Cubs Turn Tables on Angels at Diablo Park

Bobby Wagner lined a two-out RBI single to right to drive-in the tying run in the top of the 7th, and then Arismendy Alcantara and Vismeldy Bieneme stroked consecutive RBI singles in the top of the 8th to give the Cubs a two-run lead, as the EXST Cubs defeated the EXST Angels 3-1 in Cactus League Extended Spring Training action at Diablo Park Field #3 at the Tempe Buttes this morning.


LHP John Mincone tossed 3.1 IP of shutout ball (throwing just 39 pitches in the process), allowing two baserunners (both singles). Over his past six outings (covering 18.2 IP), Mincone has allowed four runs (three earned) on 11 hits and two walks, with 12 strikeouts, a 1.45 ERA, 0.70 WHIP, and .169 OBA.


RHP Rogelio Carmona worked out of a bases-loaded jam (of his own making) in the bottom of the 9th to preserve the victory.


Here is today’s abridged box score (Cubs players only):


LINEUP:
1. Vismeldy Bieneme, 2B: 2-3 (1B, BB, 6-3, 1B, RBI)
2. Alvaro Ramirez, CF: 0-3 (3-U SH, K, P-4, 5-3 GIDP)
3. Jesus Morelli, RF: 1-3 (3-U, 1B, HBP, K, R, SB)
4. Xavier Batista, DH #1: 0-4 (K, 4-3 GIDP, K, K)
5. Bobby Wagner, DH #2: 2-4 (K, K, 1B, 1B, RBI)
6. Runey Davis, LF: 1-4 (5-3, K, 4-3, 2B)
7. George Matheus, 3B: 1-3 (F-8, 1B, F-9)
8. Albert Hernandez, 1B: 1-3 (3-1, K, 1B, R)
9a. Carlos Romero, C: 0-2 (F-9, 1-3)
9b. Luis Flores, C: 1-1 (1B, R)
10a. Wes Darvill, SS: 0-2 (F-8, 1-3)
10b. Arismendy Alcantara, PH-SS: 1-1 (1B, RBI)


PITCHERS:
1. Marcus Hatley – 1.1 IP, 2 H, 1 R (1 ER), 0 BB, 2 K, 2 HBP, 0/1 GO/FO, 31 pitches (17 strikes)
2. John Mincone – 3.2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K, 1 GIDP, 5/4 GO/FO, 39 pitches (25 strikes)
3. Jose Rosario - 2.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K, 1 GIDP, 3/2 GO/FO, 29 pitches (18 strikes)
4. Jesse Ginley - 1.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 0 K, 1/1 GO/FO, 14 pitches (6 strikes)
5. Rogelio Carmona - 1.0 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 1 K, 0/2 GO/FO, 21 pitches (11 strikes)


ERRORS: 2
1. CF Alvaro Ramirez E-8 (dropped line drive in CF allowing batter to reach base safely – did not score)
2. SS Wes Darvill E-6 (throwing error allowed batter to reach base safely – did not score


CATCHERS DEFENSE:
Luis Flores: 1-1 CS


BASERUNNING MISADVENTURES: Runey Davis was thrown out 9-4-5 trying to stretch a double into a triple with two outs in the top of the 9th, so that what would have been the Cubs 4th run did not count because Davis was thrown out at 3rd base before baserunner Bobby Wagner crossed home plate.


ATTENDANCE: 2


WEATHER: Sunny and cloudless with temperatures in the 80’s

Comments

AZ Phil - Do you see anything in Wes Darvill? Blair Springfield too. Any hope for these guys?

Submitted by QuietMan on Thu, 05/20/2010 - 4:20pm.
AZ Phil - Do you see anything in Wes Darvill? Blair Springfield too. Any hope for these guys?

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QUIET MAN: Wes Darvill turned 18 post-2009 and is still very raw, but he has good plate discipline and he runs OK. I doubt that he can stay at SS, though, because he has a below-average arm. His hitting needs a LOT of work. He seems like more of a long-shot than what you would want in a 5th round pick.

I don't know what the Cubs saw in Blair Springfield to make him a 7th round pick. He has below-average speed, a below-average arm, and is a defensive liability no matter where he plays (and he still has not found a permanent position). He shows good power in BP, but he's overmatched in games. Other than the HR potential (and it's strictly potential), there is not much there.

If I were running the show, I would not draft HS position players, at least below the 1st or 2nd round. They are just too much of a crap shoot for what it costs out of the bonus budget to buy them out of their college scholarships. The Cubs should just stick to college position players. (I would be less-concerned about drafting a HS pitcher).

BTW, the Angels had a AA rehab RHP named Ismael Carmona (who I believe is Rogelio Carmona's brother or cousin) throwing in today's game, and he was gassing it up there at 98 MPH with a killer slider. He completely handcuffed the Cubs hitters for two innings. He has really mediocre minor league career numbers, and he's probably kind of raw, but he might be somebody a pitching-starved club might consider selecting in next December's Rule 5 Draft, if the Angels don't add him to their 40-man roster before that.

Hey Phil.

Curious why you would be more willing to draft HS pitchers than position players. Is it just because you can't know much about a guy as a hitter until he faces more developed competition, or is there more to it than that?

Submitted by Charlie on Thu, 05/20/2010 - 9:22pm.
Hey Phil.

Curious why you would be more willing to draft HS pitchers than position players. Is it just because you can't know much about a guy as a hitter until he faces more developed competition, or is there more to it than that?

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CHARLIE: In the case of HS position players, there is just way too much projection involved in the evaluation process. The extra three years of experience that college players have makes all the difference in the world. That doesn't mean that any player drafted is a sure thing, but there isn't as much projection involved with college players, because there is more history available against more-standardized competition, more-complete medical history, and a 21-year old college player is much further along the road to physical maturity than is a 17 or 18 year old HS kid, so you are more sure of what you're getting. And as I said, the money required to pay HS kids over-slot money to get them to give up their college scholarship is just not worth the cost or the risk.

In the 2007 and 2008 drafts Tim Wilken drafted only five HS position players combined out of 100 players selected over the two years (3B Josh Vitters in the 1st round, 3rd round talent 3B Victor Sanchez in the 25th round as a fall-back in case they couldn't sign Vitters, and local Chicago kid OF Carlos Rivera in the 48th in 2007, and Matt Cerda in the 4th round and Logan Watkins in the 22nd in 2008), and signed three (Vitters and Cerda, plus Watkins for "3rd round money"), and that's probably the way to go (although picking Cerda in the 4th round in 2008 was a reach, based on Oneri Fleita having personally worked-out Cerda as a catcher pre-draft and firmly believing that Cerda could be a pro catcher).

Wilken changed his approach last year, selecting nine HS position players and signing three (Wes Darvill, Blair Springfield, and Sergio Burruel), and that was just too many HS position player picks and too high of a slot spent on Darvill and Springfield.

It wouldn't bother me one bit if the Cubs drafted ALL college position players (preferably 21-year old third year college players), although I would consider a HS position player IF the player is a legitimate 1st or 2nd round talent where there is a realistic expectation that the player will sign. I also like JC pitchers a lot more than JC position players, again because you are not as sure what you're getting with JC position players, mainly because the competition in JC ball is kind of suspect.

Also Nate Samson in 2006. Samson is doing well at AA and is putting together a Theriot-like minor-league career, although he is overshadowed by other middle-infield prospects.

Two 2006 position-playing high-schoolers who have fallen by the wayside are Andersen and Rundle. (Hatley was drafted as a pitcher.)

Cerda's BA at Peoria has fallen lately but look at the RBI, the OBP and the game-winning hits--including last night's. He looks like he'll be viable for a while.

Honestly, I don't see the problem with drafting HS position players if you get Vitters, Watkins, Cerda and Samson in eight rolls of the dice.

Thanks for explaining, Phil! I appreciate the edumication.

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  • "trout's one of the best, and at this point should probably win over donaldson (and should have more MVPs in the past, too), but the defensive aspect of valuing WAR still needs more tweaking...imo."

    that's from my 1st post. there's no suck involved in that. maybe with a few less posts about bullshit that would have jumped out more.

    crunch 7 sec ago view
  • crunch - you do know that, taking defense out of the equation, Trout has led the AL in wRC+ each of those years, right?

    And, if you want to complain about position adjustment (which would be serious #crunchsplaining), he's been in the top 3 in the AL in WC (not park/league/position adjusted). And the only players ahead of him (if there were any players ahead of him) in any of those years have been DHs or 1B that play lousy defense.

    But sure - Trout sucks (or at least isn't as good as WAR says). Because it factors in defense and position.

    big_lowitzki 47 min 43 sec ago view
  • early tim tebow stuff rolling in...

    ran a 6.7 60yd (above average)...shagging flies in RF and showed off a rather impressive arm a few times, but average-at best on most of his throws...hit a few over the fence (both fields), fouled or weak contact a few...he's got a touch of power

    it'll be interesting to see who bites on this project, if anyone. he probably projected himself out of RF and into LF/1st because of his arm, but unless he can make that power work on a steady basis it'll be hard for him to play himself up anyone's system.

    crunch 1 hour 32 min ago view
  • LHP Clayton Richard (released by the Cubs earlier this month) is pitching very well as a starting pitcher for the San Diego Padres and could be a good candidate to get traded to a contender looking for a veteran SP before tomorrow night's post-season roster eligibility deadline.

    Because they released him, the Cubs are paying most of Richard's 2016 salary (the Cubs are on the hooks for $2M, minus the pro-rated portion of the MLB minimum salary that is paid by the Padres).

    Arizona Phil 3 hours 19 min ago view
  • it is honestly awesome (for real) that anyone would even have a strong opinion on AZL playoffs. i guess if you invest enough time watching it, you want to see a fair/just playoff structure.

    plus, the kids deserve it.

    crunch 3 hours 20 min ago view
  • The AZL team with the best record over the course of the full 2016 AZL season and the only AZL team to play .600 ball (the AZL Dodgers) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, and the AZL East Division team with the best record over the course of the full season (the AZL Athletics) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, either. 

    That's because of the ridiculous "split season" schedule most of the minor leagues now play, a stupid system that rewards mediocrity at the expense of the worthy. 

    Arizona Phil 3 hours 27 min ago view
  • Despite good movement on his fastball, I think location kept him from getting Ks. Left some pitches up and away that got hammered up and away. Then of course Travis Wood gave up the 2-run double in the 7th, but both runs counted against Arrieta.

    Charlie 4 hours 3 min ago view
  • "i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date."

    This level of discourse is #charming.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 4 hours 4 min ago view
  • I would be having this discussion with anyone who (a) blathered on ad nauseum about the topic. (See, "Olt, Mike, not given an opportunity") or (b) responded directly to what I posted (which you did).

    Have a nice day.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 4 hours 6 min ago view
  • what would you do without me? aside from having your posting content here cut by 75%+?

    i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date.

    crunch 4 hours 10 min ago view
  • In this instance, yes, I care more about the result of this big thing that isn't really a big thing.

    #crunchsplaining

    #willlistentojeffsullivanmorethanyou

    #blessyourheart

    #hitler

    #tcrmartyr

    #billyhamiltonwar

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 4 hours 10 min ago view
  • Two things:

    Fangraphs WAR #s include baserunning and Hamilton is elite at that. He leads in SBs with the 54 and and has an 87% rate which is really good. I'm sure once he gets on base he's able to take the extra base quite often too. Both those things will up his overall WAR value.

    The differences between BR and FG WAR is pretty well documented online and thus If there are discrepancies it's fairly easy to figure out why. It's fairly well accepted that BR WAR is fine as a snapshot but FG is better at predicting future value.

    johann 4 hours 14 min ago view
  • i have no doubt at all you quit reading at that point. you're very enamored with outcomes without caring what it takes to get there.

    the fact it's exploitable, especially without someone to cover the running game for him, as well it's evolution in how people are testing possible exploits is interesting to some people...to me...i'm some people...hurrah.

    some people want to check the boxscore to see who won, some want to know how it went down.

    crunch 4 hours 27 min ago view
  • I read it as him saying it's not really that much of a concern and that the one time it really cost Lester, vs. K.C., was an anomaly.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 4 hours 32 min ago view
  • if jeff says it, it's cool...when i say it, it's straight from the mouth of hitler.

    aside from the lack of jeff touching on the insane leads runners take and lester's inability to throw if he's fielding, this is a lot of what i've said about the issue.

    exploitable, needs his own personal catcher to control his shortcomings, relies on his ability to get outs along with his personal catcher keeping runners in check before things become further exploited...

    crunch 4 hours 35 min ago view
  • That would be Rice Krispy Treat

    The E-Man 5 hours 53 min ago view