50-Game Mark TCR Reader Survey: Question 1

I will leave these questions open for voting for two days, and we'll revisit them at games 100 and 150.

How satisfied are you with the performance of the Chicago Cubs ball-club?

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Even with a pretty good arm for a left fielder, Ibanez has been pretty bad over his career:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/ibanera01.php

The Hardball times last year, based on his Zone Rating and his Out of Zone plays gave him a grade of F.

Though it's intuitively hard to understand, looking good and playing well in the outfield are not the same thing. And keep in mind that right field in Wrigley is one of the toughest outfield positions to play in MLB.

Not arguing, but just for fun:

What grades do they give Soriano and Burrell?

Soriano F
Burrell F-
Abreu F-
Bradley too little to be graded but didn't look good.
Dunn F-

Now I am curious... wonder who they think is good.

Ryan Braun got a B
Ahh finally, Carl Crawford got an A
Fred Lewis got a B
Chase Headley B

They claimed that they normally distributed the grades, but they must have done it by grouping all outfielders, because left field has a ton of F's.

We need to fake label the entire state! Damn Francour!

Can we trade Z to the Yankees for a couple of pitching prospects and package those with our own bums to get Peavy?

If we have to eat any of Z's contract, maybe we can get the Pad's to eat a little of Peavy's to help offset the money. Actually, all the fuckers involved, players, owners, etc. are all rich, so I don't care who pays what.

And I see Vitters in the majors being a bad 1970's style DH unless he learns the goddamn strike zone. Vitters is on a pace for 14 walks if he gets 500 ab's this year. The only good thing is right now, in low A, he's only going to k 81 times in 500 ab's, but those numbers will likely go up as he faces better pitching. He needs to learn the strike zone, and I'm of the belief that hitters aren't taught the strike zone, they are either naturally gifted or hackers. Maybe Vitters projects as a .260 30 hr, 180k guy in the majors, but that's not a blue chip prospect. That's Russell Branyon territory.

Arizona Phil, have you seen Vitters in person? What do you think he projects to right now?

So your theory on Vitters is that the competition will get better, but he will not. You realize he's 19, playing with a bunch of guys who are 22 or 23? Then there's the whole "he doesn't walk, therefore he can't play third base" thing you've got going on.

He's on pace for 37 HR's against those 81K's. He's one of the top 20 prospects in baseball, calm down.

I'm not talking about whether he can play 3b, I'm saying unless he learns the strike zone he's going to resemble Corey Patterson, Felix Pie, Ryan Harvey, and a countless stream of other over-hyped Cubs busts.

Well you said you see him as a DH.

Harvey was a year older than Vitters when he was in the midwest league, he hit 24 HR's against 137 K's in 467 at bats.

Pie was a year younger, hit only 4 HR's and K'd 98 times in 505 at bats.

Patterson had 20 HR's against 85 K's in 475 at bats at the same age as Vitters, and would have been an all-star player in 2003 if not for blowing out his knee.

Alex Rodriguez K'd 44 times against 14 HR's in his 248 at bats in the Midwest league.

Walks are good, but to tell if a guy can hit at a level, K rate is more important.

Now if you're more making an beef against the minor league organization and how they don't encourage hitters to take walks, I can 100% support that. But if you don't think Vitters is a top prospect... well, you're in the Flat Earth Society.

A 1970's DH style hitter.

You didn't include that ARod's minor league career his k to bb rato was 2:1, not 5:1 like Vitters.

And we all know how well Korey's career has gone.

These guys are rushed through the Cubs system with apparently no emphasis on learning the strike zone. Then the Cubs brass are shocked that the players struggle against big league pitching.

You need to quit using K to BB ratio as your tool for evaluating strike zone discipline. Was Andre Dawson a major league hitter? Shawon Dunston? Joe Carter?

Just look at K rates, that tells you whether the guy is hitting what he's swinging at.

An interesting note: Mike Murphy on the Score radio in Chicago replayed an interview he had with the Iowa play by play guy, Dean something I think. This was from when Randy Wells first was called up to face the Brewers, and the announcer said that when Wells was with Toronto in spring training and for a few weeks at the beginning of 2008, Roy Halladay taught Wells a sinker, which has made Wells a much more complete pitcher, according to the announcer.

and Bruce Levine's take on Z missing the flight...

http://espn.go.com/chicago/columns/blog?post=42271...

Cubs movie soon...

http://muskat.mlblogs.com/

Clearly the reality is scarier than anything they can think up for the big screen.

Pie/Orioles = Patton/Cubs, some potential but mostly useless and wasting a roster spot.

http://masnsports.com/2009/06/macphail-on-pie.html

From that link:
"Sudhir said:
I totally agree with Mr. MacPhail. It's good to have a backup, who is a legitimate CF. Pie, probably, is confused because of overcoaching."

Oh Orioles fan, you'll learn eventually. Does Maryland not get WGN?

crunch, I have to agree with you.

This is a waste of medical resources. It's a castration of the medical staff where they no longer need clinical judgement. Every ingrown toenail gets the mega workup. Might want to draw some bloodwork on Bradley to see if he has Dontrelle Willis disease while they are at it.

It's unlikely that an MRI will give more info than an office exam...unless they get the radiologist to dictate some gibberish and then use that to put Bradley on the 60 day DL.

Bruce Levine coming on ESPN radio shortly.

edit: he didn't have any news on the all important MB MRI. Bradley Day-to Night- to Day-to Night...

sori, riot, fuky (rf), lee, font (3b), rejo (cf), hill, blanco, lilly.

as will Soto...
This lineup sucks.

It's one thing to have this lineup this shitty every once in awhile when players are resting, but this type of caliber lineup basically everyday SUCKS. The starting pitchers can't pitch good enough to overcome the lack of runs and shittiness of the bullpen. Changes need to be made and soon...

Well that pretty much guarantees us an 9-3 win.

HA HA That is probably right!

What changes, Manny? Lets hear some ideas.

Adding a bullpen arm and adding a bat would be the changes I would be looking at. As for exact changes, I am not sure who is available, so I can't tell you you Hendry should go after.

Where would you play this 'bat'. What would you trade for these guys?

Can we trade Theriot for Hanley, then Fontenot+Scales for Utley?

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  • Drew Storen DFA'd by Bluejays. Another once interesting reliever who fell off a cliff. Bosio fixer-upper vs. irreparably broken?

    Cubster 16 min 8 sec ago view
  • Don't want.

    Charlie 39 min 11 sec ago view
  • Ken Davidoff, NY Post...

    An industry source told The Post that the Yankees had asked serious Chapman suitors — a list believed to include the Nationals, the Cubs and the Indians, as well as a mystery team — for their best and final offers. While that doesn’t clinch a trade of Chapman, the impending free agent, it makes such a transaction darn likely. The Yankees intend to hold onto Miller, who is signed through 2018.

    I'm thinking mystery team is the Tigers or Giants

    Cubster 40 min 11 sec ago view
  • from Iowa yesterday in extended inning starts, Cahill was bad/Matusz was pretty good. Soler (0-3, walk), Coghlan (1-3, double, walk) did play in AA.

    Cubster 44 min 36 sec ago view
  • That's a hell of a first impression by Montgomery. Brian Cashman having a good laugh on that debut.

    Eric S 12 hours 54 min ago view
  • ...and it's a 3 run homer.

    hey, vogelbomb had a HR on his 1st game with SEA AAA, too!

    crunch 13 hours 14 min ago view
  • montgomery comes on with men on 1st/2nd, 2 out, in the 8th.

    crunch 13 hours 16 min ago view
  • from rotoworld...

    "Tommy Stokke of FanRag Sports reports Chris Sale was sent home from U.S. Cellular Field on Saturday after cutting up throwback jerseys that he did not want to wear.

    crunch 13 hours 23 min ago view
  • I thought the same. It'd be great luck to face these non-contenders after the trade deadline.

    Charlie 15 hours 6 min ago view
  • ...why isn't j.lucroy playing for TEX yet?

    :(

    2r HR on a 12-pitch AB.

    crunch 15 hours 40 min ago view
  • nathan to join the cubs tomorrow.

    crunch 16 hours 14 min ago view
  • Wow in deed.

    Rob Richardson 16 hours 18 min ago view
  • FOX Sports @MLBONFOX
    Chris Sale was scratched from tonight's scheduled start due to a clubhouse incident before the game

    ...wow

    he was sent home by the team, too. the wsox released a press statement and everything. they stated it was non-physical in nature.

    crunch 16 hours 24 min ago view
  • He was scratched from his start today. No reason given.

    Rob Richardson 16 hours 28 min ago view
  • At the start of the season the book was that he was trying to pitch to more contact so he could stay in the game longer and it seems to be working so far. Contact against is 77.5% this year and it was 70.2% the year before. He averaged 6.7 IP/game last year and so far it's 7 IP/game. His actual pitches per game are only down to 106.1/game from 107.2/game last year but if he's able to go a bit farther into games without throwing more pitches and without giving up more runs that is a good thing.

    johann 17 hours 32 min ago view
  • sale's skills and insane value makes it almost too hard to have a market for the guy...he's got 3/38m owed to him over 3 seasons (2 team options). he could easily pull in 30m/yr if he was on the market as a FA.

    he's throwing a bit differently this season, especially with more sliders and less changeups like earlier in his career, but all his stuff still looks great even if the HRs are a little elevated and the Ks are down.

    crunch 19 hours 27 min ago view