Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)

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SP Jason Marquis SP *Zach Duke
  8-7, 4.76, 71 K, 52 BB, 134.1 IP
4-12, 5.29, 72 K, 42 BB, 151.1 IP
       
LF Alfonso Soriano RF *Nyjer Morgan
SS Ryan Theriot SS Jack Wilson
1B Derrek Lee CF *Nate McLouth
3B Aramis Ramirez 1B *Adam LaRoche
CF Reed Johnson LF *Brandon Moss
RF Mark DeRosa 2B Freddy Sanchez
2B Ronny Cedeno 3B Andy LaRoche
C Henry Blanco C Raul Chavez
P *Jason Marquis P *Zach Duke

 

The Cubs go for the sweep, and once again I am reminded that I don't know how to add Rob's broom graphic to the game results box at the top of the right-hand column. I'll make you a deal, Jason Marquis: you win the game, and I'll work on the broom.

As they try for their 13th victory in their last 14 road games and their 14th win in 18 games against the Pirates this season, the Cubs will go with their all-righty starting eight, including Henry Blanco in place of Geovany Soto behind the plate.

I hope Hank got the memo about our catchers being required to contribute at least 7 RBI per game. 

 This Month

Pitcher GS
W-L
IP
H
ERA
AVG. GAME SCORE
Jason Marquis 4 2-1  23  24 5.09 46
Carlos Zambrano 5 1-1  26.2  31 7.43 39

Comments

It's a "travel day" lineup today, clearly. Good for Soto to have the day off, but why DeRo - and in that case, not why DLee?

AZ Phil, can you add your thoughts about the AZ Fall League selections and why the Cubs chose to target these individuals for that coveted assignment?

PonDerosa for MVP is playing in right. DLee had a day off Monday (or Sunday?) and his backup bats left handed.

Oops, my bad. I guess I'm CB Buckner-blind.

It's a "travel day" lineup today, clearly.

Or just the lineup against LHP, with Soto getting the day off in a day game after a night game.

Alfonso Soriano, Oh no!
Ryan Theriot no go
Derrek Lee's not studly
Aramis Ramirez who says?
Reed Johnson is pondscum
Mark DeRosa where's Sosa?
Ronny Cedeno is no volcano
Hank White has no fight
Jason Marquis pitches BP

This poem sucks.

This lineup sucks!

Seriously, why Johnson at #5 and DeRosa at #6?

That's a trick Lou learned from Ned Yost. You set the lineup by defensive position, not by offensive aptitude.

the ability to bitch about a lineup that scores more than anybody else in the league by a far margin is amazing..

Reed and DeRosa have about the same OPS against lefties this year... 

You must be new here. Welcome!

Don't limit the amazing bitching to just the lineup. :)

what happened on the Derrek Lee out in the first? Yahoo has Soriano on third and a groundout to SS. Did the Pirates have the infield in?

Lee go to SS drawn in infield.

Soriano needs to get his head out of his ass. Another error in the first where he took his eye off of the ball and then picked-off trying to steal second just now - out by 10 feet.

in defense of Soriano, the nightlife in Pittsburgh is legendary

Can we get Lee out of the 3rd hole already?!?

Man on 3rd less than 2 out, Ground Out to SS (We need a flyball)

Man on 2nd No out, Ground Out to the left side, instead of the right side!!

At this point we need start playing the hot hands.

Ram 3rd
Derosa 4th
Lee 5th
Edmonds 6th
Soto 7th

Anyone else agree?

navigator does....

Ronny Cedeno should have hit a flyball there....

suicide squeeze by Blanco?

Yeah, bad bunt that worked out well. Popped up down the first base line but no one caught it and it didn't roll foul.

Who is pitching? I thought that Marquis was supposed to be in the mound. It looks like him, but maybe it is his doppleganger?

2nd doppleganger mention I heard today (Rob G wants a RH version of Hoffpaiur), and I am reading a book where one plays a signficant role. Sort of weird.

Yep, despite the well pitched game by Marquis -still dislike him. He is exceptionally average, but as Rob G. and others have repeatedly pointed out he is a solid #5. Maybe it's his personality/public comments (with a healthy dose of above-market contract)?

I remember him being offended by questions re Marshall taking his spot in the rotation, not referring to his pitching (which was equal to Marshall in ST), but suggesting he'd take a trade before he'd move to the bullpen. Now seems to be annoyed (and not motivated) by Lou's skipping him "to give him rest."

All-in-all comes off (to me at least) like he's entitled to his position, regardless of his performance. Or, it cd just be me.

I guess I shd just accept the (temporary)appearance of his doppleganger with a beer and a "Holy Cow."

Nice that the Cubs had their stopper going today!

I soooo love it when the Cubs win an early game. You gotta think that demoralizes MKE a bit when they look at the scoreboard.

I thnk STL was demoralized a bit last night when they looked at their scoreboard and saw 12-0.

3 days in a row for Kerry -- looks like he saved his best for when it mattered the most.

I, for one, will miss the Pirates, particularly the version without Bay and Nady.

It has got to suck to be a kid who likes baseball and lives in Pittsburgh.

yeah, kinda like the way it sucked when I grew up in chicago. ;)

Hey, but you had the Bears.....ah, never mind.

Yeah, but the Blackhaw... wait.

Except that Chicago is a huge market, with the wherewithall to field a winner -- we simply had to hope that the owners, front office and scouts would get their heads out of their assesmake good decisions and eventually get the right talent on the field.

Pittsburgh? I don't know man. It's a proud baseball city, but it's really hard to see a light at the end of that tunnel.

My heart goes out to the fans of that team. They're living the kind of hell Cubs fans lived for years, and they have less reason to hope for better.

True.
But if Milwaukee and Minneapolis can do it, I have to think that Pittsburgh could too. Its just a question of ownership I guess.

btw, it seemed that the Pirates routinely whupped the Cubs in the 70s and 80s, and I believe took a couple WSs too.

So all those poor Pirate fans can get in line behind me!

And then you see they may not have signed their top draft pick:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3556133

New cast, same story?

Updating Cubnut's numbers after the game:

This Month:

Pitcher: GS | W-L | IP | H | ERA | AVG. GAME SCORE

Jason Marquis: 5 | 3-1 | 30 | 29 | 3.90 | 50

Carlos Zambrano: 5 | 1-1 | 26.2 | 31 | 7.43 | 39

Props to Jason, concern for Carlos.

Cubs have now won 13 of their last 14 road games.

"Holy Cow!" or "Hey! Hey!" or some such thing.

Well, Cubs can go 2-27 and match last years division championship performance.

Something leads me to believe it will take more than 85 to win the division this year.

If Cubs go 8-21, Cards and Phils would need to go 18-11 to tie.
I like the Cubs chances of making the playoffs this year.

FWIW, as of this morning (pre-game) in their "play the rest of the season a million times simulation", BP had the Cubs at a 99.46249% chance of making the playoffs, 88.42067% of winning the division.

yup, I basically check out those playoff odds every day through the year. Obviously, I check out the ESPN ones to.

Yeah, if the Cubs don't make the playoffs, it will be a complete disaster. However, I believe the Mets were up above 99% last year and...while I'm not sure anyone tracked it, I'm sure the Angels were in 1995 (or whenever that was) when they had a 12 game lead over the Mariners in Mid August only to blow it and lose the tie-breaker game to Randy Johnson.

I'm old enough to remember when the Pirates were perenially near or at the top of the National League - teams that had Manny Sanguillen, Willie Stargell, Clemente and so many others. If they had proper management at the top, they could be very competitive. But Dave Littlefield wasn't the right guy, and did some damage for which they'll need some time to recover.

They were even good as recently as the Killer B's years, but it seems like the finances of the game have evolved now to the point where it will be difficult to build a strong core of players there again.

No doubt that Littlefield made things worse than they had to be. Fortunately, the Cubs were able to benefit from some of his blundering.

The Killer B's were the Astros, weren't they?

Not sure if they brought enough high impact guys in in this years deals, but yeah, better than Littlefield did. You can only hope he and Dusty can hook up down the line to form a dynamic duo of crappy management somewhere in the NL Central.

I assume he meant Bonds and Bonilla, but yeah, most people associate it with the Bagwell, Biggio, Bell, Berkman Astros.

Yeah, Pittsburgh had the original Killer B's (as far as I know) in the early 90's. Bonds, Bonilla, Bream, Bell... Belliard & Backman, too, although their killer quotient is questionable. All those guys, plus Andy Van Slyke and Jeff King. Pretty solid team.

the finances were good enough to get them a new stadium. You can't use financial hardships as an excuse for 15+ years though.

Btw, wasn't Littlefield hired by the Cubs as a scout or something? 

here it is...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=mlb&id...

I assume Hendry was tired losing at poker every week against the rest of the Cubs staff and needed someone around he could beat.

Unless I'm mistaken, the financing of PNC park by the public was engineered over their objections, which had been expressed through the rejection of a public referendum. Again perhaps mistaken, but the same true for Heinz field I believe.
Thus the understandable public disgust at the continued "unwillingness of Pirates ownership to field a winning ballclub" as if it is ever this formulaically simple.

As an adopted Pittsburgher now for eight years, IMHO the disillusionment with the team has reached a "steady state" and you're looking at the continuing model for "how to make a neat profit from MLB profit sharing" which isn't likely to change any time soon. The owners know they put a stinker on the field, but can now count on a finite but steady amount of ticket sales due to promotions and an increasing proportion of fans who turn out to see the OTHER TEAM. [Last night was no exception- easily majority vocal Cubs fans, even Santo commented on it today during the broadcast.] Add in the MLB cash to the predictable amount of red ink, and they're in the black to an extent they're apparently happy with?

When the season ticket sales and attendance continue to slide (as they have since the 2006 ASG) then ownership's response: this ain't coming out of our pockets, we're going "youth" and letting big payroll go.

Regardless of payroll, if you have a losing record for 16 straight years, your front office is just awful. If you're drafting in the top 5 every single year, you should eventually get some impact players. And then if you can't pay them, you trade them for more young, impact players. That's where the Pirates have continually fucked up.

Trading a young, 36-homer 100 RBI Aramis for Bobby Freakin Hill is the perfect example, and I'm sure there have been plenty more I'm not aware of. Did they even get anyone decent for Bay? I'm sure in the next year or two they'll trade away McClouth for some shit too.

Btw, wasn't Littlefield hired by the Cubs as a scout or something?
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Rob, you hit that one out of the park!

Right now, as I type, there is a round of golf going on with Ed Lynch, Grady Little, Dave Littlefield and Hendry is fleecing ALL those bobo's out of their milk money.

two littles and a lynch...as Jack Brickhouse would say...whooooboy!

it's an honorary position I'm told, and they do have to wear Cub Scout uniforms for their golf outings.

http://www.scoutstuff.org/BSASupply/ItemDetail.asp...

I heard that McClatchy eventually resorted to having a block put on Littlefield's phone to prevent Hendry's calls from getting through.

;-)

that would be the greatest golf 4-some to ever watch...

parachat for the screwers/fartinals anyone?

personally i ike b. moss who came over in bay deal

alos whenever i here sister sledge

WE ARE FAMILY

i think of the 79 pirates stargell parker hebner
moreno sanguillen and so on

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  • Sure, no marks and some inconsistencies in the witness's statements. But firing your gun into garage wall immediately after an argument and punching out your car window is still threatening and out of control behavior. There was certainly enough for MLB to think it warranted a 30-game suspension.

    Charlie 3 min 16 sec ago view
  • I'd prefer they be flexible with the closing situation depending on matchups. You're not really adding a lefty reliever if you use him strictly as a closer.

    Charlie 3 min 48 sec ago view
  • Stockpiling young talent isn't only for trading for someone like Chapman though. Even with an elite closer winning the World Series is basically a crap shoot so the key is to get to the playoffs as much as possible and not just mortgage everything on one year. Once you get there an elite bullpen certainly helps but the playoffs can be won by one hitter or starting pitcher getting hot (Murphy, Molina, Baumgardner) and a closer might not be able to stop that.

    johann 28 min 7 sec ago view
  • I'm also not crazy about press convictions. As the police report noted, there were no marks on the lady in question. There's a TMZ link (of course) to her police pictures, as well.

    I think the only way this trade goes real bad is if Cubbery intervenes and Chapman is suddenly bad for some reason.

    Old and Blue 31 min 28 sec ago view
  • I am right there with you closing in on 60.

    I don't care that much about "mortgaging" one player who is not only blocked by two guys, but is not ready to hit the majors for at least a couple years.

    There is no reason why this team, this year, can't have a real shot at something NONE of us have experienced.

    Further, I don't feel that even if they fall short that they have ruined their farm system.

    I have made my opinion clear here, with others, Warren was shit on the Cubs save one spot start.

    The E-Man 2 hours 1 min ago view
  • Trading for Warren, Warren sucking, getting Warren back for Chapman plus 3 prospects, sounds like Revenge of The Yankees on the former Boston executive. Old rivalries never die.

    I pray to the heavens above Chapman doesn't suck for some reason, or he'll be booed out of town faster than a Todd Hundley revival meeting.

    Old and Blue 2 hours 8 min ago view
  • I'm kind of nostalgic for the Schwarber-for-Miller rumors.

    Brick 2 hours 20 min ago view
  • This offseason, after some ridiculous playoff run and Chapman saving every game from here until the end of the postseason striking out 27/9innings, I welcome anyone to quote this thread and call me a dummy: I hate this trade, and my hate is 2 parts Chapman makes this team less likeable and 1 part that's a ridiculous overpay for 30 regular season innings and, at tops, 10 postseason innings. Already hoping they don't extend him.

    Charlie 2 hours 22 min ago view
  • btw...Thanks AZ Phil. I'm really enjoying your take on this trade.

    Cubster 2 hours 44 min ago view
  • I'm a bit disappointed on the Warren experience. Essentially they gave Castro away for crickets (OK, well they signed Zobrist with the Castro salary dump). Otherwise one might look at it as Chapman for Castro and our #1 minors prospect (Torres) + McKinney/Crawford. Seems pricey for a 2 month rental. We will see if this price tag is that steep in a relative way based on the remaining deadline deals for relievers.

    Cubster 2 hours 45 min ago view
  • Yep. One of the great things about this team (in addition to being really good at baseball) was the "likable" factor. Feels a bit different now. Who knows...maybe Chapman will be the king of the dance parties.

    billybucks 2 hours 53 min ago view
  • Here are some possible corresponding minor league moves we might see in the aftermath  of the Chapman trade: 

    SOUTH BEND to MYRTLE BEACH: OF Donnie Dewees and INF Bryant Flete  

    EUGENE to SOUTH BEND: OF Robert Garcia and INF Vimael Machin 

    There is really no reason to replace Billy McKinney at Tennessee because both Chris Coghlan and Jorge Soler are doing their rehab at Tennessee.  

    And there are plenty of pitchers at Iowa. No need to replace Warren at AAA. .  

    Arizona Phil 3 hours 14 min ago view
  • I am 70 years old. The Cubs last played in the World Series in 1945. I was born in 1946. I hate to lose a prospect like Torres, but when the opportunity is there to get that World Series ring, you go for it. This was the idea in stock piling all this young talent. I would like to see Reddick added now and the Cubbies should be done.

    Hagsag 3 hours 44 min ago view
  • I would expect Richard to accept an optional assignment because based on how he's played this season, there is a decent chance that he won't find work elsewhere. Rather stay and potentially get a ring. Same goes for Coghlan since he's struggled mightily this year.

    Edwards should not go down. He's pitched very well and Maddon is very impressed with him. I would expect Grimm to go down for Cahill so he can get back on track (he's pitched better in July, but he's not getting enough appearances).

    chitownmvp01 3 hours 48 min ago view
  • chitownmvp01: Indeed Clayton Richard would seem to be odd man out once Chapman reports, but Richard might accept a minor league assignment if he is promised a return to Chicago on 9/1 when MLB Active List rosters expand (Richard has minor league ioptions left).

    Arizona Phil 3 hours 51 min ago view
  • The only player in the deal that would cause me a second thought is Gleyber Torres.

    McKinney and Crawford are decent prospects but both are redundant/replaceable in the system and Warren was really only a middle-reliever or #6 starter, so to me it's really just Torres for Chapman.

    Arizona Phil 4 hours 11 min ago view