Game 131 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (1 of 3)

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SP *Ted Lilly SP Jeff Karstens
  12-7, 4.25, 148 K, 56 W, 161 IP 
2-2, 2.25, 11 K, 8 W, 28 IP
LF Alfonso Soriano CF *Nate McLouth
SS Ryan Theriot 2B Freddy Sanchez
1B Derrek Lee C  #Ryan Doumit
3B Aramis Ramirez 1B *Adam LaRoche
CF *Jim Edmonds RF  Jason Michaels
2B Mark DeRosa LF *Brandon Moss
RF *Kosuke Fukudome 3B Andy LaRoche
C Geovany Soto SS Jack Wilson
P *Ted Lilly P Jeff Karstens


The Cubs open a three-game set at PNC Park, concluding their 9-game stretch against the Reds, Nationals, and Pirates before they resume play against Major League opposition. (Yes, I'm tempting fate: Friday's smug game preview was just a preamble to an ugly 13-5 loss to the Nats, but 30 games over .500, I'm feeling smug all over again.)

Coming off a tough luck defeat in which he held the Reds hitless for the first 5 innings and wound up yielding just 2 hits in 7 IP, Lily has reduced his ERA to a season-low 4.25.The lefty has given the Cubs Quality Starts in 8 of his last 10 turns, and that defeat to Cincinnati was his first after five consecutive W's.

This will mark Lilly's fourth start of the year against the Bucs. He's 1-0, 5.63 in the three previous starts, with a butt-ugly 8.38 ERA in his two outings at PNC.

Karstens, who landed in Pittsburgh as part of the deal that sent Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte to the Yanks, makes his fifth start as a Pirate. In his first, back on 8/1, he blanked the Cubs over six innings. His second time out, he was even better, carrying a perfect game into the eighth inning at Arizona, before eventually closing out a 2-0 complete game win. His last two starts have been much more ordinary—16 hits and 7 ER in 13 IP—and more like what you'd expect from a guy who has fanned just 11 men (and walked 8) in 28 innings.

The Cubs have won 11 of the 15 meetings between the two clubs this year, including 4 of the 6 played in Pittsburgh. 

Lastly, on Sunday, Mark DeRosa became the first Cub since Fred McGriff (2001) to homer in four consecutive games. If DeRo connects tonight, he'll join Sosa ('98) and Sandberg ('89) as the only Cubs since 1956 to go long in five straight.


  Sandberg (1989)
Sosa (1998)
McGriff (2001)
DeRosa (2008)
Patsy #1  
Andy McGaffigan  Livan Hernandez Jim Brower Josh Fogg
Patsy #2
Dennis Martinez Jim Parque Wil. Rodriguez John Lannan
Patsy #3
Bryn Smith Carlos Castillo Shane Reynolds     Garrett Mock
Patsy #4
O'Neal/Mulholland*    James Baldwin       Tim Redding Jay Bergmann       
Patsy #5
Larry McWilliams LaTroy Hawkins  ???

*Sandberg homered twice against the Phillies on 8/10/89 and eventually wound up with 6 HR in 5 games. What a stud.



fwiw, Lieber set to make 2 rehab starts with Peoria this week.

since the ted lilly fan club is missing iwill
give it a shot

6and two thirds 3 earned runs 1 unearned
no decision and the game will go extra innings

The Flying LaRoche Brothers!

/drumroll followed by circus music

I made the mistake of tuning in to ESPN1000 over the internet. OMG, Mac, Jurko & Harry are annoying. I sometimes forget important facts like that in my quest for a Cubs fix.

DeRo interview in a few minutes, if I can hold out that long...

DeRo on his recent homer prowess: " be honest, I've been guessing right a lot"



EDIT: And then over to WGN, just in time to hear Ronnie and Gerald Perry laugh about Ted Lilly's prowess with the bat. Priceless.

I was never such a huge fan to begin with, but my MJ&H Are Dead To Me moment came a few weeks ago. Mac was claiming, unconvincingly, to be pro-Cub-success, as follows: "No, no, I'm glad the Cubs are doing well, and I hope they get to the World Series, so they can get swept."

Dead. To. Me.

when we have DeRo having a .373 1.219 7HR 22RBI August.

I ask you, ....rhetorically.

Dammit Lee! Stop getting hits!

Maybe because the Cubs are 16-6 in August with Lee batting #3.

DeRosa is on a hot streak. That's great. But he had an awful July, and is not a #3 hitter. If Lou simply adjusted his order everyday to go with the hot hand, it would be a disaster.

Don't fix something that ain't broke.

I wouldn't have brought it up if it weren't broke.
Lee is clearly not 100% and hasn't been for a while now.

DLee since the All-Star break .234 .304 .331 .635

But like I said, it was a rhetorical question. DLee
bats third because DLee bats third.

Since August 5th Lee is hitting .300 - .382 - .400 - .782 with hits in 12 of 16 games. He basically had a bad 2-3 week stretch from July 18th-August 4th. You don't move a guy in the order because of that. It's a mararthon not a sprint.

by Edmonds....

didn't help that he gawked at it for awhile.

so it would've been an inside the parker if he didn't stop to gawk??

Edmonds didn't gawk, he watched it for a split second. It's been a long time since he had a hit. Triple all the way.

To me it looked more like he was starting to coast for the stand-up double, but then the ball caromed away from the center fielder and he thougt "Oh, shit! Now I've gotta hustle to third." He definitely wasn't going 4, but maybe he could have gotten 3 a little more smoothly.

He gawked at it when he first hit, about a quarter to half way down the first base line before he realized it wasn't going out. Then put on the "afterburners" when he saw it bounce away from McLouth to get the triple. Not that big a deal...just the same shit he did with the Cardinals but no one cares because he's a Cub now.

Aramis sure repaid the five Pirates fans in the crowd for their boos.

Did Theriot come out because he was hurt, or is Lou just resting guys with a big lead?

Lou's resting the regular guys and getting the bench guys some time in the game.

The team could use a few more like that during September to keep rested for the playoffs.

Whatever Lou told Fuk through the translator, it's working tonight. 3-4, a double, sacrifice fly and 4 RBI.

I am loving watching Fukudome look so sharp. Even with his recent struggles, he's still one of my favorite players on this team. Keep it up whirlybird!

5-2 in the doormat (Cincy, WAS, PIT) stretch. 7-2 would be very nice.
Pitching matchup sure looks favorable tomorrow. Hope Z can get it together.

From Cubs Mail Bag!!

Didnt Zambrano do this a few years back?

Who was the last switch-hitter for the Cubs to hit a home run from both sides of the plate in the same inning? I say it was Mark Bellhorn, but a buddy of mine says no Cubs switch-hitter has ever done that. A free dinner rides on the answer.
-- Charlie P., New Johnsonville, Tenn.

On Aug. 29, 2002, Bellhorn homered from both sides of the plate for the Cubs in Milwaukee in the fourth inning. Enjoy your meal.

Shit!!! it says same inning.

My bad

Nice win today.

Edmonds and Fukudome looking sharp. I sure wouldn't want to face our lineup on a day when we're firing on all cylinders.

There's not a starter that I don't think can contribute offensively on any given day. I sure hope Fukudome can put it back together again. We're on track to have six starters finish the year with over 20 HRs and all 8 starting position players have over .340 OBP. Add our terrifying trio of starting pitchers, Lily as our #4, and Wood, Marmol, Samardzija, Marshall, and (maybe) Lieber out of the pen. Hot damn. I think this team's got a real shot at it!

Nothing like pounding the 90 pound weakling in the division with your #4 starter going 7 strong to make things look rosy.

It's the dude's first year in the big leagues. He's not used to playing more than 140 games/year. He's allowed to slump, imo.

Well he started slumping well before game #140. I bet he has a newfound respect for Ichiro, right about now.

Suntimes article about the bottom third of the Cubs order:

As impressive as DeRosa's and Soto's numbers are, consider this: The Cubs' No. 7 spot in the order was hitting a major-league best .310 with 20 homers and 83 RBI (entering play Monday).

No. 8: .293 with 11 and 64.

And perhaps most impressive of all: The pitchers' spot, No. 9, was hitting better (.227-8-52) than four American League teams -- Kansas City (.226), the Los Angeles Angels (.226), Baltimore (.225) and Oakland (.218).

this tidbit in the S-T:

The Class AAA Iowa Cubs are back in the playoffs for the first time in four years, and one small ramification at the big-league level is that a few anticipated September roster additions might stay with Iowa through its playoff series.

The exceptions: Pitchers Jon Lieber (foot) and Angel Guzman (elbow) are expected to be activated from the DL when rosters expand, and lefty hitter Micah Hoffpauir, who's having a monster season, is expected to join the big club right away.

So Hill, DuBois, Pie, Hart and Wuertz stick with AAA until the playoffs are over? No biggie. The Hoff is the main guy I want to see up anyway. He's got a shot at replacing Ward next year. Hill looks like a candidate to take Hank White's job when he goes off and becomes a starting catcher for a non-contender.

I don't really "get" the AAA playoffs. What's at stake, really? Why would an organization hold anyone back from helping out the big league team in order to perform better in the AAA playoffs? Or is it more that a few players who might get a few big league innings as a "reward" for their AAA performance will just have to wait 'til next year?

I don't think anything's really at stake except pride. These guys play for a team all year, and even though the main goal is to prepare for the big leagues, they're still competitive athletes who want to win. It would be weird if there were no playoffs. I mean, there's nothing at stake in my rec league softball playoffs, but I still try like hell to win.

Part of it is reward for battling the entire year and playing well. Part of it is experience in a playoff atmosphere and winning a championship. While it is not the same as it is at the Major League Level, having your minor leaguers know what it takes to win is important. Getting your teams more swings and pitches against the best competition in pressure situations can't hurt at all.

Also, the first round best of 5 series starts on September 3rd. So depending on how that goes, the potentially call-ups might only be called up a few days later than normal. If they make it to the next round the best of 7 starts on the 9th. So even if they go all the way they could still be up for 2 weeks instead of 4 with the Cubs.

And if they really thought they'd help out the big league team they will get called up regardless of the playoffs - like Hoffpauer will.

Thanks, guys.

The Sept callups don't play anyway or barely at that. Wouldn't you rather play for a AAA championship and get your cuts in then sit on the bench for an extra week or possibly two? The same players will still get called up.

Anyone else think Hoffpauer is AAAA player rather than the next big thing?

They are talking him up big time on Chicago radio.

Don't forget Jason DuBois had a similar monster-type season at AAA, and he was 2 years younger than Hoff when he did it. I'm not dogging Hoffpauir, he is a legit ML PH/IB/LF guy, he is Ross Gload revisited. There is nothing wrong with having a cheap Ross Gload on the roster.

A batting average of .368 is not the same as .314.

Soto hit .355 last season. He's lost 75 points of BA in the majors, but he could afford it. So can Hoffpauir. Where would a 75 point drop leave Dubois?

Pie hits .280-.285 in AAA, and drops 50 or 60 on the train to Chicago. I'm not so sure we'll see him in September. What's the point? He's not even the right callup if you just want someone to steal bases.

A batting average of .368 is not the same as .314.

Really? I thought they were the exact same!

Of course... you also ignore the fact that Hoffpauir currently has a .365 BABIP in AAA. That is not sustainable.

I'm not so sure we'll see him in September.

Wanna' put money on it?

What's the point? He's not even the right callup if you just want someone to steal bases.

Well... being that he is probably the best defensive outfielder in the Cubs system, and better than anyone on the active roster, base running wouldn't be all he is good for.

And stealing bases is not the only aspect of base running.

anybody else hoping for a cardinal sweep this week

Yes, go Cardinals!

~throws up in mouth~

We have to root for the Cardinals. The Brewers' schedule is much, much easier than the Cubs' from here on out. I like being in first, but five games is just not that much.


--these two games are the last time the Cardinals and the Brewers play each other this year

--the Cubs will play a total of 5 more games against below .500 teams this year

--the Cubs play over a third of their remaining games against Milwaukee and St. Louis

--while the Cubs have had a great August so far (16-5), the Brewers have kept pace (17-6)

Here's the rest of the schedule as of today:


31 games left (18 away, 13 home)

2 @ PITT, 4 PHI, 3 HOU, 3 @ CIN, 3 @ STL, 3 @ HOU, 3 MIL, 3 STL, 4 @ NY, 3 @ MIL

Games against above .500 teams (26):

4 PHI, 3 HOU, 3 @ STL, 3 @ HOU, 3 MIL, 3 STL, 4 @ NY, 3 @ MIL

Games against below .500 teams (5):

2 @ PITT, 3 @ CIN


31 games left (15 away, 16 home)

2 @ STL, 3 @ PITT, 3 NY, 4 SD, 3 CIN, 4 @ PHI, 3 @ CUBS, 3 @ CIN, 3 PITT, 3 CUBS

Games against above .500 teams (15):

2 @ STL, 3 NY, 4 @ PHI, 3 @ CUBS, 3 CUBS

Games against below .500 teams (16):

3 @ PITT, 4 SD, 3 CIN, 3 @ CIN, 3 PITT


30 games left (15 away, 15 home)

2 MIL, 3 @ HOU, 3 @ ARI, 3 FLA, 3 CUBS, 3 @ PITT, 3 @ CIN, 3 @ CUBS, 4 ARI, 3 CIN

Games against above .500 teams (21):

2 MIL, 3 @ HOU, 3 @ ARI, 3 FLA, 3 CUBS, 3 @ CUBS, 4 ARI

Games against below .500 teams (9):

3 @ PITT, 3 @ CIN, 3 CIN

Makes me wish we had about a 12 game lead right now.

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  • has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?”

    crunch 19 min 28 sec ago view
  • I agree -- I think if you are a soft-tosser, you need a track record before you are taken seriously. If Kyle posts sub-3.00 ERA consistently and wins 15+ games a few times (and pitches more innings), he may have a shot at the award in a few years. Hopefully, he gets in the top 5 this year -- would be deserved and a nice boost for his confidence.

    billybucks 44 min 11 sec ago view
  • It's also possible that the Cubs have no intention of recalling Spencer Patton. Perhaps Maddon has seen enough of him, and Patton will eventually be one of the players cut to make room for others who will be added to the 40 in September.

    Arizona Phil 46 min 1 sec ago view
  • I doesn't know what your talking about.

    Sonicwind75 50 min 35 sec ago view
  • Maybe it's to get him some game action. He's only pitched for the Cubs once in the last 10 days. I don't really care much about him going down since he's sucked when up here.

    I really want Rivero to be called up.

    chitownmvp01 55 min 43 sec ago view
  • CHITOWNMVP01: It is indeed odd that the Cubs did not just wait one more day to recall LaStella.

    As far as Spencer Patton is concerned...

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 4 min ago view
  • Why didn't they wait until tomorrow to call up TLS? Don't they have to wait 10 days to bring Patton back up now?

    chitownmvp01 1 hour 25 min ago view
  • Cubs assigned to Mesa Solar Sox (AFL):

    Victor Caratini, C
    James Farris, RHRP
    Ian Happ, 2B-OF
    Eloy Jimenez, OF
    Ryan McNeil, RHRP
    Steve Perakslis, RHRP
    Duane Underwood Jr, RHSP

    Brian Lawrence, Pitching Coach

    Jimenez, Happ, Caratini and Underwood are among the Cubs Top 10 Prospects, and playing in the AFL should help speed their development.

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 58 min ago view
  • Outstanding.

    Jackstraw 2 hours 11 min ago view
  • So presuming he remains on the MLB Active List for the balance of the MLB regular season, Tommy LaStella will be at 2+102 MLB Service Time at the end of the season, far short of what he would have needed to accrue to have a chance at "Super Two" status post-2016. (Even if he had remained on the MLB Active List for the entire season and finished at 2+124 MLB Service Time, he still would have only been "on the bubble" for possible "Super Two" status post-2016).

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 47 min ago view
  • I don't know about the defensive part of the equation, the fact all the Cubs pitchers are so ahead of their FIP makes me think it's a lot more defense than anything special Hendricks is doing.

    Rob G. 2 hours 51 min ago view
  • Thanks, jacos! I love a good Alice Cooper group performance video -- especially when it corresponds with a shrinking, division-clinching magic number!

    JoePepitone 2 hours 51 min ago view
  • TLS up and playing second today. Spencer Patton to Iowa to make room.

    Rob Richardson 3 hours 25 min ago view
  • Yeah that article describes what I said in my other post about WAR. BR WAR is fine as a snapshot but FG is a better predictor of future performance.

    I also get what you mean by FIP being independent of luck but my point is all the soft contact Hendricks gives up negates a lot of that luck and defense aspect. In other words I believe he could pitch in front of any defense and have similar #s because for the most part he isn't giving up the screaming liners or hard hit liners to the gap.

    johann 3 hours 29 min ago view
  • Down on the farm:

    "Dealin'" Cease with another good outing for Eugene. Last 4 outings: 16IP, 1ER 29K. But, 10BB. Throw strikes, kid.

    Candelario is killing it at Iowa after struggling at AA: .320/.406/.941 in 241AB. At age 22. Where the heck to put him next year?

    billybucks 4 hours 32 min ago view
  • SF now only 1 game ahead of the Cards for home field in the WC game.

    billybucks 4 hours 42 min ago view