Cubs Rumor Round-Up: Granderson, Padilla & TCR Friday Notes

a lot of ground to cover here, let's get to it...

UPDATE: Muskat previews the Winter Meetings and says up to three teams are interested in Bradley. Talks have happened with the Tigers for Granderson but not looking good at the moment. Reed Johnson is welcome back and Mark DeRosa is out of the Cubs price range.

- Mlive.com has a pretty detailed report on the negotiations between the Cubs and Tigers so far for Curtis Granderson. The Tigers wanted Carlos Marmol or Starlin Castro as the headliner in a trade and they've been deemed untouchable (that always works out well for the Cubs). They did do some previous scouting on Jake Fox last season and he could of been of interest as part of the package, but they'll have to get him from the A's now.  Names like Josh Vitters, Jay Jackson, Andrew Cashner and Hak-Ju Lee are thrown around, but they don't quite bring the right mixture of major league readiness and prospectdom that the Tigers are craving.

- A very sketchy rumor of the Cubs having interest in Vicente Padilla.

- Chone Figgins to the Mariners for 4/36 according to Rosenthal. A bit pricey, but such is the cost of dabbling in free agency.

- My favorite article of the last 48 hours over at NESN.com proclaims, "Cubs May Be Primed to Throw Loads of Cash at Jason Bay".  You see that headline in your Google Reader and immediately start wondering how did everyone miss the scoop on that one? Then you click the link written by Evans Clinchy, who graduated from Tufts University with a degree in English and you start to wonder if Tufts University must be some online diploma factory.

Mr. Clinchy goes on about how the Cubs would be some good fit for Bay because they've thrown money at outfielders before, without offering any type of inside source or made-up source or even a guy that looked like Jim Hendry at the coffee shop saying the Cubs have any interest in Bay. He completely ignored or just didn't bother to research that the Cubs have very little payroll flexibility this offseason, want to move Fukudome to right and are having a hard time getting anyone to take Bradley without paying most of his contract.

- Here's Arizona Phil's take on Ronny Morla and Matt Spencer from the comments.

Ronny Morla and Matt Spencer will be eligible for the Rule 5 Draft for the first time post-2010.


I have seen quite a bit of Morla out here over the past three years(he was at Extended Spring Training 2007-09), because the Cubs play mostly the A's, Giants, and Angels in Minor League Spring Training, EXST, and Instructs. He is somewhat comparable to Robert Hernandez, a bit raw but with some upside.

And I saw Spencer play quite a bit in his college days at Arizona State and then a little bit in Minor League Camp (ST), and I would compare him to Micah Hoffpauir (1B-LF-RF). While Hoffpauir is the better defender at 1B, Spencer has a stronger arm and is a better corner OF, although he can play 1B, too.


If Hoffpauir spends the entire 2010 season in the big leagues, he will almost certainly qualify for salary arbitration as a "Super Two" post-2010, so the Cubs may be thinking about Spencer as a possible replacement for Hoffpauir in 2011.

He also says Jeff Gray has one minor league option left. With the Cubs swapping Miles and Fox for Gray on the 40-man roster, they have 3 open spots at the moment.

I know there's a lot of hand-wringing going on over losing Fox or more appropriately having to move Fox to get the A's to take on $1.7M of Miles and his contract. I think the Cubs did okay on their prospect haul - of course I thought the same thing when they traded Michael Wuertz to the A's - and no matter what you believe in Jake Fox's talents, they for some reason were under-appreciated and not going to be utlized by our four million dollar manager.  Better to get something, than nothing for a guy who was out of options.

Speaking of, a good time to mention that I completed entering all the transactions between the Cubs and the rest of the league at Wiklifield.  You can find the link on the top menu bar under Wiklified and "Transactions by Teams" which takes you to the current 30 major league franchises. On each page is the Cubs record vs the team, broken out by decade as well and then the transactions and some other tidbits. The A's and Cubs have hooked up quite a bit over the last six years as you can see. Starting with Michael Barrett for Damien Miller in 2003 and so far 3 trades already in 2009 (Wuertz, Roquet and now the Fox/Miles trades)

- The folks at Cubscast are pushing a "Dawson4thehall hashtag blitz" for this Tuesday. I think that means it involves Twitter, and you can support the cause by following their instructions. And then explain to me what the hell hashtag means.

- I was slow on getting this link up, but our pal Tim at Cubby-Blues put together a get-well card for Ted Lilly, including get well wishes from some fans.

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Comments

Brewers make big FA splash.

Sign Greg Zaun.

Hashtag. Unless I'm mistaken, the rest of the world calls it a pound sign. #

Rob, the transaction-by-franchise stuff is great. Does Wiklifield also have all of Hendry's transactions on one page?

not yet, but would love to group all of them together. Anyone can of course contribute to Wiklifield, so if you're so inclined, feel free to start it.

I would love to do it for all the Cubs GM's.

MLB trade rumors posted one earlier
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/07/jim-hen...

Thanks!

I'd like to contribute to Wiklifield, espeically on some of those old players. Now I just have to learn enough about them to actually communicate something...and find the time.

"2000
December 11th: Lost RHP Scott Chiasson to the Cubs in Rule 5 draft."

Man, I remember thinking Chaisson was going to be our closer before he got hurt.

Speaking of closers...

"1987
April 3rd: Traded Brian Guinn (minors), Dave Wilder (minors), and Mark Leonette (minors) for RHP Dennis Eckersley and INF Dan Rohn."

it can get painful looking through some of them....

also needed to thank homerzzz, who helped tremendously with getting me the info from retrosheet and with the site upgrade.

A lot of people forget, or didn't know that Eck was an alcoholic mess when he got traded.

I recall that. Did he "clean up" upon getting to Oakland? Thinking about it now, its funny that LaRussa managed him.

"Eckersley remained with the Cubs in 1985, when he posted an 11–7 record with two shutouts (the last two of his career). Eckersley's performance deteriorated in 1986, when he posted a 6–11 record with a 4.57 ERA. After the season, he checked himself into a rehabilitation clinic to treat alcoholism. (Eckersley noted in Pluto's book that he realized the problem he had after family members videotaped him while drunk and played the tape back for him the next day.)"

From his wikipedia, but if you search around you can find more gruesome details.

if you click on the blue links in there, you'll also find things like all the players to be named later, history of Rule 5 draft, I've started putting together Type A, Type B and Type C free agents and free agent compensation as well.

chaisson had a hell of an arm.

I believe he was the last player drafted in the major league portion by the Cubs that stuck until David Patton this year. And they did it by only pitching him 6.2 IP.

Maybe the rules changed because he pitched 73 innings in the minors that year.

Angel Pagan?

Mets sold Angel Pagan to us...

We traded Eric Hinkie for the rights to keep Chiasson.

intriguing, BR.com/Retrosheet says Hinske for Miguel Cairo, but the timing of it on March 28th indicates keeping Chiasson could have been part of it. They did make some other mistakes as well.

a google search seems to confirm it.

thanks for the tip...

Sammy Sosa?

Stevens, I've already compiled all of Jim Hendry's transactions, but just haven't had time to put them up yet. I pasted them all in here for you to work with:

http://wiklifield.thecubreporter.com/Jim_Hend...

If you want edit and reshape the page, put in links, subsections, etc. That would be great!

Crunch loves Hastags

that joke is 3/44, dawg.

In his blog, Bruce Miles of the Daily Herald says that there is "not a shred of truth" to the Padilla rumor.

He has also heard rumblings of some interest in Rick Ankiel, but labels them as "premature" at this point as the Cubs are "merely looking".

I suspect Hendry tried valiantly to acquire OF Aaron Cunnningham from the A's, since the trades of Miles and Heilman have left us completely Aaron-less. Keep an eye out for deals for Cook, Harang, Hill, Laffey, Poreda or Rowand.

That is brilliant. Can a team win with many Aarons?

I would think they'd enhance any team they were on?

It used to be Todds. What's the pattern?

Proper names with double letters. Waiting on the ultra-rare all-Eero team.

I was looking for something solid in that "pretty detailed report on the negotiations between the Cubs and Tigers so far for Curtis Granderson"--but all I could find was a link to Phil Rogers, the source of all Granderson-to-Cubs rumors.

At some point we need a second source here, or it's a non-story.

Sullivan, Miles, Rosenthal have all mentioned the Cubs are interested as well...

jaysyoyn stark on bradley and the winter meetings.

"Bradley was the runaway winner of our Most Likely to Get Traded at the Winter Meetings poll. And why is that? Because Milton Bradley can hit, gang. It's that basic."

pleeeeeeeeeease take our .375+ ob% CF/RF from us so we can get someone who doesn't hit as well...we'll throw in cash, too. he gives our 4m manager a headache because he can hear him from his office...even with the door closed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove09/colu...

....who also misses a quarter of the season with various injuries...who is a powder keg waiting to explode at players, managers, umpires, fans, the media...who has had what could be considered 3 good full seasons in 10, and showed a lack of power last season?

That guy? They should have never signed him. Period.
They sure effed up the handling of the whole suspension, but please don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

if you go out and adopt a problem child from a broken home to take into your foster home you should be prepared to handle it, imo.

nothing excuses bradley's behavior, but they adopted this child then did nothing to coddle the baby. it doesn't matter even a shred that it "shouldn't have to be done" because what matters is it DOES have to be done.

He is a 31 year old man. Man up, take your multi-million dollar paycheck, and play a sport for a living.

Again, don't let the door...yadda yadda yadda...

i have no idea why you think that matters.

just because someone should do something doesn't mean they will. some libertarians have an issue with this concept...the fact they tend to like guns and extreme protectionism over their property would come in handy if they ever got their libertarian fantasy land, though.

everything involving milton and his behavior isn't remotely a secret and if you're going to throw him more than a 1-year deal you better be prepared to deal with him.

...and im not gonna rant on it, but what the hell are we paying an elderly fat man so much money for? i am so sick of superstar managers...spend 500K-1m on one and call it day...put the 2-3m saved toward people who play.

I won't argue your point on managers, I agree.

I feel the Cubs should never have signed Bradley, and that he had a career season in 2008, that he'll have a hard time ever repeating, or coming close to again.

What about 2007?

That powerhouse 61 game season? Yeah, Hollandsworth was really good for 50 games once upon a time. Bradley's not worth what he'll be paid for a really good 60-90 games.

His rate stats look great. He doesn't stay healthy, socre a lot of runs, or drive in a lot of runs.

Meh.

So your analogy is Hollandsworth? Did Hollandsworth lead the league in OBP the next year?

You're right, though, Bradley doesn't drive in a lot of runs. I'm not calling in Barry Bonds, but when Bonds was having his "best" seasons, he wasn't driving in a lot of runs either. Any time you've got a .400 OBP, that's very helpful to the team's offense, even if you're just making innings go longer.

Point taken TRN...his numbers look great. Innings will go longer.

My point is that any player can look great for a short stretch of games, or even for one season. Bradley's 2008 was so far out of line with his career numbers, how can it be considered anything but an outlier? He of course, is not as bad as he was last season. But he's just not that great.

Barry Bonds drove in 100 or more runs 12 times. Ok..so we don't mention him in the same sentence as Bradley, and I won't mention Hollandsworth.

Bradley made a whole bunch of promises before he played a game for the Cubs which he didn't live up to. He said all the right things to make this organization take a chance on him.

He lied to get a contract, and never even tried to be part of the team. When you lie, and then steal from the organization like Bradley did, your only recourse is to deep six the worthless piece of shit.

Keep blaming the manager, keep blaming his team mates for not coddling him enough. It has nothing to do with anyone else but Bradley. He is responsible for his own actions end of story. To blame it on other people is just a cop out.

Remember when Bradley suspended himself for the rest of the season? Me neither. The fans and the manager are the ones who got coddled here.

Hendry's actions set a bad precedent for fan behavior. When you let the fans make roster decisions - things never end well.

That is ridiculous TRN.

I still agree that they shouldn't have suspended Bradley, but that's not the real reason and we all know poor production, a bad attitude, and struggling to stay healthy is not wha tthe Cubs thought they were getting.

I'm not sure why they expected anything less.

What's ridiculous?

The fans didnt make the decision. MB made it for Hendry.

Did Hendry ovverreact? Sure, but what's done is done. Bradley did not fit here. Time to move on.

So, there wasn't a large group of vocal fans who did what they could to make Bradley's playing days miserable? That's an interesting hypothesis, but I think it's pretty easily disproved.

What happened in the winter of 2005 with Sosa? Didn't Hendry realize that after bashing him that he had destroyed his trade value, then realize he wasn't going to get good value for him so decided to keep him? Then of course, came the fan fair, where it became obviously that the slavering dogs known as Cubs fans were going to boo Sosa out of Chicago, so Hendry had to trade him no matter what.

Both these moves were motivated by the 'fans', and both of them are going to bite Hendry and the Cubs in the ass.

Yeah...because the Cubs will be hard pressed to find a RF who can do better did what Bradley did last season.

"So, there wasn't a large group of vocal fans who did what they could to make Bradley's playing days miserable?"

Please show where I said that in my post?

mark prior? kerry wood?

You don't have a damn clue what your talking about. Bradley in his final game took himself out of the game. No trainer came out to check on him, he just went to 1b and then turned around and jogged off the field. He didn't limp, he didn't walk, he jogged off the field and nimbly went down the steps and into the dugout.

He moved pretty good for an injured guy coming out of the game. No team mate bothered to even care he was leaving and the trainer was shaking his head like "i am just tired of this shit."

A day or a few days later he was asked to pinch hit and Bradley refused which caused Joshua to get in Bradleys face.

If your gonna refuse to play, thats it your career is over with a franchise. You have just fucked yourself, but in Bradleys case does he care? Hell no he got his money either way. Its a win win scenerio for him.

Bradley caused his own suspension by refusing to play and thinking he was the sole decider on whether he could continue to get away with the shame of his "day to day" injury excuse he has played with for years. Its always been a brilliant excuse for Bradley to use to not play whenever he wants. But jogging off the field and claiming injury kinda exposed that fraud to the entire organization. He has been a fraud since day one anyways.

That's really amazing, MikeC that you can diagnose the condition of a player's knee simply by watching him jog off a field (and he did slowly jog off, like you watch dozens of injured NFL players do every year). Maybe Cubster should hire you?

What happened to Bradley when he tried to play at less than 100% in the spring? Lou pulled him out of the game, benched him, and the lied to the press about how he doesn't play guys if they're not 100%. So, what would you do if your knee is injured, you think playing will aggravate the injury and your manager has already publicly said he doesn't want you to play less than 100%? You'd tell your manager to fuck off, and you'd be right.

What baseball player ever plays at 100%? What football player ever does? One thing that goes to the heart of the matter is a trainer comes out and checks on the player and then decides if he should or should not come out because the player will want to stay in the game. Not Bradley he has no desire to stay in the game at all, he doesn't need a trainer to convince him to come out, because he has already made up his mind, he is done. Some fire, some passion, one hell of a faker.

Bradleys entire body is injured each and every single year and its always day to day, and he never hits the DL. How the hell do you have that many injuries and still heal in a couple days to go back on the field? Well we know what he did in Texas he faked injuries to not play and used the "day to day" excuse. And you don't think he didn't do it in Chicago? Stop being naive and look at the facts.

Injured guys pinch hit all the time. Soriano played on a shredded knee last year. Thats if Bradley was injured, which he wasn't. You can go ahead and believe the man, but he is already a documented liar. Your just buying into the fact that Bradley hides behind a shit load of excuses to explain away his attitude. The injury excuse is just a part of his victim mentality.

"What baseball player ever plays at 100%? What football player ever does?"

I don't know - ask your manager. I didn't read the rest, because it's irrelevant. If your manager benches you for not being 100%, he loses his right to demand that you play when you're not 100%. End of story.

You can look at the video of Bradley coming out of the game, and it doesn't match your description of events at all. You can see he looks uncomfortable when he arrives at first, he stops jogging before he reaches the steps, and slowly takes them in the dugout. Once again, you just don't seem to be able to think about Bradley in an objective way.

http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player_media.jsp?play...

If you watch the "more from this game" you can see that Bradley is also faking his injury in the first inning when he goes from 1st to 3rd he's got his head down and talking to the third base coach.

I agree on your point on the Bradley video...but hiya pot, say hello to the kettle when it comes to thinking about Bradley objectively.

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?en...

Keith Law likes the Fox/Miles deal for the Cubs...

I feel better.

Tim at Cubby Blues should make a get well soon card for Hendry... "Dear Jim, hope you recover soon from your retardation. If not, I will be contacting President Woodrow Wilson's Department of Eugenics."

I can't disagree with his logic here. Lou seemed to have no use for Fox (who has no options) at the end of last season and Miles couldn't be more useless. If you calculated a performance per dollar value statistic for contracts, Aaron's 2009 season would have to be near the bottom of all-time pitiful signings; he should have been paying us...

I like what Hendry has done so far this offseason to chop some very dead wood. I think he gave Grabow a little too much money, but time will tell if it was worth it...

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid...

He owes the Cubs $5.7M from last year, actually, 7.9 since they paid him 2.2.

Actually $7.3 million, since the minimum is about $400K.

If Miles had gotten 680 PA's he would have been worth -$22.8 million.

Holy smokes - I didn't realize they actually had a dollar value statistic which could be attributed to a player's performance! Thanks for providing. Is there a quick way to check how that stacks up against everyone else in the league with at least 150 PAs last season? It has to be near the bottom, for sure...

fangraphs.com

Leaders->Major League->Value and set MIN PA to 150

Miles is 6th

I wouldn't take it too seriously, but it's a fun toy.

Thanks again. 3 things strike me as funny looking at this list - 3 Cubs made the top 20 least valuable players (by dollars) for 2009, a bunch of other names on the list are being talked about as swaps for Milton Bradley (Jose Guillen, Aubrey Huff, Pat Burrell), and last but not least, there are 5 guys worse than Aaron Miles!! Shameful!

http://multimedia.play.it/m/audio/27407353/pa...

interest in Granderson of course...but does say that Cubs think they can resign Lee and Ramirez at a discount and of course like them, so don't expect them to get moved.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/...

"He(Hendry) even told me, he said, 'Look, I couldn't look myself in the mirror and know that I was holding your career back,' " Fox said.

Jason Dubois redux...

Of course, Dubois played only the OF, and never had even the moderate kind of success at the MLB level that Fox had last season.

meant more about essentially saying Fox is a DH and would do better in the AL. I believe those were the nearly exact words he used about Dubois when he moved him to the Indians.

but there's a pretty good argument to say that Fox can only play the OF too...

as for success in the majors:
Dubois: .729 OPS, 5.8 BB%, 38.6 K%, in 227 PA's 4.4 HR/PA
Fox: .761 OPS, 6.1 BB%, 21.3 K% in 256 PA's, 4.3 HR/PA

Dubois had a pretty big hole in his swing, hence that eye-popping K rate, but it's not that big a difference.

40 points of OPS isn't a big difference?

Again, for having played a handfuul of games at 3B in the minors coming in to the season, he showed enough that he could be a decent back-up anyway. AS for LF...please list the plethora of those gold glove type LF'ers out there.

well it's 32 pts...and I don't think anyone think's that a big difference...

as for his defense, well there's no one with the Cubs who thinks he can handle defense to play it regularly, Arizona Phil sure didn't think so either and from what I saw last year, he has really poor technique, especially at 3b.

I wish him the best though, maybe he'll improve, but without any options left and Lou's unwillingness to play him, Hendry was wise to get something for him or use him to get out of most of Miles contract, however that allegedly went down.

Micah Hoffpauir, sans the emergency C, can do as much with the bat imo. Should Lou have layed him more especially when Aram went down? Of course, because the Cubs didn't have a better option.

But I also don't think we traded a regular away...he could have been a good bench option, but if he struggles like say Daryle Ward in 2008 or Hoff for part of 2009, the Cubs are either stuck with him the whole year or they likely lose him for nothing.

Should Lou have layed him more especially when Aram went down?

I think you're asking a lot out of Pinella here. He was just just hired to manage a baseball team, not all the sexual stuff.

"Again, for having played a handfuul of games at 3B in the minors coming in to the season, he showed enough that he could be a decent back-up anyway."

Never called him a regular. But with an aging team with nagging injuries to LF, 3B, 1B, he would have been a good option. I hope that Hoffpauir has a nice season.

hendry's always been good at stuff like that...still...i just do not like the 2 prospects in that deal.

he got a nice/cheap mlb reliever...with 1 pitch.

there was a guzman comparison by a sportswriter, but really...the only link i can think of is they tried to get gray to throw 1000 different pitches developing a secondary. he still doesn't have a very good one out of the slider, change, curve, etc. he's tried out.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/columns/blog/_/pos...

quote came from Hendry about Guzman

"Our scouts felt he throws a lot like [Angel] Guzman, a hard-throwing type guy on the verge of getting better. It's up to him to compete for a job. If not, he's got an option [to be sent to the minors without becoming available to other teams] left."

thnx...also, it's kinda neat he has an option left, didn't know that.

you would if you read the articles around here...

you guys are f'n boring. are you kidding me? hehe...

Anyone have Figgins to Seattle?

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091...

fuck it, I'm putting an open thread up every day

and no to answer your question, Angels, Cubs, Dodgers, White Sox, Mets, Phillies, Giants and Orioles were picked for him.

Hard to believe he got less money than fukudome,Bradley or Dempster.

and w/o having to pay state tax...

technically he's getting more money than Bradley though but slightly less per year.

A's offered more years and money for Scutaro reportedly

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/as-offe...

rings. must...have...a ring...

http://muskat.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/12/12...

season tickets, spring training (decision by january), ice rink by Wrigley...

"The deciding factor will be training for the players," Kenney said. "Tom [Ricketts] has said at the end of the day, if it's a push on all other fronts, where we can train the players to perform the best is where we'll go."

Still waiting for anyone to make an argument that training in Florida is a better situation for the players.

florida is a pipe dream anyway unless they just start fisting over concessions...and even then they'd probably piss off a lot of other teams who operate in florida who have to shuttle players around.

some teams would be looking at a 5-6 hour bus ride to get there...the shortest is 90-ish minutes.

The distance between Spring Training facilities is a rather minor point. The facility is going to be used year-round. The travel consideration only impacts about 12-15 Spring Training games per year.

I don't think the Cubs are going to move to Florida, but I don't think the decision is going to be based on the distance between facilities to spring Training games

it's more the complex-to-complex driving for games...both for the cubs and other teams.

there's already 4 hour drives going east/west for some. the florida location they're looking at would be another hour south/west.

nice.

It's not the facilities themselves; rather, their approximation to other facilities to which members of the team must regularly travel over a 4-5 week period.

Seriously, I know for the Cubs it's just spring training, but does anyone think being in Seattle is an advantage for the Mariners' travel schedule? Those guys don't like the long trips to go literally anywhere.

These guys are supposed to be getting into peak performance, not taking hours-long bus rides.

Cubs don't even take their regulars to Tempe which is about the same as they'll have to take them to all the games in Florida...

that being said, if Florida's bid was better than Arizona's other than that one fact, I imagine the multi-millionaires can suck it up

Submitted by Rob G. on Sat, 12/05/2009 - 2:23pm.
Cubs don't even take their regulars to Tempe which is about the same as they'll have to take them to all the games in Florida...

that being said, if Florida's bid was better than Arizona's other than that one fact, I imagine the multi-millionaires can suck it up

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ROB G: Spring Training travel distances in Florida are a lot longer than in Arizona, but the weather is also a factor (sunny days are more plentiful in Arizona than in Florida, and so there is less time lost during Spring Training to the weather).

And then there is the matter of travel time for the minor leaguers. To cut costs and wasted travel time, the Cubs now play about 90% of their Minor League Spring Training, Extended Spring Training, and Instructional League games versus the A's, Angels, and Giants, because Fitch Park is only about 15 minutes from Phoenix Papago Park (A's), Tempe Diablo Park (Angels), and Scottsdale Indian School Park (Giants), as well as the new D'backs/Rockies combined facility currently under construction on the Salt River Pima Indian Reservation.

Now if the Ricketts Family is overwhelmed by a substantially better offer from Naples, everything else might get disregarded, but the Gila River Indians (like the Salt River Pima Indians) are loaded with casino money and have large amounts of open land at Wild Horse Pass in close proximity to two freeways (I-10 and SR 202), a Sheraton Hotel, a casino, golf courses, the Rawhide Western Town & steakhouse, a Don Shula steakhouse, and the Firebird Lake NHRA International Raceway.

BTW, wherever it ends up, the Ricketts Plan is supposedly to create a "Wrigley Field Experience" for $pring Training, with a $tadium that looks like a $caled-down ver$ion of Wrigley Field, $urrounding re$taurant$, and maybe an adjacent ba$eball-themed amu$ement park and a partner-hotel.

The Cubs also want to have better security with restricted access to the premises so that bloggers can't snoop around like they do at Fitch, and hire their own ground crew (rather than be at the mercy of City of Mesa Parks Department personnel as is the case now at Fitch and HoHoKam).

The Gila River Indians can probably do all that, but I doubt that the City of Mesa can.

The only negative about locating a site on the Reservation is the pervasive gambling, but I don't know of too many people who gamble on Spring Training, Extended Spring Training, AZL, or Instructs games.

I don't know. Gambling on games that neither side is particularly invested in winning? Sounds like a good idea to me.

Wanna bet?

I am going to beat Big L to the punch... don't you mean Salt River Pima Native Americans?

I am going to beat Big L to the punch... don't you mean Salt River Pima Native Americans?

Pakistani Nationals?

The swinging players like Riot might want to move spring training because there are more young women in Florida. As far as actual baseball reasons, there are none. Plus, Ricketts will screw us out of many of our Arizona Phil reports.

"more young women in Florida"
I suggest you look at the annual Girls of the Pac 10 Playboy edition, every other page are ASU girls.
ASU is about 10 minutes away from Mesa.

Agreed. I don't think anyone who has ever visited Arizona (especially the Phoenix/Scottsdale area) has come away thinking there weren't enough hot girls there. I'd put that area up against anywhere in the country, including LA.

How do you know Theriot is a swinger? Did you bang his wife?

More to the point...did he bang Theriot?

And if Starlin Castro is holding up a Granderson deal.........just a dummmmmmmmmmbbbb GM.

hope for his sake he doesn't struggle in April

at least he won't get in Lou's doghouse

odds that he completely falls off the table next year at 37?

Injury aside, I would think that he's probably pretty likely to continue his slow descend, rather than plummet into worthlessness.

Lou bitched about Hendry bringing in a switch hitter who drove in 9.7% of his RBI opportunities.. He's thinks the fix to that is to bring in a right handed hitter who drove in 10.6%.

That will give us a nice 3,4,5,6,7,8 all right handed hitters if Baker and Soto are playing. The 4-7 guys should have a legitimate shot at 600K's between them.

Maybe Hendry's biggest fault as a GM is that he lets other people be GM.

And that those other people are never us.

I SAID TRADE FOR SWISHER, DAMMIT! WTF ARE YOU DOING?! (Of course, I also wanted to keep Sosa, Patterson, Pie, Murton, etc., etc.)

I wanted to keep Pie too, we were right on that one.

I like to think my understanding of baseball, especially budget constraints, has grown since the Sosa trade. I can semi-justify wanting to keep everyone else. The Sosa trade brought back more value than I initially thought it would. Also, I didn't feel bad about trading Murton for Harden--so I guess I should've said that I wanted to see Murton play more.

We'll see on Pie, but yeah it looks like a poor series of trades right now. Pie's value is rising and, well, we just discarded Heilman.

I still wish Hendry would've traded for Swisher last offseason though. Would've prevented some mistakes and put the team in a much better position to fill holes this year.

YEah....it was an off year for a usually big run producer like Bradley. Oh...he's not?

It was an off-year for both of them when it comes to driving in runs. They were two of the worst RBI guys in all of baseball in 2009.

If you think Bradley's going to drive in 10% or less of the runners on base in front of him in 2010, I'll take that bet.

I would bet that Bradley will end up at..

.290/.375/.460, with 15 Hr's and 70 RBI's, if he can play 120-135 games.

Again....BFD.

What's this about Lou wanting two things and one of them is a nice #3 or #4 starter?

Submitted by Dr. aaron b on Fri, 12/04/2009 - 5:24pm.
We traded Eric Hinkie for the rights to keep Chiasson.

Submitted by Rob G. on Fri, 12/04/2009 - 5:28pm.
intriguing, BR.com/Retrosheet says Hinske for Miguel Cairo, but the timing of it on March 28th indicates keeping Chiasson could have been part of it. They did make some other mistakes as well.

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DR AARON B & ROB G: The Cubs selected Scott Chiasson in the December 2000 Rule 5 Draft, and then after they secured Outright Assignment Waivers on him at the end of Spring Training 2001, they worked out a deal with Oakland where the A's would decline their right under MLB Rule 6 to reclaim Chiasson, in exchange for the Cubs sending Eric Hinske to Oakland. (The Cubs also got Miguel Cairo as part of the deal).

The Cubs then outrighted Chiasson to AAA Iowa (they had to secure Outright Waivers on him before they could make the trade with Oakland), and then the Cubs added him back to the 40-man roster (and brought him up to Chicago) later that season. And then Chiasson blew-out his elbow and had TJS, and was never able to rediscover his pre-TJS put-away slider.

BTW, the Cubs tried to do a similar thing with RHP Tim Lahey a couple of years ago. Lahey was selected from the Twins by Tampa Bay in the 2007 Rule 5 Draft and then was traded by the Rays to the Cubs for cash considerations. Lahey was supposedly the PTBNL in the Craig Monroe deal (but only if the Cubs liked what they saw of him in Spring Training, which they did), but before Lahey could be named as the PTBNL in the Monroe deal, he had to pass through Outright Waivers.

Unfortunately for the Cubs, Lahey was claimed off waivers by the Phillies at the end of Spring Training, and because he opened the 2008 season on an MLB 25-man roster, he could (by rule) no longer be a PTBNL in the Monroe deal. So the Cubs ended up getting OF-1B Doug Deeds as the PTBNL instead. (And Lahey lasted only about a week in Philadelphia before getting re-claimed by Minnesota).

I actually had him going to Seattle. My roommate and I made a list of the free agents and he is pissed that i am 2/3 thus far :P. It was a bullshit pick though haha.

who's just a little scared that at some point the Rays tell JH to go fuck himself on the whole Bradley/Zach Morris thing?

It seems to be draaaaaaggggging on, and supposedly the only thing holding it up is how much the Cubs will pay for Bradley to play in Tampa.

they have to find the proper loot balance so they can get rid of our RF/CF with a .375+ ob% and pop to pay for a 38 year old mike cameron to take a sweet 1-year or normal 2-year deal.

neat.

This pop you speak of Crunch...IS EFFING HILARIOUS!!
Bradley's peripherals always look great..and he ends up playing 60-90 game seasons...getting hurt...getting into altercations with coaches...managers..fans..

Yeah..he's a guy who always scores a lot of runs, and drives them in..except he isn't. It's like playing a reverse russian roulette with Bradley..there's a 27% chance he'll have a solid almost full season. Yippee??

Again, they made a poor choice in signing him. Crying over spilled milk ain't going to help.

yeah, believe it or not the guy can hit doubles and scatter some homers.

sorry, i won't say "pop" from now on unless im talking about adam dunn and ryan howard.

the only "crying" going on is because the cubs want to get rid of a guy they managed like crap because they adopted a big baby and didn't coddle him.

what do the cubs FANS get in exchange? ...to send him away in an attempt to get a lesser hitter. yeah, awesome.

Yeah great...3 time in 11 seasons he's hit some doubles...whoo-hoo!!!....He hit 22 HR's once!! Wheeee!!!!

Let's get him a huuuuge contract ASAP!!!! Your RF should not be a guy struggling to get to 20 HR and 80 RBI. I don't give a damn about what other rates go with it...well...ok, to a point.

My point continues to be, they should never have signed this idiot, and it's time to move on.

enjoy your crack.

Lol...and you enjoy your Milton Bradley Kool-Aid.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/...

no jumbotron in the plans, but you can access info from your iphones, etc...

Starlin Castro or Carlos Marmol holding up a Granderson deal? Geez...

Take em. Zeus is great when he throws strikes, but league hitters have determined that they simply don't have to swing the bat when Marmol takes the mound and Starlin Castro... whatever. Maybe he'll be wonderful in 6 years if everything goes right.

Annoyed.

Granderson is overrated.

So are Marmol and Castro.

So the Cubs trade Marmol and Castro, and another 2 players for Granderson. Who closes?

Talk about putting words in my mouth, sheesh.

Am I the only one who noticed Marmol sucked last year? To me, the chances of him making it through the ASB as the closer are about 40%. We're going to have to answer the 'who closes' question regardless of whether Marmol is traded or not.

Ok...the Tigers have asked for this type of package.
If Marmol pitches like he did last season, yes...closer will be a problem area.

Let me phrase it this way. Marmol is overrated, Castro is overrated...so we trade them along with what's needed to get Granderson. With that done, who would you pick to close?

That's all I'm asking.

Braves might be sweating this out...Cubs interested (Mike Gonzalaz too) doubtful but it says so.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4...
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When general manager Frank Wren offered salary arbitration to Soriano and Mike Gonzalez, the Braves assured themselves of four compensatory draft picks in the event the two relievers signed elsewhere. It's believed that Gonzalez, a Scott Boras client, will decline arbitration and explore free agency.

It's been widely speculated that right-hander Rafael Soriano, who was offered salary arbitration by the Braves this week, will decline the offer and hit the open market as a free agent. But Soriano's agent said Saturday that the pitcher is giving serious consideration to accepting arbitration and returning to Atlanta for a one-year deal.

"It's going to go down to the wire,'' said agent Peter Greenberg. "It's definitely going to be a last-minute decision for us.''

The Yankees, Mets, Cubs, Orioles, Tigers, Red Sox and Astros are among the teams believed to have some interest in Soriano and/or Gonzalez on the open market. But Jose Valverde and Fernando Rodney are among the other closers available, and Greenberg said Soriano will take his time weighing his options.

"We know there's a lot of interest in Rafael, but we still don't have a sense yet whether [salary] arbitration or going on the free market is in his best interests,'' Greenberg said.

I saw that. Could it be a potential Bradley/Derek Lowe swap to solve the needs of 2 teams.

Lowe could slot in 3/4 in the rotation and we could fill Rf cheaply with a Baldelli/Murton type of combo. They should offer 2009 level Bradley production without the other distractions.

I know he's getting old and is definitely overpaid, but I've had a man-crush on Lowe for years

My thinking is that an overpaid DLowe is still better than paying Milton to play elsewhere.

Plus he can fill the Lilly rotation/contract spot in 2011.

Rosenthal on Bradley, but not much is "hot" yet...Would rather have Millwood (over Castillo) but not sure either excites me.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/10357594
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The Rangers remain interested in re-acquiring Milton Bradley, but the Rays continue to be the front-runner for the Cubs outfielder, according to major-league sources.

The Rangers' offer for Bradley could be right-hander Kevin Millwood, who will earn $12 million next season in the final year of his contract. But Bradley's second year would remain an issue, and several industry sources question why the Rangers would give up a starting pitcher for a player with Bradley's history of emotional meltdowns.

Hendry would be better served to forget about trading Bradley and focus on maximizing the little wiggle room he has. What he's likely to do is let this Bradley thing draw out for weeks, while the targets he has in mind with all of his 'Bradley savings' are snatched up.

I have heard a couple mentions that Lou is lobbying for 37 year old Mike Cameron to sign with the Cubs. You would think that the Cubs would not sign Milton's replacement without dealing him. They would loose what little hand they may have. What is a fair market deal for a guy like Cameron.

Surely the Cubs have a well thought out plan. Probably one backed by sabresque numbers, complete with plans B and C if A fails.

I'd expect Cameron is looking at a 2 year $16 million contract, with some sort of option for a third.

I'd hope for 1 plus an option, but I'd be okay with what you have there (although $8m per is a little steep).

For all the age doubters out there, I'd like to submit exhibit A, Raul Ibanez who the Cubs didn't sign last year, and exhibit B, the guy they signed instead.

Who knows what happens in a year, but I've been a Cameron fan for awhile, and I'd love to see him patrolling CF in wrigley

Your exhibit A is a left fielder who hit .232 .326 .448 in the second half of last year.

The market is probably going to play out a lot like last year, where the guys who sign early are going to have leverage and be able to get good contracts. Some will be left out and grab for one-year deals late in the off-season. At this point, I'd expect Cameron, the premier center-fielder now that Figgins seems wrapped up will be one of the luckier ones.

"Your exhibit A is a left fielder who hit .232 .326 .448 in the second half of last year."

As opposed to the RF who hit .243 .379 .381 in the first half?

And who, as much as he supposedly hated Wrigley, hit .296/.407/.485 at home vs. .214/.347/.299 on the road?

And who everybody not named Jim Hendry knew was a complete FUCKTARD before we signed him?

Yeah, we won that one.

you're not helping your case very much there.

Yeah..good thing there's only one half to a season...

Ibanez: .272/.347/.552, 34HR,93 RBI,32@B. 3 3B, 93 runs scored.
TRN's Hero: .257/.378/.397, 12 HR, 40 RBI, 17 2B, 1 3B, 61 runs

At least Ibanez had a good half...

It's like a new Wiscgrad.

We're not talking about 2009, we're talking about 2010 and 2011, now.

Discounting the 15 runs that you would give up in defense by having Soriano or Ibanez play right field - I'll still take Bradley's '10+'11 seasons over Ibanez's.

It's like the same Real Neal; always so certain of his version of the future.

When Bradley signed you were a dick to anyone who disliked it. You said we were all idiots, that "the Cubs staff knows how to keep guys like him on the field," that at $10 million even if he plays half his games, he's still a "bargain" and a "steal." When some suggested Abreu instead of Bradley you said "Hoffpauir would be better" than Abreu and that soon "Abreu is going to make Fukudome look like Barry Bonds circa 1999. The guy is in an irreversible downward trend."

When DeRosa was traded you were happy because he would have been taking at-bats away from Fontenot who "would outhit him." You told us that "counting on 21 HR's in 2009 from DeRosa lies somewhere between unreasonable and delusional on the reality spectrum." Etc. Etc.

Now we see more confident predictions for how well Bradley will do in future years compared to other outfielders, calls to bet on his production levels, along with new assertions about Marmol not being closer by the AS break, etc.

Whatever.

The thing is, I don't think you should be right on everything, none of us are. I just wish that you had some grasp of reality that you can't see the future, and would refrain from being such a dick to people on here when arguing about it.

~Slow clap~

Ahh, welcome back.

"the Cubs staff knows how to keep guys like him on the field" You must have missed it, but this statement was correct.

Sorry that I can't predict Lou's playing tendencies and BABIP for all players in baseball.

But look at all these things you say I was foolish for saying. Didn't Abreu's OPS+ decline in 2009, despite increasing his BABIP by .012? Didn't he play the fewest games he's played in 10 years? Didn't have have 16 fewer XBH's? So Abreu is in decline, just like I said.

So, I predicted that DeRosa wouldn't hit 20 HR's? I was wrong. While he was hitting his 20 HR's he also played 10 fewer games, dropped .045 from his OBP .048 from his SLG, stopped stealing bases effectively and his infield defense continued to decline, as he became less than an average offensive player. The guy lost 20% of his production, just because it wasn't in HR's, you think I was wrong? Now you know why I can confidently use words like 'delusional'. I didn't predict that he would sacrifice power for contact, though, so I'm obviously retarded.

And of course, the funniest statement of your little diatribe "It's like the same Real Neal; always so certain of his version of the future." I said "I'd take a bet": and that in my mind Marmol is going to have trouble keeping the closer roll next year. I didn't say anyone was stupid for not thinking so, or that these predictions are guaranteed to happen.

Marmol's ERA and FIP by year:
1.43 & 2.72
2.67 & 3.62
3.41 & 4.06

He gave 77 free passes in 74 innings last year and his K/9 rate decreased again - despite facing more batters. Why don't you make some predictions for how he's doing next year so I can call you names if they're not 100% right?

You must really be burned up that you didn't get to live in Fascist Germany. How can it be that the people at TCR continue to allow people to express their opinions?

*Edit. Where was I a dick to someone?

Hmm..Abreu still played 152 games. More than MB has ever played. His OBP went up, he drove in 103 runs, scored 96...and stole 30 bases in 38 tries. A very, very slight decline. You're ridiculous here TRN...for 1 year, $5 million he was an absolute steal for the Angels.

DeRosa stopped stealing bases effectively. um...yeah...he went from 6 SB in 2008 to 3 in 2009, with 2 CS. He went 1 for 3 in 2007...that's a moot effing point...he was never a base stealer. was his .250/.319/.433 with 23 HR and 78 RBI better than Fontenot's .236/.301/.377 with 9 HR and 43 RBI?

No way would I offer more than 2 years for Cameron. Granted we need a center fielder that can basically play center left to cover up for the knucklehead that who cannot run back on a baseball, but a guy who is on the verge of 37 to get locked into $16 million. That would make some of the DeRosa lovers out there to cry, considering he is 35 and assuming to field 2-3 year offers at roughly the same price. I am not by any means indicating that DeRosa should be considered, because it would really just be a waste of resources on a fan favorite considering the other issues the Cubs have to solidify. Does anyone else feel that another starter needs to be added to the rotation? With Lilly recovering, one minor setback by any of the current rotation, we could be calling Jeff Fassero out of retirement. I know that the schedule in the begining of the year allows for basically a 4 man rotation, so you possibly could get by until Lilly returns. Really, you are counting on Zambrano staying healthy, Dempster, Wells to repeat last year, and a guy who was in AAA most of last year. Who is the insurance? Jeff Samardzjia?

Rob.... what's cytotec??

Rob.... what's cytotec??
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oddly, it's used to prevent ulcers...inhibiting gastric secretion (also known as misoprostol)

rob...it's ok to delete this with the paired spam)

Yes, delete all this....

Although, I occasionally have gastric secretions....

(without a prescription!?)

Okay, I'm being a smartass because there's no news. Sue me.

Cameron in 2010

There's way too much baseball talk on this pharmaceutical blog. Isn't it time for a new thread on antibiotics?

Yes, but I can root for my beloved Cubbies year in and year out and then get my antidepressants at the same time!!

I go Citalopram. What's your favorite?

fresh air, sunshine, exercise, and eating right.

...and meth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxAYHOWxGi8

YEAH!

-note- i consider this commercial the best use of taxpayer money for any purpose ever in the history of recorded civilization.

I live in Seattle. Those things aren't available here.

Hendry Winter Meetings Primer, including that they're looking to replace Fountainout and the obligatory unsubstantiated Bradley bashing:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball...

Pinhead threatens to return in 2011.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/...

Pittsburgh realizes Ronny Cedeno has concentration issues.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09340/1018552-...

Pirates GM on Cedeno-"You got the sense that he wasn't always locked in."

HAHAHAHAHA!
Understatement of the year.

Jon Heyman at SI says the Cubs aren't getting anywhere near trading Milton Bradley because they only want to chip in for $5 million of his remaining contract.

Rangers would take him off our hands but only will pay $3-4 million for his services leaving a $17-18 burn on the Cubs.

And,

There's another issue regarding Bradley. Said one NL exec, "He just didn't produce (in 2009)."

Enuff already, just keep him Tom. It's not like you're serious about winning next year.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/basebal...

...Will Carroll Tweets this (15 hours ago):

Cubs signing of Mike Cameron is waiting on deal of Milton Bradley, which has been "imminent" for about 72 hours.

Gordon Wittenmyer is reporting that Hendry and Piniella are expected to meet with Cameron's agent during the GM meetings next week. Ironic how they had to clear payroll to add Bradley and basically agreed to a deal with him contingent upon clearing payroll, now they are reportedly doing the same thing with Cameron. Jim Hendry is looking like an impulse shopper. The one thing is clear, he will be relieved of his services if this team does not improve from last year.

A little bit old, but Rodgers on MLB.com or MLB.tv, gives his take on Hardin, Bradley and Zambrano.

http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200909...

Hope that works.

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