16th is the highest Cubs ranking since Mark Prior and Juan Cruz were 2nd and 6th in all of baseball in 2002. It's the highest position ranking since Corey Patterson landed 3rd and 2nd in 2000 and 2001. You can always view past lists at Wiklifield.

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Wow, we have really had some top 10 BUSTS over the past 10 years, haven't we? Yikes!!

And on top of that you have Soto saying he started hitting better when he quit listening to the coaches.

Kapman is posting a bunch on Twitter...

start here:
http://twitpic.com/14xv9o

or here:
http://twitter.com/thekapman

rated as his best tool, got a 75 grade (out of 80).

others on the list:
Jackson: Fastball, 60
Vitters: Power, 65
Jackson: Power, 65
Castro: Bat, 65

Tools are scaled from 20-80, right? I never understood that scale...

yeah, 20-80 grading scale usually by increments of 5

good primer on it
http://orioles.scout.com/2/552789.html

Someone at BP was theorizing that it 10 points actually represented standard deviations from the mean (average MLB player is 50). I tend to think that's a coincidence, but it's a curious one.

God...there's a lot of "never-were's" on those lists...Justin Jones..Ryan Harvey..Nic Jackson..Dave Kelton...Pat Cline..Jessie Hollins...Ty Griffin...Earl Cunningham...ugh.

justin jones would have been a good one...ryan harvey was the cubs king of batting practice homers, too. too bad baseball isn't a HR derby.

ty and earl...ugg...

I saw Earl play in Peoria many years ago...he looked the part...but he never saw a pitch, or a meal, that he didn't like..

Ty Griffin really surprised me. He was the guy who was going to push Sandberg to third. I remember seeing him play for Team USA and thinking "There's a major leaguer", then being ecstatic when the Cubs got him.

Man...just disappointed seeing some of those names...lol. Griffin's swing never made the switch from aluminum bats to wood...or something.

That was the frustrating thing. His first year with a wooden bat was quite a good one. It was the second year, he fell apart, never to recover.

The word going around was substance abuse, but I never heard it confirmed. When Walton started having his problems, he was referred to as Griffen Jr.

Walton's substance was twinkies soaked in beer. He ate himself out of an MLB career.

Just to make matters worse, the Sux drafted Ventura with the pick after Griffen.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?year...

funny thing is if it wasn't for having 1 hand abbott would have easily been the #1 overall.

it wasn't until mark prior rolled up that a college pitcher that good was in the draft and polished/ready.

Ben McDonald in 1989 draft?

~realized I was the only one who has not irked you yet today~

ben mcdonald got a golden spikes award and that's about where that ends.

crunch totally knew McDonald was going to bomb.

He also predicted the 1980 Olympics hockey results.

mcdonald was pretty damn popular with baseball card collectors, but he didn't have a sullivan award, a victory over cuba, or a chunk of the hype of abbott.

i'm not saying he wasn't good, but people were waiting on abbott a year before he got drafted.

shame he never tamed his control problems, but no one ever hit him well.

the guy went straight to the majors skipping over the minors because he was ready out-of-the-box whether people felt he was due for a HOF career or not. he stuck, too.

Man, talk about "totally made up".

McDonald was a better prospect than Abbott, no one thought Abbott was going to be an ace, what a lot of people thought he was was a guaranteed #2 starter, which was pretty much correct. It's like saying John Olerud was a better prospect than Will Clark.

yeesh.

yeah, mcdonald was hot stuff.

abbott was hyped for over a year and 1/2. the dude won a sullivan award.

mlb was waiting for him and when they got him he spent 0 time in the minors and had a nice middle-rotation career going until he ran into injuries.

mcdonald was rushed, too, but people didn't feel as confident he was mlb-ready as abbott was.

troof.

Abbott was a story because he had one hand, but he probably wouldn't have won the Sullivan award without overcoming that challenge. His fielding was fine, and his hitting was passable. Why wouldn't he be drafted #1 if he was the greatest ballplayer in 10 years?

because he had 1 hand...because there were arm concern before he signed anyway...god only knows why other passed. mark prior was a #2 pick, himself, over money.

i think you underestimate the sullivan award and the buzz it gave him...along with all the buzz before he won it.

the guy had more in his arm than a good story, though it did help his visibility.

his move to MLB post-draft wasn't really much of an issue. it was a foregone conclusion. he was pretty f'n polished.

So was John Olerud, and he even had a great story, but he wasn't a consensus #1.

If Abbott had two fully functioning hands, maybe 1 in 10 risk adverse scouts take him #1 over a guy like McDonald. He plain old didn't throw hard enough.

no baseball player has before or since won a sullivan.

abbott didn't have mcdonald's upside, but abbott was mlb ready and was considered so before his senior year started.

there was little doubt in many people's mind that abbott was ready for MLB.

I guess I am a little confused, what the Sullivan award has to do with really, anything that has to do with MLB.

the sullivan award is given to the best amateur athlete in the country and it's not a "softball" type of award.

damn, this is getting skinny.

awesome.

I know what it is, it's a popularity award. I am really interested to hear your take on how J.J. Redick and Jessica Long were the best prospects in their respective sports.

this thread is as thin as your logic.

awesome.

more awesome

okay, just silly.

Ever hear of Bo Jackson? Are you pretending that he wasn't the best amateur athlete?

Big Ben was a pretty damn good pitcher until injuries hit. 78 wins in only about 6-7 full seasons. Out of Baseball before he was 30.

Ty Griffin...holy sh!t.

I'll have a nightmare now.

Most of the players on the list crapped out. Is that a reflection of the Cubs ability to develope talent or BB America's ability to put list together. I suspect a bit of both. I wonder how other organizations would measure up on prospects developing.

Seeing the Cubs have not developed a MLB player since Mark Grace, I would guess bad.

RoY's and Cy Young candidates don't count.

Soto doesn't count?

zambrano and a slew of other pitchers, too.

i would count mark prior, but mark prior didn't need a second of coaching. he was ready to go the minute he was signed and his stint in the minors was practically a "can you? well, damn you can." formality

Again, Soto said he only started hitting well once he stopped taking advice from Cubs coaching.

so he reverted back to his former...wait, no.

so he learned how to watch video and adjust himself?

what he do anyway?

From a layperson point of view, it appears the Cubs need some new batting coaches in the minor leagues. It's a reductionist point of view, I know, but only because I don't know how the process of developing a prospect into a major league hitter works. To support this theory we have Geovanny Soto saying he didn't start hitting well until he stopped listening to Cubs coaching.

We've seen prospect after prospect fail in the Cubs organization.

I would say the Cubs have done an above average job with pitchers.

When did Soto say that again?

I recall Soto saying he just simply started swinging harder and some stuff about simplfying things. Not sure if there was anything as dramatic as ignoring all previous coaching...but maybe there are some quotes out there.

The quote below is from USAT but Soto is also on record with SI with the same information.

Soto said that when he came up with the Cubs the other catchers all were driving the ball harder than he was capable of and he couldn't compete so they had him Therioting the ball to right field just trying to get base hits. He also said that when he went to the plate he was trying to remember all the various tips the hitting coaches gave him and it made him timid and stiff.

Jorge L. Ortiz, USA Today, 7-8-2008

As he approached the 2007 season, his third on the 40-man roster, he felt it was time to swing freely.

"I let go of my timidity and would go to the plate more loose," says Soto, who has struck out 78 times but also owns a .373 on-base percentage. "I took it like this was my last chance and I would enjoy the game, play without pressure and let the chips fall where they may."

FWIW other reporters have Von Joshua telling him to start swinging more freely.

That's 100% mental and 0% physcial, fwiw.

I do recall Soto saying he just started swinging harder, fwiw.

His story never seemed that damning of the coaching to be honest.

I forgot to write everyday player.
They can develop pitching, hell they can turn catchers into pitchers.

Soto- we'll see.

I'm suprised no one brought up Theriot.

Ideally, Theriot is a bench player.

BBA has high end scout and player development coach input not only from the team they're coming from, but also from others teams' scouting.

upside is upside...they can't ignore a guy who scouts are fawning over because they haven't made it past A-ball waiting for numbers to show them something.

Bad scouting, bad concept of what makes an ML player. (Cubs have fixed this.)

Two examples: Luis Montanez and Eric Patterson. Both drafted as middle infielders, neither one could hack the defensive part.

Does ML baseball have enough left-field spots to accommodate players like Montanez and Patterson?

It really helps to be able to play one of the serious defensive positions. Matt Murton is another one who can tell you that.

Crunch, I think you make a good point. The logical conclusion is that the Cubs may have signed and drafted well, but failed to develope the talent they had.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_articl...

thought that one was pretty bad myself, someone doesn't understand what BA tries to do.

swing and a miss...

wait...is this satire? har...

Just saw one of the best and original baseball shows in a long time.

On MLB network Bob Costas interviewed three retired MLB umps- Bruce Froemming, Palone, and the guy who blew the call against Cards in 85 WS.

If you can find it watch it, very interesting perspective and one rarely heard. Called Studio 42 with Bob Costas.

Best story- Ump was behind plate in late 70's and Yanks were blowing out a team. Lou was at bat, pitch came over ump just yelled strike.

Lou steps out and asks "Do you know where that pitch was at?"

Ump-"Lou, you know your not suppose to end a sentence with a preposition?"

Lou was stunned, step back in batters box.
As pitcher wound up, Lou steps out and calls time.

Lou says "Do you know where that pitch was at...a$$hole?"

That's the punch line of a really old joke, also

(On Harvard's campus...)

Tourist: Excuse me, can you tell me where the bathroom is at?

Student (in pretentious tone): We here at Harvard do not end our sentences with prepositions.

Tourist: Oh okay, do you know where the bathroom is at, asshole?

a lot of costas's "Studio 42" shows are good on MLB Network...except the mays one which was softball as hell mostly because mays has answered every question there is to answer about everything already.

but yeah...it was nice to see post-retirement froe...and of course pallone (who's looking well).

I saw that about 2 months back...very entertaining.

Mark McGwire provides some insight into Pujols swing. Take a peek. I wonder why hitting coaches are considered by some to be overrated?

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4939439

roids don't pay off. not only will you not make money, but you'll be shunned from the game.

kids...don't do it. there's no benefit.

Pujols has doughboy arms.

mcdonald was pretty damn popular with baseball card collectors, but he didn't have a sullivan award, a victory over cuba, or a chunk of the hype of abbott.

McDonald had way more hype than Abbott. He was basically Mark Prior when he was drafted, an absolute sure thing.

the sullivan award is given to the best amateur athlete in the country and it's not a "softball" type of award.

it's also not for being a great baseball player...

...the AAU Sullivan Award goes far beyond athletic accomplishments and honors those who have shown strong moral character.
and

i think you underestimate the sullivan award and the buzz it gave him...along with all the buzz before he won it.

Charlie Ward, JJ Reddick are some other past winners...think you might be overestimating a bit there. Actually I'm feel pretty safe in saying your full of shit on this one.

Maybe I am misremembering, but I am pretty sure I remember TWIB doing a interview with McDonald in the Baltimore stadium as it was under construction. They didn't call it "the House that Ben Built" but it was sure implied.

i have no idea how anyone missed the abbott buzz if they were around to have it shoved in their face.

it was a national thing, not a local thing.

the guy didn't spend a minute in the minors for a reason. he deserved his sullivan award, too. for the wards and reddicks there's plenty...WAY WAY more on-target marks on their award. this isn't considered a softball award by anyone last time i checked.

sure, the guy is a feel-good story, but he was not easy at all to hit on the amateur level and he had a nice olympics to go with his final few college years.

teams thought he was MLB-ready out of the box and the one that gave him a chance pretty much confirmed it.

just because the guy didn't roll in to get a cy young doesn't mean he wasn't a legit talent. guys just don't waltz into the majors and stick.

I didn't miss it. Abbot got a lot of hype for his talent as much as his story, but everyone but you apparently knows he got the Sullivan award for both of those aspects.

McDonald was the one that everyone thought was the next sure thing, not Abbott.

Someone fed you some bad info...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?c...

someone else seems to remember and document that abbott seemed to be a "big fucking deal"

...just saying

i lived through abbott and mcdonald, btw...if you want to contend mcdonald had hype, enough to say he was enough to be the last major hyped college guy...sure, i'll concede that.

but to pretend abbott wasn't a huge deal or a legit straight-from-college-to-majors talent...i dunno at all about that.

but to pretend abbott wasn't a huge deal or a legit straight-from-college-to-majors talent...i dunno at all about that.

Abbott had tons of hype, never said otherwise, but it wasn't just for his talent...people were intrigued by his story just as much. I'll also add he would have never gone straight to the majors if not for the Olympics. He was drafted in '88, played the Olympics and then had spring training to earn his spot on the team. Had there been no Olympics, he would have undoubtedly played some in the minors in '88.

McDonald was the guy everyone thought was going to be the next perpetual Cy Young winner. I remember his first start in '90 being a huge deal, although the O's already had him in the their pen after just 2 outings in the minors in '89. But the O's were still working off the Earl Weaver model of letting pitchers get acclimated in the majors through the pen.

story or no story you don't get to come to the majors and stay if you don't have "the shit."

and seriously...the sullivan is a very legit award.

i just count the hype over abbott and his eventual drafting/playing as more similar to the hype for prior...going from "really?" to "really!" before the dude even starts his last year.

sure, part of abbott's appeal to the media/fans was his freak show thing, but the guy earned his hype. he was not a side-show when he went straight from draft to the major leagues without a minute in the minors.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball...

would open up a bench spot and rid the team of Andres Blanco which would be nice. Bad thing, is they'd never pinch-hit for Theriot because Lou would be afraid of Fontenot having to play defense there.

either way it's a decent idea to let lou get in his head if he's an option in fontenot.

i'd love to have the luxury of blanco off the bench because his 2nd and SS are both excellent, but i also fear this would just be an excuse to rush castro, too.

i'd hope they'd at least use this chance to keep tracy or another power bat around on the bench rather than that, though.

from what lou/hendry has said about castro...and the new vet invited pickups...it might work out that way. way too early to say, though. woo spring.

Keeping Fontenot and getting rid of Andres Blanco would literally make my head explode.

I don't see it happening. I don't believe Lou will ever use Fontenot at SS outside of spring training. Remember in 2008 when he started a game with Fontenot at short, the guy made one error, and Lou switched him and DeRo for Fontenot to never see another inning at SS?

Lou was a big fan of Fontenot, at one point, wasn't he?

It's deja vu all over again.

December 2008:

Mike Fontenot will see more time this spring at shortstop as the Cubs try to find someone who can give Ryan Theriot a break. Jeff Samardzija will be stretched out and start in Cactus League games -- "I think his future is as a starter," Piniella said

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...

''Oh, no,'' the manager said, ''We're not going to ask him to do that. We're going to stick with it this way. We're going to keep him in an RBI spot.''

awesome. now all we need is soto to get his bat together.

worried about theriot keeping his worth...both running and with his ob%...he relies a lot on smacking singles around. fuku i'm not worried about in the #1 or #2 slot, though it seems he'd be a better #2 hitter, ideally (not whole roster ideally...real use, ideally).

In case you all were wondering, I'm also willing to lead off.

Nice, John! I think you speak for the field, here.

Soriano is now Cedeno dumb.

Look, you have no legs and no batting eye. You are not a leadoff hitter!!!

(five more years)

You know what you should work on???

(FIVE MORE YEARS)

Flailing at breaking pitches 5 feet out of the zone!!!!!!!!!!

(FIVE MORE F'NING YEARS)

~deep breath~

First step, when you see the catcher out of the corner of your eye sitting behind the left hand hitters box, be guessing breaking pitch away.

Next step, DON'T SWING!!

He doesn't need to work on that...he's already great at that!!

Thank you..I be here all ze week....

What's the Sullivan award?

I care even less about this award after looking at this list. Tim Tebow, and a shitload of figure skaters and divers.

Not to mention the twins who won it...

It's not about talent, it's about the best story of someone who has done very well in some athletic endeavor. Everyone agrees on that except, well crunch, who thinks it's somehow significant to MLB.

wrong.

...and fail.

if you don't have talent to begin with no one cares how nice you are.

what part of straight-to-majors-without-minors-or-going-back is lost on you?

is your list of 100s of those guys too long to parse?

he earned it...get over it.

crunch

Here's two more things you obviously dont' know. The MLB draft is in June. The MLB Season starts in April or occasionally late March, which follows spring training.

John Olerud went straight to the majors. It took Jim Abbott 8 months to get there.

nope.

and where is john olerud's golden spike and sullivan?

or does the golden spike award not count because auggie schmidt won it once?

i don't know why you're having an issue with this.

a guy waltzed right into the majors after 1.5 years of hype and this isn't special...happens every day...and he got some awards he didn't deserve because people feel sorry for him, not because he earned it. fine.

i don't know why you're having an issue with this.

because you're trying to bullshit your way through something...

Jim Abbott was never the juggler that John Olerud was.

End 'O' Subject!!!!!!

with proof?

let's see...a packed house in anaheim...media circus...many teams who would be willing to start him straight out of college...international wins over cuba (first in 2+ decades) and japan in pan am and olympics...2 major amateur sports awards...

is it worth mentioning a mid-90s fastball or his other stuff?

how about his spring training quotes about whether he can make the jump when questioned by others who don't like how he's used 1 arm his whole life? yes, there were multiple teams who thought he could start as-is. i don't run these teams, btw. just to clear that up...

it's not bullshit. it's in print for those that missed it.

it's that stuff i referenced. i didn't write it. the guy was destined to start right out of being drafted...and he did...and he stuck.

you'd think this guy was a freak show with no skills rather than a freak show who had high skills.

if this was going on RIGHT NOW none of you would be talking about him like he's a charity case.

want me to paste more proof? link more proof? this isn't coming out of thin air.

let's see...a packed house in anaheim...media circus..

imagine that, the story of a one-armed pitcher in the major leagues receiving media attention

many teams who would be willing to start him straight out of college

but 7 unwilling to draft him...

is it worth mentioning a mid-90s fastball or his other stuff?

not really, clearly he could pitch or he wouldn't have made the majors or been drafted 8th overall

you'd think this guy was a freak show with no skills rather than a freak show who had high skills.

nobody said that

want me to paste more proof? link more proof? this isn't coming out of thin air.
yes please, post the quotes saying because he won the Sullivan award he was the consensus top pick in the 1988 draft and the only reason he was passed by in the draft was because of his one arm. Also the quotes saying the Sullivan award was just for his on-field contributions.

As well as the quotes saying that he would have started right in the majors in 1988 if there were no Olympics and wouldn't have gone to the minors.

I didn't say the guy wasn't a talented pitcher or massively hyped, one-armed pitchers with major league talent tend to get that.

your contentions though that his talent(not his story) was more hyped than Ben McDonald, that anyone cared about the Sullivan award when trying to project his major league performance or that him making the majors without any minor league games didn't have something to do with playing in the '88 Olympics and having spring training to make the team are bullshit.

you act like jim abbott didn't have the buzz unless it was about him being a freak.

you seem to think he didn't earn his golden spike or his sullivan. you also seem to think the sullivan isn't a major award, but some other sideshow.

how many guys do you hear scouts and teams saying "this guy is mlb-ready" and REALLY mean it. seriously?

for all the 1-arm stuff, the guy had STUFF. it was legit stuff. the 1-arm crap is a nice story, but if he didn't have legit stuff to go along with it...

well...

1- you don't get major awards for it
2- you don't get to start in 2 major international competitions and get to start vs. the hardest teams
3- you don't have teams saying you're ready to go right out of college
4- you don't have the guy in question fielding questions by reporters asking him why some teams think he may not be ready
5- you sure as hell don't stick around if they try you out and you're not ready

he's not little timmy from the special olympics or some dude with autism who's really good at shooting free throws.

we heard about this dude for 2 years...he won a golden spike as a f'n sophomore. he dominated international competition back when college kids made up team USA and they played against other country's pros.

guy had a 95mph fastball and a HARD slider...also a curve. All 3 were refined and everyone knew it. THAT is why he was moved so fast...because he was MLB-ready out of the box. You don't just stumble into that.

...and i never EVER said or hinted "he won the Sullivan award he was the consensus top pick in the 1988 draft"

...and if you think you don't have to have an athletic base to even be considered for the sullivan it must be new award territory for you.

Sorry, but they give the award to 12 year old para-olympians.

your mom.

snap.

yeah...they also give it a lot more to people who are hell of an athlete. if you want to believe he didn't deserve it or the award is crap...that's up to you.

aside from dragging out articles written about him in college, pre-draft, spring training, talking about how he's mlb-ready, why some teams feared him only using one arm his whole life and if he's ready to throw 200+ip on it...etc...well *shrug*

you act like jim abbott didn't have the buzz unless it was about him being a freak.

no I didn't, clearly he pitched well in the Olympics and international competition and was good enough to be drafted 8th overall. But his "freak" status did make him a lot more interesting to the general public. You think he carried the US Flag in the Olympics while playing for a demonstration sport just because of his talent?

you seem to think he didn't earn his golden spike or his sullivan. you also seem to think the sullivan isn't a major award, but some other sideshow.

I never once mentioned the golden spike award, now you're just making stuff up.

I think the sullivan award is a major award given for talent and leadership and overcoming obstacles. But if he had 2 arms, he wouldn't have won it.

how many guys do you hear scouts and teams saying "this guy is mlb-ready" and REALLY mean it. seriously?

I hear it all the time. How do you know they REALLY meant it with Abbott?

and mlb-ready doesn't necessarily mean he's the most talented or best player fwiw, it's just that his skills are ready for the majors and don't need much refining.

for all the 1-arm stuff, the guy had STUFF. it was legit stuff. the 1-arm crap is a nice story, but if he didn't have legit stuff to go along with it...

never argued that, not sure why you keep coming back to it. He had good stuff on top of a fascinating story. But there were pitchers who were considered more talented and with higher upsides...like Ben McDonald.

...and i never EVER said or hinted "he won the Sullivan award he was the consensus top pick in the 1988 draft"

you did say: i think you underestimate the sullivan award and the buzz it gave him and funny thing is if it wasn't for having 1 hand abbott would have easily been the #1 overall.

...and if you think you don't have to have an athletic base to even be considered for the sullivan it must be new award territory for you.

I didn't think they gave it to ballerinas. You seem to think he won it almost exclusively because of his baseball accomplishments and that major league teams gave much of a crap when considering drafting him.

btw...

i don't know how old you guys are, but are you guys old enough to remember 88/89 clearly?

nope, I'm 10...

but Abbott/McDonald and the '88 Olympics were in the prime of my adolescence and baseball craziness if you must know.

if I recall past conversations(possible I don't recall them correctly) I'm older than you, mid 30's and I'll leave it at that.

Who the f' brought up Ben McDonald?

~I was late teens in 89~

Old bastages

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-cubs...

"New Cubs owner Ricketts addresses team"
via AP

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/24/sports/base...

"Baseball Plans to Test for H.G.H. in Minors"
NY Times

Crunch posting at 3:10 am. Where's my coffee?

You know what's a shame? Mordecai "3 fingers" Brown never won the Sullivan Award. There's an injustice.

Is Koyie Hill still eligible?

Pete Gray?

You said the magic words!

My favorite Cub after reading this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Three-Finger-Mordecai-B...

He should've won it. Screw Paul Hamm!

I'm just amazed someone hasn't cut off their own finger to get that kind of spin on a baseball since then.

No kidding. It wouldn't shock me. Maybe we should move Koyie to the mound.

I volunteer Silva.

/probably bleed gravy

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crunch is a contract technical writer. 3pm...3am...same thing.

The Royals are bring sued. Plus they're hiring.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sns-ap-b...

offtopic.... I'm moving to Milwaukee in August. (just found out) I want tickets but the ticket icon on the cubs site isn't available. (for games in september) Does that really mean they are already sold out?

Nope, Brewers single game tickets don't go on sale til Friday.

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kaplan-...

"Wow, I hadn't heard his comments and I really don't agree with that. Look, I had bad mechanics back then and it was very hard for me to try to correct them when what I was doing was working. I remember many times thinking that I wish Jim would leave me in the game because I still felt strong."

"Look, I had bad mechanics back then"

Some would say you still have them.

I wish he had left him in game 3 of the NLDS.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/comp...

would have liked a little more on defense, but some good insight in it. Bryan Smith goes back to the all-baseball.com days if people don't remember him.

ah cool, he replied in the comments that he'll be talking about their defense tomorrow in an article.

Just to follow up your comment, I don't reallly understand the why the comparison was only on middle infielders, since we're just talking about hitting. He's bigger than Templeton, and didn't have the pleasure of playing in the Texas league so the ISO numbers while not totally invalid certainly don't tell all of the story. At this point, I'd say his ceiling is higher than that.

Didn't we all agree he was going to be Tony Fernandez earlier? That's more where I see him projecting out to.

middle infielders seemed appropriate to me, that's what Castro is afterall and Smith was curious was other 20-yr old middle infielders did with their careers if brought up that early. That was the question he asked and he answered it for the most part with the 2nd half of it coming tomorrow.

He already seemed to acknowledge that he thought Castro would be better than Templeton and fwiw, Tony Fernandez ended up with 39.4 total WAR for his career.

But maybe Castro finds some power and maybe he finds second base as well. I'd be thrilled if he turns into Roberto Alomar myself.

anyway, no use in me defending someone else's article, he has comments open over there if you have questions or concerns. I just found it interesting, not some holy grail, in the end it's all pretty disposable.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/

up to 80 wins and 2nd place now....

kevin millar is a f'n god.

Captain Obvious here. I suppose if the 4 "main" starters can get 14-15 wins each, it will be difficult for the team not to at least pull a .500 record. But, with the most consistent starter missing the first month, and the ball pretty dead in the early going, there is potential for this club to go 12/12 the first month or 10/14, even.

But as has been discussed ad nauseum, too many question marks, and not much of a bench to speak of.

But, at least Mr. Ricketts is impressed.

Good to see this team has some fight in it!

In other news. I need to get resmarted.

I just realized I can view new comments merely by reloading the page. I didn't know it'd behave like the 'new comments' button.

Now I know.
...and knowing is half the battle.

Boy, that 2004 list doesn't give you much faith in BA's evaluation, does it?

Angel Guzman - 26th
Justin Jones - 56th
Ryan Harvey - 65th
Andrew Sisco - 77th
Felix Pie - 85th
Bobby Brownlie - 92nd

fwiw, someone, somewhere that I just read posted that in a chat they read that anyone past 70 is pretty much a long shot to have much of a career.

Is that a hindsight applied only to players who peaked below 70? Or is it the guess at the time the list is made: As in, as of 2004 we view Felix Pie to be a long shot to have much of a career (but not as long a shot as anyone who doesn't appear on this list)?

as in coming from BA when they make the list...

Gotcha. Thanks.

Maybe they got that rule of thumb backwards?

2002
Mark Prior - 2nd
Juan Cruz - 6th
Hee Seop Choi - 40th
Dave Kelton - 45th
Bobby Hill-48th
Nic Jackson - 68th
Carlos Zambrano - 80th

heh...

well there's no one who didn't believe in Prior or Cruz at the time...

Z was actually 68th the year before, fwiw.

I am curious about Z coming up in the ranks, seemed like he was basically major league awesome from almost day 1. He certainly had a major league frame.

His stats just weren't that good, and there was always talk of him moving to the bullpen. He was 68th the previous year, according to Wickifield.

You know what would be interesting, is to review the list for guys who are on it 2+ times. My gut instinct is that if you're on it 3 times, you should be moving up it, not down, and your chances of being a significant ML'er are pretty good.

That would be interesting TRN. Definitely hope to see some Cub prospects trending up, not treading water.

About Z tho?
1999: 13-7, 4.17 ERA 153IP in Lo-A, 19 yrs old
2000: 5-6, 2.62 ERA, 6 saves in AA-AAA
2001:10-5, 3.88 ERA, 150IP AAA, 150K-68BB

Is anyone else hoping that Zambrano getting in shape will also mean he'll get his mental act together?

i for one hope his mental act means something aside from acting mental.

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