Game 117 Thread / Cardinals @ Cubs (2 of 3)

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SP Todd Wellemeyer SP Carlos Zambrano

8-4, 4.01, 87 K, 41 BB, 128 IP

12-4. 2.76, 98 K, 47 BB, 146.2 IP
       
CF *Skip Shumaker LF Alfonso Soriano
2B *Adam Kennedy SS Ryan Theriot
1B Albert Pujols 1B Derrek Lee
RF Ryan Ludwick 3B Aramis Ramirez
LF #Felipe Lopez CF *Jim Edmonds
3B Troy Glaus 2B Mark DeRosa
C
Yadier Molina RF *Kosuke Fukudome
P Todd Wellemeyer C Geovany Soto
SS #Aaron Miles P #Carlos Zambrano

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manthislineupsucks

bernie mac is dead :(

oh man...

Have mentioned recently how much I hate Fox? Well I do. Fuck these broadcasting rules.

screwy thing is the east coast is getting this game.

9.999999 times out of 10 you get BOS/NYY/NYM based games...occasionally ATL.

Maybe you're getting it for some reason, but flagship Fox in NY is doing Angels/Yankees just like the west coast.

whatever's going on i'll take it. dunno how they break them up these days but it used to be a 3-tiered thing.

if its more regionally controlled now that makes a bit more sense.

I switched off Fox and I'm alternating between WGN and ESPN Radio on XM 183. Both require fiddling with the DVR to synchronize with the Fox broadcast.

Has anyone tried this $40 SportSync radio advertised by WGN? Features a slider control to set a delay of up to 8 seconds.

http://www.sportsyncradio.com/index.html

Doesn't look like Z's day today. Let's hope the offense can bail him out.

Stockton is truly clueless on baseball - shades of the playoffs last year. He's still OK on football, but please, can't they find someone else these days?

edit 3 home runs Make that FOUR BALLS THAT LEFT THE YARD. Something's not right.

If it isn't Lee it's Ramirez grounding into a double play. Nice one-two punch.

Z was due for stinker at some point - and here it is.

Get that slump out of the way now, Z. We need you to be lights out at the end of the season heading into the playoffs.

Why did Z stink?
No Movement?

he was throwing strikes. It seemed to me the cards knew what he was going to throw. Like he is falling into a pattern. But once you give up 5 runs, you would think the pattern would change. Any ideas?

he was missing his spots, mostly. catcher would set up low/in and it'd end up low/in-the-middle-of-the-f'n-plate.

one of the homers was on a hanging slider. that happens.

fastball was giving him the most control issues.

Was he throwing sidearm 91 MPH fastballs or his good over the top one?

didn't pay attention to motion, release, or velocity. spent most of the game in denial.

Maybe something went wrong Z's pre-game hammering and piggyback of Godenot ...

Most of the Cardinal hitters were swinging at the first pitch (and connecting), and a few were sitting on Z's inside fastball, even out of the strike zone. Maybe Larussa did spot something.

Just one of those games, but Sundays game is pretty huge. Gotta keep winning series.

Thanks Fox Sports!

Just for fun-- Hoffpauir's stats the last two seasons at Iowa:

132 G, 519 AB, 175 H, 53 2B, 0 3B, 31 HR, 147 RBI, 35 BB, 64 K, 2 SB, 1 CS.

337/379/618; .997 OPS

(eat your heart out Daryle Ward)

I spoke too soon. After Saturday night's game vs. Round Rock (in which he hit 4 home runs), Hoffpauir's updated stats over two seasons:

133 G, 524 AB, 179 H, 53 2B, 0 3B, 35 HR, 151 RBI, 35 BB, 64 K, 2 SB, 1 CS.

342/383/643; 1.026 OPS

Hoffpauir has hit 3 hr's in tonight game

damn.

that said, what would be really impressive would be a 3 walk game. hehe...

i agree with a lot of others that hoff's gonna make a great d.ward replacement, though.

make that 4 hr's

"I've been working on trying to stay short on my swing and not try to do too much, and the patience and practice paid off," Hoffpauir said. "I never hit more than two homers in a game and after the third one, the guys were starting to get on me a bit.

Listening, Felix??

BTW, here's Micah Hoffpauir's splits before last nights
four home run performance.....

vs LHP 0.327 0.370 0.592 0.962
vs RHP 0.368 0.388 0.755 1.143

Daryle Ward as a pinch hitter, 39 AB's, 10 walks

.103 .286 .231

That's so refreshing to hear a Cub's prospect talk so seriously and specifically about working on fundamentals.

I've seen Hoffpauir up and down this years in the bigs with a good eye and nice consistency but I don't know much about how he projects long term at a major league level. Bypassing the question of whether he could become a valuable addition prior to September 1, does he have much long term potential?

I know he's pretty old to suddenly be an impactful major leaguer (how common is it for a 28 year old to suddenly find his own in the majors?), but it's not like he's spent a ton of time in AAA. His numbers look pretty good the last couple of years. Clearly we're not looking for a new 1st baseman before 2010. Could he be a good 4th OF? Backup first baseman and 4th OF?

He's really been great this year, but it's his attitude that I find the most promising.

he doesnt project very well cuz he swings at everything...good contact or bad.

that said he doesnt have a glaring hole in his swing like dubois had (i have no idea wtf dubois is doing now with his swing).

also the whole lack of speed and not really being a good OF'r plays against him. he's got the heart to overachieve with his body like matt stairs, but stairs is/was (more like "was" the recently) a guy who can reach back and get a little more outta his speed and D than you'd expect given his talents.

as far as the "lefty who can come off the bench, put something in play, and move some runners" guy goes...he's practically ideal and definitely worth the shot the cubs have given d.ward.

I've seen Hoffpauir up and down this years in the bigs with a good eye and nice consistency but I don't know much about how he projects long term at a major league level. Bypassing the question of whether he could become a valuable addition prior to September 1, does he have much long term potential?

I know he's pretty old to suddenly be an impactful major leaguer (how common is it for a 28 year old to suddenly find his own in the majors?)

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Well, Ryan Ludwick turned 30 this July and had no regular Major League playing time until May of last year ('07). He spent 5 1/2 years in AAA, batting .285, .303, .271, .191, .266 from 2002 - 2006 before finally putting up a .340/8/36 line for the first 29 games in 2007 (including oba & slg of .380/.642), earning a call up to the Cards in May, 2007. He bats .267/14/52 (oba & slg of .339/.479) in 2/3-time duty in 2007 (303 abs in 120 games). Then he hits like a crazy man this year (.307/.385/.614 with 29 HR & 84 RBI in 109 games).

Don't know if Ludwick has arrived or if it is his version of Jim Hickman's 1970 season -- but it has to give hope to someone like Hoffpauir.

"and the patience and practice paid off"

patience? hoffpower?

that mean he taking 3 pitches in an AB instead of 1-2? heh...

Carlos Lee done for the year with a broken finger according to rotoworld. Also Ryan Braun left the game with some back tightness in the 4th tonight. The career of Jose Contreas might have ended tonight as he ruptured his Achillies tendon, thats a 9-12 month rehab and you have to wonder if a 40+ yr old guy would want to go through that rehab.

Contreras came to the country to play baseball. I'd imagine he's goint to play for as long as he can.

Besides Hoffpauir's 4 there were 7 other dingers in last night's game in Roundtripper, er, Round Rock, including one each by Felix Pie [who had 4 hits]& Mitch Atkins [who ran his record to 6-0]...

Josh Kroeger's last two seasons at Iowa, where he has mostly played RF. He turns 26 at the end of the month.

155 G, 537 AB, 157 H, 40 2B, 3 3B, 23 HR, 88 RBI, 59 BB, 103 K, 9 SB, 4 CS.

292/362/507; 869 OPS

Nate Spears's last two seasons at AA, where he has mostly been playing 2B. You'll remember this is the guy we got for Corey Patterson.

138 G, 438 AB, 132 H, 22 2B, 5 3B, 10 HR, 57 RBI, 62 BB, 77 K, 7 SB, 5 CS.

301/388/443 (831 OPS)

There' no one blocking him at 2B in Iowa, so I imagine we'll see how he does next year.

wow, C. Kahrl (Baseball Prospectus) complementing Hendry on the Eyre-Schlitter trade, pigs flying as I type:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?arti...

Traded LHP Scott Eyre to the Phillies for RHP Brian Schlitter. [8/7]

Tasty, but in an amuse bouche sort of way, in that the Cubs got a pair of worthwhile somethings for moving Eyre out of the way: realizing some small amount of cost savings for placing the veteran on somebody else's roster, plus adding a Chicago-native hurler who's doing a good job of blowing batters away in the Florida State League. Schlitter's not a great prospect, but definitely a pitcher worth getting for a discard, a 22-year-old who throws hard, a massive guy on the mound (6'5" and ≈240 pounds) with consistent low-90s heat with good sink (although no good secondary offering; his slider's graded as poor). In his first full season since being picked by the Phillies in the 16th round of the 2007 draft, he's been thriving in High-A, striking out 58 and walking only 17 (unintentionals only) in 48 2/3 IP, and getting 1.8 ground-ball outs for every caught fly. We'll see if he can make the leap to Double-A, but again, we're talking about something for nothing. Nicely done, Mr. Hendry, without even causing any real concern over whether or not you've helped a potential playoff opponent in the process.

and they just said the series finale would not be on live TV. I wonder how in the age of Cable TV how are a game of a playoff contender would not be on live TV. What else does FSN Wisconsin have to air on a Monday afternoon? A 6-hour pregame for the Packers pre-season debut? Through 4 its 0-0.

Hoff - Power = this generation's Keith Moreland? I'd settle for that comparison any day.

So yea... Milwaukee is getting no-hit through 5.

I *heart* Eric Gagne.

gives up back to back jacks in the 8th (Kearns-Millidge)

4-1 Nats

I was thinking earlier of how disappointing Austin Keans and Ryan Zimmerman were this year.

Kearns and Milledge making things difficult for MKE. If the Nats and Cubs both win today, then the Cubs exit the weekend with the same lead as when the series started. And the Cards would be another game off the pace.

the nats are really bad...

4-4

And the Nats show why they're the Nats...

Nats get out of a jam.
Brewers have left 14 on base, recieving 11 walks.
This would really be a huge win for them, with the possibility of ending this 4 game series only down 2.5.

This Brewers team is terrible. The Nats have done everything they can to give them the game but they just can't execute.

Yup. Terrible team. 15 over .500 against a tougher schedule than the Cubs, 2 straight shutouts by top line starters, won 7 of 9 since the Cubs swept them. Awful.

Did you watch this game? i think they got walked 13 times.

excruciating

Yes I watched most of the game. Yes, I understand the Nationals suck. But to call the Brewers "terrible" is extremely silly. They are clearly the 2nd best team in the league, with 2 dominant front end starters who I'd want no part of in the playoffs. 115 games into the season and they are hanging right there with the Cubs. Cubs should hold them off, but they are for real.

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  • kuhl is a righty, not a lefty.

    i think maddon might think kuhl is a lefty, too. i wonder what the reasoning is for baez leading off vs a rightie.

    crunch 20 min 41 sec ago view
  • "trout's one of the best, and at this point should probably win over donaldson (and should have more MVPs in the past, too), but the defensive aspect of valuing WAR still needs more tweaking...imo."

    that's from my 1st post. there's no suck involved in that. maybe with a few less posts about bullshit that point would have jumped out more.

    crunch 1 hour 8 min ago view
  • crunch - you do know that, taking defense out of the equation, Trout has led the AL in wRC+ each of those years, right?

    And, if you want to complain about position adjustment (which would be serious #crunchsplaining), he's been in the top 3 in the AL in WC (not park/league/position adjusted). And the only players ahead of him (if there were any players ahead of him) in any of those years have been DHs or 1B that play lousy defense.

    But sure - Trout sucks (or at least isn't as good as WAR says). Because it factors in defense and position.

    big_lowitzki 2 hours 12 min ago view
  • early tim tebow stuff rolling in...

    ran a 6.7 60yd (above average)...shagging flies in RF and showed off a rather impressive arm a few times, but average-at best on most of his throws...hit a few over the fence (both fields), fouled or weak contact a few...he's got a touch of power

    it'll be interesting to see who bites on this project, if anyone. he probably projected himself out of RF and into LF/1st because of his arm, but unless he can make that power work on a steady basis it'll be hard for him to play himself up anyone's system.

    crunch 2 hours 57 min ago view
  • LHP Clayton Richard (released by the Cubs earlier this month) is pitching very well as a starting pitcher for the San Diego Padres and could be a good candidate to get traded to a contender looking for a veteran SP before tomorrow night's post-season roster eligibility deadline.

    Because they released him, the Cubs are paying most of Richard's 2016 salary (the Cubs are on the hooks for $2M, minus the pro-rated portion of the MLB minimum salary that is paid by the Padres).

    Arizona Phil 4 hours 44 min ago view
  • it is honestly awesome (for real) that anyone would even have a strong opinion on AZL playoffs. i guess if you invest enough time watching it, you want to see a fair/just playoff structure.

    plus, the kids deserve it.

    crunch 4 hours 45 min ago view
  • The AZL team with the best record over the course of the full 2016 AZL season and the only AZL team to play .600 ball (the AZL Dodgers) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, and the AZL East Division team with the best record over the course of the full season (the AZL Athletics) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, either. 

    That's because of the ridiculous "split season" schedule most of the minor leagues now play, a stupid system that rewards mediocrity at the expense of the worthy. 

    Arizona Phil 4 hours 52 min ago view
  • Despite good movement on his fastball, I think location kept him from getting Ks. Left some pitches up and away that got hammered up and away. Then of course Travis Wood gave up the 2-run double in the 7th, but both runs counted against Arrieta.

    Charlie 5 hours 28 min ago view
  • "i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date."

    This level of discourse is #charming.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 5 hours 29 min ago view
  • I would be having this discussion with anyone who (a) blathered on ad nauseum about the topic. (See, "Olt, Mike, not given an opportunity") or (b) responded directly to what I posted (which you did).

    Have a nice day.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 5 hours 31 min ago view
  • what would you do without me? aside from having your posting content here cut by 75%+?

    i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date.

    crunch 5 hours 35 min ago view
  • In this instance, yes, I care more about the result of this big thing that isn't really a big thing.

    #crunchsplaining

    #willlistentojeffsullivanmorethanyou

    #blessyourheart

    #hitler

    #tcrmartyr

    #billyhamiltonwar

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 5 hours 35 min ago view
  • Two things:

    Fangraphs WAR #s include baserunning and Hamilton is elite at that. He leads in SBs with the 54 and and has an 87% rate which is really good. I'm sure once he gets on base he's able to take the extra base quite often too. Both those things will up his overall WAR value.

    The differences between BR and FG WAR is pretty well documented online and thus If there are discrepancies it's fairly easy to figure out why. It's fairly well accepted that BR WAR is fine as a snapshot but FG is better at predicting future value.

    johann 5 hours 39 min ago view
  • i have no doubt at all you quit reading at that point. you're very enamored with outcomes without caring what it takes to get there.

    the fact it's exploitable, especially without someone to cover the running game for him, as well it's evolution in how people are testing possible exploits is interesting to some people...to me...i'm some people...hurrah.

    some people want to check the boxscore to see who won, some want to know how it went down.

    crunch 5 hours 52 min ago view
  • I read it as him saying it's not really that much of a concern and that the one time it really cost Lester, vs. K.C., was an anomaly.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 5 hours 57 min ago view
  • if jeff says it, it's cool...when i say it, it's straight from the mouth of hitler.

    aside from the lack of jeff touching on the insane leads runners take and lester's inability to throw if he's fielding, this is a lot of what i've said about the issue.

    exploitable, needs his own personal catcher to control his shortcomings, relies on his ability to get outs along with his personal catcher keeping runners in check before things become further exploited...

    crunch 6 hours 5 sec ago view