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Wittenmyer tweets that Sam Fuld and Kevin Hart have been optioned to Iowa and David Patton will go on the disabled list with a groin injury. The Cubs will carry 11 pitchers for the time being and Patton will certainly take the full rehab time before rejoining the team.


David Patton will go on the disabled list with a groin injury.

Heh. That is ... uh... convenient?

I think I would rather see Hoffpauir sent down than Fuld, but oh well. I am pretty content with Fukudome in the leadoff spot.

AZ Phil, I need a Rule 5 update on DL time, stat! I assume Patton is not on the 60-day DL, right? Can Rule 5 guys go on the 60-day? Is there a limit to the amount of time they can spend on the DL during their 25-man-roster season?

Glad Hoffpauir and Fox are still with the team.

all your roster answers in one handy place...

A Rule 5 player must remain on an MLB 25-man Active List (or 15-day or
60-day DL) for the entire MLB regular season following selection and
must accrue at least 90 days on an MLB Active List (25-man roster)
before the Rule 5 restrictions are removed. (If the service time
accrued on the MLB Active List is less than 90 days in the season
following selection, the player remains a Rule 5 player into the next

So yes, Patton can go on the 60-day DL, which they haven't done yet. I believe Patton just passed the 90 days on the active list, so with some roster shenanigans, the Cubs should have his rights for next season. He doesn't need to go on the 60-day DL though unless the Cubs need a spot on the 40-man and they're only at 38 right now. 

The maximum Patton can be on a rehab assignment is 30 days, but it depends on when he goes on that rehab assignment and he could reinjure himself or discover a new injury and start over again. I doubt we'll see him again until rosters expand.

A real shame about that groin, did Hendry order the clubhouse attendants to ice the shower floor yesterday?

Sorry for the repost - I didn't see this one, but your assessment makes sense about Patton. Hopefully we can get more than 2 innings out of our starters (this means you Harden) and long relief won't be needed very often...

Kap's Corner says Patton is on the 15 Day

Wiki says that the Rule 5 draftee must be active for 90 days (which I assume Patton has already met), in order to prevent a team from taking a player and immediately putting him on the DL for most or all of the season.

and i thought those guys were kidding about patton & the peel!

Too bad they didn't DL Sorryano...

I don't know about Patton but if I was in his spot and IF i really liked the Cubs and wanted to stay there, I would fake an injury too.

I'll bet Lou or Hendry approached him and "accidentally" kicked him in the jewels. Or maybe he drew the shortest straw...

I think the Cubs kept the right guys, though. Hopefully Miles get a good shot in the nuts too when he is ready to return!

I assume Patton must LOVE the Cubs because being picked up as a Rule 5 guy is the only way he would sniff the bigs for probably at least another 2-3 years.

It has to be absolutely maddening as a minor leaguer working your way up through the system to see a guy from A ball get to spend the season on a major league roster simply because the Rule 5 rules stipulate he must or be returned to his previous team. On the flip side, it must be pretty fucking awesome for Patton.

The question is who put that banana peel there for patton
to slip on?



Glad to see they found a way to keep Fox on the team. I think this was the best possible combination of moves to make.

Wrong! The best possible combination of moves would have been to make Soriano and Bradley play Russian Roulette.

AZ Phil's predicted Patton injury. Amazing.

I am talking to myself in parachat about the merits of vaginas.

Thanks everyone for yet another...unique parachat experience. Where the fizzle is Transmission?

Having a working dinner, last night.


Still around, avoiding The Vagina Dialogues.

The newest edition has a chapter devoted to Soriano. Enjoy the read.

That is pretty sweet about Patton's groin, groins take a long time to heal and often get reinjured, so he could be on the DL for a while - maybe until Sep. 1 even.

The beauty is, I assume next season he would then have options left, so he could spend time in the minors before coming back up again in 2010 and he would basically be another prospect in the system.

Erik Estrada on with Len and Bob talking about his fellow castmates on Celebrity House whatever, and he was talking about Ron Jeremy playing piano and being special ed teacher.

Erik said-

"Ron Jeremy is blessed."

Yes he is.

Good grief, Dusty has put Janish (SS) in to pitch in the bottom of the 8th. He's given up 6 runs so far...22-1 Phils.

Who was telling us to watch out for the Reds?

5-1 in July.

2 out of first, 1 out of second and tied in the loss column with both the Brewers and Cards, who face each other the next 3 games.

Cards this weekend...

right now, it's Harden vs. B. Thompson, Lilly vs Carpenter and Wainwright vs. Wells.

Who will start the 4th game of the series, since we have a day/night DH on Sunday to make up a rainout? Must be Zambrano. Come on, Z - go up and in 4 straight times on Pujols and get that SOB off the plate!!

F the Cards, Brewers and Reds!

The Cubs were 2.5 games out when Aramis went down, they played like shit for 2 months, and they were still only 2.5 games out when he came back. Look out, NL Central! If Harden, Bradley and Sorryano shape up and play to their career norms, we should be in business. As a cherry on top, we got to unveil our secret weapon on the world - Jake Fox, dropping bombs!!

I'm as giddy as a schoolgirl now!! Tee hee!!

totally forgot about the DH...

Cubs have an off-day Thursday conveniently, so Dempster and Wells can go..not sure who they'll match-up against now for Cardinals. Wainwright will go one game, not sure about the other starter for them.

Maybe we could get Derrek Lee to waive his no-trade clause and unload him for a relief pitcher and also finally give Hoffpauir the chance he so richly deserves.

Just kidding....

I read on BCB that we could probably get Lincecum and Matt Cain in trade for Lee.

On WSCR Terry Boers said "his source" with Cubs said Cubs will not be adding any pay roll this year even with new ownership.

Usually pretty reliable.

I can't see the Cubs sale moving through the bankruptcy approval and MLB approval in time for the trade deadline. More realistically it will still likely drag out until the end of the season, all things Cubbery.

And as Hendry said anyway, if these sacks of crap we call ballplayers would just play around their career averages we wouldn't have any obvious holes to fill via trade (other than the horrendous bullpen our glorious GM built).

On another note, it's around time for Harden to miss another month or more on the D.L., isn't it? Watch Hendry go pick someone who is dirt cheap off the scrap heap again like Trachsel. Although if they are dead set on keeping Marshall in the bullpen I would like to see Mitch Atkins get a shot the next time Harden or Z get hurt.

The bankruptcy approval doesn't have any impact on the Cubs operations. All that matters is when the new owner 'non-officially' takes over the Cubs, so that he can give the nod on adding payroll. It's not like there is a judge pouring over the Cubs' balance sheets on a daily basis deciding whether or not they can hire more people.

$900 million for the Cubs is going to be a slam dunk with the owners.

If the current payroll were around $60 mil I might be upset about this, but the Cubs have enough money on the payroll to win. They just need to execute. And for guys like Soriano and Milton Bradley execution could mean couple different things (eye roll).

When I think of Soriano and Bradley, the word "mutts" comes to mind, I don't know why. I think of them affectionately as mutts. We have mutts in the corner outfield positions.

When Bradley is hitting, he spends more time looking at the ump than at the pitcher. The ump should say to him, You want me to pitch?

From the Ryan Braun is a douche chronicles:

He probably should not have made those comments publicly, but Braun has a point. The Brewers pitching has been horrendous. But if they're not going to trade Escobar or Gamel I'm not sure they're going to get much of a return. I wonder how much of a hit Hardy's value has taken this year. Hart has regressed too.

Deep down he wants to play for us - maybe that is the roster move he is talking about.

...and JASON MARQUIS with another 8.0 innings of shutout pitching tonight. aaaargh!

Rockies 1 Nationals 0 in the 8th

I will take Randy Wells as my #5 starter, thank you very much.

JACOS: "...Cubs will not be adding any pay roll."

I have been saying this for 60 days at least.

Some (Real Neal), think this is not the case.

We'll see...

MIKE FONTENOT: You suck, dude. Too small to grab line drives over your head that 27 other team's players would get to - mediocre range, in my opinion to the left or right - and you manager to not get the ball out of the infield these days with RISP and less than 2 outs. I am sorry that the manager is playing you instead of Blanco regularly - if you are going to continue to hit .225, I'd rather have killer defense.

Hold on now! Fontenot is 8/19 in July with a six game hitting streak as a starter.

so, is it the "a blind squirrel can find a nut once in a while" syndrome?

July is 6 days old. how was he in March, April, May and June?

Pretty shitty.

I am hoping someone can hit at least .270 or so OR be spectacular with the glove.

Is that askimg too much?

If Fontenot is a blind squirrel, then Blanco must be a deaf, blind and dumb one at the plate.

That is a given.

I'd rather have his stellar defense than Fontenot's RISP line of:

.196 .313 .294

Here is the "deaf, blind and dumb" guy's same RISP stats:

.217 .333 .261

The Cubs have not had a truly "spectacular" middle infielder like Blanco in a long, long time. Even Brenly mentioned it might be ten years since the team has had a player with his fielding hands.

And, my point is if Fontenot is marginally better - and not even as good right now with RISP - why bother at this point? LEt Blanco have the playing time.

This is an age-old argument that didn't start nor will it stop at TCR. Starting Blanco over Fontenot is an easy decision, imo, I think TRN knows where I stand on that, but it's the old what matters more... bat or defense argument.

Spectacular middle infielders are much more valuable at short than at second. If your idea was to move Theriot to second, it may make a little more sense.

But I don't think you're allowed to use the blind squirrel phrase and then back up your point by using 23 and 51 at bat sample sizes.

Fontenot is 4th on the team at driving in runners, Blanco is 10th.

"Spectacular middle infielders are much more valuable at short than at second."

Really? And why are they "much" more valuable, Real Neal?

Qualify this?

There are several very good second "sackers" that save runs for their teams with great defense, have speed and range, and can make double-plays that other guys can't. Blanco is one of those.

IF Fontenot continues to suck, I'd just as soon live with his D over Fontenot's crappy bat. Lou will keep playing Fonty, and Miles when he returns anyway so all of this will not matter.

If you don't know the value and the placement of players on the defensive spectrum, I am not going to bother illustrating it to you.

"There are several very good second "sackers" that save runs for their teams with great defense, have speed and range, and can make double-plays that other guys can't. Blanco is one of those."

Find one guy, just one, who has been a starter for two or more years with an OPS of 55 at second base. The worst Ozzie Smith did over a two year period was 60. So when the best shortstop ever who everyone acknowledged was a horrendous hitter was playing because of his defense he was still 9% more valuable at the plate than Blanco.

Jose Lind, Bill Mazeroski, Frank White, Orlando Hudson - all of these guys were better hitters than Blanco.

The average MLB second basemen hits .267 .332 .408 (the average shortstop .265.321.381). Blanco's hitting .225 .279 .275.

It's not 1968, you can't get away with playing a guy like that anywhere on the diamond.

I agree with all these points. The offense seems to be getting a little bit better lately, but until they're at least in the top half of the NL in runs scored, it's pretty tough to rationalize keeping Blanco's bat in the lineup. Unfortunately, no one else who plays 2B for the Cubs seems to be able to do much better at the plate.

So, if you cannot see the difference is marginal right now, than I don't know what to tell you. MAybe in Houston, things are slower there.

Mike Fontenot

.236 .314 .369

Andres Blanco

.225 .279 .275

So, RIGHT NOW (save for four games in July), they both suck at the plate.

IF FONTENOT continues this torrid pace - I'd just as soon see Blanco get the innings. I HOPE HE DOES NOT. But IF he continues to struggle, and production is improving from other parts of the lineup, I would be fine to see Blanco there UNTIL SOMEONE WHO PLAYS 2B on the team can hit better than these two.

Who on this team will do this? Jeff Baker Aaron Miles? Ronny Cedeno?


Fontenot has hit .421 .450 .526 over the last seven days. As a second basemen he's hit .263 .336 .358, which is way better than Blanco. There's not many people who expect Fontenot to continue to hit .236 for the remainder of the season. You're one of them, great. But the occasional extra out that Blanco gets at second isn't going to be worth the extra outs he makes at the plate (and the lack of XBH's he produces). Fontenot's got a tangible track record you can point to and say 'look, this guy has hit major league pitching before, and he's a pretty solid second basemen'. You can't say that about Blanco. Blanco has never, and by all indications never will be able to hit major league pitching.

" There's not many people who expect Fontenot to continue to hit .236 for the remainder of the season. You're one of them, great."

There you go again, spreading lies for your own sake.

I used the word : "IF", in the context of the phrase, "IF he [Fontenot] continues..."

That is my whole point.

You are giving him credit for the last "seven days", but you are not looking at his suckage for the rest of March, April, May and June?

I agree he has a track record of limited MLB hitting success, but this year up until July, has been pretty bad. Unfortunately, Blanco really sucks too at the plate. Boy - if he only COULD hit...

Look - I really HOPE Fontenot continues to hit from now -October. But his glove is average at best. Last night, two more inches more of height and he has a line drive that most of the other 2B in the league makes - which leads to a run. On another play - to his right - he fails to get to ground ball that Blanco gets to.

So again, IF HE CANNOT RAISE HIS STATS, who should get the time there?

I wish we still had DeRosa - but that pony left...

Shouldn't you build a lineup on what you expect to happen, not what has happened?

If Fontenot goes back into a slump, we should trade for another second basemen, unless Miles comes back and starts hitting again.

I just can't see any scenario where Blanco playing more than once a week is a good thing for the Cubs. I think you're over reacting based on two balls that Fontenot didn't get yesterday, and imagining this vast gulf of defensive value between the two players. There is a difference in defensive value, but it's not that great.

"I think you're over reacting based on two balls that Fontenot didn't get yesterday..."

I will admit that is probably true to an extent, that and his poor RISP success - however, in fairness this is something shared by many of his teammates unfortunately.

One of the reasons DeRosa was trades was the GM's (and manager no doubt) felt that Fontenot would put up similar numbers projected over a full season. MAny people here felt that way too post-trade in order to justify it. Perhaps you were one of those - I don't remember.

Maybe Hendry can trade for Pacido Palanco (whom the Cubs could have had 2006-2007)?

As I recall I expected Fontenot to hit about his career average numbers coming into the season. Not as well as in 2008, but better than 2007.

I think Polanco is just about done, plus his team is in first so it's unlikely they want to shake things up. Adam Kennedy is having a good season and Beane is always willing to trade, but BP says his fielding has fallen on hard times. Freddy Sanchez bats wrong-handed, and I don't see any upside to him, that is he's probably hitting as well right now as he ever will. Then there's Brian Roberts... he would fit on the Cubs, though I think that Angelos has mistakenly identified him as a 'franchise' player.

Wait... you think that a 129 difference in OPS is a "marginal" difference?

Well...that is a stretch. My bad.

I wish I could really defend Blanco's bat - but only in comparison to the pre-July Mike Fontenot.

MAybe Fontenot can grow four inches and pull his BA and OPS+#'s up sooner rather than later, at the very least.

IF not, we currently have Jeff Baker and Aaron Miles to look forward to.

He sure plays a mean pin ball...

\m/ >.< \m/

So much for my Cincinnati-2nd place predictions this year. I'm thinking that isn't happening. Beat 22-1 today by the Phillies. For the record... I don't want anyone claiming that I don't own up to shitty predictions.

Anyways, watching the Cubs game tonight I was struck by how different the lineup is, top to bottom, with A-Ram in it. It seems obvious it's a way better lineup with A-Ram, but until you watch 2 months without A-Ram, then see him back in the lineup you just don't understand HOW different it is. Even if he's not hitting for power right away. Welcome back and try to keep the shoulder attached this time.

I agree, mostly.

We will have to see. I was fairly close at the game tonight, and its gonna take him a while to get back in sync (NOT the band, either).

At least we have Jake to back him up as he eases his way back.

Didn't the Cubs get beat by a worse team 11-2 on Saturday, at home? It's one game.

Without Volquez, though, the Reds aren't going anywhere.

How are the Brewers a "worse team"? They are still in front of the Cubs in the standings.

He means Phils > Brewers

Oh. Then it makes sense.

I personaly like the job our new leadoff hitter is doing,did anyone think pinella would put fukudome batting leadoff
I did not see it coming.

me either...i thought it would default to theriot with fuku/reed following.

i'll take it...not like theriot has much speed or anything.

reed johnson, if playing to expectations in platoon, should be in a similar boat if they choose to lead off with him.

nice to see dlee hitting again and regularly.

Indeed, CRUNCH, apparently Lou will be starting RJ #1 against lefties. Check tonight.

I thought about Fukudome at leadoff for a couple of weeks, but I didn't write it down so I should shut up about it now.

Lou had been giving him the steal sign a lot, but I didn't think Fukudome had passed that particular leadoff test. He gets thrown out half the time.

He's an OBP guy, not a run producer, so he does less harm at leadoff than anywhere else. Another thing I noticed yesterday. Fukudome takes a lot of close pitches and relies on the ump not to widen the zone. As a leadoff hitter, he's just doing his job taking those pitches, and the umps may give him more calls.

Besides, he wears #1 so it was inevitable.

For real, either Lou has to stop bunting in the first with Theriot or he needs to finally admit that Theriot needs to bat 8th.

I like the formula right now in the 1st inning - Fuku gets on, Theriot tries to bunt him over, and DLee drops a bomb.

If Sorryano can get dropped to the 6-hole (and deservedly so), then Theriot can move down as well, but who do you put in the 2-hole? Fontenot/Blanco? Is that better?

here's the deal, three times in the last few games the leadoff hitter gets on. twice theriot has bunted and swung away once. all three times lee has homered. so, the bunt didn't help anything except save the double play. in the one time theriot swung away, he got a single. so by my count the bunts could have cost us 2 runs and have gained us zero.

so if lou is so sure that theiot is going to do something to hurt the team, he shouldn't bat second.

Right Chad. I'm sure that Lou thought to himself " I'm pretty sure that Theriot will hurt us here...better make him bunt."

Theriot is hitting .289, his OBP is .344 (decent, not remarkable) and is second on the team in runs scored.

Perhaps Lou was...I dunno...trying to get the runner into scoring position? It's rare, but some teams will still do that occasionally.
It's not popular, but it's still done.

You theory is ludicrous.

When Chad comes down on the same side as sabermatics, it's a reasonably safe assumption that he is correct. At least, Theriot should not be sacrifice bunting in the first inning. No regular player should ever be bunting in the first seven innings, and certainly not the guy you have getting the 2nd most plate appearances in the lineup. If he can hit, let him hit. If he can't hit, bat him 8th or 9th. All sacrifice bunting does is decreases the chance for a big inning, and your #5 hitter coming to the plate.

That may be true. Do we think that Theriot was bunting on his own?

If Lou gives him the sign to bunt, doesn't he have to do it?
I'm not saying I agree with the bunting, I'm saying how is it Theriot's fault for following the sign?

No one is blaming Theriot. We're blaming Lou for wanting to bunt in the first, and/or deciding that Theriot is such a liability at the plate that he should bunt in the first. If that is what Lou thinks, Lou should bat him down in the order.

Ok....It's hard for me to believe that if your second hitter is hitting .289, doesn't strike out a lot, and is willing to walk occasionally, that he is a liability at the plate.

If Theriot was hitting .250, striking out a lot, etc..then I could see your point a little clearer.

Who should hit second then?

Someone who Lou doesn't think should be bunting in the first inning.

Well that's certainly helpful.

I believe Lou is merely using the outdated idea of the sac bunt early in the game, and would use it regardless of who was hitting second.

That's entirely possible. However, if Lee was batting 2nd yesterday, I don't think he would have bunted. shit?

Why in the hell would Lee be batting second? I'm pretty sure if Chase Utley was hitting second, he wouldn't have bunted either.

Of course, generally players like Lee aren't batting second.

I am sorry we don't have a power hitting, elite shortstop.

Again, if not Theriot, who should be batting second for the Cubs?

Milton Bradley is the name that comes immediately to mind. However, that fucks up our 'lineup balance'.

That, and the fact that Milton Bradley has stunk up the joint this season.... It also takes away a guy who is supposed to be driving in runs for us, if a traditional lineup is used.


That about right?

I may hit Fontenot fifth in that lineup.

The idea of having your top 4 OBP guys in the top four slots of the lineup seems good to me. I don't have a big problem with the 2009 version of Theriot batting second, though. His new found power and lack of grounding into double plays are two good things. Now if he could just get his walking habits back... and if Lou would quit making him sacrifice in the first inning.

"supposed to be driving in runs"--in that case, the scouts didn't go over the numbers very well. Bradley has never driven in 80 runs, and has been above 60 only twice. He doesn't look like a run producer to me.

Who would have thought that Bradley's not getting hurt would be so inconvenient?

Neal may be on to something. Put the two ump-centric OBP guys at the top of the lineup.

Of course, Fukudome wasn't hired to lead off or Bradley to bat second, but that's Hendry's worry.

Perhaps hitting second would jump start Bradley?

He's got the plate discipline, and if his power decides to return, that's a bonus.

He's looked a lot better since they made that change to his left handed stance. He hasn't gotten a lot of results yet, but he's swinging through fewer fastballs and hitting more line drives.

At this point, assuming that Ramirez gets going, I think our offense is going to be fine. Soriano is the only guy I am still worried about and he's been striking out less, which has to be a good sign.

I think putting him at leadoff or 2 could help because he might feel less pressure to hit for power. I think when guys aren't hitting for power like they normally do they start pressing and swinging harder, which just leads to more misses and pop-ups.

He's always been good at taking walks and working counts, but as a run producer maybe he feels like he shouldn't be doing those things as much. If he's hitting in front of the other power hitters, he'll probably feel more comfortable taking his walks, working counts, and not swinging for the fences. Hopefully by shortening his stroke a bit he'll start hitting more line drives, which will inevitably lead to some of those balls leaving the yard.

do you realize how little sense you make here?


A. Theriot is a good hitter deserving of hitting second. and therefore shouldn't be bunting in the first inning
B. Theriot is a likely double play candidate best served to bunt a guy over rather than swing away. therefore deserves to bat at the end of the lineup?

which is it? becasue based off Lou's actual actions (forcing him to bunt) it looks like Lou's better choice is B.

my point is this:

Don't bunt in the first inning.

Then I agree with that point. I just don't think it's Theriot's fault that he was given a bunt sign.
I think it's more an issue of Lou managing like it's 1982 instead of 2009.

It's not like it was Andres Blanco at the plate, or some other no-hit player.

the only person blaming theriot for being bad here is Lou. If theriot bats second he needs to swing away.

On ESPN talking about the return of Aramis (paraphrasing)
"He will help the team because he is a Gold Glove caliber 3b. Good hitter, too"

Aram has improved a ton defensively, but I don't know if he's GG level. I know nothing of defensive stats and how he ranks.

It's an optical illusion. A-Ram only looks like a gold glover after watching Fox & Fontenot try to play third.

Submitted by Ahone Ahtwo Ahthree on Mon, 07/06/2009 - 3:31pm.
Wiki says that the Rule 5 draftee must be active for 90 days (which I assume Patton has already met), in order to prevent a team from taking a player and immediately putting him on the DL for most or all of the season.


AHONE: Wiki is wrong. A Rule 5 player can be placed on the DL at any time, just like any other player on a club's 40-man roster.

For example, LHP Edward Campusano (selected from the Cubs by MIL in the 2006 Rule 5 Draft and then traded to DET) suffered a season ending elbow injury that required Tommy John surgery in Spring Training 2007, and the Tigers placed him on the DL prior to the start of the season. Then Campusano spent the entire 2007 season on the 60-day DL.

Another example... The Pirates placed Rule 5 LHP Donald Veal (selected from the Cubs in last December's Rule 5 Draft) on the 15-day DL on 5/31, after he had spent only 56 days on the Pirates MLB Active List (25-man roster). So he will need to spend another 34 days on the Pirates MLB Active List in 2009 in order to have the Rule 5 restrictions lifted after the season. The Pirates can accomplish this by activating Veal from the DL on September 1st, because the MLB regular season runs through October 4th this year, and that's 34 days right there.

As for David Patton, he spent 91 days on the Cubs Active List (25-man roster) prior to being placed on the DL, so he is clear as far as accruing 90 days on an MLB Active List. But even though he has accrued the required 90 days, the Rule 5 restrictions will still apply to Patton through the 2009 season.

So the way a club is prevented from stashing a Rule 5 player on the DL is that a Rule 5 player must spend one full season on an MLB Active List (25-man roster) and/or MLB 15-day or 60-day DL, AND MUST ALSO accrue at least 90 days on an MLB Active List, before the Rule 5 restrictions are lifted.

So if a player has not accrued at least 90 days on an MLB Active List by the end of the season following selection in the Rule 5 Draft, the player remains a Rule 5 player into the next season (or could be even the season after that), until he has accrued 90 days on an MLB Active List.

proof that stats lie:

Aaron Heilman has a 1.93 earned-run average since May 28.

Matchups and Stl stuff:

both papers say the rotation vs Stl this weekend will be Harden (Fri) vs Thompson, Lilly (Sat) vs Carpenter, Sunday day/night DH, Dempster and Wells (vs Wellemeyer, Wainwright or Piniero...can't tell from their schedule yet... Piniella hasn't decided on the pitching order of day night DH)...and Z will be available in the bullpen during the weekend (he goes Wed vs Atl
DeRosa's wrist injury, should hear about a wrist MRI today: (from stl's website)

On Monday's off-day, DeRosa will return to St. Louis to get the injury looked at and see how to progress.

"I'm going to fly back to St. Louis [on Monday] and have an MRI, just to kind of figure out what is the problem," DeRosa said on Sunday. "But I hit today, and as I continued to hit, it progressively got better, not worse, which is a good thing."

DeRosa took swings off of a tee on Saturday, and on Sunday he progressed to taking soft-toss. He has yet to take full batting practice, either in the batting cage or on the field.

the toughest part for ARam...

"The worst thing is going to be swinging," he said. "I finish with my left arm over my head. That's when it's tough sometimes.

"That's the way I hit. Even if I tried to, I can't change, so I'm going to have to live with it."
I've posted on this before but...because he's a right handed hitter his left (injured) shoulder/arm is in front and it's the follow through in his swing that puts the left shoulder in extension, especially if he uppercuts a bit rather than a completely level swing. Extension and external rotation is typically the position where instability can become an issue. This doesn't mean it will dislocate from swinging but it might create some discomfort if he does get some subtle instability, so the above ARam quote makes sense.

Maybe he should have stayed out through the break?

C Kahrl from Baseball Prospectus was at the Sunday game vs Brewers and had this writeup. Apparently liking the acquisition of Jeff Baker:

I'm generally impressed with what they've done here. Now, sure, a lot of this is easy to like, in that anything that involves absenting Miles is improvement, and I've been a noisy Jeff Baker fan going back almost a decade ago, when I spoke with him and his father for a piece for about Baker pere doing things like starting t-ball leagues for his son in Saudi Arabia during assignments there in the early '80s. (Baker's father also played for West Point.) Baker's utility is as a multi-positional reserve who can play anywhere but center or short well, while providing some power, especially against left-handers, who he's battered for a (Coors-aided) .278/.342/.556. It's hard to see exactly where he'll fit in over the course of the season, because the Cubs are due for a roster crunch... He's certainly a major upgrade on Freel, who isn't really much of an infielder any more, on those odd occasions when Freel's healthy enough to employ.

That Christina Kahrl is a really ugly broad.

She makes Carrie Muskrat look almost feminine.

Cubs don't have enough to get him without involving a 3rd team, according to Rosenthal'-Halladay-all-but-gone-in-Toronto

Could be serious trouble if he ends up in the NLC.

It actually says they didn't have enough to land Peavy without adding a third team... which I don't think was true. They started talking about trading DeRosa with the Peavy rumors. Part of the third team part may have been for the Cubs to shed payroll.

If the Cubs were to offer Vitters, Fox and Wells/Jackson, the Blue Jays would be hard pressed to find a better offer. They are a team that could probably use Fox (Kevin Millar getting a lot of at bats for them). If I were the Cubs GM, that would be a tough decision to make. Personally, I really like Halladay.

I'm not sure that would get you Halliday. In fact, I'm having trouble finding a way the Cubs COULD get him.

So the BJs will say to themselves... is Vitters, Fox, and Wells (and paying them next to nothing) a better value than Roy Halliday for 2 years at $20 mil? I don't think so. Roy Halliday for 2 years at $20 mil is some insanely good value. I think it would take a Pedroia-caliber player plus.

On the other hand, times are tough and teams are looking for ways to dump salary, so who knows.

That's a year and a half at $20 million.


Cubs having Chad apprecition day 7/24/2009

nah. gerbils aren't my kink.

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    billybucks 8 hours 42 min ago view
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    billybucks 10 hours 2 min ago view
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    rvimpeny 10 hours 3 min ago view
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    My trip to Chicago has nothing whatsoever to do with the Cubs. In actuality, I am a Red Sox fan.

    CTSteve 10 hours 4 min ago view
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    billybucks 10 hours 11 min ago view
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    crunch 10 hours 24 min ago view
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    crunch 10 hours 31 min ago view
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    billybucks 10 hours 34 min ago view
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    billybucks 10 hours 37 min ago view
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    billybucks 10 hours 38 min ago view
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    crunch 11 hours 8 min ago view
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    Brick 11 hours 10 min ago view
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    crunch 11 hours 11 min ago view
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    Rob G. 11 hours 17 min ago view