Cub Bullpen Failure Is Not a Surprise

Derrek Lee crushed a two-run double, Aramis Ramirez and Tyler Colvin had two hits a piece (and Colvin also stole a base and scored two runs), and Ryan Dempster threw five innings of shutout ball before tiring in the 6th, as the Cubs and Royals played to a 5-5 tie in Cactus League action at Surprise Stadium this afternoon.


 


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The game was scoreless through the first three innings, before the Cubs broke-through for a run off Royals starter Luke Hochevar in the top of the 4th. Tyler Colvin rapped a hard-hit ground-single to right with one out, stole 2nd base, and then scored on a two-out RBI single to left-center by Aramis Ramirez. (Suffering from a sore right triceps, Ramirez was the Cubs DH today, and he hit the ball hard twice, settling for singles both times).


The Cubs scored two more runs in the 5th off KC LHRP Dusty Hughes, as Ryan Theriot walked and Tyler Colvin hammered another single to right with no outs. Derrek Lee then crushed a long double off the right-centerfield fence to score Theriot and Colvin, giving the Cubs a 3-0 lead.


Meanwhile, Ryan Dempster was in mid-season form through the first five innings (80 pitches - 50 strikes), allowing no runs on two hits (a lead-off single in the 1st and a lead-off double in the 3rd) and three walks, while striking out six.


Trying to extend him a bit further, Manager Lou Piniella sent Dempster out to start the bottom of the 6th, but the veteran right-hander did not have much left. He gave up a lead-off triple to Alberto Callaspo, a hard-hit sac-fly to RF to Billy Butler, and a double to Jose Guillen, before being relieved by Carlos Marmol.


For the day, Dempster threw 93 pitches (59 strikes), with a 6/5 GO/FO.


Generally speaking, rotation starters are stretched to about 100 pitches by their next-to-last Spring Training start, and then they are usually cut-back to five innings and 75 pitches in their final start prior to the beginning of the MLB regular season. So with two Cactus League starts remaining, Dempster is probably right where he should be, maybe even a bit further along than normal.


Marmol relieved Dempster with one run in, a runner on 2nd, and one out in the 6th, and proceeded to strike out Jason Kendall with some nasty sliders. But then lefty-hitting Brayan Pena got a first-pitch fastball from the Cub closer and drove it high over the RF fence for a game-tying two-run home run.


Marmol also pitched the 7th, and labored a bit through the inning (23 pitches - 12 strikes), walking one batter and hitting another, while also throwing a wild pitch. But with one out and runners on 2nd and 3rd, Marmol got it together and struck out Alberto Callaspo and Billy Butler to end the threat and keep the game tied.


For the day, Marmol worked 1.2 IP, throwing 30 pitches (17 strikes), allowing one run (the HR).


The Cubs took the lead back in the 8th, when Micah Hoffpauir worked a two-out walk off Royals veteran LHRP John Parrish, advanced to 2nd on a wild pitch, and scored on a clutch two-out line single to right by Jeff Baker.


But the Royals came right back against the Cubs LHRP John Gaub in the bottom of the frame, tying the score at four as lefty-hitting Mitch Maier laced a lead-off triple into the right-center alley, and (with the infield drawn-in) scored on an RBI line single to CF by Jason Kendall. Gaub did get out of the inning without further damage (1-3 SH, 6-3, 5-3), however, throwing 20 pitches (13 strikes) with a 3/0 GO/FO.


Still facing lefty John Parrish, the Cubs took the lead once again the top of the 9th, as Kevin Millar rapped a lead-off line-drive single to left, and advanced to 2nd base on a picture-perfect 1-3 sacrifice bunt laid down by Darwin Barney. Sam Fuld struck out and Chris Robinson walked, before ex-Royal Andres Blanco ripped an RBI line-drive single into left-center to score score Millar with the go-ahead run.


But the Cubs bullpen gave up the lead one last time in the bottom of the 9th, as RHRP Marcos Mateo entered the game with a chance for the save. But unfortunately Mateo immediately gave up three consecutive hard-hit singles to Chris Getz, Scott Thorman, and Alberto Calaspo to tie the score 5-5, although he did work out of a bases-loaded jam to keep the score tied through nine innings.


Apparently neither team was interested in playing extra innings, as the game was declared a 5-5 tie and the Cubs headed home to Mesa.


With mediocre outings by John Gaub and Marcos Mateo today on the heels of a piss-poor performance by Rule 5 pick Mike Parisi yesterday, the Cubs are running out of in-house bullpen options. At present it would appear that (barring a trade) the Opening Day pen will be (essentially by default): Carlos Marmol, John Grabow, Esmailin Caridad, either Sean Marshall or Tom Gorzelanny (Marshall gets the start tomorrow and Gorzelanny starts on Thursday, as the two lefties vie for one spot in the rotation), either Carlos Silva or Jeff Samardzija, Justin Berg, and James Russell.


I would think Hendry will probably be stepping-up his pursuit of a veteran MLB set-up man with closer experience, who can be the #1 8th inning set-up guy and close on days when Marmol is unavailable (Marmol throws a lot of pitches-per-inning, and so even if he turns out to be the 2010 N. L. Fireman of thed Year, he probably will not be able to throw more than three days in row). Toronto Blue Jays RHP Jason Frasor would appear to fit the Cubs need perfectly, but of course the Jays know that, too, so the Cubs would probably have to overpay to get him.


31-year old veteran RHRP Mike Adams has pitched very well for San Diego this Spring and would probably be available in a deal if the Cubs would be willing to give up a couple of decent prospects, but he does not have MLB closer experience. (Adams was eligible for salary arbitration for the first time this past off-season, and he and the Padres agreed on a $1.2M contract in lieu of going to abitration).


Getting the start at 3B, veteran Chad Tracy had a bad day today, getting called-out on strikes, grounding into an inning-ending 6-4-3 DP, and flying out to right at the plate, while also throwing a ball away for a two-base error (his only defensive chance of the day) on what should have been a routine 5-3 ground-out.

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Re: Cub Bullpen Failure Is Not a Surprise

adams is f'n bank...if his health holds.

they should trade one or the other while the fans won't give SD too much hell about it. one of them (adams/bell) seems destined to be traded anyway.

Re: Cub Bullpen Failure Is Not a Surprise

From Roto World:

"Adams and the Padres were able to find common ground rather quickly. The 31-year-old reliever had an impressive 0.73 ERA, 0.59 WHIP and 45/8 K/BB ratio in 37 innings last season. He will serve as San Diego's primary setup man this year, manning the eighth inning while Heath Bell handles the ninth."

He has had some "flipper" issues, though. IIRC, doesn't Frasor also have shaky health issues?

Re: Cub Bullpen Failure Is Not a Surprise

Good wrap, Phil.

Do you not feel Cashner would be a better choice? Now that he's been optioned, how soon can the Cubs recall him?

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Submitted by John Beasley on Tue, 03/23/2010 - 7:35pm.
Good wrap, Phil.

Do you not feel Cashner would be a better choice? Now that he's been optioned, how soon can the Cubs recall him?

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JOHN B: Andrew Cashner isn't on the Cubs 40-man roster so he wasn't optioned to the minors. Therefore he can be added to the 40-man roster (and 25-man roster) at any time. But he won't get to Chicago until he learns to throws strikes more consistently. And it's still not clear whether the Cubs will use him as a starter or a closer in 2010, or even whether he begins the year at AAA Iowa or AA Tennessee.

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I would think Hendry will probably be stepping-up his pursuit of a veteran MLB set-up man with closer experience, who can be the #1 8th inning set-up guy and close on days when Marmol is unavailable ...

Hendry already had that guy, Kevin Gregg.

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We need someone who can actually do the job, not throw batting practice.

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I agree. That would be a nice thing.

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Exactly. Like Kevin Gregg... only better.

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Mike McDougal was just released, worth a look? He's had a rough spring, but he did manage 20/21 in save oppos last year, better than Gregg could manage. He'd only cost the big league minimum to try out. Give him a whirl and send Samninja to Iowa?

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Give him a whirl and send Samninja to Iowa

I like the idea, unless McDougal is hurt.

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I was thinking the same thing. Only keep Samjay and send Russell and Gaub to Iowa.

I am not yet in the camp of trading the farm for bullpen parts at this point.

If the Cubs are FIRMLY in the race come July, then kick some tires. Trading upper end prospects to augment a 75 win team doesn't seem like a prudent move.

Re: Cub Bullpen Failure Is Not a Surprise

I thought it was 78 wins.

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dude has the control of carlos marmol with the bat missing abilities of carlos silva.

always a horrible pitcher, imo.

billy kotch had more in his skull than macdougal...all mac does is try to throw this high 90s "thing" past you.

-edit- yes, i realize this is overly harsh. =p i just haven't thought of this guy as a pitcher in many years. he sure as hell is a thrower, though.

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I agree. DO NOT WANT.

Re: Cub Bullpen Failure Is Not a Surprise

Submitted by Jim Hickmans Bat on Tue, 03/23/2010 - 9:37pm.
Mike McDougal was just released, worth a look? He's had a rough spring, but he did manage 20/21 in save oppos last year, better than Gregg could manage. He'd only cost the big league minimum to try out. Give him a whirl and send Samninja to Iowa?

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JIM H: I think it's quite possible that Mike MacDougal will be given a look by the Cubs sometime over the next ten days, presuming MacDougal is interested in pitching for the Cubs.

Re: Cub Bullpen Failure Is Not a Surprise

Mike MacDougal was released by the Marlins. Any chance the Cubs think about picking him up?

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has been in 4 organizations over the last 3 years and had to sign a minor league deal this offseason. He had a 1.520 WHIP last year getting that 20/21 saves.

Maybe on a minor league deal and see how he does in Iowa, but he's pretty sketchy.

Re: Cub Bullpen Failure Is Not a Surprise

keep russell

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My out of the box thought for the bench: bring back Edmonds. He is hitting .286/.390/.457 for the Brewers this spring, but there is talk that the Brewers might not keep him (they also have Jody Gerut) or that Edmonds might not accept a 5th OF position with limited playing time.

Edmonds is the lefty power bench bat that Hoffpauir or Tracy would be, but in addition to playing 1B, RF, and LF, he can also play CF. So you send Fuld, Colvin, and Adduci to the minors, and your bench is: Hill, Baker, Nady, Edmonds, and Blanco. Good LH/RH balance, good experience, good power, good defense.

Will never happen. But I like it.

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I hate it. Ugh--I hope I never see that slow ugly swing again. First-bleacher-row power to the opposite field, preferably near the line where it's about 360. He only gets hits at all because lazy pitchers don't read the scouting report and figure it's always safe to throw breaking balls low outside. Any decent fastball inside gets him out.

If I wanted an inside-out hitter--which I don't--I'd ten times rather have Jaques Jones.

(I was an Edmonds fan before he came to the Cubs, because of his numbers and the glamor associated with the red cap, but then I started looking at him.)

Re: Cub Bullpen Failure Is Not a Surprise

per usual, your light on facts, while he did hit a lot of opposite field home runs, not that many were near the line or around 360 feet.

http://www.hittrackeronline.com/detail.php?id...

shows maybe 2 that were down the line and only 5 of his 17 were less than 370 feet using "true" distance (7 if using standard distance).

not sure if this link will work

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_hi...

7 hr's to left, 1 to cf, 3 to right, none by the line, closest was just left of the well

3 hr's to left @ Miller Park, 1 to right, once again, none really close to the line

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I was working from memory, but if readers follow your hittrackeronline link, it illustrates very well the point I was making about Edmonds' penchant for Wally-Moonshots. In a 20-HR season, he hit three HRs within a 42-degree arc around straightaway center. Thirteen homers were to the left of that arc; four to the right. The 368 sign in Wrigley is to the left of the arc. You're right, though, he doesn't need to hit it down the line. He can reach the seats to the left of 368, particularly if the wind is blowing out.

Anyway, it's a weird swing that produces that graphic. Edmonds is too old to play centerfield and hit like a normal hitter.

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From Gordon Wittenmeyer (I presume, no byline) Sun Times:

"SURPRISE, Ariz. -- The Cubs appear no closer to acquiring a veteran reliever for their young bullpen than they were when they got to Mesa last month.

But enough pitchers have performed well enough this spring -- Tuesday's three blown saves by three different guys notwithstanding -- that the need is looking less urgent to team officials, especially given the difficulty in making a quality trade during spring training."

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/...

Well what do we know anyway? The bullpen is in great shape!

Re: Cub Bullpen Failure Is Not a Surprise

Why trade long term assets for short term gains when those gains aren't likely to result in a world series title.

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Agreed. You don't trade prospects to finish second instead of third---or even just to get into the playoffs--only if it gives you a real shot at the pennant.

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I suppose that is the right call. This team is shaping up to finish 2nd or even 3rd in the Division, imo.

For them to contend for a Playoff spot, they have to rely on a stack of things to go well, and what is the liklihood of of that happening?

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They certainly could contend, but why not wait a couple of months to see how well they get out of the gate. If they fall on their face, trade what you can. If they are in the hunt, try and get what you need.

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The reason that you don't wait a couple months is that games you lose in April and May count the same in the standings as the games you lose in August and September, and it only takes 1 game to keep you from the playoffs.

If you think you're a contender, except for a RH backup closer, then you should find one.

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You are of course correct that the games in April in May count the same, but then I don't think we are a contender.

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To some degree I was playing devil's advocate. Your similiar sentiment was being expressed by a few people and I just wanted to point out that there could be a huge benefit in getting a guy right now.

I think we are contenders - again this is pretty much the same team that could have won 100 games two years ago.

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