Cubs Prospect List-Mania 2009
1. Josh Vitters, 3B
2. Jeff Samardzjia,RHP
3. Jose Ceda, RHP
4. Hak-Ju Lee, SS
5. Andrew Cashner, RHP
6. Tyler Colvin, OF
7. Dae-Eun Rhee, RHP
8. Ryan Flaherty, SS
9. Welington Castilo, C
10. Donald Veal, LHP
11. Micah Hoffpauir, 1B
Just Missing: Matt Cerda, INF; Jay Jackson, RHP; Logan Watkins, INF
Sleeper: Kyler Burke
What They Say: The Cubs are a very tough team to rank. That said, the top three prospects on my initial snapshot never moved, and you see them exactly where they started. Everything after that is a bit of a mess however, as one could jumble up the players ranked fourth through eleventh in any order and make some kind of reasonable argument for all.
- Josh Vitters
- Jeff Samardzija
- Andrew Cashner
- Dae-Eun Rhee
- Welington Castillo
- Kevin Hart
- Starlin Castro
- Ryan Flaherty
- Jay Jackson
- Hak-Ju Lee
Best Hitter for Average - Josh Vitters
Best Power Hitter - Josh Vitters
Best Strike-Zone Discipline - Sam Fuld
Fastest Baserunner - Tony Campana
Best Athlete - Brandon Guyer
Best Fastball - Jeff Samardzija
Best Curveball - Casey Lambert
Best Slider - Andrew Cashner
Best Changeup - Dae-Eun Rhee
Best Control - Esmailin Caridad
Best Defensive Catcher - Luis Flores
Best Defensive Infielder - Darwin Barney
Best Infield Arm - Junior Lake
Best Defensive Outfielder - Sam Fuld
Best Outfield Arm - Kyler Burke
What They Say: Promotions and trades have contributed to thinning out the system, and so have a series of uninspiring drafts. Chicago hasn't gotten long-term production out of a first-round pick since Kerry Wood in 1995.
Soto, an 11th-round pick in 2001, was the first position player the Cubs have signed and developed into an all-star since they drafted Joe Girardi in 1986.
- Josh Vitters (B+)
- Jeff Samardzija (B)
- Ryan Flaherty (B)
- Andrew Cashner (B-)
- Hak-Ju Lee (B-)
- Jay Jackson (B-)
- Tyler Colvin (C+)
- Welington Castillo (C+)
- Dae-Eun Rhee (C+)
- Aaron Shafer (C+)
- Starlin Castro (C+)
- Junior Lake (C+)
- Dan McDaniel (C+)
- Micah Hoffpauir (C)
- Esmailin Caridad (C)
- Donald Veal (C)
- Josh Kroeger (C)
- Tony Thomas (C)
- Chris Carpenter (C)
- Mitch Atkins (C)
Others include Darwin Barney, Justin
Bristow, Matt Cerda, Hung-Wen Chen, Dumas Garcia, Brandon Guyer, Josh
Harrison, Dylan Johnston, Casey Lambert, Alex Maestri, Jovan Rosa, Drew
Rundle, Marquez Smith, Logan Watkins, and Ty Wright. Most of these guys
could rank anywhere from 14-20 depending on what you are looking for.
What They Say: The Cubs system
has thinned out, and there is no one with impact hitting potential at
the higher levels. Guys like Vitters, Flaherty, and the AZL tools guys
give hope that that could change in the future. Samardzija is
completely unpredictable, he could be the second coming of Bobby Jenks
or he could totally flame out. It wouldn’t’ surprise me if Cashner
ended up the same way, alternating good and bad runs and leaving
everyone scratching their heads.
- Josh Vitters
- Jeff Samardzija
- Andrew Cashner
- Welington Castillo
- Jay Jackson
- Ryan Flaherty
- Mitch Atkins
- Tyler Colvin
- Kevin Hart
- Micah Hoffpauir
- Esmailin Caridad
- Brandon Guyer
- Marcos Mateo
- Jovan Rosa
- James Russell
- Dan McDaniel
- Chris Carpenter
- Aaron Shafer
- Ryan Acosta
- Matt Cerda
What They Say: The numbers above can be downplayed because of
how dominant Cashner was in the Florida State League postseason with
Class High-A Daytona. He was described by one scout as “lights out,”
tossing six scoreless innings with 11 strikeouts and retiring all but
four batters faced. His fastball was clocked at 98 mph on several
occasions with a top-out speed of 99 mph, and he featured a hard
curveball that Cubs Scouting Director Tim Wilken said was registered at
87 mph. A changeup is in the works to give Cashner a third pitch, but
the Cubs have said they’re going to let Cashner dictate his own future
as either a starter or reliever.
1. Jeff Samardzija
2. Josh Vitters
3a. Jose Ceda
3b. Andrew Cashner
4. Welington Castillo
5. Ryan Flaherty
6. Kevin Hart
7. Tyler Colvin
8. Jay Jackson
9. Micah Hoffpauir
10. Esmailin Caridad
11. Mitch Atkins
12. Donald Veal
13. Jovan Rosa
14. Brandon Guyer
15. Dan McDaniel
And finally Rob G's Top 15...
I get to bend the rules though, and instead of sticking to the standard Rookie of the Year qualifications that most folks use as a cutoff, I use a more vague, "hasn't really gotten his shot in the majors yet" qualification. I'll keep my descriptions short though to lessen the risk that I say something as dumb as I did about Carlos Marmol two years ago. I tend to put more emphasis on Double A and Triple A numbers which is dilemma since are better prospects seem to be in the lower ranks.
Jeff Samardzija - Two fastballs with movement that can go 95+. You have to have faith he'll develop his change and/or slider considering how little time he's actually been dedicated to pitching.
- Josh Vitters - I guess I'm believing the hype. K:BB rate is a bit troubling.
- Andrew Cashner - Can throw 99mph, you say? You get a lot of chances to fail when you can throw that hard.
- Micah Hoffpauir - Loosely reminds me of Brant Brown coming up with the Cubs, just in that both were blocked at their position and were never truly considered top prospects in the system. Hoffpauir has shown more power than Brown in his later years, and being a serviceable back-up/fill-in is a better than a lot of prospects end up.
- Jay Jackson - I'm a sucker for a 5.53 K:BB ratio.
- Ryan Flaherty - Time to talk like a scout, could be a left-handed Mark DeRosa.
- Kevin Hart - Nothing too special, but he'll find a home in someone's bullpen one day. Had another nice run in Iowa last year after being demoted.
- Hak-Ju Lee - Compared favorably to Derek Jeter's toolset, good enough for me.
- Jeff Stevens - He might not dominate the majors, but a 3.24 K:BB ratio and a .72 HR/9 rate in the minors is promising.
- John Gaub - 100 K's in 64 innings? Are you kidding me?
- Welington Castillo- Nothing too exciting in his minor league numbers, but he's been young for his leagues and you hope the bat catches up to the defense.
- Marcos Mateo- Scout.com says he can top 95 with a good hard slider, that'll give you plenty opportunities.
- Justin Berg- mid 90's sinkers are tough to come by and the Cubs wouldn't have put him on the 40-man if they didn't have some faith in him.
- Mitch Atkins - a nice three year run now although the numbers aren't overwhelming. He did add a cutter last year which could explain the jump in prospect status along with being just 23 years old.
- Tyler Colvin - the numbers suffered for the most part last year, but did put up a .983 OPS in August and nearly tripled his previous year's walk total while striking out at about the same rate.
he subscribes to my twitter, he's beyond TCR. #yolo #swag
Whoops. Maddon must have been reading TCR (for his daily crunch) and got confused.
kuhl is a righty, not a lefty.
i think maddon might think kuhl is a lefty, too. i wonder what the reasoning is for baez leading off vs a rightie.
"trout's one of the best, and at this point should probably win over donaldson (and should have more MVPs in the past, too), but the defensive aspect of valuing WAR still needs more tweaking...imo."
that's from my 1st post. there's no suck involved in that. maybe with a few less posts about bullshit that point would have jumped out more.
crunch - you do know that, taking defense out of the equation, Trout has led the AL in wRC+ each of those years, right?
And, if you want to complain about position adjustment (which would be serious #crunchsplaining), he's been in the top 3 in the AL in WC (not park/league/position adjusted). And the only players ahead of him (if there were any players ahead of him) in any of those years have been DHs or 1B that play lousy defense.
But sure - Trout sucks (or at least isn't as good as WAR says). Because it factors in defense and position.
early tim tebow stuff rolling in...
ran a 6.7 60yd (above average)...shagging flies in RF and showed off a rather impressive arm a few times, but average-at best on most of his throws...hit a few over the fence (both fields), fouled or weak contact a few...he's got a touch of power
it'll be interesting to see who bites on this project, if anyone. he probably projected himself out of RF and into LF/1st because of his arm, but unless he can make that power work on a steady basis it'll be hard for him to play himself up anyone's system.
LHP Clayton Richard (released by the Cubs earlier this month) is pitching very well as a starting pitcher for the San Diego Padres and could be a good candidate to get traded to a contender looking for a veteran SP before tomorrow night's post-season roster eligibility deadline.
Because they released him, the Cubs are paying most of Richard's 2016 salary (the Cubs are on the hooks for $2M, minus the pro-rated portion of the MLB minimum salary that is paid by the Padres).
it is honestly awesome (for real) that anyone would even have a strong opinion on AZL playoffs. i guess if you invest enough time watching it, you want to see a fair/just playoff structure.
plus, the kids deserve it.
The AZL team with the best record over the course of the full 2016 AZL season and the only AZL team to play .600 ball (the AZL Dodgers) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, and the AZL East Division team with the best record over the course of the full season (the AZL Athletics) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, either.
That's because of the ridiculous "split season" schedule most of the minor leagues now play, a stupid system that rewards mediocrity at the expense of the worthy.
Despite good movement on his fastball, I think location kept him from getting Ks. Left some pitches up and away that got hammered up and away. Then of course Travis Wood gave up the 2-run double in the 7th, but both runs counted against Arrieta.
"i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date."
This level of discourse is #charming.
I would be having this discussion with anyone who (a) blathered on ad nauseum about the topic. (See, "Olt, Mike, not given an opportunity") or (b) responded directly to what I posted (which you did).
Have a nice day.
what would you do without me? aside from having your posting content here cut by 75%+?
i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date.
In this instance, yes, I care more about the result of this big thing that isn't really a big thing.
Fangraphs WAR #s include baserunning and Hamilton is elite at that. He leads in SBs with the 54 and and has an 87% rate which is really good. I'm sure once he gets on base he's able to take the extra base quite often too. Both those things will up his overall WAR value.
The differences between BR and FG WAR is pretty well documented online and thus If there are discrepancies it's fairly easy to figure out why. It's fairly well accepted that BR WAR is fine as a snapshot but FG is better at predicting future value.
i have no doubt at all you quit reading at that point. you're very enamored with outcomes without caring what it takes to get there.
the fact it's exploitable, especially without someone to cover the running game for him, as well it's evolution in how people are testing possible exploits is interesting to some people...to me...i'm some people...hurrah.
some people want to check the boxscore to see who won, some want to know how it went down.