Game 86 Thread / Cubs @ Giants (4 of 4)

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SP Sean Gallagher SP Tim Lincecum
  3-3, 4.36, 47 K, 20 BB, 53.2 IP
9-1, 2.38, 114 K, 43 BB, 109.2
LF Reed Johnson LF *Fred Lewis
RF *Kosuke Fukudome 2B #Ray Durham
1B Derrek Lee RF #Randy Winn
3B Aramis Ramirez C Bengie Molina
CF *Jim Edmonds CF Aaron Rowand
C Geovany Soto 1B *John Bowker
2B Mark DeRosa 3B Jose Castillo
SS Ryan Theriot SS #Omar Vizquel
P Sean Gallagher P Tim Lincecum












In roster moves, Reed Johnson was activated today with Eric Patterson getting sent down. Matt Murton thanks you Eric Patterson for your defensive ineptitude. Proud papa Aramis Ramirez is back in the lineup as well.

As for the game, the Cubs will try to derail Tim Lincecum's bid to start the All-Star game, while Sean Gallagher tries to stay in the starting rotation with Carlos Zambrano due back tomorrow. A look at their photos on makes me think I'm looking at the Baby Looney Tunes version of what should be the actual pitching matchup.













Go Cubs! (obligatory text to get the image to not overlap everything)


thanks to their awful bullpen. It is nice to know were not going to lose a game to them today, because they get to feast on the underbelly of a bad Pittsburgh staff why we are dealing with the Cards.

D-Backs score 6 in the 9th to beat the Brewers 6-5 - Torres takes the loss.

This gets the scrappy award for the week. That was some gritty baseball played by the D-Backs. Congrats to them. Of course it doesn't hurt anything that it was against the Brewers. I blame Mike Maddux.

I stopped looking at the Brewers score in the 8th. oops.
They need to go away. If this is a two team race I can deal, especially when the loser seems destined for the wildcard. A 3 team race mucks everything up.

Its crazy that, entering play today, the three best records in the majors were in the central. Who knew?

And I have to say that I my man-crush on DeRosa is exploding as of late. Love the way he plays the game, hits the ball, plays all over the field. Can the guy pitch?

the three best records in the majors were in the central.


Rays, White Sox, Angels, and Red Sox all have better records than the Cardinals or the Brewers. And the Ray have a better record than the Cubs.

Maybe you meant in the National League? Because the Cubs, Cards, and Brewers have the top 3 records in the NL, though the Brewers are tied with the Phillies.

it's amazing how much better this lineup looks (By name and reuptation) than the last 3 days.

for the record, this lineup sucks.

Well, this went to shit quickly...

A half-inning of Gallagher throwing BP and dashes of Cubbery add up to a steep hill to climb against the SI cover boy.

the brewer bullpen explosion reminds me of the game last year that Dempster/Eyre imploded against the Mets (blowing a 5-1 lead). Wasn't a blown save but it might have been the single most relevant reason Lou wanted to move Dempster out of the closing role.


WTF is wrong with Marmol?

My god, Marmol just looked lost out there - that pitch was absolutely crushed, a belt - high meatball serving. Something's not right with his head, his stuff looked fine at the beginning.

I think he may be done.

Marmol 'done' why would you think that? Maybe he's going to be ineffective for a while, but like career over done? The kid is only 25 years old.

He's painful to watch lately. No command. Lost out there
I'm worried.

last ten appearances, 7.2 innings pitched

10 earned runs on only five hits
8 walks
3 hit batters
3 home runs
2 yanks after getting nobody out

Perhaps Marmol should join Rich Hill in AZ.

This is ridiculous -- can't ever remember a guy going from lights out to a total disaster so fast.

So, the bullpen is now Howry and Wood? Yikes.


- Bummer for Gallagher -- only gave up 4 hits, but they were all in the same inning.

- Why replace Ascanio with Marmol? Odd move.

- Is the plan to have Soto catch every game for the rest of the year?

- Why replace Ascanio with Marmol? Odd move.

Maybe a bigger is why take Gallagher out after just 74 pitches?

As for Marmol... he has developed a rep for putting out fires, so that situation is exactly what Marmol is in the bullpen for.

If this were pre-Tampa meltdown, I agree. Since then, not so much. This makes HRs in 3 straight outings.

Maybe Marmol can be the next Ankiel.

Sure... but I think that, right or wrong, Lou still sees Marmol as the man to put out fires.

Marmol should not have been out there. It makes no sense to put in a guy who is struggling the way Marmol is into a a guy on 1st and 3rd no out and down by a run in the 7th sitaution.

I don't necessarily disagree... I was just answering the question about why he was in there.

I think Lou still trusts him.

Regarding Gallagher's pitch count:

"Piniella said he took Sean Gallagher out after five innings Thursday so he could be used in the bullpen, though he didn't say Gallagher would replace Marmol as a set-up man."

That makes no sense. I doubt after throwing 74 pitches his arm could be rested enough to pitch in the STL series. The next game after the cardinals series is on Tuesday which would be the normal 4-days rest that a SP usually gets for Gallagher.

The earliest he could be in the pen is Sunday, which would be his throw day.

I guess he could make like a 10 pitch appearance on Saturday, but I don't see why somebody like him would be needed in such a situation.

Mets up 9-0 -- LaRussa leaving Boggs in to take the beating. One way to save your bullpen, I guess.

Update on Superman -- Jay Bruce down to .286 (although he did go yard twice yesterday).

For the first time all season I'm starting to wonder a little. We really don't have any kind of a bullpen without Marmol at his best. I had already considered him 'cured' in the Baltimore series but these are 3 psychologically bad outings in a row.

If we can just take one in St. Louis, it won't be a disaster and we'd still be in first, with 6 home games with the Reds and Giants coming up.

Somebody take Cain and Lincecum out to Rush Street when the Giants come to town.

Hey, it worked for Pie and The Farns.

Good thing the Brewers blew today's game.

The have played 9 more road games than home, and tomorrow start a 10-game homestand against the Pirates, Rockies and Reds.


Gallagher pitched pretty well... again.

Even in his bad inning, he didn't get hit that hard other than Lewis' triple.

Oh... and ESPN is reporting that the Indians are scouting the Brewers AA team in connection to a possibly Sabathia trade...

The Brewers and the Rays are the teams that actually have alot to give for Sabathia. If Hendry was somehow able to pull that off it would be complete thievery. Sure the Brewers upgrade Sabathia over McClung, but they still have the same bullpen issues that they had last year, I'd go more after Fuentes or other relievers than Sabathia.

Sabathia and Prince on the same team?

The pre-game meal would be a sight to behold.

Well I heard they are going to trade for Alexi Ramirez and David Eckstein to save some some food for Prince and CC.

Mets now up 11-0 --- and Boggs is still pitching.

What did this kid do to piss off LaRussa?

Its Larussa's mo to get as many IP out of his SP in this type of situation. Marquis had to do it a couple of times in 06 and I agree with the logic behind it. Why burn up your pen in a game you know you lost when your facing your big struggling 1st place rival this weekend and can with a sweep take over 1st place.

lou shortened gallagher because he over extended his pitch
count last start

If Melvin's willing to offer LaPorta plus Alcides Escobar, that might be a done deal. Dunno if he'd do that, though.

If that ends up being Melvin's offer, I don't know if the Cubs can match that with 7 or 8 players.

A quick side note... Brewers beat writer Tom Haudricourt has a new post up saying the Brewers would never offer both.

"By the way, I have it on good authority the Brewers would never send LaPorta AND shortstop Alcides Escobar to the Indians for Sabathia."

You can argue the stupidity of the trade either way. I think the Brewers should be apprehensive to trade LaPorta considering they're almost certain to lose Scott Boras client P.Fielder in 2 years. Although I suppose they could groom Mat Gamel as a 1B since he's Ryan Braun redux defensively at 3B. Then from the other side you can argue it's one giant push for a title and with them in all likelyhood losing Sheets and Sabathia and getting 5 Supplemental picks in the '09 draft. Or possibly 6 if Gagne can turn his season around so they could reload rather quickly. Either way, and even with Sabathia the Brewers free swinging offense can either light it up or easily go 2007 Cubs vs Dbacks non-existent so even with Sabathia I don't see them as a lock to usurp the Cubs even if Hendry does nothing at the deadline. However, it could lead to Hendry overpaying for Burnett or Harden. If Sabathia comes to the Brewers, I see Burnett in Cubbie blue. Reportedly JP is itching for a ML ready SS and I think we have one of those to spare.

I was at the game today and they just seemed off. From Soto dropping a routine pop fly in the infield to Edmonds taking a horrible path to Lewis' triple to Marmol continuing to look lost, the Cubs just seemed as if they had already departed to St. Louis. Gallagher looked great, however. The inning he struggled was not as bad as it looked. DLee could have easily stabbed Rowand's hard hit liner and the only other hard hit ball was Freddie Lewis' triple. Two hard hit balls (and one that could have been an out) is not deserving of four runs.

Why Lou took Gallagher out before the 6th, when the pitchers spot was due up first in the 7th for the Cubs is a mystery to me. How the game would have been different if Gallagher would have shut them down in the 6th and then Wuertz in the 7th (as he did in the 6th).

Hopefully St. Louis is better.

So, the Cubs have won 3 of their last 7?

Formerly reliable players stumbling?

Rivals looking more tenacious? Looking to improve their rosters?

Time to start dreaming of next year?

I hate Chicken-Littling, but it's in my blood. I cannot deny who I am.

*cracks open some Ripple*

*ripples open some crack*

Yea, this C.C. to the Brewers crap is really not cool....

Jeffy was hitting 234/287/374 this year. He's headed to the AA Mississippi Braves until at least the All-Star Break.

OK, say the Brewcrew gets CC - I don't think that shifts the balance of power definitely, and their BP still sucks (much worse tha ours, even at this moment). I still like our chances, and the season's not even half over. Many things can transpire over the next few months, let's try to keep it all in perspective.

Peoria has won ten in a row.

Jay Jackson started Thursday, pitched well.

Iowa has won 8 of last 9. McGehee with 62 RBI.

had a two-week contract with Iowa.

Also, I-Cubs pitchers J.R. Mathes and Mike Burns have been named to the Pacific Coast League All-Star team.
Just two Iowa Cubs picked.

"Peoria has won ten in a row."

Man, our farm system sucks. After all, it's only about W/L records, no?

Marmol tipping his pitches?

Funny how something like that travels around both leagues but Rothschild doesn't catch on. (Not a big fan of his.)

Me neither and I'll tell you why. Len & Bob dropped this anecdote about Ryan Dempster the other day. Dempster said he started listening to everything Greg Maddux told him after Maddog showed him how to analyze and learn things from watching video. Dempster said he had no idea what he was looking at before then. It was just tv.

Now isn't that what you'd expect your pitching coach, or someone else in the system to be teaching to your pitching staff?

Greg Maddux for pitching coach.

"Funny how something like that travels around both leagues but Rothschild doesn't catch on."

funny how the article mentions neither.

it mentions lou wondered aloud if he was tipping.

it definately doesnt mention if he is tipping...and it sure as hell doesn't mention others knowing...much less 2 leagues.

where did this crap come from?

That crap came from 100 years of paranoid worry based on misinformation.

Reds SP Adam Harang will miss his saturday start because of forearm soreness. I wonder if he'll be ready for his next start which should be Thursday vs the Cubs at Wrigley.

Norris Hopper gets Tommy John surgery

Joe Borowski again on the scrap heap...gets DFA from the Indians after pooching a game this week vs WSux.
Carlos, can you get him a job in the Mexican league again?

I don't get it. Joe Borowski who last pitched for the Cubs in early 2005 is relevant today, but the Nolasco, Pinto & Mitre trade is not.


dont think anyone cares about pinto and mitre...esp. when mitre was being traded in a position where he couldnt be sent down without being exposed to waivers.

its 3 years later and nolasco, the gem of the trade, is finally paying off for them.

hendry got his 200 hit, in scoring position 100-ish times a year, leadoff speedster...florida got a nice pitching package.

think everyone would like to have nolasco back, though.,070408...

Could be problematic for Z to get a win with that low a pitch count.

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  • based on what SF has been doing every other year lately, getting access to the postseason playoffs seems to be what's important. bring on dat short series!

    that said, skipping the sudden death 1-game WC would be nice from here on out.

  • I know what you are saying, but I feel compelled to point out that there's no such thing as luck, curses, etc. The Cubs this year have as good as a chance as the Pirates to move on to the next round. If the Cubs proceed to the next round or not tomorrow, it will not be because of luck, but because one team outlasted the other. When/if the Cubs are lucky enough to make it to the league series, that's where they may find their biggest challenge. The Dodgers have a good, deep pitching staff.

  • debuting the new format 1 game "sudden death" WC matchup at yankee stadium does a perfect job of showing the intense emotion and drama this game can be.

    that said, i'm ready to not see yankee stadium or hear fans at yankee stadium for another 5 and 1/2 months. at least i don't have to sit through the braves with their "tommy hawk chawp" this postseason.

  • i'd like to know why the internet radio feed of the game (which is always delayed by a few seconds at best) is almost a minute faster than the ESPN cable TV coverage. wtf?

  • i dont know what order they'll be in, but i pretty much expect fowler/schwarb/rizzo/bryant/montero/castro/lastella/arrieta. any change at all (aside from the first 4 guys) wouldn't shock me, though. coghlan is still a wildcard in the lineup joe could always march d.ross out there with very slow arrieta pitching.

  • Yup. Have to agree. Baseball, like golf, certainly has that psych component for the player. There is no real reason why a fielding position should affect a batting average. The Cubs are 106 years over due for a little luck. Don't you guys think so? Maybe the rookies can bring some dumb luck on.

  • probably stacking capable lefties vs cole while keeping the "hot" castro in the game. fwiw, he's 1-6 lifetime with 0 bb/k vs cole (double).

    i chalk bryant's issues at the plate while playing OF up to coincidence so far.

  • I will call your dead horse, "Trigger".

    In one game, when anything is possble, I am glad that Joe Maddon is our Manager.

    He knows the stats better than all of us. It would seem, IF La Stella gets the start at 3B, it will be only up to the point that they were to get the lead (crosses fingers). From everything I have read, the game will be managed like a hoops game: offense/defense. So expect La Stella to be out of the game by the 5th. This team is incredibly deep which is so surprising. We never woulda thunk it.

  • i don't know what their roster plans are, but j.herrera is out there practicing with the team.

    i can't imagine him making any roster, though. dude had 4 PA the entire month of sept. him being a good dude to be around while keeping the clubhouse loose seems to be his main role at this point.

  • I know it's my own personal dead horse to beat --but Bryant has been a lousy hitter when playing the OF this year. Given that it's his first playoff game, I really hope they keep him in his natural position and don't mess with his routine.

    Lousy as in 8-for-45 with one XBH and no HR. Small sample and all that -- but why take the chance?

  • hard to tell what's up given they'll probably want to stack as many good lefties into the lineup as possible.

    castro being a bit hot doesn't help things. if he was still cool they'd probably stick la stella at 2nd and call it a day.

  • Madden won't announce lineups but Stella is practicing at 3rd and Bryant in LF today. I'd rather see Bryant at 3rd but I guess Stella has been hotter than Coghlan.

    /edit. Though I guess they could be practicing this with the idea Stella would come in as a PH then double switch him to 3rd base and Bryant to LF. Hope that's the plan instead

  • I really like the sound of that idea about expanding the AFL to ten teams. Each org. gets to field more players.
    They should do that anyway, regardless of Adv. Instructs.

  • Dallas Beeler, Corey Black, David Garner, Pierce Johnson, Steve Perakslis, James Pugliese, Duane Underwood Jr, and Rob Zastryzny threw early-morning bullpen side-sessions at Riverview yesterday.  

    Underwood threw last, and received specific one-on-one instruction from pitching coach Mike Mason. 

  • HAGSAG: There are only five advanced instructs squads left, and presently the only "co-op" team operating is the Angels/Cubs.

    The league was originally established as a "parallel" league to the AFL (a sort of "junior AFL"), for players too advanced for traditional ("basic") instructs but who were unable to get placed on AFL rosters due to AFL player-limits.

  • He is but I would think it'd be better to start out with offense and then bring in Jackson and LaStella once they have a lead. Stella has very good PH #s too.