Cubs Pursuing Pedro Martinez

The Boston Globe is reporting that the Tampa Bay Rays and Chicago Cubs seem to have the most interest in Pedro Martinez. Both teams have sent scouts down to the Dominican to see him pitch (hitting 94 mph with his fastball) and are beginning to explore just how much it might cost to sign the future HOF'er (I would hope). It's said he's looking for $5 million.

On the surface, it certainly wouldn't make much sense for the Cubs to be looking for another starting pitcher, considering that's been the strongest part of the team. But if the Cubs could sign Pedro, that could open them up to move another starting pitcher for a much needed bat...or two...or five. I would think Z and Dempster are pretty much locks to stay. Lilly would certainly draw interest from contenders but they would probably want to move prospects and that's probably not what the Cubs are looking for and Lilly does have some sort of no-trade clause. Rich Harden is a free agent at the end of the year, so he could be moved to a contender at the deadline, but you run into the same problem of that contender probably wanting to move prospects rather than established talent. So that leaves guys like Sean Marshall or Randy Wells or both and now you might be able to make some moves with teams out of the race and be left with Z, Dempster, Lilly, Harden and Pedro as your rotation. I know I could live with that starting staff.

All just a bit of fun speculating, but we need some fun after the last two days (Thanks to Wes for the link).


Rob, they are saying he's throwing 94. Now, of course, it matters what that 94 actually looks like as it arrives on Sotos' mitt, but I don't think it's a bad idea if he has some sauce left in the gut.

isn't that what I said?

can he hit?

(Don Zimmer says yep)

I normally don't do LOLs but that is a classic.

Can Pedro be a closer?

Dempster could...


Cubs don't need a bat. Everything will be fine.

On a more serious note. If by some chance they play October baseball, Pedro would be an invaluable big-game pitcher. I don't know what makes a guy a big game pitcher and there's no way to quantify it, but you have to admit he would be one.

If by some chance, indeed. But, you know, baseball isn't that much different than the NBA these days. Survive till the playoffs, then kick some fucking ass.

well maybe 5 years ago, when Pedro was still a great pitcher...but his last 270 IP he has a 4.74 ERA. Nonetheless, I assume if the Cubs are going after him they like what they saw.


It is fun speculating on this one, ROB G.

I have not looked at his last meaningful stats. Anything to speak of?

Also, which pitcher would be more valuable in a trade: the lefty Marshall - basically a 5th starter at best many would say, or, Randy Wells, an "out-of-nowhere" converted pitcher whom no-one has figured out yet?

Pedro's stats from the past couple of years haven't been anything to write home about, but he'd been throwing 85-89 and not 93-96 like he used to.

If he's REALLY throwing 94, we're not talking Pedro of old, but we're talking about a guy who's a lot better than the 5.61 ERA and 1.57 WHIP he put up last year. 3 fewer K/9 and one more BB/9 than his career line. Obviously he's not going to pitch to his career line if he does pitch for somebody this year, but I think if they aren't lying about him throwing 94, he can be a very valuable arm for somebody.

"converted pitcher" = converted catcher

If I'm another team I would be more interested in Randy Wells.

are the Orlando Magic the worst team to ever make the Finals?

"How Not to Close Out an NBA Game" by the 2009 Orlando Magic on DVD everywhere

You obviously missed the Magic - Cadavers series.

What about Vernon Wells for Zambrano?

You think Z would waive his NTC to play in Canada and not be able to hit?

I think it's possible that he'd like to in order to get away from the media scrutiny. You've to to punch your manager there to get into trouble.

Funny. I get the sense that Z likes talking to the media about 90% of the time, and loves being the center of attention.

I get that sense, too. And this trade might make a ton of sense on paper, $, stats, all that. The problem is Z is the longest tenured player in the organization and he's the heart of the team. I know sometimes his antics are childish, but that's part of his charm.

Zzzzz why do we need to trade for Vernon Wells when we have Milton Bradley?

I wouldn't trade Zambrano at all, he has been this teams most reliable arm for the last 7 years. It is extremly difficult to find starters who year in and year out can do what Zambrano does.

I would like to take a flyer on Pedro but the time to do that was in spring training when Heilman, and Marshall were battling for the last spot and Randy Wells was still a nobody. Right now the only use we have for Pedro is in the bullpen which is where i think he could help us the most. Pay him 5 million for the rest of the year and see if he can just go balls out with his pitches and not have to worry about pacing himself for 6+ innings.

DeRosa 3/3 tonight with 2 BB's...did commit his 9th error though.

Marshall or Wells & another Iowa arm for DeRosa?

What about three minor league pitching prospects for Derosa? I think we picked up a few good ones in trade this offseason.

''We just really did nothing,'' Piniella said of the finish to a 4-4 road trip that included three walkoff losses, the last two by 2-1 scores. ''Did nothing. And when we had chances, we were swinging at bad pitches out of the zone and can't make contact. Come on, this is major-league baseball.

''I know the game isn't the easiest in the world to play, because I played it for a long time. But it's not this damn hard. Come on. It's not this hard.''

Piniella's frustration and voice began rising as he started rolling.

''It's a difficult game to play because it's every day, every day. It's going to be mental. You've got to have toughness. You've got to be able to think. You've got to have ability. But at the same time, you make it too hard. You make it too hard.

''It's not that hard, come on. ... You get runners on first and third with no outs and can't get the damn ball out of the infield? Another time it's first and third, and we had a double play.''

NON Dustyism. What really pissed me off about Dusty is that he just didn't seem to give a rat's ass. Lou, even though he looks like he's been nailed by a pair of pretty trains, still has the tude.

you're going to be hard pressed to find much in the press with dustbag bashing a player or's one of those things he's been vocal about not doing too much during his managerial career.

he sees himself at a f'n ninja master or something...glosses over the media crap and does his thing in kung fu mentoring sessions in the clubhouse, on the field, in the office, etc.

it's just his style...doesn't make for good reading during losing streaks, though.

"Lou, even though he looks like he's been nailed by a pair of pretty trains, still has the tude."


"nailed by a pair of pretty trains"... what does this mean? Am I missing a really cool double entendre? I'm mystified here.

You could tell he was just itching to get Theriot out of there when he worked that walk for a K in the...10th?

speculate about potential bats on the deadline market...

The main problem is... where are we going to put these bats? Assuming Aramis is back, you've got $10 million dollar players at all the positions other than SS, 2B and Catcher. I guess it could be argued that The Fontenaught/Miles could be upgraded at second...

The most obvious places to put some bats right now are 2B and RF. However, I think Fontenot will come around (I hope that Bradley will come around too, and not get injured), and the Cubs have committed a ton of money to Bradley. 1B would be another place, but Derrek Lee has picked up his offense lately (and has that NTC, plus we already have Hoffpauir and Fox waiting to get their turns).

Is Slowey still throwing a boring 89MPH fastball? I think the Cubs should be able to hit him as long as he throws strikes. If he throws them in the dirt, however, they'll likely be shut down hacking at earthworm-height fastballs.

.60 GO/AO ratio, I just hope the wind is blowing out. A good ass kicking would be a great way to open the homestand.

Twins 44-13 in Interleague play...

f***ing lovely


face it; we're basically stuck w/ who/what we got - pretty much what Lou said; just keep trottin' the high-paid under performers out there & wait for progression towards the norm

You're totally right about that, no blockbuster deals this year with the owners dicking around with millions of dollars, balance sheets, and bankruptcy court.

I think Fox & Wells are legit trading chips and it would be nice to see them traded while their '09 numbers are still crazy good.

Kenny Williams was ranting about blowing up the team if they didn't start playing better. I think it was mainly B.S., but if he's serious Thornton would fit real nice into our bullpen.

FWIW...another solid start by Hart last night @ Iowa

I would actually love to see these three players moved:

1. Milton Bradley.

2. Aaron Miles.

3. Rich Harden.

As long as we're making up nonsense lists, I'll go with.

1. Lee
2. Soriano
3. Scales

1. Miles

2. Fontenot

3. Miles

HAHA! chuckles...

The Fontnaught is hitting .355 .417 .516 in June, fwiw.

No way. I hope he keeps it up and proves me wrong. I don't feel he's starter material, but with his stature he's easy to underestimate.

I don't think it's nonsense to speculate that Rich Harden will be moved this year. Does anyone actually see Hendry signing him to a long-term deal? He can't stay healthy, and even when he is he's not the 99 mph force he used to be.

1. Fireman
2. Coffee
3. Baby shoe

Unrelated to much of anything, the We Believe trailer:

Always a pleasure to watch C-list celebs tell me what it's like to be a Cub fan.

Wind blowing out today, to left, Neal.

At least right now.

Too bad we cannot use the DH rule this home-stand.

Jake Fox could help out.

It will be interesting in the Crosstown in that the two teams are neck-and-neck among the bottom four teams in the MLB in success with RISP.

That will make for some really long games potentially.

Isn't this about the time a team's hitting coach gets scapegoated? Thanks for the memories Gerald. Maybe we can bring back Sosa's guru - his name again? Or kick Von Joshua upstairs from Des Moines...

I am going to have to give Perry the benefit of the doubt, being that the Cubs lead the league in runs OBP last year.

Mostly we need to get two of our three outfielders going at the same time now that Lee, The Fontenaught and Soto seem to have bee released from the morgue. Bradley and Soriano are pressing, and Fukudome's got some mechanical problem, he's swinging at the correct pitches, just missing them.

The team is pressing at the plate. A tense batter grips the bat a bit tighter and I believe they pull the bat in a little tighter, too. The result is Milton Bradley trying to hit the ball to South Holland, Michigan and either rolling over it or missing it all together.

You can see the guys loosen up after they score a few runs and they end up scoring a ton. That's why there's no middle ground with this crew. I don't know what you do. Mandatory 30 minutes in the jacuzzi before game time? Massages from Cindy Sandberg? Crotch massages from Ceasar Izturis? Who knows.

That said, you can see Milton Bradley still pressing even when they are up a few runs. He has his own battle he's fighting with himself.

i said scapegoated; not that it's his fault any more than last year was his doing; just the old "you can't fire the whole team" thing...

Pedro as a closer?

Greg is 10/12 in save opportunities, 9/10 since April. He's not really the problem with the team.

Pedro's gonna want to sign with a team to start, so no...

As I said, gives depth to the rotation to make a deal...although I should add that they could maybe move Harden in a 3-team deal, Harden going to a contender, contender giving up prospects to help get Cubs whatever they're looking for...

Same could be said of Lilly but he has a NTC...

is blanco out of options?

is blanco out of options?


DDP33:Yes, Andres Blanco is out of options.

And if the Cubs were to try and outright him back to Iowa, even if he isn't claimed by another MLB club off waivers, because he was previously outrighted in his career (by KC in October 2007) he would have the automatic right to become a free-agent immediately, or he could accept the outright assignment and defer his right to be a FA until after the end of the regular season.

If Blanco (or "Whitey,",as his teammates call him) did get outrighted and then deferred his right to be a FA until the end of the season, the Cubs could retain him by adding him back to their 40-man roster anytime before the end of the MLB regular season. If he is not added back to a 40-man roster by the end of the season, he would have the right to file for free-agency as an Article XX-C minor league FA starting on the day after the end of the MLB regular season up through October 15th. 

BTW, most players who have the right to be a free-agent if they get outrighted defer their right to be a FA until after the season, because if the player opts for free-agency immediately, he unilaterally terminates his contract, and there is no guarantee he would get a better deal (or even the same deal) from somebody else. After all, before the player got outrighted, any of the other 29 clubs could have claimed him off waivers, but didn't.

That said, occasionally a player just wants out, either because he feels like he would have a better chance to eventually get back to the big leagues with another organization, or because he doesn't like the AAA manager, or the AAA town he's playing in, or who knows what.

In the case of Blanco, he chose to sign with the Cubs as a minor league FA both post-2007 AND post-2008, so the fact that he opted to come back for a second year at Iowa must mean he likes Des Moines OK, and that he likes the Cubs organization.

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