Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
Though it sounds like Jim Hendry truly couldn't care less, it's the first day of the Ari Kaplan Era at Wrigley Field. As for the game on the field, mlb.com reports that Randy Wells is looking at today's start against the A's as hitting the reset button on his thus far rocky season.
The irony, of course, is that Wells's employers might not be able to overlook the past quite as easily: since the beginning of May, the righty is 0-5, 6.47. His first-inning troubles have been especially ugly. In 13 Wells starts this year, opponents are hitting .357 against him in the opening inning and Wells's first-inning ERA is a Grabow-esque 11.25. (Stats from Baseball-Reference.com.)
Moreover, all of this is happening while Tom Gorzelanny collects dust in the bullpen—since his last start 22 days ago, Gorzelanny has pitched just three times (1 2/3 IP) and thrown a total of 52 pitches.
The lineups have been posted. You'll note that with the A's starting another lefty, the Cubs' "everyday" right fielder will be sitting for a second consecutive day.
A's vs. Randy Wells (3-5, 5.15; first appearance vs. A's):
Davis 8, Jackson 7, Barton 3, Suzuki 2, Kouzmanoff 5, Cust 9, Ellis 4, Pennington 6, Braden 1
Cubs lineup vs. Dallas Braden (4-6, 3.95; first appearance vs. Cubs)
Theriot 4, Baker 5, Byrd 8, Lee 3, Nady 9, Soriano 7, Soto 2, Castro 6, Wells 1
From the FWIW Department, Marlon Byrd is the only Cub to have faced Braden and has gone 6/16 against him, including 3 doubles. As for Braden, he's 0-4, 4.75 in six starts since his perfect game against Tampa Bay.
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Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 11:07am Permalink
That Hendry comment from that Herald link is bothersome. "Look at Carlos Silva's stats from last year, who needs stats?"
Far too long overdue to get a shift in philosophy in the Cubs Front Office.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 11:23am Permalink
"Chuck Wasserstrom and (now) Ari Kaplan can break down all the numbers they like, but those numbers won't mean much if the general manager isn't paying attention to them."
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/3...
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 11:40am Permalink
I'm glad the media is starting to paint the Hendry could be in trouble narrative.
Guy has gotten a pass for some questionable work for too long now.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 11:39am Permalink
you have a bad habit of not quoting what people are saying, but instead reformatting their quote to your view and slapping quotes around it.
cubs have had a stats guy...it's where those binders full of crap on the back of the dugout come from.
they just have a former wiz-kid "name brand" guy now.
hendry's quote was pointing out if he followed stats blindly we wouldn't have a guy like carlos silva doing what he's doing now. that's not too shocking or outrageous.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 11:41am Permalink
btw, a lot of people are flipping out over the prospect of a guy who's pretty much nothing more than an assistant to chuck w.
it's like expecting the team to turn a corner because they hired a new bench coach.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 11:44am Permalink
Its a shift in philosophy.
Is it turning around 2010? Heck no
Does it signal that we might be looking for a competent GM to helm this ship? Heck yes, and we as fans should be thrilled.
I'd rather this thing be run right, and be set up for a 10 year run. Especially if the Hendry plan is to trade for 30+ name vets to save his own hide.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 11:47am Permalink
how is an assistant to a guy who's been there 20 years a shift in philosophy?
it's a too-common myth that the cubs don't "do" stats, look at stats, or have a guy who assembles them.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 12:00pm Permalink
The most important thing, isn't who was hired or what his reporting relationship is, it is who did the hiring. The farther down the totem pole he is (and crunch seems to be suggesting that he's pretty far down), the worse it makes Hendry's job security seem. It implies that Hendry can't be trusted to hire a need, and that his assistant can't either.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 12:03pm Permalink
Bruce Miles is characterizing the hire as more than just a functionary/assistant to Wasserstrom:
"Cubs owner Tom Ricketts put his first stamp on the baseball department with the hiring of Ari Kaplan as manager of statistical analysis."
From my own, limited, business contact with the Cubs front office, I know that the line between the baseball people and the business people is a significant one--more like a wall than a line. If Ricketts really had a hand in this hire and has chosen to impact the baseball part of his business, as Miles writes, I think this is a newsworthy development.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 2:01pm Permalink
I believe I also read Kaplan reports to Hendry -- so this assistant-to-Chuck-W stuff is dead wrong.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 12:11pm Permalink
the silva trade was a bag shit for a bag of shit trade. thinking hendry knew he had a diamond in the rough is revisionist history .
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 12:17pm Permalink
hendry and crew didn't know what they had...as late as a few weeks ago hendry said when he snagged silva he didn't know if he'd be a innings eater out of the pen or a starter.
there's nothing in the stats that point to what he's doing this year and the "inevitable collapse" of his "luck" is moving into the 1/2 way point of the season.
it's not good stuff in this era for a GM or manager to even look like they're dismissing stats even if they're not. scouting + stats are used by every team, but a lot of people seem to have the idea that only a handful of team have clued-in to the stats thing and it's all happened recently.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 12:39pm Permalink
You're confusing player evalutation with in-game management. Stats for in-game management have been used throughout the game since at least the 80's, and used by some teams probably from the 50's.
Using advanced statistics for player evaluation and valuation is just now fully taking hold in the major leagues, primarily due to Moneyball and the success of the Red Sox.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 12:46pm Permalink
"Using advanced statistics for player evaluation and valuation is just now fully taking hold in the major leagues, primarily due to Moneyball and the success of the Red Sox"
that book has a lot of dramatically blown up mistruths.
mlb teams have actually been developing and using priority stats for a long time. a lot of the work was subcontracted out to Stats Inc. or an in-house manager of stats much like IBM takes contracts to do "custom solutions" for customers.
when we got beane we got a GM in the fold of the game who didn't suddenly realize something new...we got a guy who championed and brought closer to the top advanced stats. there's more respect for advanced stats, but very few teams were clueless, not using them, or ignoring them.
those books of stats on are not just raw data of baseball-card stats left for a bench coach/manager to do quick evaluations in-game. there's notes/words/links on how the data can be best used along with those stats.
chuck w. isn't just making a binder full of stuff printed off from the internet the past 20 years. he's working with the data and analyzing trends...
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 2:00pm Permalink
You're still talking about in-game management statitics, not player evaluation.
The numbers that show college hitters have been safer bets than HS pitchers in the draft go back to the start of the draft. Why has this just been reflected in the draft over the last six years?
The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 2:03pm Permalink
you're talking about stat analysis of people using metal bats vs. 95%+ players who will never see a professional organized game on any level?
you can't use that stuff. hell, the wood bat leagues barely give a fair snapshot vs. how much weight it carries come draft time.
and the HS vs. college drafting thing is kinda flakey, imo.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 2:06pm Permalink
Dramatically blown up mistruths indeed -- what Moneyball was about, purely and simply, was using statistics to ferret out an undervalued factor (in this case, the value of OBP) and exploiting it. Beane was NOT a pioneer in the use of statistics, advanced or otherwise.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 2:11pm Permalink
moneyball was intentionally dramatized...some of this was to make beane look revolutionary rather than evolutionary.
some people just take too much from the book's dramatizing of events and concepts.
beane was smart enough to pay attention, but more importantly he was smart enough to hire paul d, imo.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 2:28pm Permalink
"the silva trade was a bag shit for a bag of shit trade. thinking hendry knew he had a diamond in the rough is revisionist history"
Exactly. If Hendry is implying that his scouting acumen caused him to spot something special in Carlos Silva, I'd call bullshit. Scouts and statisticians should be equally surprised by what Carlos has done this year.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 2:33pm Permalink
i think hendry is trying to point out stats arent the end-all-be-all and guys like silva are doing things numbers say they probably won't do.
the jim edmonds scrap-heap pickup was a nice one, too.
just like scouting can "lie" numbers aren't absolute, either. it's not a war, it's a partnership.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 3:17pm Permalink
i think hendry is trying to point out stats aren't the end-all-be-all and guys like silva are doing things numbers say they probably won't do.
That's fine. But the point is there's also no way any scout would suggest Silva would do this either. If Hendry implies that, it's inaccurate.
the jim edmonds scrap-heap pickup was a nice one, too.
Joe Borowski. Ryan Dempster. Taking a flyer on cheap guys is smart management, but it's just luck. Didn't work for Wade Miller or Chad Fox.
just like scouting can "lie" numbers aren't absolute, either. it's not a war, it's a partnership.
Agreed.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 3:21pm Permalink
I hope Hendry doesn't pull a Dusty Baker and rebel against all things stats.
Trying to dump Fukudome because he takes too many pitches and such.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 12:53pm Permalink
Are you saying Carlos Silva's 2010 results don't matter? That statistically sound players are more important than actual results?
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 1:01pm Permalink
wooha.
stats vs. scouting vs. whatever vs. king kong vs. ponies vs. milton bradley
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 11:49am Permalink
I'm not sure if this was talked about, but why did the crowd give Soriano an ovation for laying down a sacrifice bunt last night? It's Soriano's job to drive in runs, not Soto's or Castro's. That was as selfish a play as Soriano has made in a Cubs uniform, and I have no idea why he received an ovation. The only way that's a good play is if Soriano beats it out, which he didn't.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 11:51am Permalink
well to be fair it was vs. an AL team with an incomplete scouting report on 2010. no one in the NL would expect soriano to try to bunt for a hit and no one on the As was expecting it. it failed miserably. a case could be made for it being stupid or a calculated gamble.
the Z-hitting in RBI situations the past 2 games has irked me a bit more.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 11:58am Permalink
Short answer: Fans like "Hustle."
Long answer: Soriano was trying to bunt for a hit and would have had it if he could get the ball just a little farther down the third base line. The pitcher had to a make a fairly difficult play to get him, barehanding and spinning to throw to first. It's also pretty much the opposite of watching a high fly ball as if it was homerun and then getting a double on what should've been a triple, so I think Soriano's history has to be taken into account when trying to understand the fan reaction. It turned out all right, but I wouldn't want to see Soriano try it more than two or maybe three times a year.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 12:03pm Permalink
Because the fans are tired of seeing Soriano swing for the fences, regardless of game situation.
Can you go over again why it's not Soto's job to drive in runs? I'm a little hazy on that. Is he supposed to be bunting and stealing bases or something?
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 12:13pm Permalink
wells needs to quit the boozin'.
he's patrick kane without the talent and championship.
Wasserstrom
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 12:36pm Permalink
I don't what he exactly does, but if it's putting the binders with splits and batter vs. pitcher matchups together, probably get someone here from TCR to do that for $15 p/hour
He's probably the genius that tipped Hendry to sign Aaron Miles because he was good in day games.
All in all, if he's been there for 20 years, he's probably not helping much or not being listened to and sounds like his idea of stats is just basic splits and stuff.
As for Kaplan, sounds like a database administrator more than anything, but maybe he'll give the Cubs a fresher take on stuff.
None of it matters with Hendry as GM, who will always defer to his scouts cause that's his background. For the most part it's served him well to be honest, Bradley and Fukudome being the major exceptions.
WTF?
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 12:38pm Permalink
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/h...
Theriot bobblehead?
Re: WTF?
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 12:45pm Permalink
it's life-size!
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 3:03pm Permalink
It's out front of Wrigley next to the Green and Yellow "BP"-Ernie Banks statue.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 12:47pm Permalink
fishing?
oookay.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 1:43pm Permalink
theriot 's wife said he lives in that boat and he goes everywhere in it. She said he rarely walks.
~little rimshot ~
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Sun, 06/20/2010 - 10:15am Permalink
Ugh. (I had to read it TWICE to get it, well-played, rimshot and all.)
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 3:35pm Permalink
Can you think of any other sport he does well?
[and no, i don't think fishing is a sport]
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 12:40pm Permalink
I dunno if this is a shift in philosophy or anything, but I do know that, in my job, if some young gun got hired under me, a guy who reports to me, no less, who sort of is well known for something I'm known to be indifferent to, I'd be stupid not to notice. If I was Hendry I'd have a hard time not looking at this as kind of a statement being made by his boss. I don't think it matters much whether this new guy is a stats guy or what the hell he does. The fact the owner hand picked a guy Hendry should be responsible for hiring is a pretty strong statement.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 12:43pm Permalink
very much agree.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 2:01pm Permalink
I agree so much I said the same thing in post #11!
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 2:05pm Permalink
and I said the same thing yesterday...
apologies for not giving credit to you for my fantastic insight :)
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 2:24pm Permalink
Your comment, however, was off-topic, and mine was more about the context of the hire.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 2:10pm Permalink
Ha, I probably just skipped past your post assuming you were in a spat with Mike C!
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 1:24pm Permalink
IN THE LAAAAAAND OF THE FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeee
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 1:26pm Permalink
HELP! HELP! SITE-OP ABUSE! HELP!
hehe...
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 1:32pm Permalink
censorship is okay as long as I'm doing it.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 1:37pm Permalink
yeah, it's all good.
i returned to "fix" the formatting on that at the same time you were editing it i think.
also, jeff baker wtf?
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 1:24pm Permalink
leadoff double...and so it begins
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 1:26pm Permalink
i had already re-edited my comment to not break formatting =p
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 1:32pm Permalink
byrd with his 100th diving catch on the season...
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 1:43pm Permalink
according to MLB gameday
Soriano loves to face sliders, hates fastballs.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 2:30pm Permalink
That's gameday humor. No one actually believes it.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 2:03pm Permalink
i'm at work let me know when they litter the field with the floating keebler elf bobblehead.
Fuku rumors
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 2:10pm Permalink
Cubs approach Red Sox, don't offer to pay much of his salary. Red Sox insulted, challenge Cubs to pistols at dawn.
http://www.csnne.com/06/16/10/-Daniel-Nava/v1...
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 4:15pm Permalink
They're missing out on a lot of nickname fun.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 3:38pm Permalink
this Wuertz guy looks familiar...
-edit- and pitching familiarly
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 3:45pm Permalink
Ha..I was gonna make a similar comment before your edit. Great bodies think alike.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 4:13pm Permalink
WOO!!!
great game!
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 4:20pm Permalink
It's sad when you're watching and absolutely expecting a loss. Fukkakedome with the winner!
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 4:24pm Permalink
BTW:
"Randy Wells is looking at today's start against the A's as hitting the reset button on his thus far rocky season.
The irony, of course, is that Wells's employers might not be able to overlook the past quite as easily"
What exactly is ironic about this? Just curious.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 4:50pm Permalink
Ironic that the player is able to say, "What's done is done; time to start over," whereas management, if it's doing its job, couldn't possibly ignore everything that has come before.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 4:58pm Permalink
Ironic would be Wells saying that and then getting released. Or maybe that we just be unfortunate.
It's like rain on your wedding day.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 5:06pm Permalink
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/irony
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 5:29pm Permalink
heh.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 5:38pm Permalink
That is awesome.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 5:43pm Permalink
almost as awesome as Immortal Dog
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1937499
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Sun, 06/20/2010 - 10:22am Permalink
Hilarious, and true.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 4:37pm Permalink
Fukudome's hitting coach security blanket seems to be working again. They need to flag him as a terrorist so he can't leave the country again.
I wonder if the Cubs can package Fukudome for $1-$2M each, but if you want him to work, you need to add his hitting coach at $12M a year.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 5:20pm Permalink
It sure seems clear to me that his hitting coach needs to be hired as a full timer for the Cubs.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 5:34pm Permalink
Can he speak English? Everyone needs to get in on that action.
Re:his hitting coach needs to be hired as a full timer for the C
on Sat, 06/19/2010 - 10:26am Permalink
Oh they would, but so far he can't get a visa that allows him to work for more that a couple of weeks twice a year in the United States.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Sat, 06/19/2010 - 3:12pm Permalink
Do you have any actual info on this? Seems to me the reason he probably doesn't have a VISA that allows him to be in the US for more than a couple of weeks is because he is not a full-time employee of a US company, like Fukudome himself is. But if he were hired as a full-time coach, as Jace was suggesting, surely he could apply for the same type of work VISA.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Sun, 06/20/2010 - 11:21am Permalink
It's not that easy. If you had a company, you could immigrate anyone by claiming they were "full time employees" that way. You've got to show that you have a skill that can't be filled by an American, and with the high unemployment rate we have now you can bet that there is pressure to not award a lot of long-term work visas.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Sun, 06/20/2010 - 11:30am Permalink
Not saying it is easy. Just saying that so far I have seen NO evidence that the Cubs have tried and have not been successful. And I can understand that. The Cubs have a team hitting coach, they aren't going to hire another one just for one guy. Would love to see any link to issues about the Cubs trying and failing to get him another VISA.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Mon, 06/21/2010 - 1:55am Permalink
Fukudome could hire him as an employee, no?
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 5:50pm Permalink
Hayden Simpson signed, no dollar amount mentioned yet
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Thu, 06/17/2010 - 9:51pm Permalink
Slot should be right about $1.5M.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 12:31am Permalink
Went for about $500K under slot.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=...
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 12:36am Permalink
cheapskates.
someone's lying though.
Simpson said he didn't know he was picked until he saw his name on the draft tracker, so who did they work the deal out with and why so long to announce it?
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 6:28am Permalink
The Cubs may have settled on 'parameters' for a deal with several players before the draft, or he may not have known they were talking about taking him in the first round. $1 million for a middle second round pick, would have seemed like a nice chunk of change, and then when he got drafted in the first round he wanted some time to re-evaluate his position.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 11:47am Permalink
colvin leading off
baker
byrd
lee
soto
sori
castro
theriot
~2nd edit~
I like it
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 11:50am Permalink
You may like it, but Lou has just condemned us all to three years of crunch complaining about wasting his power batting leadoff ; )
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 12:07pm Permalink
at least colvin & soto are playing.
/taking small victories where I can
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 12:38pm Permalink
soriano vs. colvin isn't even comparable.
one is a power hitter...one is a hitter with a little power.
i still don't know, even in retrospect, how anyone could be even slightly happy with soriano leading off when he was hitting for that much power.
even the people who bought into the bull that he can only hit in certain parts of the lineup or he turns to crap can't be all up on that as an excuse anymore.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 12:40pm Permalink
i still don't know, even in retrospect, how anyone could be even slightly happy with soriano leading off when he was hitting for that much power.
you should have tried reading the hundreds of attempts explaining it to you...and the Cubs record and runs scored in 2007 and 2008.
~cue broken record~
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 12:57pm Permalink
i have read...and it still makes no sense.
any time you have a power hitter with more or as much power hits as RBIs you should re-evaluate a player's role.
high K rate, low walk rate, speed declining (it was just silly when he was hobbled and still leading off), 30+hr power, 30+ double power
yeah, let's get that guy his 70+ rbis and pay him 15m to do it.
what you guys like out of leadoff hitters don't jive with soriano's use over a couple years.
i've heard the "he can't hit there because he can only hit in 1 and 6 slots or whatever" excuses which are laaaame as hell...
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 1:11pm Permalink
Maybe you should write it on a post-it note and put on your monitor, then you will understand...
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 1:13pm Permalink
i understand.
i just think you people who think otherwise are retarded.
:)
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 1:30pm Permalink
Soriano was the answer to everyone bitching and complaining that Juan Pierre was a shitty lead-off hitter. So the Cubs went out and got the player who is different in every way from Juan Pierre.
I was one of the few who liked Pierre and thought he did a good job as a lead off hitter, i didn't like his noodle arm in the OF, but hey he still did his job as a hitter.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Sat, 06/19/2010 - 3:33pm Permalink
Did you like the .317 OBP?
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Sat, 06/19/2010 - 3:40pm Permalink
it was .330 ob%.
204 hits...32 doubles...13 triples...58sb (20cs)
the guy was in scoring position (2nd/3rd) around 100 times that season waiting for someone to knock him in.
he played every game.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Sat, 06/19/2010 - 6:38pm Permalink
Yes, he had a .330 OBP by the end of the season. Fine, but season stats can cloud major in-season variation. He was absolutely dismal early in the year and contributed greatly to the season going south. Through June 9th he was at: .231/.277/.295/.572 - and getting the most at-bats on the team. It was brutal. At that point the Cubs were 12 games under .500, and 12 games out of first already.
From then on out he put up a nice line of: .326/.359/.440/.799 , which brought his season stats up. But at that point, it didn't matter.
People here have been on the Cubs to bench or get rid of Theriot, and to give you an idea of how bad Pierre was, Theriot's OPS was nearly 40 points higher on June 9th than Pierre's was in 2006. And at least Theriot has been moved down to 8th in the order a few times and sat a few games. Pierre started and led off basically every game.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 12:44pm Permalink
If Colvin had the at bats to qualify, he'd be second in the league in slugging and his career slugging % is higher than Soriano's (as well as Soriano's with the Cubs).
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 12:57pm Permalink
if ryan theriot could do what he did the first year we'd never hear many complaints.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 1:23pm Permalink
Yeah, and Albert Pujols first year was a fluke as well!
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Sat, 06/19/2010 - 3:37am Permalink
Man, could you look any more stupid?
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 12:03pm Permalink
no Nady vs. a lefty, surprise, surprise...
-edit- Wasserstrom strikes again
lefties with a 1.162 OPS off Kazmir this year...in 57 PA's. Righties with a .713 OPS against.
.751 (RHB) vs. .647(LHB) for his career though.
maybe Whatshisface can give Lou and the staff a quick lesson on sample sizes.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 11:41am Permalink
The only thing wrong with this line up is Theriot is playing.
Maybe we are showcasing him.
Free Mike Fontenot
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 11:51am Permalink
Nothing can stop The Fountenaught... except a senile manager and a tough lefty.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 1:14pm Permalink
Shouldn't Theriot be out fishing somewhere? His bobblehead told me that's his only talent...that and charming the ladies with his Gambit-accent. I wonder if he can also turn anything into a grenade?
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 1:28pm Permalink
gambit?
nerd
;-)
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 3:11pm Permalink
He was my favorite X-Man as a kid. What can I say?
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 1:45pm Permalink
Infield single by Soto?
Did someone collide with someone?
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 3:18pm Permalink
Third basemen dove in the hole and got it, but threw 3 bouncer from his knees that Soto barely beat.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 1:47pm Permalink
on another note, if Colvin is leading off and starting because Kazmir has struggled versus lefties this year, shouldn't Tracy and Fontenot be starting as well?
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 2:20pm Permalink
you and your logic.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 3:18pm Permalink
Baker playing a phenomenal third base today and Howry doing what he does best.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 3:38pm Permalink
I get the Howry hate, but he's been decent since they re-signed him.
Re: Game #66 Preview: A's (33-34) @ Cubs (29-36)
on Fri, 06/18/2010 - 3:48pm Permalink
I don't hate him, I just like making fun of him. He reminds me of Barry Pepper, so he's cool.