Cubs Lineup If They Play (Maybe They Shouldn't)

Update: First pitch now set for 2pm.


Update: Well, tomorrow's forecast is no bargain either--50% chance of precipitation--which is consistent with the latest from Paul Sullivan that the Cubs are determined to get today's game in. Sullivan also quotes Bob Brenly, who said on WSCR this morning that it seemed like an obvious move to slide Aramis Ramirez into the third spot and drop Derrek Lee (2-for-25) down into the fifth spot. Obviously not an issue today with Ramirez and Milton Bradley both out of the starting lineup.


Update: Yes, this would not only be Fontenot's first-ever start at 3B, it would be the first time he has ever played the position in the majors. From what I can tell, he played some third in '05 at Iowa, but other than that, it has been all shortstop and second base.


Gordon Witternmyer tweets that, according to Lou Piniella, Milton Bradley is feeling better, but Aramis Ramirez has a sore back and is not in the starting lineup:

Soriano, lf
Theriot, ss
Fukudome, rf
Lee, 1b
Fontenot, 3b
Johnson, cf
Miles, 2b
Hill, c
Lilly, p

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SWEET: TheRiot in the 2 hole!

You prefer Theriot in your 2 hole?

I figured that would be the comeback de jour.

Well, the 2-hole joke might be a bit played out. Nevertheless, I am immature and always find it funny.

I'm sure over the course of the season, you'll have plenty of opportunities to call me out on my manlove for TheRiot

OMG, Aramis Ramirez is not playing! I can't believe Hendry gave him that guaranteed contract with no games played clauses! It's probably the end of the world.

Fukudome in the 3 hole? I know he's been hot, but WTF?

Kind of surprised that he put Johnson given that Jimenez in his career has held RHB to a .228 BA. Given no Bradley, Ram, or Soto it would seem prudent to sacrifice some defense and put Hoffpauir in RF, even with Lilly pitching today.

This lineup sucks. Like, f'reals.

Luckily, a rainout looks imminent. Can't believe I just typed that.

I'm supposed to go to this game, but given the lineup and the weather I'm really hoping for an early call on a rainout.

Why does Lou hate HoffPOWER?

where is the Ted Lilly fan club predictation ?

we also finally got Lee out of the three hole,only if we could move him down two more spots next game

100% our fault. After too many early morning Sanka/Bud Extra cocktails, we decided to have a fun-run in the rain. Well, that didn't end so well for us or the TLFC Super Computer (hint: rain and electronics are a bad match).

BUT--we dried, de-lubed and re-lubed the TLFCSC: 6 IP, 5K, 1 ER, 2 walks and free lifetime memories for Cubs faithful in attendance

Hopefully Ted does better against Rockies at home then he did last May.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN200...

;_)

He did.

Good on you, TL (and TLFC).

~tip of cap~ to Ted Lilly.

TLFC- you know I was just teasing.

BULLY!! BULLY!!

Interesting that Piniella would rather break up the Theriot/Fontenot DP combo and start Fontenot at 3rd. Miles hasn't played there much, but he has played there some (15 games, 26 chances, no errors).

Interesting is one word for it. I would have probably gone with 'stupid'.

I would bet that this lineup is right, except that Miles is playing 3b, with Fonty playing 2b...

That's what I was thinking, too, except that Wittenmyer posted a separate message indicating that Fontenot was going to play third. You could be right. We'll see.

scrap, crap.

Since it's backup day, I'd really like to see He-Man get the start over Lee.

It wasn't really backup day. It was 'Oh shit, who is going to play!?!' day.

Did anyone else literally laugh out loud when they saw the lineup? I did.

Radar looks like things should be clearing up in 30 minutes or so... It'll be a cold, wet one, but it looks like it might be playable...

Harry Kalas dead at age 73. Loved his voice!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4064793

This lineup kicks ass like whoazies.

Troy Glaus, Scott Schoenweis, Todd Greene and Ismael Valdez linked to steroids.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/sports/baseball/...

Glaus should serve a ban retroactively if he ever plays again.

I know Glaus was not on Cardinals in 2003, but those guys seem to flock to Larussa at some point in their careers.

Anyone who thinks Pujols is clean is deluding themselves.

And the truth will come out long after Pujols is done making gobs of money and everyone will gasp and be horrified.

Eff it.

Pujols, steroids and Cardinal or not, will always get a pass in my book for marrying a lady who's got a kid with Down Syndrome.

Is the game starting or what? My Gamecast window still says it is delayed... It was supposedly going to start 10 minutes ago...

Lineups being announced now.

Very bummed about Harry Kalas; a great announcer. Another special baseball announcer gone. My condolences to the Philly fans-it sucks to lose your cool grandpa announcer. Plus, he did the Puppy Bowl, which was very kickass of him to do. Godspeed, Harry.

Is this game going to worrth it today? Methinks meh. oh well, Go CUBS!!!!! Woooooooo!

I knew the name was familiar - he did NFL films as well, seems like forever.

No Aramis, No DL Bradley, and No Geo, I would have gone with a lineup closer to this:

Theriot
Fukudome
Soriano
Fontenot
Lee
Johnson
Miles
Hill
P

I know it's the home opener and all but this would have been a good time to move Fonzie into the heart of the order. FWIW Kosuke has never hit third in MLB.

Did I see correctly that Brandon Guyer is on the bench for the Cubs? CBSSports GameCenter shows Guyer on the bench for today's game. Did I miss something? I hope this isn't 3/44 and I get run out of here!!

CBS missed something...they seem to think he's on the roster and a backup OF'r for a few days now.

Hide your 4 lb pretzel here comes Gledon Rusch.

He's looking slim. He no longer looks like Tweedle Dum...well, not as much.

Oh man, I wanted to see Glendon "Hendry's Buffett Partner" Rusch. I am sure he and Hendry will be hitting the town tonight.

Way to stay classy, Manny.

HA HA!! That is tame compared to some of the stuff that has been said on here...:) Heck,it is nicer than the two comments above mine. Guess we have a whole bunch of "classy" people on TCR.

Don't include me in the non-classiness. I was complimenting Tubby. He always looked like Tweedle Dum. Now, not so much. Joe, class personified.

And my family of 5 and I enjoyed the 4 lb pretzel.

CNN reporting now that Mark "The Bird" Fidrych has been found dead at his home at 54 years of age.

WTF is going on today!?!?!

I know!! I heard that right after the game ended Ron Santo lost another leg!

It looks like, barring a disaster, the Cubs will win this one, with the help of a great effort from Lilly. However, leaving 12 runners on base signals a continuing problem.

Yeah, it almost seems like maybe they could use a few more established MLB bats...
Oh, wait! Three of their starting main-RBI guys are sitting out today! Go figure...

Actually... it just means that the Cubs had a lot of base runners. Most good offenses strand a lot of runners.

Did Guzman just bat for himself in the bottom of the 7th with 2 out and no one on, and then get replaced in the top of the 8th? I understand we're playing with 22 guys today, but couldn't they have sent Soto or Hoffpauir up to PH there? There hasn't been a single bench player used yet, right?

CUBS WIN!!! CBS WIN!!! 4-0 shutout at the Home Opener for the Cubs vs. COL. Move the Cubbies to 5-2 currently ties with STL for the division lead.

Didn't get to see the game today as I was at work and had to "watch" it on CBS GameCenter.

THE GOOD:
- Lilly. Took a no-no into the 7th inning in a dominating performance.
- Hill. The back-up C did admirably holding the line while Soto was out. Hopefully these extra AB's will help keep him ready to go for the occasional spot start down the road.
- Lee. Went 2-3 today and hopefully showing signs of breaking out of his slump.

THE BAD:
- Men LOB. The Cubs offense continues to leave a ton of guys on base. The had 9 BB's and 9 hits today and only scored 4 runs.

THE UGLY:
- The Weather. From the pictures and the last inning I saw it was not pretty out there. I am sure that went a long way helping with the low scoring of both teams.

Great start to the homestand and now we got an offday tomorrow. Come back on Wednesday afternoon with Harden on the mound vs. Jason Marquis. Hopefully it is payback time to the heartache he caused some of us Cubs fans.

That's not the first time Lilly took a no-no late into a game. Great performance.

Nice game that probably coud have gone the other way. They probably could have scored alot more runs but Jimenez is actually a pretty good pitcher so its not like he's easy to get big hits off of, the walks really helped us obviously.

Lilly looked great, maybe I'm a goof but Len and Bob did such a good job of not talking about the no-hitter that I didn't even realize it was going on.

The bullpen still looked iffy even though they got the job done. Marmol is the only one I truly trust at this point and I think Lou might be in the same boat.

Wednesday vs Marquis, no way will he beat Harden, write it down!

Gregg looked iffy while striking out the side?

Gregg still threw a lot of balls? I'm not convinced he's lights out all the sudden. Believe me I am a Gregg supporter he's just off to a slow start.

Wouldn't say iffy, but he did walk a guy and one of the K's was a full count the the third strike was clearly a ball. I think the umps just wanted to get thw hell outta there.

Watched the whole game. There were a ton of 3-2 counts. Reynolds got a lot of looks from both sides as he was very inconsistent, he was fooled more than the Rockies on a lot of Ted's curveballs. I'll bet Hurdle was ejected for complaining to the crew chief.

One highlite was Sutcliffe leaving Len and Bob in an 8th inning hurry (after they held him over from the 7th), he said things were going bad on the field (a BB) and excused himself. They could have asked Jody to sit down but they didn't. Good anti-curse moment.

from the department of 'clear as mud' at ESPN...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=406613...

milton bradley out 3-5 days...

Apparently hammy and groin mean the same thing at ESPN.

Was just listening to WGN radio tonight and they said this morning Chicago Police found a severed goat head on Harry Caray's statue outside Wrigley. Police say it was a prank.

About 10% funny and cool, but mostly 90% just sick.

"Police say it was a prank."

What were the other options, Voodoo ritual?

Yeah, I kind of just assumed it was a prank, too. Of course, Little Nate Lewis's fantasy ball team in our league is "Kill the Goat". Suppose he had something to do with it?

At least they didn't do it themselves...it looks like you can buy goat heads around Chicago...

http://espn.go.com/chicago/story?id=4065613

Perhaps this is "Scott Eyre is broke" and 3/44 territory, but ESPN has launched its first city specific site and its for Chicago; pretty good coverage of the Cubs (along with the Sox, unfortunately).

http://espn.go.com/chicago/index

Second time it's happened, and it was more than a head. It was a carcass. As if Cubs fans didn't already have a reputation (to a lot of people, anyway) as being douchebags, this doesn't help.

Ryno - I'm "The Slump Busters"..... but I do hate goats.

Apologies! The team Kill the Goat is actually the elusive TCR poster: "Q"

Sorry about that.

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  • "trout's one of the best, and at this point should probably win over donaldson (and should have more MVPs in the past, too), but the defensive aspect of valuing WAR still needs more tweaking...imo."

    that's from my 1st post. there's no suck involved in that. maybe with a few less posts about bullshit that point would have jumped out more.

    crunch 1 min 6 sec ago view
  • crunch - you do know that, taking defense out of the equation, Trout has led the AL in wRC+ each of those years, right?

    And, if you want to complain about position adjustment (which would be serious #crunchsplaining), he's been in the top 3 in the AL in WC (not park/league/position adjusted). And the only players ahead of him (if there were any players ahead of him) in any of those years have been DHs or 1B that play lousy defense.

    But sure - Trout sucks (or at least isn't as good as WAR says). Because it factors in defense and position.

    big_lowitzki 54 min 14 sec ago view
  • early tim tebow stuff rolling in...

    ran a 6.7 60yd (above average)...shagging flies in RF and showed off a rather impressive arm a few times, but average-at best on most of his throws...hit a few over the fence (both fields), fouled or weak contact a few...he's got a touch of power

    it'll be interesting to see who bites on this project, if anyone. he probably projected himself out of RF and into LF/1st because of his arm, but unless he can make that power work on a steady basis it'll be hard for him to play himself up anyone's system.

    crunch 1 hour 39 min ago view
  • LHP Clayton Richard (released by the Cubs earlier this month) is pitching very well as a starting pitcher for the San Diego Padres and could be a good candidate to get traded to a contender looking for a veteran SP before tomorrow night's post-season roster eligibility deadline.

    Because they released him, the Cubs are paying most of Richard's 2016 salary (the Cubs are on the hooks for $2M, minus the pro-rated portion of the MLB minimum salary that is paid by the Padres).

    Arizona Phil 3 hours 26 min ago view
  • it is honestly awesome (for real) that anyone would even have a strong opinion on AZL playoffs. i guess if you invest enough time watching it, you want to see a fair/just playoff structure.

    plus, the kids deserve it.

    crunch 3 hours 27 min ago view
  • The AZL team with the best record over the course of the full 2016 AZL season and the only AZL team to play .600 ball (the AZL Dodgers) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, and the AZL East Division team with the best record over the course of the full season (the AZL Athletics) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, either. 

    That's because of the ridiculous "split season" schedule most of the minor leagues now play, a stupid system that rewards mediocrity at the expense of the worthy. 

    Arizona Phil 3 hours 33 min ago view
  • Despite good movement on his fastball, I think location kept him from getting Ks. Left some pitches up and away that got hammered up and away. Then of course Travis Wood gave up the 2-run double in the 7th, but both runs counted against Arrieta.

    Charlie 4 hours 10 min ago view
  • "i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date."

    This level of discourse is #charming.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 4 hours 10 min ago view
  • I would be having this discussion with anyone who (a) blathered on ad nauseum about the topic. (See, "Olt, Mike, not given an opportunity") or (b) responded directly to what I posted (which you did).

    Have a nice day.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 4 hours 13 min ago view
  • what would you do without me? aside from having your posting content here cut by 75%+?

    i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date.

    crunch 4 hours 16 min ago view
  • In this instance, yes, I care more about the result of this big thing that isn't really a big thing.

    #crunchsplaining

    #willlistentojeffsullivanmorethanyou

    #blessyourheart

    #hitler

    #tcrmartyr

    #billyhamiltonwar

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 4 hours 17 min ago view
  • Two things:

    Fangraphs WAR #s include baserunning and Hamilton is elite at that. He leads in SBs with the 54 and and has an 87% rate which is really good. I'm sure once he gets on base he's able to take the extra base quite often too. Both those things will up his overall WAR value.

    The differences between BR and FG WAR is pretty well documented online and thus If there are discrepancies it's fairly easy to figure out why. It's fairly well accepted that BR WAR is fine as a snapshot but FG is better at predicting future value.

    johann 4 hours 21 min ago view
  • i have no doubt at all you quit reading at that point. you're very enamored with outcomes without caring what it takes to get there.

    the fact it's exploitable, especially without someone to cover the running game for him, as well it's evolution in how people are testing possible exploits is interesting to some people...to me...i'm some people...hurrah.

    some people want to check the boxscore to see who won, some want to know how it went down.

    crunch 4 hours 33 min ago view
  • I read it as him saying it's not really that much of a concern and that the one time it really cost Lester, vs. K.C., was an anomaly.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 4 hours 39 min ago view
  • if jeff says it, it's cool...when i say it, it's straight from the mouth of hitler.

    aside from the lack of jeff touching on the insane leads runners take and lester's inability to throw if he's fielding, this is a lot of what i've said about the issue.

    exploitable, needs his own personal catcher to control his shortcomings, relies on his ability to get outs along with his personal catcher keeping runners in check before things become further exploited...

    crunch 4 hours 41 min ago view
  • That would be Rice Krispy Treat

    The E-Man 5 hours 59 min ago view