The Current NL Central Lineups
I'm using the MLB depth charts, the Bill James projections for wOBA on Fangraphs and their 2012 playing age along with a few assumptions like Dusty isn't going to play Devin Mesoraco or Chris Heisey over veterans. Let's see how the NL Central offenses stack up. Obviously the actual order of lineups and players may vary, and there's no accounting for expected playing time due to injuries or sucktitude.
Cardinals:
Furcal(.324), Beltran(.367), Holliday(.394), Berkman(.380), Freese(.353), Molina(.320), Jay(.328), Schumaker(.309)
Average wOBA: .347
Age: 31.75
Brewers:
Morgan(.311), Weeks(.348), Braun(.411), Hart(.355), Ramirez(.362), Gamel(.357), Lucroy(.319), A. Gonzalez(.285)
Average wOBA: .344
Age: 29.375
Reds:
Stubbs(.331), Phillips(.332), Votto(.408), Rolen(.334), Bruce(.363), Ludwick(.323), Hanigan(.324), Cozart (.315)
Average wOBA: .341
Age: 29.75
Cubs:
DeJesus(.324), Castro(.346), LaHair(.352), Soriano(.331), Stewart(.329), Soto(.344), Byrd(.319), Barney (.294)
Average wOBA: .330
Age: 29.375
Pirates:
Presley(.345), Tabata(.328), Walker(.329), McCutchen(.360), Alvarez(.333), G. Jones(.338), Barajas(.288), Barmes(.300)
Average wOBA: .328
Age: 28.125
Astros:
Lowrie(.341), Altuve(.321), Martinez(.353), C. Lee(.339), Bogusevic(.325), Paredes(.292), Schafer(.288), J. Castro (.287)
Average wOBA: .318
Age: 26.375
The Cardinals are of course going to have to stay healthy to keep up the offense and that's no small task with Carlos Beltran, Lance Berkman, Matt Holliday and Rafael Furcal on the roster. I'm sure the Cubs are hoping to get a little bit more from David DeJesus and Ian Stewart than their current projections, but doesn't mean it will happen. If and when the Cubs replace Byrd and LaHair with Anthony Rizzo(.318) and Brett Jackson(.342), their average age would go down to 27.125, as would the projected wOBA, albeit slightly to .329 (Rizzo gets no love in the Bill James projections for whatever reason). Another fun exercise for the Cubs is to replace LaHair, DeJesus and Stewart with Prince Fielder, Beltran and Aramis Ramirez because why the hell not? this is all just for fun. In that case, the average wOBA goes up to .345 while also likely hurting the Brewers and Cardinals a bit. Of course, that also has the potential to bring the average DOTDL up to potentially astronomical levels (Dollars on The Disabled List) along with the problem of justifying the $50M or so to pay them for just this year.
I'll see if I can do something similar with the projected pitching staffs in the very near future.
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Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 1:49am Permalink
with Tigers out of the Cespedes talks most likely, it would appear that Cubs and Marlins are ahead of the pack. I'd have to think Marlins are far more willing to give out stupid money at this point though, especially if they think Cespedes is someone they can market around.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 7:45am Permalink
For sake of comparison in the above, versus Barney, what are the numbers for DeWitt and Baker? Are the numbers provided with splits, so you could generate one assuming a DeWitt/Baker platoon?
Barney needs to be a utility/bench-only player. Maybe Dale will be a bit smarter in that regard than was Quade.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 8:50am Permalink
They don't split it out, but it's Baker (.335) and DeWitt (.314) fwiw. There's obviously a defensive component though that isn't being accounted for in wOBA.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 1:52am Permalink
Here is a wish that I think makes sense:
Garza (and cash and/or another player)
To Cleveland for:
Dillon Howard RHP
Jake Sisco RHP
Luigi Rodriguez OF
The thinking is Cleveland needs to answer Detroit move, and while their minor league system is not well ranked they do have some raw talent at the lowest levels. So they get Garza for a few years, and then their A/AA guys will be ready when they are ready to reload. Cubs get a few more pieces for the future to gamble on...
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 1:59am Permalink
fwiw, Dillon Howard and Jake Sisco can't be traded for a year, although I presume they could work out a PTBNL.
But I'm fairly certain Cubs would be looking for pieces that are ready for the majors now or at the very least 2013...at least some of the pieces.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 7:01am Permalink
Back to the drawing board!!
Re: Soler
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 1:53am Permalink
some links for those interested in him, expected cost is $20M range and likely bidding won't start until after the season starts.
http://orioles-nation.com/2011/12/12/talent-f...
Looking at Jorge Solver’s age and physical frame makes you think you just caught lighting in a bottle. His frame and projection is still massively untapped and he could be a 230 pound masher in his prime; it is that type of lower foundation and torque that makes every scout think he will be better than Leonys Martin, who was signed by the Rangers last year. He shows every tool that you covet and then some for an up the middle prospect.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects...
Soler, the 18U team's right fielder, has a strapping 6-foot-3, 205-pound body, is 18 and has five-tool potential. The best running time scouts got for Balaguer was 4.4 seconds to first base; Soler, also a right-handed hitter, checked in at 4.26. Soler has bat speed and what one scout called "explosive power" to go with above-average arm strength.
http://www.snywhyguys.com/2011/12/25/scouting...
Soler is four years younger and more talented than Leonys Martin, another Cuban outfielder who signed a $15.6 million major league contract with the Rangers in April. Once Soler is cleared to sign with a major league team, he’s expected to top Martin’s deal.
The new CBA provides for a $2.9 million international cap for each team for the 2012-13 signing period, which doesn’t start until July 2. As long as Soler signs before then, he won’t be subject to the cap. And even if he were, he’s talented enough and the penalties for busting the cap are so light (a 100-percent tax on the overage and a prohibition on signing any international player for more than $250,000 in the next signing period) that I bet several clubs would be willing to exceed the $2.9 million.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 8:19am Permalink
Yeah, but how old is he REALLY?
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:39am Permalink
i really wanted to like Baseball IQ, but it's pretty bland/dry.
these guys are some legit/hardcore baseball nerds, though. it's delivering what it promised and you can learn + jog your memory about a lot.
matt vag is good for keeping guys loose, but almost all the contestants lack personality.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 6:52am Permalink
"but almost all the contestants lack personality'
heh
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 7:25am Permalink
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaki...
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 8:45am Permalink
Can we get a headline or quick summary of a link so I know if it's worth clicking?
Yes, I'm that lazy.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 9:33am Permalink
Word.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 12:25pm Permalink
You guys probably opened your presents on Christmas eve.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 12:36pm Permalink
If you hover over the link in the trib's case, you get a summary:
beginning of URL and then: /breaking/chi-wrigley-rooftop-venue-sold-in-bankruptcy-auction-20120124,0,4840974.story
That was enough for me. And yes, I'm that lazy, too, so I relate. I didn't click through. No offense to Jacos.
Re: Wrigley Rooftop "Auction"
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 11:21am Permalink
Some great reporting by the affirmative action Trib reporter...
//The Schlenker bid of $4.8 million was named the preferred bidder prior to Friday's auction, meaning other bidders would have to top the price.//
Subsequent bidders would have to bid more to win. Who knew?
..
Actually, with a preferred bidder designation someone would have had to outbid Schlenker by 5% to win the bid and no doubt they were hoping the Ricketts would do just that.
Bruce Levine Seems to like Wideout
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 10:38am Permalink
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/
The way this article is written, you would think that Samninja was one of the Cubs' best pitchers. This came as a pretty big shock to me. I must not have been paying attention last year, but in the past he has always been infuriatingly wild... What is everyone else's take on him?
When i looked up his career stats, I pulled up an article saying the Cubs had declined his option for 2012... What is his contract status?
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 10:51am Permalink
Had a good if not lucky year in 2011. Cubs still own his rights, he's now an auto-renewal for a year and then arb eligible starting next season.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 11:22am Permalink
If the Cubs declined his option for 2012, I don't understand why he is auto-renewal. I would have thought that made him a free agent... If you could explain this, I would appreciate it.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 12:11pm Permalink
Samardzija signed a major league contract right after being drafted that had him signed through 2011 with options for 2012 and 2013.
The Cubs declined his options, but he still hasn't reached 6 years of service time, so he's still property of the Cubs. A matter of fact, he hasn't even reached arbitration eligibility, so for one season he's still an auto-renewal player which means Cubs can pay him essentially whatever they want over the league minimum.
Most players get called up and they are auto-renewal players for the first 3 years and then arb eligible the next 3 years and then free agents. Samardzija signed the somewhat unique major league deal, so his first few years were covered by that contract. The Cubs wisely declined his option this season because he hadn't reached 3 years of service time and hasn't been as good as they wanted, so he's now like any other player with 2+ years of service time although he is out of option years already.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 12:22pm Permalink
So the option was to pay him a lot of money or a little money?
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 12:26pm Permalink
pretty much...
had he reached 3 years or more of service time by the end of 2011 and been a little better, then picking up the option would have made some sense for the Cubs, but the way things worked out, it was a no-brainer to decline it.
Bad thing is he's out of option years though, so he has to stick with the club or be outrighted and then exposed to waivers.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 12:35pm Permalink
Thanks, Rob.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:10pm Permalink
I could be wrong, but I thought that the Cubs can only reduce his salary by 15%?
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:15pm Permalink
oh that's right, good catch...seems to be 20% though.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/...
Because of Samardzija’s service time, he remains under club control as a pre-arbitration-eligible player. Under Major League Baseball rules, the Cubs have the right to renew his contract for no less than 80 percent — $2.24 million — of his 2011 salary.
it was a $3M option, so they save just under $800K.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:50pm Permalink
And they are going to cut his per diem from 50 dollars a day to 20 dollars a day.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 11:26am Permalink
There is no such thing as a lucky year.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 12:04pm Permalink
tell that to Kent Bottenfield
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 1:33pm Permalink
And Corbin Bernsen.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 10:56am Permalink
Samardzija came on strong last year as the season wore on. Towards the end, he looked like the pitcher the Cubs had hoped for a couple of years ago. I believe that is the reason why the Cubs felt comfortable in trading Cashner.
Whether he can do it as a starter, however, is still up in the air.
10 prospects
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 12:21pm Permalink
that raised their stock with fall/winter league performances
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php...
LaHair has gone from a Quad-A hitter to one scouts believe in. He was one of the best hitters in the minors in 2011 with a .331/.405/.664 line for Triple-A Iowa, and he was impressive enough in an end-of-season stint with the Cubs that he's been handed the first-base job, even after the acquisition of Anthony Rizzo. Though things are finally lining up for LaHair, he played in Venezuela this winter and dominated the league; he hit 15 home runs in 169 at-bats and drew nine intentional walks. Just as importantly, he spent some time in left field, hoping to prove that when Rizzo is ready, he'll be able to move, as opposed to just fade away.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:19pm Permalink
That's encouraging. Surely, Soriano will be gone by the time Rizzo is ready to be promoted.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:24pm Permalink
I hope no one thinks LaHair is going to be any better defensively than Soriano out there.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:36pm Permalink
Hold onto that hope, Hollywood Rob, but don't live on it. He that lives upon hope will die fasting.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:51pm Permalink
Maybe LaHair and Soriano can work out as a platoon situation?
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:56pm Permalink
wouldn't that be nice?
$18M per year Soriano will throw a fit if that happens and then Cubs will release him.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 6:40pm Permalink
is it too late to teach LaHair the Sori-hop? at least he will be dirt cheap compared to Soriano.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 6:42pm Permalink
except they'll still be paying Soriano regardless, either to play for them or another team or to sit at home.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:46pm Permalink
Surely he can't be any worse!!
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 3:54pm Permalink
wouldn't put it past him, not like he's a particularly athletic dude and hasn't played that much out there.
While Soriano does a lot of dumb stuff, his defensive ratings have never been horrible out there.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 4:13pm Permalink
When is that new defensive thimabob is coming out? Where they have cameras at every stadium focused on players to get true defensive ratings.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 4:23pm Permalink
Never heard of this - I would think that the player would hate it, because it would catch them napping..
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 4:28pm Permalink
it should help stuff like mike bordick's 2002 season make much more sense when you realize he set up on the outfield grass rather than the dirt at SS.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 4:36pm Permalink
Isn't that why we have you around, crunch?
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 4:39pm Permalink
if you people start talking about the 2002 baltimore orioles i'm outta here...unless you want to talk about tony batista's batting stance cuz that shit was awesome.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 4:47pm Permalink
I think you brought them up... Let me check... Yep!
Hey, what about Tony Batista's batting stance?
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 5:12pm Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHaLNireXnA
lulz
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 6:43pm Permalink
that is some funny shit right there
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 11:53am Permalink
HAH!
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 4:48pm Permalink
Found it FIELD FX
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-03-3...
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 6:47pm Permalink
uh they might have a problem in st. louis cause that squirrel would throw off the software.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 4:23pm Permalink
the thing that kills me the past 2 years about soriano is watching him fumble around with routes while balls pass over his head...it used to be the wasted hop while catching that killed his forward momentum that bugged me.
once a ball gets past him it's game on for the runner...and people don't hold on his arm as much anymore.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 4:12pm Permalink
GO GO GADGET CUBAN SIGNER!!!!
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 4:44pm Permalink
Scouting report on both Cespedes and Soler...
http://orioles-nation.com/2011/12/12/talent-c...
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 4:19pm Permalink
My three year old grand daughter would not be as bad as Soriano in left field.
Cubs hire NY ad agency, piss off Chicago ad execs
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 4:47pm Permalink
http://reelchicago.com/article/chicago-cubs-s...
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 5:07pm Permalink
"The team lost a big chunk of potential fans from Chicago’s advertising industry "...
Is this a good thing or a bad thing???
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 5:09pm Permalink
it's only 1 commercial campaign...they'll have a short term memory about it. besides, they don't want to park their luxury cars anywhere near the white sox park, much less drive there.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 6:52pm Permalink
If butt hurt was in the dictionary, it would have a copy of that article under it.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 10:30pm Permalink
Nah, I think it would have a picture of a sore butt. Maybe a pale one with rosy marks around the tender part.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 5:15pm Permalink
they're the guys that came up with the Baldwin/Krasinski ads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e57dlq7ZA4
if they can actually bring humor to Cubs ads, god bless them, because the sappy bullshit they've been running for years is grading. I want the Twins and Mariners ads.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 8:42pm Permalink
Agreed. "Its a way of Life?" what is? Losing?
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 4:57pm Permalink
his career has been long over besides minors filler these days, but...
"Daryle Ward was suspended 50 games by Major League Baseball for testing positive for amphetamines."
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 12:23pm Permalink
In all fairness, at his age and weight, I'd need them too.
Old School Bosio
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 7:11pm Permalink
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball...
Preview of next winter's free-agent SPs
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 7:27pm Permalink
Dave Cameron: "Next winter, Cole Hamels, Zack Greinke, Matt Cain, Anibal Sanchez, Shaun Marcum, Colby Lewis, and Brandon McCarthy are all slated to hit the market. . ."
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/woul...
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Wed, 01/25/2012 - 9:29pm Permalink
MLB.com top 100
B. Jackson #33
Rizzo #37
Baez #62
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/...
Hak ju lee #46
Archer #74
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 4:56am Permalink
Prediction--before the year is out, Maples and Vogelsong will be on this list, Archer will not.
I wish we still had Hak-ju.
Levine chat
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 12:44am Permalink
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chicago/chat/...
- says Cubs will go after Cespedes and Soler (guess Cespedes makes sense with lack of FA hitters available next offseason and him or Jackson can move to a corner, probably Cespedes. Soler's a few years away).
- completely forgets that Volstad is part of the rotation mix, corrects it
- thinks either Garza gets an extension or he's traded between now and July 31st.
- suggests Hoyer/McLeod talked a reluctant Epstein in trading Cashner for Rizzo
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 9:12am Permalink
I like the idea of Prado for Byrd. Someone make it happen.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 10:08am Permalink
think Byrd was no longer interesting for Braves once they got Bourne
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 1:01am Permalink
ken caminiti aint got shit on this dude...
"Dustin Richardson has been suspended 50 games for testing positive for five different PEDs.
A former fifth-round draft pick, Richardson was released by the Braves earlier this winter after struggling to rein in his control issues last season at the Triple-A level. The 28-year-old could struggle to find a new opportunity."
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 4:29pm Permalink
"Chaz Roe has been suspended 50 games following a positive test for amphetamines."
cut from the Ms in june...2 days, 3 PED announcements
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 4:57pm Permalink
"2 days, 3 PED announcements"
Somebody at MLB must be hyper...
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 4:59pm Permalink
unless darryl ward got there first...suspended for amphetamines yesterday.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 6:25am Permalink
Sox plan on confusing tweeking fans with Sunday uniforms-
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball...
Rob G and E-man-
You see the uniforms are red, and they are called the White Sox!
Crazy, right?
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 6:29am Permalink
I actually really liked those unis and caps back in the day.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 12:32pm Permalink
as soon as you mentioned it was about the Sox I knew not to click on the link.
the system works perfectly....
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 7:00am Permalink
According to MLB Trade Rumors:
Rudy hasn't had much of an impact on the Cubs (the teams that pays his salary), but he is apparently helping players that will be playing against them. Doesn't seem right, does it?
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 11:54am Permalink
FUZZ BOX
Keith Law chat
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 2:06pm Permalink
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/422...
Re: Rizzo
I think the idea that he had "holes exposed" (try taking that phrase out of context) as a 21-year-old in the big leagues is pretty damn silly.
Re: B. Jackson
Well, yeah, it does. If he can't maintain a high enough contact rate against better-quality pitching, the OBP won't hold up.
Re: Soler and if Cespedes is worth over $50M
I'd be in on both, since they're the last truly free international free agents we'll have until eventually baseball realizes they've shot themselves in the foot with the restrictions in the new CBA.
Re: Backloading or frontloading contracts
Teams prefer backloading because it keeps money free in the current year to add more players, and because they're essentially betting on salary inflation. Players prefer backloaded deals because the final year's salary affects potential arbitration cases.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 2:11pm Permalink
Manny Corpas is your 40-man casualty...
outrighted and will now be an NRI to spring training.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 3:09pm Permalink
Thu, 01/26/2012 - 2:11pm — Rob G.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
Manny Corpas is your 40-man casualty...
outrighted and will now be an NRI to spring training.
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ROB G: Per Article XX-D of the CBA, Manny Corpas now has eight days to decide whether to accept the Outright Assignment or elect free-agency. (Players who have accrued at least three years of MLB Service Time and/or been outrighted previously in their career can refuse an Outright Assignment, and Corpas has accrued 4+076 MLB ST through the 2011 season).
If he elects free-agency, he can choose to become a free-agent immediately, or he can defer free-agency until the end of the MLB regular season.
If he elects to become a free-agent immediately, his contract is terminated and he receives no termination pay.
If he defers free-agency until the end of the MLB regular season, his contract remains in force and he is paid at the minor league split rate while on Outright Assignment. Also, he would not have the right to be an Article XX-D minor league free-agent post-2012 if he is added to an MLB 40-man roster prior to the conclusion of the MLB regular season.
The fact that he was not claimed off Outright Waivers makes it pretty obvious that none of the other 29 MLB clubs wanted Corpas if it meant having to add him to their 40-man roster (at least for the salary he's getting from the Cubs), and it is likewise questionable whether he could hope to get the money he's getting from the Cubs if he were to elect free-agency now and sign a minor league contract with another club.
So Corpas will very likely accept the Outright Assignment and defer free-agency until the conclusion of the MLB regular season (presuming he has not been added to an MLB 40-man roster by that time).
BTW, if the Cubs bring Corpas up from the minors and add him back to their MLB Reserve List (40-man roster) at least 20 days after MLB Opening Day, he burns a minor league option (he has two left), even though he was outrighted--not optioned--to Iowa today. However, if the Cubs bring him up from the minors and add him to their MLB Reserve List (40-man roster) prior to the 20th day of the MLB regular season (like if he makes the Cubs 25-man roster out of Spring Training), an option is not charged.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 2:13pm Permalink
http://www.baseballamerica.com/chat/?1327595257
Free Baseball America chat happening...
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 2:24pm Permalink
Leyland says Miguel Cabrera will indeed move to 3B...Tigers pitchers must be thrilled. Fielder, Cabrera and not like Peralta is all that great. Dear god, stay away from Rick Porcello in your fantasy drafts.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 2:33pm Permalink
eek
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 2:58pm Permalink
That's what my girlfriend says when she sees my wife's number flashing on my iPhone.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 3:50pm Permalink
And to top it off, Ryan Raburn at 2B. A defensive minus at every position in the infield. This team almost NEEDS Garza.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 4:17pm Permalink
DET unveils their new infielder's gloves...designed by mickey hatcher
http://multi-medium.net/wp-content/uploads/20...
New Super Stats
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 4:13pm Permalink
http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-super-st...
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 4:17pm Permalink
"Considered a more comprehensive measurement of batting efficiency because it adds more things to other things"
win.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 8:30am Permalink
I liked this one...
"RUNX2: A stat equal to the number of runs scored by a baseball player multiplied by two"
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Thu, 01/26/2012 - 8:14pm Permalink
http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2012/01/cu...
I didn't listen to any of it, but apparently in Goldstein's podcast he believes Cubs are favorites for Cespedes and throws out a $40M figure and that they may already have an offer on the table.
looks like LHP Gerardo Concepcion will decide soon...
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 7:06am Permalink
Our condolences to Theo on the passing of his Puerto-Rican cousin-
http://www.nj.com/entertainment/celebrities/i...
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 8:44am Permalink
it's like so weird, you know.
I'm dyin over here...
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 10:56am Permalink
MLB MLB
BREAKING: @Phillies sign OF Juan Pierre to Minor League contract with invitation to Spring Training.
I betting he doesn't play in MLB next year.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 11:46am Permalink
The good thing about Juan Pierre is that speed never slumps.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:08pm Permalink
No, but as you get older, you might find yourself leading the league in caught stealing for the last two years.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 1:05pm Permalink
Or in an ED commercial.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 5:11pm Permalink
Or leading off the wrong way in a video game commercial.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 11:09am Permalink
The Riot signed with the Giants, reuniting him with TRN's lamely-nicknamed buddy Fountainout.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 11:33am Permalink
It appears as if the Giants now have the lead in short IFers
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 11:47am Permalink
Terrible.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 11:48am Permalink
Bobby Scales is BACK!
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 3:23pm Permalink
FREEDOM!
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 5:36pm Permalink
Fri, 01/27/2012 - 11:48am — Jace
Bobby Scales is BACK!
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JACE: Bobby Scales will probably be a player-coach at Iowa in 2012, coaching 1st base, and getting temporarilily activated whenever they need a body. Meanwhile, Scales will learn the ropes of managing and instruction under the I-Cubs' veteran minor league manager (and ex- Cubs Minor League Field Coordinator) Dave Bialas.
The Cubs have done this many times before. Just for example, Casey Kopitzke, Mark Johnson, Jason Dubois, Franklin Font, and Leo Perez were all player-coaches in the Cubs organization before getting full-time gigs as minor league coaches or managers.
Besides Bobby Scales, other candidates for minor league player-coach next season would include Blake Lalli, David Macias, Carlos Figueroa, and Mario Mercedes.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 11:51am Permalink
what an exciting day in irrelevant ex-Cubs news
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:05pm Permalink
oh yes, the Tigers infield defense is gonna suck..chart in there of the worse defensive infields of all-time and if you don't have the Yankees offense from 2000-2010, the team records aren't too great.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php...
has a list of the worst defensive 3B seasons of all-time, guess which 2 Cubs made it and the year?
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:22pm Permalink
The Answer:
5th worst since 1951 was Ron Cey in 1983, 11th worst was Aramis Ramirez in 2006
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:24pm Permalink
I guessed Cey at some year, not Aram.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 2:19pm Permalink
YOU DIDN'T GIVE ME ENOUGH TIME TO GUESS
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 5:14pm Permalink
That's not entirely fair. The Cubs have had over 2,000 third basemen. By the law of averages, we'll have a lot on any all-time list.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 5:27pm Permalink
it uses FRAA so why bother?
tori hunter agrees strongly since he's evidently a very league average CF'r except for the 2 years where he was ungodly...which is oddly sandwiched between a year he was well below average.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 6:04pm Permalink
to annoy you
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 6:07pm Permalink
obviously not, but FRAA is flunky as hell...more-so than newer UZR formulations, imo. BPros clings to it like a war widow.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:13pm Permalink
Yaquis de Obregon won the Mexican Pacific League title
RHP Marco Carillo, RHP Oswaldo Martinez and INF Alfredo Amezaga were on the team from the Cubs.
I didn't recognize any other Cubs on the roster.
http://www.yaquis.com.mx/
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:18pm Permalink
David Cameron tweet-
In 1982, Bob Stanley faced 694 batters in relief. In 2011, Jeff Samardzija led all relievers with 380 batters faced.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:21pm Permalink
thank you Tony LaRussa for pussifying(that's a word right? it is now) relievers..
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 3:23pm Permalink
did you see how he managed his relievers in the playoffs?
if the cards didnt win that's all people would be talking about.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 1:25pm Permalink
here's the article on if relievers being used on shorter stints is better for the teams
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/are-...
it is fantastic and as most of us agree (besides MLB managers), it doesn't seem to have helped one bit.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:44pm Permalink
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/893980/cubs...
Cubs "window to win" in a fun graphical form
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 1:12pm Permalink
ryan flaherty and marwin gonzalez still on there...
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 1:20pm Permalink
they'll be back :)
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 12:58pm Permalink
Theo probably having a good laugh over this
http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/01/27/li...
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 1:06pm Permalink
that is fantastic...
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 1:19pm Permalink
Is that a true story? Caveat emptor.
The One That Got Away
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 2:21pm Permalink
Ruzz Canzler DFA'd by Rays to make room for Keppinger.
just a tsunami of ex-Cubs news today....
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 3:53pm Permalink
Well...
mikewickett michael wickett tweet-
Corey Hart: "You lose more in the clubhouse with craig counsell leaving than Prince". #brewers
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 11:19pm Permalink
No way, Prince is much bigger.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 4:04pm Permalink
Hey, Anybody get their swing analyzed by Rudy Jaramillo for $150.
http://www.rudyjaramillo.com/5452.html
And then what to make ? of this tidbit from C. Muskat's column on Josh Vitters...
//Stewart has gotten a head start. He attended a mini-camp with Cubs hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo in early January in Mesa and the reports were good.//
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 4:11pm Permalink
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Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 5:49pm Permalink
lou pinella's mom passes away, fwiw.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 5:51pm Permalink
b.selig at "Sox Fest 2012" (wsox) asked about the theo-compensation issue...reply "..it's in my lap."
no idea how long this will drag on.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 8:30pm Permalink
/Bud Selig's Lap'd
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 9:52pm Permalink
vitters interview
http://m.mlb.com/chc/news/article/20120126264...
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 10:52pm Permalink
Lame. Vitters comes across as a woe-is-me, huge chip-on-the-shoulder kid. A call-up "isn't up to me, it's the front office's call" etc...how about you hit better than a 800 OPS in the minors in your SIXTH professional season and maybe someone will take you serious?
Cripes, the Cubs are real men of genius when it comes to having that #3 overall pick, aren't they? Patterson, Montanez, Vitters. Awesome.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Sat, 01/28/2012 - 5:44am Permalink
Not much Muskat writes for the team isn't lame. I didn't take any of Vitters' comments as woe is me. What's he supposed to say? "These clowns called up Campana and not me. WTF?"
Anyway, I think he'll beat the shit out of the PCL this year. I think he stays in Iowa all year and works on his defense and getting into hitter's counts.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Sat, 01/28/2012 - 9:20am Permalink
Yeah, I don't read any amount of complaining in that article.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Sat, 01/28/2012 - 9:56am Permalink
"Any way I can get to the big leagues to help the team is perfect for me," he said.
What a dick...
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Fri, 01/27/2012 - 10:04pm Permalink
lulz...MLBInsideNews "Scott Swaim" closed his account minutes/hours after prince fielder was signed.
at least that's over.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Sat, 01/28/2012 - 5:57am Permalink
fwiw, matt garza was at the bulls game on the 25th. wonder what he's in town for (besides a basketball game)...or if he lives here now in the offseason. he's got 3 kids and at least 1 is school age, maybe 2. he wasn't good at condoms in highschool...supposedly a good family dude, though. whatever, rock on.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Sat, 01/28/2012 - 1:31pm Permalink
TMI
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Sat, 01/28/2012 - 5:14pm Permalink
hey, he married the woman and had 2 more...and still with her.
something worked out.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Sat, 01/28/2012 - 6:29pm Permalink
offseason weekend MLB Network content = the sad.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Sat, 01/28/2012 - 6:38pm Permalink
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball...
brett jackson story.
Bud Selig
on Sun, 01/29/2012 - 2:36pm Permalink
will be making a calculated gamble that Cubs fans are slightly less whiny than Red Sox fans.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Sun, 01/29/2012 - 3:16pm Permalink
Wow! maybe this is meant for overweight Cubs? Or me?
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Sun, 01/29/2012 - 3:26pm Permalink
I really want an Italian beef, some cheese fries, a coke, and a milkshake now. Thank you spammer for making me fatter.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Sun, 01/29/2012 - 4:40pm Permalink
"Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that the Cardinals are "actively shopping" right-hander Kyle McClellan."
i still think it's an error on STL's part not having him as a starter. maybe someone will "fix" that issue. cubs not rumored in the mix, fwiw.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Sun, 01/29/2012 - 10:03pm Permalink
Somebody say something.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Sun, 01/29/2012 - 10:28pm Permalink
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/d...
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Sun, 01/29/2012 - 10:33pm Permalink
That'll do, that'll do.
Frankly, I was hoping for something along the lines of a Rule 34'd Q-Bert/Jose Macias...but "Ugly" Dickshot will do, indeed.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Sun, 01/29/2012 - 10:39pm Permalink
http://fast1.onesite.com/myyesnetwork.com/use...
seriously?
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Sun, 01/29/2012 - 10:42pm Permalink
Serious about what? My desire to see Macias giving it to a hyperrealistic Q-Bert? My appreciation of anyone named Dickshot? Wally Moon needs to find the number for Geo Soto's groomer, methinks.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Sun, 01/29/2012 - 11:55pm Permalink
http://bitsandpieces.us/wp-content/uploads/20...
solid.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Sun, 01/29/2012 - 10:35pm Permalink
Baseball-Reference's EloRater is a fun way to kill time...
http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/elo.cgi
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Sun, 01/29/2012 - 11:06pm Permalink
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/s...
They do the shocker differently out in the country.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:47am Permalink
Spring training really needs to start soon!
Via ROTO
on Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:12am Permalink
https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/164026842...
Cubs sign Trever Miller
Who?
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:31am Permalink
Yup. If the new regime is trying to impress us with its new software capabilities and ability to round up obscure journeymen, it's succeeding.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:05pm Permalink
Actually, he rounded him up for Boston last year using their software.
39 years old. There goes Theo "erring on the side of the future" again!
WALOBS!
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:14pm Permalink
He fluked into a great year in STL in 2009, but I'm not sure even his most optimistic projection for 2012 fetches anything interesting in July.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:18pm Permalink
It's a minor-league deal, so it's not like they're banking on Miller to be our primary LOOGY this year. It's insurance in case the guys we currently have vying for LH roles in the pen don't work out.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:22pm Permalink
I wasn't trying to bitch per se, it just seems like deep insurance and I just meant to say it probably won't ever amount to anything. If two of Russ, Maine, Gaub, and Beliveau go down, then Miller does become important. Just in Des Moines.
Re: The Current NL Central Lineups
on Tue, 01/31/2012 - 7:38am Permalink
wow, if i bought an insurance policy, i sure as heck would wan't more than a band-aid for coverage.