Laugh Your Troubles Away!

99% of the precincts in Mesa have now reported:

Prop 420 - 63% YES.

So the Cubs WILL be staying in Mesa, and a new Spring Training & Minor League HQ and "Wrigleyvile West" will be built at Riverview Park.

Somewhere Two Ton Baker is riding the Bobs and laughing his ass off.    


Cubs supporters gathered at the Hilton Phoenix East Mesa Hotel to watch election results come in, munching on Chicago-style deep dish pizza flown in from the Windy City.

Typical Ricketts. Did it not cross anyone's mind to maybe get the pizza locally? Believe it or not there are Chicagoans there making pie.

Right, Navigator. Another example of Hendry and Wilken not scouting for talent in the local market, right?

Submitted by John Beasley on Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:25pm.
Right, Navigator. Another example of Hendry and Wilken not scouting for talent in the local market, right?


JOHN B: I don't know about Ricketts, but I think I can say without any risk of contradiction that Hendry and the other members of the Cubs front office know (probably within two) how many restaurants there are in Mesa, where they are located, what's on the menu, and what the special is tonight.

Rumor has it that Hendry has the Donut shops mapped out on his hotel room wall.

Like he needs a map.

Vito's Italian at Lindsay&Mckellips is where I would go for pizza.

i liked it better when you just hated the scouting director's every move

This is why we can't afford a real 1b. Ricketts is spending his cash on b.s. like flying in pizza's.

Hello Nick Johnson. Goodbye Cub fans.

The Nick Johnson thing is just a smoke screen.

The real target is Casey Kotchman.

Ugh. Well, at least he stays healthy.

Hendry should go find Hector Villanueva or Julio Zuleta.:)

Any chance ARam ends up with the Red Sox?

They could still trade him. The Red Sox now need a third baseman. Of course he would need to waive his 5/10 rights.

Youkilis said he'd get back in 3b shape this offseason if needed, especially with the glut of 1b FA's this year, probably their wisest move to move him and find one of those. says Chirinos added to the 40-man:

Also, apparently the Cubs are outsourcing Vine Line to a company based in, of all places, Cincinnati. I'd cancel my subscription ... if I had one.

hendty confirms sandberg no longer w cubs organization .

ryno turned down aaa job over the week end

arizona is probably falling all over themselves trying to add him to their all-"hey! i know that guy!" coaching staff.

link on story

Hendry leaves the door wide open if Sandberg wishes to return as an instructor or in future years.

"Rays declined RHP Dan Wheeler's $4 million option for 2011."


seems like a good enough deal to me considering TB is only on the hook for 1 year.

...and he has a 1m buyout. wonder if he's sore/injured? weird.

sparky anderson in hospice with dementia... :/

As far as I can tell, everything seems to be working.

Let me know if there are any problems.

Shit like this gives me heartburn.

Jeter, I guarantee if you were to get Dye'd out of baseball this winter, the Yankees would show up for spring training as favorites to make the playoffs, and the only people who would take notice would be some of your close teammates and hundreds of media assholes. Fans? Yeah, for a while, until your replacement got to a ball in the hole.

Glad to see NY is going to con itself into paying too much money for overvalued FA's once again.

Jeter, I guarantee if you were to get Dye'd out of baseball this winter, the Yankees would show up for spring training as favorites to make the playoffs, and the only people who would take notice would be some of your close teammates and hundreds of media assholes. Fans? Yeah, for a while, until your replacement got to a ball in the hole.

Sorry... but this is bullshit. As much as I don't like Jeter, and as much as I think that he is overrated as a player, there is no question that he is an institution among Yankees fans. The guy has been the fact of the Yankees for years, and fans will be livid if Jeter is no longer there.

Until they win the World Series without him, when they will all say "well, I guess Boss Jr was right".

Strongly disagree. The only thing in the world that Yankees fans are loyal to is winning. There would certainly be some initial grumbles, but if the team started 17-7 with Ronny Cedeno at shortstop, Jeter could probably walk to Kalamazoo before anyone asked where he was.

In a curiously non-bylined article (a stealth Gordon Wittenmeyer job?) the Sun Times reports that budget constraints will force the Cubs to go on the cheap for their top 3 free agent acquisiitons this off season.

The article indicates that a SP, a RHP for the pen and 1B are on the shopping list, and that Nick Johnson is far more likely than Adam Dunn for 1B...

I think spending 12 Million on Adam Dunn is MUCH wiser than spending 12 million on a Wood/Johnson combo.

However I have zero doubt that Hendry will find a way to Fu*k this up.

How'd you come up with $12 million for Wood/Johnson? Maybe half that, but guaranteed salary for the two I bet comes in at under $6 million.

With Jim Hendry doing the negotiations?

For what it's worth, here is the assessment of Wood from the Yanks' beat writer on

"RHP Kerry Wood was a lethal weapon in the bullpen for the Yankees after being acquired at the trade deadline, allowing two runs in 24 appearances as the team's primary setup man. The Yankees declined their $11 million option for 2011 on Wood, who will likely land a closer job with another team this winter."

Also read somewhere that Kerry's #s were a little deceiving, lots of luck on BABIP, etc. I believe he pitched well, just not 0.69 ERA well (which is what he'll get overpaid for)

Just Say No to Adam Dunn. You may love his bat, but he is not a winner. Just what this club needs: an aging Kingman, who has never been clutch, strikes out a ton, and is not a very good influence on younger players. He is happy to get a paycheck and that's about it. Hell no.

"He is happy to get a paycheck and that's about it."

he's always fun when it's near end of season and he runs the team's football pools. it gives him something to talk about that's sports-related in the clubhouse.


We need Travis Ishikawa or Jose Uribe at 1st. Those guys are winners!!!!

Bill O'Reily style arguing. Awesome.


Bite your tongue....

I'm just not a fan of evaluating players on measures like "he's a winner", or "he loves the game".

If Adam Dunn came up with the Yankees or Sawks, I'm sure he'd have won plenty.

yeah, but i don't think ishikawa is on the cubs radar...or uribe.

adam dunn is the only FA bat besides werth on a near-top-tier of talent. the only thing people wanting dunn have going for them is NYY/BOS are probably not going to go bidding for them.

i guess another thing is anyone wanting SP will have to spend more than they should because of the thin market.

i'm waiting for hendry to tip his hand rather than a sentence in an article not based on a quote, myself.

So, penciling in 40HR's and near 100RBI every year is not good enough? I agree, though, that with "Wild-Man" Castro and bottom-of-the-pack A-Ram on the left side of the infield, having ADunn at first base will be an adventure.

I believe the Cubs are going to go after him. You are making a deal with the devil. But, then again, none of the FA's wield a bat like Dunn.

There's always the Hoff (ducks!).

In regards to Dunn I think the important questions are how long do you think Dunn is going to have an impact bat, and what age will he be when the Cubs are a realistic contender again.

If those answer to those two questions overlap sign him, if they don't don't.

Dunn is 30. That makes him younger than all but 3 of the Cubs projected offensive starters.

He's been extremely consistent, and never had any kind of injury issue to this point. Not sure why people act like he'd be much of a health risk?

Suck risk, not health risk.

He's shown no dip at this point. He's likely only getting a 3-4 year deal. So all you are banking on is him maintaining his current levels for age 31-33/34 seasons.

I'd say he's a better bet during that time than ANYONE on this current cubs roster.

I really don't understand why there would be any opposition?

i'd be all for a 3 year deal...a 4 year if the loot is decently cheap.

it's hard to handicap his situation, though. he's the #1 power bat on the market, but his only position is 1st and that is debatable.

it helps that bos/nyy shouldn't be getting into the bidding for his services, though.

it probably doesn't help the FA market is littered with B-tier 1st baseman who should come cheap on the gamble. i wouldn't be surprised to see glaus/berkman/pena or even dlee.

The limiting thing (again, and finally) is $$.

Ricketts is pulling the purse strings tighter and telling JH to f'n figure it out, that's what he gets paid for.

I think it's very interesting, and fun to watch.

I don't think the Cubs are even bothering to talk Dunn. I think the Nick Johnson thing sounds more right, or maybe Pena cheap.

I think this year we see Hendry get creative or get fired.

He has "old man" skills which traditionally don't age well. He'll cost you probably 2 games in the field. You're making the same arguments you made about Lee's and Ramirez's contracts... you know the ones that crippled the 2010 Cubs?

He's a better hitter, and will likely make less than either Lee or Rammy did in 2010.

His defense at First was almost average by all metrics. So costing 2 games in the field jargon is straight hyperbole.

Reggie Jackson and Fred McGriff had the same hitting skills. Their teams were thrilled to have their age 31-34 productions in the lineups. 10

Thome, C. Fielder, C. Delgado, B. Powell, M. Epstein, T. Glaus, G. Hodges, F. McGriff, D. Ortiz, M. Vaughn

Aaron, outright lies or ignorance?

1. The metrics don't take into account catching throws and three runs below replacement is not three runs below average.

2. For his career McGriff was a .284 hitter. Without his decline phase Dunn is .250 hitter. McGriff's most simliar season to Dunn's 2010 was his age 38 season.

Really? Batting average?

Batting average is relevant to the discussion of how Dunn will age.

"There is an old adage in baseball that walking is an old man's skill. The hypothesis is that as players get older, they need to "learn" to walk more in order to compensate deteriorating abilities to get on base vis a vis hitting."

Dunn walks a lot. Is this because pitchers fear him and give him little to hit? Is it because Dunn doesn't make a lot of contact, but is able to compensate by taking walks and hitting the ball really hard when he does.

I am sure it is a little from column A and a little from column B, but if it is more A he will age well, if it is more B he will not. His low batting average implies more B.

It's pure speculation though Rob. Even if Dunn slipped from a 900+ OPS guy to an 850 OPS guy over the 3-4 years. Would that still not have value?

Each player is their own individual case study. Just because random guy x faded out at 33, doesn't have anything to do with player z. For every Vaughn there is a McGriff.

If you are saying that no one can predict the future with 100% accuracy you are correct, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to make predictions as accurately as we can based upon the information we have.

I believe where we disagree is that I think in 2011 the Cubs will be worse than you do, and I think that Dunn will decline faster. Thus, I would not spend a lot of money on him or give him a lot of years.

My crystal ball tells me that over the next couple of seasons the Cubs minor league system should generate some major league ready talent and that they will have greater payroll flexibility.

Thus, I would not make a big splash in free agency in 2010/2011. Instead, I would move our expiring contracts to contenders while using our large market budget to take on salary dumps. If our farm system does produce and/or we make good trades, I would then move to acquire free agents in the coming off seasons.

That is completely fair. I do think we can be a contender in 2011. Just going to take a huge bat and a bit of luck. I'd be completely fine if Dunn is the ONLY addition in 2011.

I just don't think the minor league system can produce players fast enough for us to be sustained by it as an organization. Coupled with the fact that our athlete heavy drafting has left us with ZERO power bats anywhere in this system.

That is why I'm in favor of Dunn. Someone who can anchor the lineup and fill First over the next 3-4 years. I think he'd be the best free agent bet that Hendry would have ever made. Though opinions are prone to vary.

I vote for Rob Richardson on this issue.

In the next four years Vitters and Jackson could be power bats for the Cubs.

Do you think Billy Butler and Mark Teixera were $14 million players last year? Those are the two first basemen that came in around 850 OPS.

Aubrey Huff, who could be had for less money and on a shorter deal had a .891 OPS (Dunn was .892). I'd take Dunn over him in 2011, but I'd take nothing over a $14 million Dunn in 2012- 2014.

What if Dunn prevents us from signing Adrian Gonzalez?

The thing is you can almost guarantee yourself Dunn this year. Fielder and Gonzo will have 6-10 teams competing for their services.

So metrics are only valid if they back up YOUR argument?

I'll try and remember that going forward.

They're only valid if you understand them before trying to use them.

I understand them just fine. You are the saying they aren't valid because they disagree with your opinion.

No, I am saying that replacement level is not the same as average.

The average team wins 81 games. A replacement level team wins about 40 games. Do you understand that 81 <> 40?

WTF are you talking about?

"His defense at First was almost average by all metrics."

I looked up one metric and he was three runs below replacement level.

Well, pencil in 38 HRs. He hit 40 back in 2008; and he hit over 40 in 2004. He's a year older, and then another year older, and then another, so you many be penciling in 35, 32, 28 . . . and then you've got another Soriano.

That Carl Crawford is supposed to be pretty good.

true...i overlooked him, not dismissed him.

You sir, are NOT a patriot! If you don't like Adam Dunn you obviously love communism and want this country to fail!


Would dunn be blocking any prospects?

If they go cheap this year, theybetter go hard after pujlos or gonzalez.

It's nice to know that Ricketts is running the Cubs as if we are the Pirates. Shopping for bargain bin junk.

May I point out that Nick Johnson is a white Milton Bradley in every way but crazy.

Similar injury history, similar mediocre production, similar high OBP with poor SLG. And I'm sure Jimbo will take him out for dinner before signing him.

Nick Johnson is not the middle of the order hitter the lineup needs, even if healthy. Laroche makes more sense, even on a budget. At least with Laroche you know what you're getting, he's consistently avg. at his position or slightly above average.

"Objects in motion, stay in motion."

"Ballplayers with a past history of injury will continue to sustain injuries in the future."

Agree on Laroche vs. Johnson.

I think they're definitely going bargain basement this year, and I don't blame them. If I'm Ricketts, I see the number-f'n-one payroll in the NL last year got me fifth place in my division.

Time to try a new tack.

There are plenty of other teams that figure out how to compete with a lot less money. If Hendry works for me, I tell him to start figuring it f'n out.

The theory is essentially rebuilding the org from the bottom. Guarantee, unless the Cubs look like the team to win it all in 2011, Aram doesn't make it past 7/31 with the Cubs (unless he's hurt). If he's having a career/contract year, they'll trade him to "stock the system".

If Hendry can't make it work within Ricketts' constraints, he will be replaced.

sparky anderson dies...the day after moving him to hospice for dementia related complications.

A day passes and Cubs Convention tickets are still available.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they sell out in 15 minutes last year?

believe so, 24 minutes the year before.

pretty sure the organization will fold now within the next 3 months.


RIP Sparky Anderson. As a Cubs fan, I could appreciate his humility and his "hook." Wonderful man and baseball man. Condolences to the Reds and Tigers fans. Dementia SUCKS!

Guzman outrighted; Ramirez picks up his option.

football, hockey, concerts, baseball...being a groundskeeper at wrigley these days must be interesting.

interesting. when the bears played there, field ran from 1st base dugout towards lf bleachers. would be curious to know why today is 3b toward rf.

Entire country is leaning right after Tuesday?

Ha nice

we've been liened from every other direction...

it will be awesome when a QB leads a receiver out the end zone into the brick wall.

Every kicker is gonna try to nail it out onto Sheffield on the XP's going that direction

i recall a story, no doubt apocryphal, that one game when the bears played in wrigley, old man halas was quite disgusted with his offense and the refs.

he was asked to depart the sidelines.

he left instructions for his qb to run left on the first play, run right on the 2nd, run up the middle on the third, and punt on 4th.

the offense was also pissed at him, so they gained 10 yards, then 15 yards, then 20 yards, and then punted into the lf bleachers.

Bronko Nagurski. I wasn't at the game, but I've been told.
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  • Meh, I messed that up. Mets are in. 

    Cards and Giants can still tie though.

    Rob G. 22 min 4 sec ago view
  • Kershaw gets hurt by his defense and gave up 2 more runs. Blach has 8 shutout innings.

    Mets already won as did Cards.

    tomorrow is gonna be helluva fun if Giants hold on. We're all rooting for a 3-way tie I presume.

    Rob G. 41 min 30 sec ago view
  • good news is now 5 K's for Lester through 4 (in a quest for 200 for season). Bad news is he's already at 86 pitches.

    Rob G. 1 hour 11 min ago view
  • be curious how long Maddon sticks with Lester to try and let offense get back into it and get him the win (4-2 as I type, was 4-0)

    Fwiw, he needed 2.1 IP to cross 200 for season so he got that at least. He also needs 9 K's for 200K's on season and he has 4 through 3.

    Rob G. 1 hour 17 min ago view
  • cubs score 2 runs thanks to predictable reds pitching and horrible CIN defense...cubs only down by 1 now. heyward even got a gift 2rbi double out of an easy popout. neat.

    crunch 1 hour 18 min ago view
  • something named Ty Blach has outpitched Clayton Kershaw through 6 innings (1-0 Giants).


    Rob G. 1 hour 20 min ago view
  • not that finishing 2nd place will matter much nor did this game, but have to think if Hendricks pitches well tomorrow, he could leapfrog Lester in Cy Young voting. Don't see anyway Scherzer doesn't win it regardless and it doesnt' look like Lester has any incentive clauses that matter. Also might give Cueto some votes.

    Rather remarkable how many teams have really good 1-2 options this year.

    Nats: Scherzer and Roark (and Strasburg was great before injuries)

    Cubs: Lester and Hendricks (and Arrietta is still damn good just not as consistently lately)

    Rob G. 1 hour 27 min ago view
  • pretty much what I'm gathering from this thread is that it doesn't matter who you play in  5-game series, but no one wants to have to deal with Cardinal fans if we end up losing.

    I can respect that.

    Rob G. 1 hour 31 min ago view
  • first game for lester giving up more than 2 runs since july 24th. hell of a run.

    crunch 2 hours 3 min ago view
  • doh, yes...dunno what happened there. jake arrieta is all "bro wut?"

    crunch 2 hours 35 min ago view
  • lester going for #20...cubs haven't had a LH (thanks jpep for the correction) 20 game winner since d.ellsworth in 1963.

    crunch 2 hours 36 min ago view
  • fwiw, all the games are free on

    crunch 2 hours 37 min ago view
  • Short rest for MadBum would be 2 days. WC game is Wed., Games 1 & 2 are Friday/Saturday.

    billybucks 2 hours 55 min ago view
  • A left-handed one...

    JoePepitone 4 hours 47 min ago view
  • J-Hey not finishing with an offensive onslaught.

    If Geoff Blum could be a Playoff hero, there is hope still...

    The E-Man 8 hours 37 min ago view
  • Giants scare me. I think you're wrong about Bumgarner, he would pitch on short rest for Game 2 and then full rest for Game 5. Cueto would go Game 1, then short rest in game 4. Add in some really tough outs in that lineup and I want nothing to do with them. With that rotation they can easily steal a series.

    Cards are a tough matchup. The rivalry evens out their comparable lack of talent. And like someone said, they love HRs, which is how to beat the Cubs. The upside is that I would feel really good about Lester twice against STL.

    John Beasley 9 hours 22 min ago view