Disabled List Welcomes Yet Another Cub

As expected, Carlos Zambrano will be placed on the disabled list with recurring back spasms. It'll be back-dated to August 2nd though and he could return as soon as August 17th. If he can return by the 17th, it would mean just one start would need to be covered on Wednesday, August 12th versus the Phillies. Jeff Stevens is being recalled to take Z's roster spot, and it appears that Jeff Samardzija is the clubhouse leader to take the start on Wednesday. The Phillies of course feature lefties Ryan Howard, Chase Utley and Raul Ibanez, but their overall team OPS versus lefties and righties is about the same.

On the flip side, Ted Lilly felt good after a bullpen session and should be back sooner, rather than later. They haven't put a timetable yet on it, but it seems reasonable he could be back within a week.

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Who'd you'd rather have coming out of the pen to face a tough lefty right now, Marshall or Gaub? And who would you rather have pitching 5-6 innings in a single game for you right now, Samardzija or Marshall?

I really would've supported a Gaub up, Marshall to the rotation move, for at least this week.

I think that the difference between Smardipants and Marshall is likely to be very small as starters, and Gaub isn't on the 40 man yet, and Stevens has shown he's not useless.

is gaub even throwing 90mph yet?

he used to throw mid-90s, but worked high 80s afterwards for years after shredding his shoulder. he's got a slider, too. meh...a slower-tossing lefty marmol.

As in a slower tossing John Rocker at the end of his career? Crap.

Should we go after Wagner?

With a show of hands, who here would welcome a move for Billy Wagner (who is approximately 4 minor league appearances away from a MLB return after Tommy John surgery). I would take him - even throwing right handed - over Gregg.

cubs got what it takes to get wagner?

btw, wagner used to throw right handed til his teens. he switched to throwing lefty because of soreness/injury. looks like he made a good decision and found something special in that lefty arm.

Gladly...but I also wonder whether we would want to give up marquee prospects for him.

That said, if they are interested in a Fontenot/Miles package...

perfect.

Riot MB Lee Ram Fuku Sori Soto Miles Demp

interesting...at least miles and soto in more proper places.

Give me:

Fuku Theriot Lee Ram Fox Soriano Soto (crappy 2nd baseman of choice) SP

I know Bradley is great at walking but sometimes you actually need to put the bat on the ball and make something happen by getting a hit. He never does in situations like that. Time to play him against lefties only.

No reason to take Fuku out of the leadoff spot. Ever.

Good call there Pat (Bradley with the game winning RBI last night). Today say he never hits two HR's in a game, please.

Lou on pregame said Shark will get start Wed vs Phils.

a 2-pitch "both fastball" pitcher vs. the phillies lineup? okay, sure.

I see opportunity.

Take the over on runs scored.

Ramirez left game early with left shoulder soreness...

ruh roh..

Hope the Ramirez thing isn't serious...the way things are going though who knows.

This win was at least huge, win 1 of the next 2 and I'll be happy enough although they might be looking at being a game and a half out of first.

The Pirates actually have a decent shot tomorrow with Duke going vs Piniero its the one game of the series I think they have a good shot to win.

...ruh roh
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Comcast showed the replay on where ARam seemed to have onset of left shoulder soreness. It was the single to left in the 3rd by Quintanilla. ARam had his glove outstretched as the ball went over his glove and quickly pulled his left arm down with a grimace...but stayed in the game for 2 more at bats ( K in the 4th, GO in the 5th). Len/Bob noticed the incident and kept commenting that he looked like the shoulder was bothering him, even before they took ARam out of the game.

Hard to say if it's going to be more than a one game issue but I'd expect Fox/Baker to be at 3B tomorrow.

Left shoulder soreness is far less of a concern than right shoulder soreness, am I right?

no, left shoulder is the one he dislocated...

It is my opinion that in the one loss to Cinci during the last home-stand, he aggravated the shoulder.

In that game, after a diving stop, he kept removing his glove from his right hand and commenced to shaking his hand and arm at every opportunity.

Just my own theory.

...removing his glove from his right hand

I meant his LEFT hand.

fwiw, initial reports indicated it was not serious

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/spor...

Left shoulder soreness is far less of a concern than right shoulder soreness, am I right?
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ARam dislocated his left shoulder on May 8th in Milwaukee. His right (throwing) shoulder has never been injured. The dislocaton was on his glove side and happened when he dove toward the 3B line in Milwaukee. So at this point, left shoulder symptoms are going to be attributed to the laxity of that shoulder and any hyperextension with the arm outstretched is the position it's at risk to get reinjured. This certainly wasn't another dislocation but there is probably some instability when it gets stressed so he probably needs a day or two off if it's sore from whatever happened tonight in the 3rd inning.

enjoying the change of scenery...

2 HR's already, .314 BA as a Pirate...

hey, it's the best week he'll ever have...

The Dave Van Dyke report on ARam is odd...and isn't in sync with what Len/Bob reported in terms of him hurting in in the field. Len/Bob later in the game had the replay on the single over ARam's head as I mentioned in post #15 so it was pretty obvious he did something uncomfortable to his shoulder on that play. Also DVD said ARam struck out 3 times but he grounded out 4-3 in the 5th (right after DLee's HR).

Carrie Muskat also comments on ARam's shoulder, but doesn't add any insight...saying that the error ARam made in the 4th didn't seem to be related to shoulder problems. Basically he bobbled the ball then kicked it when he should have had an easy force at third and maybe a 5-3 DP.

http://cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090808&...

Anniversary of Greg Maddux using the tarp as a slip and slide. 8-8-88

http://tinyurl.com/lgcj7z

Beat writers say ARam's shoulder has been sore since Cincy (4-5 days).

Wittenmeyer/Sun-Times:

Ramirez won't play today, and his status beyond that is uncertain after he finally succumbed to pain in the shoulder that had been bothering him since the series against the Cincinnati Reds earlier in the week.

''Today I just couldn't do it,'' he said. ''I tried.''

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Van Dyke/Tribune:

Aramis Ramirez, who left the game after the top of the fifth with stiffness in his left shoulder, the same one that put him on the disabled list earlier this season.

"I've been sore for four or five days," said Ramirez, who struck out three times. "I just couldn't do it. I tried."

Ramirez will sit out Sunday's game and will decide Monday whether to play the finale of the four-game series.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs...

Lilly about a week away...

On schedule: Ted Lilly could return from knee surgery and shoulder soreness when the Cubs play in San Diego starting Aug. 17, although they are being careful to make sure he is ready.

"Most important to me is to make sure the shoulder is strong and is prepared to handle the load that's going to come up," he said. "It's an important part of the year,. I want to be as strong as I can possibly be."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs...

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  • Ramos torn ACL

    jacos 26 min 34 sec ago view
  • Sure, its not about his record.

    jacos 28 min 14 sec ago view
  • Do you start him Sunday or not?

    @jonmorosi Pitchers w/ sub-2.00 ERA in year of 185+ IP this century: Pedro ’00, Clemens ’05, Kershaw ’13/’14, Arrieta ’15, Greinke ’15, Hendricks ’16.

    Rob G. 1 hour 49 min ago view
  • Yeah -- that would be rough for him. But, Monty is getting people out, he's a lefty and he has experience working out of the bullpen. Hammel? None of the above.

    billybucks 2 hours 44 min ago view
  • even if he's not starting, abandoning hammel would be a bit of a 'screw you.' i think it might be -monty +hammel, but it's speculation.

    either way, someone's gonna be disappointed.

    crunch 3 hours 45 min ago view
  • Joe said he is leaning towards 11 pitchers and 14 position players.

    - 4 starters, Chapman, Rondon, Strop, CJ, Wood, Grimm, Monty. No dice for Cahill or Smith.
    - 3 catchers, Rizz, Zo, Addy, KB, Javy, Heyward, Fowler, Soler, Coghlan, TLS and then Sczcur over Almora?

    billybucks 3 hours 56 min ago view
  • Cubs 3B Jason Vosler made two really bad throws on consecutive AB in the 8th. Fortunately the game was no longer in doubt at the time  

    The first one was a one-hop lob that allowed the batter to reach base on an infield single, and the second was air-mailed so far over the first-baseman's head that it went over the fence and landed in Field #4.

    Arizona Phil 4 hours 31 min ago view
  • E-MAN: Despite the HR, Donnie Dewees is really more of a slash hitter (the HR was an opposite-field line-drive) who can accumulate lots of doubles & triples. He's also a good bunter and can get on base that way, too. Although he was thrown out trying to steal in the game, he's actually a good base-stealer and baserunner.

    Defensively he has plus-range and tracks fly balls OK, so he can play CF, but he has a rag arm that requires the middle infielders to go out further into CF to make relays.

    Arizona Phil 4 hours 32 min ago view
  • I don't know how many of you remember Bobby Knoop, who played 2B for the Angels, White Sox, and Royals back in the day, but he is a coach-emeritus for the Angels, and works with the infielders at Minor League Camp, Extended Spring Training, and Instructs. He's pretty spry for a 77-year old, and he really knows his shit.

    Arizona Phil 5 hours 20 sec ago view
  • With a big lead, Chapman was throwing sliders and changeups, something he's reluctant to do in a save situation. (Len and Jim covered this.)

    VirginiaPhil 5 hours 9 min ago view
  • Maybe they have a bad owner, I don't know, but they still have players and fans and a franchise, all devastated by this loss of life. Plus, everybody who follows baseball is a fan of a guy like this. It's why I used the word tragedy, which other people throw around but I try to be careful with.

    I'm at an age where I remember old incidents better than recent ones, but I have to go back to Herb Score for something as disturbing.

    VirginiaPhil 5 hours 24 min ago view
  • That was Dee Gordon's only HR this year. Wow.

    billybucks 5 hours 26 min ago view
  • Thank you PHIL.

    Glad you avoided temps in the 100s.

    I remember you mentioning Dewees needng plenty of work in th IF. How are his OF instincts?

    Also, did see much of Satchel McElroy? Only Satchel I have heard about other than the "orignal" and one of Woody Allen's kids.

    The E-Man 8 hours 12 min ago view
  • Hate to give the Mets credit, but they did everything right tonight in what had to be a very tough game for them to play. As Hollandsworth said on the Cubs post-game -- if you watched the game, you saw Mets players consoling Marlins players who were in tears during the game. Between that and the way Molina handled the Ross farewell -- maybe the Mets and Cardinal players aren't pure evil. Just the fans.

    billybucks 15 hours 43 min ago view
  • New York Mets @Mets
    Dee Gordon lead-off home run. #AintEvenMad #BiggerThanBaseball 1-0 Miami.
    7:25 PM - 26 Sep 2016

    https://twitter.com/Mets/status/780548827963133953

    crunch 16 hours 20 min ago view
  • Amazing effort by Gordon -- truly remarkable.

    billybucks 16 hours 41 min ago view