Gameday Open Thread / Split Squad Action

Alfonso Soriano returns to the lineup today with Jon Lieber taking the mound against the Snakes at HoHoKam Park. Sean Marshall will face Rich Harden against the A's in Phoenix for the other game.

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i would say f the orioles but i would be all for the cedeno for davis trade
with sanfrancisco/ safe are assets for july trade deadline.

wgn has the game against arizona on so we will get jon lieber on tv
any idea who else will be pitching in this game.

Not available on the web but in today's paper:

-ISFA will make offer next week for Wrigley Field. Kenny hopes to have "framework for a transaction" by opening day.

-This would allow major renovation paid by trib, naming rights owner, new team owner and city. Which means Cub would be homeless for part of a season or whole season. They would play at US Cellular, although Sox not notified tough shit, ISFA owns that park too.

-Advantage of ISFA owning Cubs, more night games. Closer to league average of 54.

-Kenney does not expect Cubs sale to stretch into 2009, but the CUbs books have not been provided to approved potential buyers yet.

-Movie production of Cubs season will be filmed throughout the year. "We Believe;Chicago and its Cubs" should be ready for Sundance next year.

-Whatever the new name of stadium or renovation, Kenney said "we are not going to touch the existing scoreboard".\

jacos- But in Trib he mentioned they could change name on marquee in front due "to first ammendment"

-Two concerts this summer at Wrigley

And for Carlos-
Cubs plan on putting games on radio in Spanish though no deal through radio station has been made.

This from Gordon Wiitenmyer in todays' Sun times.

"-Advantage of ISFA owning Cubs, more night games. Closer to league average of 54."

I was under the impression that the Cubs have always tried to play more night games but the city won't allow it.

Chad:
"I was under the impression that the Cubs have always tried to play more night games but the city won't allow it."

That is true Chad, it has nothing to do with who owns the stadium, it has to do with Wrigeyville. I still haven't heard one good reason for the city to own Wrigley except it guarantees the team to stay there for 30 years since they are going to stronghold new owner into a 30 year lease.

That 'First Amendment' crap is nonsense. And apologies to all, but it's so horribly misused and misunderstood that it bugs me.

Cliff Notes: It's a FEDERAL issue. I don't think washington dc is going after the wrigley marquee (marquis?) - so the 1st amend. has nothing to do with anything.

It's your sign. You CAN do whatever you want with it, but the real question is SHOULD you?

Gibbon:
"It's your sign. You CAN do whatever you want with it, but the real question is SHOULD you?"

It isn't totally theirs. I think it is one of the things that is under historical status and thus needs approval from someone else, not sure if it is the City/State/Federal governments, to make changes.

The more Crane Kenney talks and acts like the new face of the Cubs, the more reason I see why the Trib was doing so bad.

you cant replace a doorknob at wrigley without the proper paperwork.

every tax advantage they take requires the proper paperwork. they're the ones that wanted the landmark status.

That's exactly my point.

The advantages for landmark status demand cooperating with state agencies and restrictions inherent in the designation, but to claim some overarching federal mandate like 'free speech' is being impeded is the height of absurdity.

And I wasn't all that clear in my comments earlier - what I mean is, yes, they own the marquee and can do with it what they want (not entirely true I know as there are governmental issues) but should they (do they really want to set into motion the governmental dominoes that have to fall to alter signage?)

Kenney should just shut up and leave the 1st amendment interpretation to the lawyers. Oh wait. Aren't they the ones who misused it in the first place?

This was asked before, not sure if there was an answer or consensus -- I'm watching the game on WGN and Soto does look heavier than he did last September. What do people think?

Soto definetly looks more ovoid then he did when he got called up last year.

tye dye wright...good ol' number 95...gets to make sportscenter tonite with a stupid, but nice catch.

oops...wrong reply area...

to bring it back on subject it looks like s.gallagher's dropped the amount of weight soto's put on. =p

loober delivering with the 82-86mph HEAT!!!

great location for him early...impressive even if the velocity is (hopefully) still working its way up.

added bonus...he was throwing his sinker. he had almost abandoned it the past couple years. his sinker was at 82-84mph, though...

loober works 4 today...a little wild up in the inning, but got it done.

couldnt ARZ field some legit regulars today? wtf...

judging loober by things you should judge him by this early in spring...his slider and location...both are there and pretty advanced for this time of year. his velocity is working the low-mid 80s, though. as mentioned above he's breaking out his splitfinger...the first batter of the game got almost nothing but splitters.

Did Owings bat 7th?!?

Drew and Reynolds are regulars. Guess that's what you get for a road split squad game.

The Cubs only started one regular (and their worst at that) at their road game.

Looks like Roquet bailed out Marshall... get used to that if you want to be in the Cubs pen.

samninja got lit up a bit in the boxscore...

Man, I hope he continues his success through the Spring. He had a real good performance again today 3.0 IP, 2 hits, 2 K, 0 BB, 0 ER. I hope Lou doesn't just give it to a "veteran" and push Marshall to the pen or AAA like he did last year. Marshall deserves a legit shot.

Early in the game Len or Bob mentioned Dempster was the #3 starter followed by Rich Hill at #4 with Lieber, Marshall, Marquis in a battle for the 5th.

Dont ask me how they came to that conclusion.

Bob also seems to be pretty sure howry isn't going to move out of his setup role. He did mention that howry is still in the competition for the mix, though.

fuku with his first SB attempt...late jump, not sprinting fast...nailed by a step and 1/2 on a low (but clean) throw.

I though the way Lee went after that pitch, and the bad jump indicated it was a hit and run.

true.

Pie shows off the arm to hold the runner...Eyre stinking it up.

I was a little disapointed to see Lansford not make the play on that first hit of the inning. The way everyone's talking up his D, I'm looking for Brooks Robinson.

Article on Fantasy breakout candidates, lenght blurb on Pie:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2008/columns/s...

nice swing on that change Cedeno...ugh.

Beautiful double play he turned though.... Just wish he would get hot at the plate to get a shot at unseating Theriot.

TV guys said Ward with a homer in the A's game and Murton with the go-ahead double.

Pie takes a crappy swing on a 2-0 count and grounds out...Ascaino coming in.

only watched the last 2 innings myself, but Fontenot showed some nice defense on those highlights.

I saw part of the Ari game, but with no sound (stupid BW's) ... anyhoo, who's wearing #80, was that Vitters?!?!

I posted this a couple of days ago but it makes more sense in this thread.

There's an interesting short piece on the state buying Wrigley Field in The Reader that came out today. Ben Joravsky, who has written a lot on Chicago's TIF (tax increment financing) says-

"Under the plan the state would issue bonds to pay for rebuilding Wrigley... Here's the tricky part: sales taxes going to the city would be frozen and any increase in revenues spurred by the renovation (including extra seats) would go to the state to repay the loans. 'The city would have to give up their share of the sales tax increment for the next 30 years,' Jim Thompson said."

A Joravsky correctly points out later in the article - money spent to refurbish Wrigley Field is money that can't be spent elsewhere. It's tied up in the park and will be slowly paid back from now until the year 2038. The needs of things like schools and parks will have to be payed for with money found elsewhere - probably through service cuts and tax hikes.

It's the same as so many companies these days who are supposedly free market concerns - they socialize their risk by using government dough. Nice work if you can get it...

jim edmonds seems to be hurt again out for the rest of march

bynum's gonna be out 4-6+ weeks following knee surgery...he was pretty much a sure thing to either start at SS or be worked off the bench for the O's.

According to Sporting News Radio (Overnight for the Score) a Crisp for Marquis and Fuld deal is close. Seems too good to be true.

No way, seriously? Were there any cash considerations mentioned?

alehandra tejeda is not bad either

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  • btw...Thanks AZ Phil. I'm really enjoying your take on this trade.

    Cubster 6 min 51 sec ago view
  • I'm a bit disappointed on the Warren experience. Essentially they gave Castro away for crickets (OK, well they signed Zobrist with the Castro salary dump). Otherwise one might look at it as Chapman for Castro and our #1 minors prospect (Torres) + McKinney/Crawford. Seems pricey for a 2 month rental. We will see if this price tag is that steep in a relative way based on the remaining deadline deals for relievers.

    Cubster 7 min 19 sec ago view
  • Yep. One of the great things about this team (in addition to being really good at baseball) was the "likable" factor. Feels a bit different now. Who knows...maybe Chapman will be the king of the dance parties.

    billybucks 16 min 8 sec ago view
  • Here are some possible corresponding minor league moves we might see in the aftermath  of the Chapman trade: 

    SOUTH BEND to MYRTLE BEACH: OF Donnie Dewees and INF Bryant Flete  

    EUGENE to SOUTH BEND: OF Robert Garcia and INF Vimael Machin 

    There is really no reason to replace Billy McKinney at Tennessee because both Chris Coghlan and Jorge Soler are doing their rehab at Tennessee.  

    And there are plenty of pitchers at Iowa. No need to replace Warren at AAA. .  

    Arizona Phil 36 min 18 sec ago view
  • I am 70 years old. The Cubs last played in the World Series in 1945. I was born in 1946. I hate to lose a prospect like Torres, but when the opportunity is there to get that World Series ring, you go for it. This was the idea in stock piling all this young talent. I would like to see Reddick added now and the Cubbies should be done.

    Hagsag 1 hour 6 min ago view
  • I would expect Richard to accept an optional assignment because based on how he's played this season, there is a decent chance that he won't find work elsewhere. Rather stay and potentially get a ring. Same goes for Coghlan since he's struggled mightily this year.

    Edwards should not go down. He's pitched very well and Maddon is very impressed with him. I would expect Grimm to go down for Cahill so he can get back on track (he's pitched better in July, but he's not getting enough appearances).

    chitownmvp01 1 hour 10 min ago view
  • chitownmvp01: Indeed Clayton Richard would seem to be odd man out once Chapman reports, but Richard might accept a minor league assignment if he is promised a return to Chicago on 9/1 when MLB Active List rosters expand (Richard has minor league ioptions left).

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 13 min ago view
  • The only player in the deal that would cause me a second thought is Gleyber Torres.

    McKinney and Crawford are decent prospects but both are redundant/replaceable in the system and Warren was really only a middle-reliever or #6 starter, so to me it's really just Torres for Chapman.

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 33 min ago view
  • There is no Comp pick for players traded mid-season. 2+ months of Chapman is it.

    mbauer 1 hour 36 min ago view
  • to get one of the best you have to give up one/some of your best...but it's a bit painful to watch the system's best prospect walk for any 2-3 month rental, especially one that's not an everyday player.

    crunch 1 hour 38 min ago view
  • I assume Chapman will replace Richard on the roster, but who goes down when Cahill gets activated? Maybe Grimm?

    And when Soler and Coghlan get healthy, how do they fit them on the roster when they're ready to be activated?

    chitownmvp01 1 hour 41 min ago view
  • We are giving up a lot, but it's not like we're trading Addison Russell for 2+ months of Jason Hammel. When impact players become available, they are going to cost you. The other bids could also have been high.

    Having Chapman as a rental is potentially less disruptive than having him come in with an extension in place. 

    CTSteve 1 hour 43 min ago view
  • Billy McKinney had season-ending knee surgery last August and came to Minor League Camp this year somewhat restricted. (He was used mostly as a DH in Cactus League Minor League Camp games), and I'm not sure he's 100% right now (he's repeating AA, and his XBH numbers are way down, like he's not getting good rotation in his lowev half). That might have been part of the reason why the trade wasn't completed right away.

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 50 min ago view
  • Rashad Crawford was a basketball star in HS (he was known as "Baby Jordan", and baseball was only his second sport) and he has plus-speed and athleticism, so when the Cubs drafted him (Keith Lockhart was the scout)  he was seen as a long-term project.  

    I was at Fitch Park the day that Rashad Crawford became a LH hitter, He waa never a switch-hitter, He went directly from being a RH hitter to a LH hitter, which I had never seen before. 

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 58 min ago view
  • I'm with Rob G and Johann here. It's not about Chapman as a pitcher. I just don't want to have to block out a real problem (the domestic violence) in order to try to enjoy the frivolous ball and stick game.

    Charlie 2 hours 6 min ago view
  • ROB G & BOB R: You're right. The QO can only be extended if the player spends the entire previous season with one club, so only the Yankees could have offered one to Chapman (if he wasn't traded). If an Article XX-B FA is traded during the season, the new club can't offer a QO. .

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 7 min ago view