Game 96 Thread / Cubs @ Astros (1 of 3)

Game ChatPress Pass | BR Preview

SP *Ted Lilly SP Brian Moehler
9-6, 4.68, 108 K, 41 BB, 115.1 IP
5-4, 4.28, 44 K, 24 BB, 75.2 IP
SS Ryan Theriot 2B #Kaz Matsui
RF *Kosuke Fukudome CF *Darin Erstad
1B Derrek Lee 1B #Lance Berkman
3B Aramis Ramirez LF Carlos Lee
C Geovany Soto SS Miguel Tejada
CF *Jim Edmonds 3B Hunter Pence
LF Mark DeRosa RF Ty Wigginton
2B *Mike Fontenot C J.R. Towles
P *Ted Lilly P Brian Moehler


The second half is upon us and the Cubs trot out Ted Lilly to start it...for some reason. I assume it was to give Z and Dempster an extra day after their All-Star appearances and to limit Rich Harden as much as possible before he goes on a 27 inning scoreless streak in the playoffs. Nonetheless, Lilly's homer-happy ways will be on display tonight with the ever-present Crawford boxes looming in short left field. If he can manage a win, he'll join Dempster and Zambrano in the 10-win club.

Before the game, the Cubs put Jon Lieber on the disabled list with a right foot strain (same foot that cost him most of last year) and recalled Micah Hoffpauir. 


On the DL? C'mon! He has sat on a bench for most of the first 100 games! He has been in 25, and only thrown 44 innings. He certainly got "plenty of rest". This cannot be a "legitimate" injury. Can it?

What is going on with Fukudome? The guy seems to have lost quite a bit of plate discipline lately.

The league has more than figured Fukudome out at this point. In fact you can get him to take strikes and swing at balls :(...ugly ugly.

wow...that sucked.

And Rich Hill sucked too. He started out well (as someone in the previous thread noted) but Len and Bob reported he ended up giving up 6 runs and had 4 walks in I think only 3 innings of work.

wuertz, AAA

1ip 1h 0bb 1k (16 pitches, 11 strikes, 0 runs)

Didn't help that all 3 inherited runners scored after Hill was pulled from the game too. On the positive, at least no HRs surrendered.

Central Division Leaders on June 11

Cubs 42-24 +101 RS-RA
St.L 40-27 +44
Milw 34-31 -5

Since June 11

Milw 18-12 +26 RS-RA
Cubs 15-15 +4
St.L 15-16 -16

St. Louis remains an enigma. TL is a magician.

Milwaukee's big boost has been thanks in large part (some might say entirely) to CC Sabathia's 3-0 record, 2 complete games(that makes 5 on the year now), and 24 innings pitched in 3 starts.

That said, if the Brewers continue to play .600 baseball they project out to a 92-70 season. The Cubs need to finish 36-30 to beat 'em.

You mean the Cubs still went .500 during a stretch where one by one they lost their best starting pitcher, their best reliever and 2 of their best hitters? Lou must be a wizard.

What's magical about playing .500 ball when you outscore your opponents?

you play 1.000 ball when you outscore your opponents.

aggregates mean nothing out of context.

cubs played PIT like 12+ times or something crazy early on...amongst other things.

what does matter is that not many think this team can't be a playoff caliber team. they're good if not spectacular is almost all aspects of team construction (from starters to bench) all over. the best? probably not. one of the best? yeah.

But the context is obvious. MLB won-loss records roughly obey this formula:

Winning Percentage = RS ²/(RS ² + RA ²)

When RA = RS, Winning Percentage = .500
When RA > RS, Winning Percentage > .500

the context is not obvious. i can come up with a dozen contexts to put it in...ones that include past games, ones that look at individual games, ones that look at strength of schedule.

the "roughly" part should tell you things are not so obvious.

also RA > RS = WP > .500?

its not true for the opposite, either, more just just occasionally...toronto, dodgers, arizona and atlanta right now don't follow it...

Apparently MY context wasn't that obvious to navigator so i'll spell it out:

When you don't have 4 of your best players, it's a whole heck of a lot harder to win games.

Best news of the road trip: Gonna miss both Webb and Haren in AZ.

have we seen the last of jon lieber till september
i hear his injury could linger for about 6 weeks.

does it matter?

I'm much more worried about "July" Kosuke (.152 .204 .239 .443) and "Road" Kosuke (.207 .310 .290 .600 ) right now. What's plan B if he doesn't figure it out??

srumpbuster !!!

/i keed

there's only 1 plan-B for RF unless lou loses his mind again and thinks D.Ward is a RF'r...derosa.

i know he likes hoffPOWER, but i dont think anyone is crazy enough to put him in RF.

not a bad plan-B...not very exciting from a defensive point of view, though not an awful option in RF...leaves 2nd to be covered by fontegod.

mmm depth. yum. good stuff.

At least we don't have this joker patrolling our outfield:

click on the WRAP tab and the "Izturis gets a triple..." video clip.

going to AZ Phil land on Monday and then Iowa for 2 games. Eyre should be back Monday.

Kerry probably not available until tomorrow's game.

Earth to Gordon Wittenmeyer: If that comes to pass then let the record show that he was out MORE than 6 weeks and lay to rest this apocryphal crap that he's a superfast healer.

So far as a Cub, Soriano is more of an injury looking for a way to happen.

You articulate good.

Uh yeah. what he said.

I had almost the exact same injury as Soriano back in March, and 6 weeks and 3 days later I was back playing softball with almost no noticeable difference. I also started playing a couple weeks before my orthopedist gave me the official go-ahead as well.

His bones might not heal faster than the average human's, but he's not behind at all either. His bones are healing right on schedule with what my doctor told me. I'm pretty sure the whole "fast-healer" thing is just Fonzie being optimistic. It's not like he's some superhero or something.

So far as a commenter, you are a Troll waiting to happen.


on mvn there were plenty of diatribes of personal greatness mixed with actual useful info without his commentary and demands mixed in.

its really great when he calls people idiots, morons, stupid, or etc.

you get that once a week at least yet he keeps preferring the company of idiots, morAns, and the stupid.

fire up your browser and check out some classics by him off TCR site...

he's done this on other msg boards, too.

at least its consistent...i guess.

while you're at it check out some old 'silent towel' posts and remind yourself it could be worse. at least nav. brings some good info occasionally.

Oh c'mon now!

what about the "bubble gum cards", the "used infield rake" and my personal favorite, the "1/2 can of Simoniz" ???

That was gold, Crunch, gold!


end o subject

murton got his first oakland double today...2 for 4, 1k 0bb...

I remember my first "oakland double." I was limping for a week.

Score one for Brick.

thanks NL west teams for handing games to the brewers and cards....been watching both, this is really gross. wow.
still time for the cards and brew to blow it, of course.

Recent comments

The first 600 characters of the last 16 comments, click "View" to see rest of comment.
  • A special after day after Thanksgiving thanks to AZ for his insanely detailed posts on all things roster. I don't know how you keep track of all that stuff - I suspect a chip implant, but whatever it is, it's cool.

  • ...the wrong half.

  • there's nothing like crapping out of the playoffs with a strong/young cheap team after pinching pennies for years then having theo talk about having to be creative with money to make things work for 2016...but hey, baseball isn't baseball without a farmer's market and beer garden plaza with ice rinks.

    they can do both...then again, if you want to look at it from a business point of view, they don't have to do both because the team is expected to be competitive and the merch+tickets+eyes-on-team are going to be at a peak unless they fail badly.

  • Really ?

    They are trying to bring the facility to the 20th century.
    I think they know what they are doing.

  • With the Cubs adding Pierce Johnson to their roster and not exposing/losing him to the Rule 5 Draft keeps the trade ancestry tree alive that started in 1999 with Tom Gordon and undrafted Adam Morrissey and includes 17 players, the trade tree progressed to involve the Hee Sop Choi for Derrek Lee deal and the famous Aramis Ramirez/Kenny Lofton deal..Pierce Johnson is the compensation pick for Aramis Ramirez in 2012

  • Well played.

  • Yeah, the Rex brothers, Tyrannosaurus and Oedipus

  • When I first saw the Tweet, I thought there were two guys. Happy Thanksgiving gang! And TheoJed!

  • They can use another Brother

  • Cubs acquired Rex Brothers. Awesome fit for this team. Wander Cabrera going to COL.

  • "MLB announces #Cubs Minor League RHP Tanner Griggs receives 50-game suspension without pay after testing positive for amphetamine"

    2014 12th rounder...

    it's hard to know who to blame...on one hand he's a baseball player, on the other he sells cars in the offseason...either job leads to amphetamine abuse. =p

  • Thanks PHIL! I thought only the Cubs had control until the last day of the MLB 2015 Season.

  • that's awesome...makes me look forward to hearing theo talk some more about how the team needs to be creative with finances because money is tight.


  • See What The Cubs Are Building This Off-Season For Wrigley Plaza, Clubhouse

  • CUBBIES-4-EVER: It's not unusual for a PTBNL to be chosen after the Rule 5 Draft from the list of Rule 5 eligible players who were not selected. That way, a club gets a player they like (perhaps somebody like OF Jeffrey Baez) without the cumbersome Rule 5 roster restrictions that go with a Rule 5 Draft pick.