Brewers Beat Cubs and Suddenly, Ron Santo Seems Quite Articulate

Things have gotten so bad with the Cubs that Ron Santo's heavy sighs and plaintive wails and exclamations of "C'mon!" and "No!" actually capture precisely the way I now feel while listening to or watching the action.

Tuesday night the Cubs fell to a season-worst 15 games under .500, losing their seventh in a row, 4-3, to the Brewers. (Lest we forget, the Brewers had lost five in a row before this series began.)

Thomas Diamond, the starting and losing pitcher for the Cubs, was making his first Major League start and wound up tying Mark Prior's franchise record for strikeouts by a pitcher making his Cub debut with 10. Diamond also managed to keep the Cub bullpen on the sidelines until the 7th inning, throwing 122 pitches in the process, which was the highest pitch count by a player making his first MLB appearance since 2001.

The Cub offense provided the usual mix of flat-out failure—1-for-11 with RISP—and comic ineptitude. The game essentially ended right after Starlin Castro drove in Mike Fontenot with the Cubs' third run in the final inning. Castro slipped while trying to stretch his single into a double and was thrown out in a rundown between first and second. Derrek Lee then fanned for the final out. 

Aside from dropping seven games in a row, the Cubs have now gone 49 innings without even having a lead.

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Comments

Submitted by Cubster
on Tue, 08/03/2010 - 11:41pm

"Castro slipped while trying to stretch his single into a double and was thrown out in a rundown between first and second."

RS: Jeeez.

Submitted by Cubnut
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 6:57am

There aren't many points on the continuum past "Jeeez." We may reach "Goddammit!" by the end of the week.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 12:26am

I haven't been paying that close attention, but wasn't Wellman saying Diamond had been on a pretty strict pitch count his last few outings?

so wtf if that's true?

Submitted by Old and Blue
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 12:45am

They were saving his arm for this critical series against our hated rival, the Brewers.

Submitted by Paul Noce
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 3:18am

64 pitches for Diamond in his final Iowa start...

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/4446

Submitted by navigator
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 3:33am

one more time, Diamond threw 6 innings and 92 pitches on the 24th

Submitted by Mike Wellman
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 8:11am

in 21 starts @ iowa diamond barely averaged 5 innings per...

Submitted by Rob G.
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 9:14am

innings don't matter as much to me as his pitch count, hopefully he gets an extra day of rest or limited to 100 next time.

Submitted by Cubnut
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 6:59am

From Muskat last night on Twitter:

Thomas Diamond pitch count high at Triple-A Iowa was 115 on July 19 vs Oklahoma City. He had 101 after 5 IPs

Submitted by navigator
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 3:35am

Ted Lilly tossed a gem. Retired 20 in a row.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 9:13am

he will love Dodger Stadium at night, that's for sure.

Submitted by Mike Wellman
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 8:44am

over 21 starts @ iowa diamond averaged 88 pitches w/ 4 in excess of 100...on 7/11 he threw 42; in next start on 7/19 he threw his minor league season high of 115...

Submitted by Mike Wellman
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 9:08am

lilly is a pro...

Submitted by Cubster
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 10:44am

Maybe they will call Diamond up to Iowa, I hear they are in a pennant race, whatever that is.

Submitted by Rob Richardson
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 12:24pm

"Carlos Zambrano will return to the Chicago Cubs' starting rotation on Monday against the San Francisco Giants, manager Lou Piniella said on Wednesday."

...

"I've been in this game for nine years," Zambrano said. "For seven years, I've been doing a good job and the last few years unfortuiantely I haven't. But it's not [too] late. It's not [too] late. We still have two months to go to try to finish over .500."

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/st...

Submitted by WISCGRAD
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 12:50pm

So that's the new goal? Finish over .500?

Does he know they would need to go 35-20 the rest of the way to make that happen? When is the last time the Cubs have played .636 ball for a two-month stretch?

Submitted by The Joe
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 1:32pm

Sadly, I like his attitude, but, damn it, I don't want them to win games. I give less than a shit about pride, I want a draft pick. I'm a Cub fan, I have no pride.

Submitted by Jumbo
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 11:28am

The night of the fight you're going to feel a sting. That's pride fucking with you. Fuck pride.

Submitted by Dr. aaron b
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 12:27pm

Marsellus Wallace'd

Submitted by MikeC
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 1:17pm

Ohh geez dude he has a goal of wanting to help the team win more games. What would you like him to say to be more Politically Correct for you? He kinda did that when he yelled out Lee. The team is playing like horseshit and we haven't got a shot in hell of doing anything? So i am just gonna play half-ass baseball because no one gives a fuck anymore?

For a 140 million they should sack up and try and play for some fucking pride. But with sleepy Lee, and dopey Ramirez the Cubs will be stuck in "I don't give a fuck" mode for awhile.

Remember we tried to add a little fire to the clubhouse in adding Bradley because our two-current team leaders are about as boring and lifeless as the baseball they currently play.

I am just saying the old blood of the Clubhouse is the shrug your shoulders type of guys who say, "Ohh well we will get them tomorrow," as they hop in their limo.

Submitted by Cubster
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 1:23pm

I'm thinkin' the new team slogan for the next two months should be:

EVERY LOSS HELPS

Submitted by The Real Neal
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 1:44pm

Not only do they get us a better pick, but hopefully they'll get our pick protected in case we decided to go after Dunn in the off-season.

Submitted by Charlie
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 2:06pm

I think it should be individualized for each player and their role on the team--go even smaller scale:

Every hit batter helps.
Every missed cutoff man helps.
Every GDP helps.
Etc.

Submitted by navigator
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 2:26pm

DPLee=MVP

Submitted by billybucks
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 2:49pm

Jeff Baker 2010 vs. Aaron Miles 2009.

Discuss.

Submitted by Tony S.
on Fri, 08/06/2010 - 8:15pm

Ooooo, I like. Miles did suck worse tho

Submitted by Rob G.
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 2:57pm

Sunrise.
Cubs lose.
Sunset.

Submitted by Rob Richardson
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 3:03pm

That's not fair, you are ignoring the days off.

Submitted by Rob G.
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 3:05pm

and sometimes they lose after sunset...you can actually mix it up a bit.

Sunrise.
Cubs lose.
Sunset.

Sunrise
Sunset.
Cubs lose.

Sunrise.
Cubs prepare to lose the next day.
Sunset.

Submitted by Cubster
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 3:05pm

Sunrise.
Cubs lose.
Sunset.
---
Zero
Cubs run production
Mostel

Achoo
Haiku
Gesundheit

Submitted by big_lowitzki
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 3:13pm

For some positive news...

- Soto is a damn good hitter, with a higher OBP and SLUG than any qualifying catcher, though Soto doesn't qualify. With unqualified folks, he has a higher OPS than everyone but Posey.

- Castro and Colvin are looking more and more legit every day.

- The Cubs just scored some runs.

By the way... do people still really think that the Cubs are not better off with Castro at SS rather than Theriot?

Submitted by Rob G.
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 3:20pm

clearly inspired by my mocking them

Submitted by The E-Man
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 3:23pm

"By the way... do people still really think that the Cubs are not better off with Castro at SS rather than Theriot?"

Who thought that?

Submitted by big_lowitzki
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 3:25pm

There was more than one comment about how Castro didn't make the team better, and at best it would be a wash between Castro and Theriot.

Submitted by The E-Man
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 5:03pm

I had not seen that.

Can you rat him out?

Submitted by The Joe
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 10:21am

I think it was crunch:)

Submitted by WISCGRAD
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 11:06am

It was crunch, but in the end he was basically correct. His main point was not that Castro wouldn't be better than Theriot, but that the upgrade - offensively and defensively - from Theriot-Fontenot to Castro-Theriot would not significantly improve the team's performance. And the Cubs have not played better since the call-up and have probably played worse. They went from what 7 games under .500 then to 15 or so now? I believe he said the Cubs were trying to fix what wasn't broken - namely ignoring the 3-4 hitters, the real problem.

Submitted by Jumbo
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 11:31am

You should change your handle to "new crunch"

Submitted by Dr. aaron b
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 12:28pm

Captain

Submitted by The Joe
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 1:37pm

He's got a little crunch in him.

Submitted by WISCGRAD
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 6:50pm

Soon I will start saying that managers don't matter...

Submitted by crunch
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 7:25pm

sounds about right...or we can pay one $7m...for that price they'll have to be good!

Submitted by Old and Blue
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 8:38am

I don't remember seeing the comment about Castro either but maybe some clown jumped to conclusions when he struggled in June. I remember early on it seemed like he wasn't hitting anything at all to left field, outs or not, and now, after his own adjustment maybe, he is. I dunno about everyone else but I like this kid a lot. I'm even positive right now about DeWitt, who, if he was just coming up from the minors, I'd say is can't miss just based on what little I've seen. Nice swing, good instincts in the field. He's 24 and appeared in just a little more than a season's worth of MLB games, and of course was a first rounder. So I'm really interested to see how he does from here on out.

Submitted by Dusty Baylor
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 9:26am

Yep...there were more than a few comments on that....

Submitted by The Real Neal
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 9:32am

You can go back and check. There were a few of the regulars. I am surprised that he's hit as well as he has (numbers look particuarlily good after yesterday's big game). At this point, it doesn't take a lot of effort to say he's the favorite for the RoY, with Heyward (hype) and Posey (hot streak) being his main competition.

Submitted by Old and Blue
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 10:15am

curious to know why you're surprised. He's always looked pretty good up there and doesn't flail much at bad stuff. When he was struggling he seemed to going to the opposite field on everything, including inside stuff, easily correctable. If we could get some damn steroids back into baseball, he may even start hitting for some power soon.

Submitted by big_lowitzki
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 10:36am

Does Castro get more votes than Colvin? And do they split the vote?

You have to also figure that Strasburg is going to get a significant number of votes.

Submitted by The Real Neal
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 12:25pm

I don't think Strasburg will get any votes, at least not at this point. If you go by BP's VORP:

Rank Player VORP
1 Jaime Garcia 28.8
2 Buster Posey 23.8
3 Starlin Castro 22.8
4 Jonny Venters 20.9
5 Gaby Sanchez 19.7
6 Chris Johnson 18.1
7 Stephen Strasburg 18.1
8 Mike Leake 17.6
9 Jonathon Niese 15.7
10 Jason Heyward 15.4
11 Jon Jay 14.2
12 Neil Walker 13.5
13 Tyler Colvin 13

Hard to argue greatly with that, at this point. I see Posey and Garcia coming down the rest of the way, and health permitting Straburg and Heyward moving up. I don't see any way for Colvin to even get third place votes, unless his BA goes way up or he starts driving in runs.

Submitted by big_lowitzki
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 12:38pm

While I agree that Colvin (or Strasburg) shouldn't get votes, that doesn't mean that they won't.

The voters don't go by VORP - they often go by things like home runs (Colvin) and hype (Strasburg).

I would be surprised if Strasburg doesn't finish in the top 3, especially with a few more starts under his belt.

Submitted by The Real Neal
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 12:56pm

Keep in mind who won the award last year, the voting is goofy, but they're rarely swayed by hype. Playing time is a big part of it. I can't remember they gave it to a player who played just half a season.

Submitted by WISCGRAD
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 2:25pm

Ryan Howard played just 88 games in 2005 and won, Raul Mondesi played 112, Bob Hamelin 101 games - so it happens. Castro will probably end up at around 110 games played.

Posey will be behind that in games so I doubt he gets much consideration. Jay, Johnson, and Walker won't have even close to enough. Venters, as a middle reliever, probably won't get much consideration either. I can't see Niese getting any more than a stray one or two votes. Leake will get a few back-end votes because of his W-L, but he hasn't really impressed that much.

Strasburg will get some votes just because of this dominance, but with only 9 starts, many voters will shy away and he won't likely get many first place votes. But he will get a couple just because voters are stupid like that.

Haywerd figures to finish with a low average, but 15-20 homers, and 75-80 runs and RBI. Colvin's average will be about the same, and he will have more HR (20-25?), but probably 15 fewer runs and RBI. Sanchez will have similar runs and RBI to Heyward, and a much higher average, but fewer homers than either Heyward or Colvin. When compared to those three, Castro will have the highest average and will get credit for defense, but falls well short on HR, RBI, and Runs, and doesn't have any stolen bases to make up for it.

Garcia will finish with 12-15 wins and a solid ERA and I think gets a lot of consideration.

In two months a lot can happen, but I see something like:

1. Heyward
2. Garcia
3. Sanchez
4. Strasburg
5. Colvin
6. Castro
Others with a few votes - Posey, Leake, etc. mainly from the writers who cover those teams.

Submitted by The Real Neal
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 2:58pm

Competition plays a role in it as well, and there's going to be a lot of guys this year. I assume when Howard won no one else finished third in the league in hitting over 110 starts. It's probably the best crop of rookies to hit the bigs, maybe ever, but at least as far back as I can remember.

Heyward, Garcia, Posey and Leake are going to get a bit of a boost from playing for contending teams, and Sanchez probably takes a hit because the Marlins and Chris Coughlin aren't very good this year.

Submitted by Tito
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 3:12pm

I think Posey will finish higher than Colvin if he keeps hitting.

Submitted by The Real Neal
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 3:21pm

Well, if he keeps hitting like this, he's gonna finish higher than everyone. Just how much regression he goes through will determine his chances. I doubt Castro's triple slash line finishes quite this good, but I could see Colvin improving on his BA and OBP a little.

Submitted by navigator
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 1:13pm

Consider that if Castro continues to bat at the top of the order he's going to qualify for the batting title. And right now his .318 BA ties him for third in the NL.

Submitted by WISCGRAD
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 2:26pm

No way. Castro would have to play every single game for the rest of the way and average about 4.7 plate appearances a game to qualify. It won't happen.

Submitted by big_lowitzki
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 3:15pm

No idea where the 4.7 PAs/game comes from.

Castro has 305 PAs, and needs 502 to qualify.

The Cubs still have 55 games remaining, which would mean he would need to average 3.6 PAs a game from here on out. That is definitely doable. Derrek Lee has averaged 4.2 PAs per Cubs game this year. And there is no reason to think that Castro won't play almost every game.

Submitted by navigator
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 5:40pm

Yep. And Castro's already averaging 4 PA's/game with the Cubs this year.

Submitted by WISCGRAD
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 6:46pm

You guys are right, my fault. Not sure how, but I screwed that math up in my head pretty badly. Trying to do too many things at once it seems.

Submitted by garsky
on Fri, 08/06/2010 - 9:23am

Hey, not your fault, you went to Wisconsin, after all.

(from an Illinois grad)

Submitted by WISCGRAD
on Fri, 08/06/2010 - 10:05am

I am actually going to be defending and finishing grad school sometime in the next couple of months, at which point this handle will become a bit of a relic, but I suppose after 5 years or so, it's my identity around here.

Submitted by Jumbo
on Fri, 08/06/2010 - 11:33am

rename yourself Manny Trillo
And then don't be a whiny bitch like the old one
Love you, Manny, wherever you are
And Chad, too
And John Hill

Submitted by The Joe
on Fri, 08/06/2010 - 1:05pm

But not you, Trans.

Submitted by crunch
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 2:28pm

more july, less june.

Submitted by big_lowitzki
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 3:44pm

LaTroy Hawkins just got ejected for hitting Soriano. His argument is pretty legit: "You think I have that kind of control? If I tried to him, I wouldn't be able to."

Submitted by Paul Noce
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 4:12pm

great game, what the hell is going on with the formatting of this website?

Submitted by Rob G.
on Wed, 08/04/2010 - 11:47pm

Don't know what's going on, something got messed up with the theme although I can't think of anything that changed.

Working on it.

Submitted by Old and Blue
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 7:46am

Looks like you've been Drupalized.

Submitted by Jumbo
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 11:33am

Hot drupal'd

Submitted by crunch
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 12:46am

i'd just like to throw this into the technical difficulties pile...

http://blog.stevienova.com/wp-content/uploads...

go simpsons go...

Submitted by Rob G.
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 9:42am

net neutrality about to disappear

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/05/technology/...

our president before being elected promising it never would

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-mW1qccn8k

Good times.

not to start a political argument because you could do that with any president over lots of topics through history, but this particular case could very well affect TCR down the road.

Submitted by Old and Blue
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 10:46am

It's complicated.

from the article:

"The F.C.C., meanwhile, favors a level playing field, but it cannot impose one as long as its authority over broadband is in legal doubt. It has proposed a solution that would reclassify broadband Internet service under the Communications Act from its current designation as an “information service,” a lightly regulated designation, to a “telecommunications service,” a category that, like telephone service, is subject to stricter regulation."

Submitted by navigator
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 11:49am

Oh goodie. Faster porn.

Submitted by jacos
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 12:23pm

just as long as they don't take my guns!

Submitted by Rob Richardson
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 2:01pm

"Google has dismissed reports that the company is in talks with US telecoms operator Verizon that could bring an end to net neutrality."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/aug...

Submitted by Tito
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 10:31am

I know this is nothing new, but man there were so many drunken, loud idiots (rooting for both teams) at the game yesterday. Was hoping for a nice, relaxing day at the park and it turned into quite the opposite.

I can't even believe they kept serving the guy behind me.

Submitted by jacos
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 12:21pm

I was thirsty

Submitted by Paul Noce
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 12:43pm

lol

Submitted by The Real Neal
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 12:28pm

Don't get too bothered by it. This happens at every arena in the country, probably one out of three times you go. Just bad luck.

Submitted by Mike Wellman
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 3:03pm

just because it's become commonplace doesn't make it less bothersome

Submitted by Paul Noce
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 4:53pm

I remember a game at Wrigley as a kid, Stargell's Pirates were in town, late 70's. Some guy is wearing a Pirates jersey and the fans heckled him the whole game. Of course the Pirates were a good team then, and they were kicking our asses. Finally some drunk fan got up and got into a fistfight with the Pirates fan late in the game. I just remember thinking that I didn't like hearing the Pirates fan cheer for his team all day, but he had just as much of a right to be there as we did.

Submitted by JoePepitone
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 10:33am

I met Paula Faris!
I met Paula Faris!

Squee!

(Sorry about that, guys.)

Submitted by Paul Noce
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 11:47am

Is she as pretty as she looks on TV?

Submitted by JoePepitone
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 12:56pm

Prettier. And a very cool personality. And very sharp -- she knows her stuff really well. She talks with that "sports is my life" kind of knowledge and excitement about the subject. I'd be in love except she's married with two kids. (sigh)

Anyway, it was great getting to meet her and talk to her for a bit.

Submitted by Paul Noce
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 4:49pm

Did you give her my number? :)

Submitted by JoePepitone
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 6:29pm

Yup! 867-5309, right?

Submitted by The E-Man
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 9:14pm

Funny you mention that:

On 100 One Hit Wonders, Tommy Two Tone (wrote that rock classic) is now a "computer programmer".

He didn't quit his day gig.

Submitted by springs
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 10:53am

Did not see the game, only the box score, where he looked as good as I would expect from someone just getting called up again and knowing this may be a chance to impress for next year (i.e. not great control, quality start and lots of Ks due to good stuff and adrenalin).

Did he look as good as the line? Or are there things that are not seen in the box score (like lots of hard hit balls right at people that were outs or most of the hits being bloopers that fell in the right spot, for example).

Thank you for any insight.

Submitted by The Real Neal
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 12:28pm

His fastball was really disapointing to me. Looked a lot like Kevin Hart part2 to me.

Submitted by Paul Noce
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 12:43pm

Yeah, the fastball was around 90, didn't look anything special. He did look much more like a big league pitcher than Casey Coleman. Maybe Diamond sticks as a middle reliever.

Submitted by Dusty Baylor
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 12:49pm

So he struck out 10 players with an average fastball? Slider? Anyone?

Submitted by The Real Neal
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 2:07pm

Essentially, yes. He got a few calls, and the Brewers strike out about 8 times per game as it is. The Cubs relievers struck out 7 in three innings yesterday, just mopping up.

Submitted by JoePepitone
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 4:07pm

Diamond's FB ranged mostly from 88-90 mph (per Gameday), twice touching as high as 92.

Submitted by Dr. aaron b
on Fri, 08/06/2010 - 9:33am

I wonder if he'd pick up some velocity in the Pen?

Submitted by big_lowitzki
on Fri, 08/06/2010 - 10:12am

Or if he could only throw to Koyie Hill.

Submitted by navigator
on Fri, 08/06/2010 - 12:35pm

Those were cutters.

I'm no expert but he's the first pitcher I've noticed whose cutter has more velocity than his straight fastball.

Submitted by crunch
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 3:15pm

castro's hitting well, but...well...there's june vs. july...he's going to swing.

he's also trying to turn everything that's a marginal double into a double...i guess his youth comes in handy there because he's not been snagged being stupid on the basepaths too much.

the major thing that bothers me is 17 of his 21 walks are in the 8 slot (96 of 277ab). he's going to put pretty much everything in play unless there's a pitcher hitting behind him it seems. so far having dlee behind him is working out, but he's picked up "only" 2 walks in 116ab.

...and yeah, i should use PAs, not ABs, but we can get the gist of it.

Submitted by crunch
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 3:49pm

rick sanchez (CNN) has spent the last 3 minutes ranting about how no one gives a flying f**k about arod and his 600HR...good commentary, sharp and to the point.

he put MLB (the whole organization) #1 on his piece "The List You Don't Want to Be On." he blamed MLB pretty sharply for allowing a game so closely tied to numbers to enter a lost era that effects the numbers.

Submitted by billybucks
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 3:54pm

Probably nuts, but....Soto at 1B next year?

Gets his bat in the lineup more frequently, where he could become a 25 HR guy, and improves D at the catcher position.

1B is the only "hole" in next year's lineup.

Submitted by The Joe
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 4:05pm

I think AZ Philbo suggested this too. Soto at 1B and backup at C.

Submitted by big_lowitzki
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 4:05pm

Moving Soto to 1b only creates a hole at C, which is even more difficult to fill.

Submitted by The Real Neal
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 6:31pm

We could fill it with Neifi Perez, like we did when Lee went down in 2006?

Submitted by crunch
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 6:45pm

neifi perez at 1st what?

john mabry and phil nevin...nevin took a while...and it was all for "whatever" anyway

Submitted by JoePepitone
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 6:32pm

Some advocates of this approach would tout promoting Wellington Castillo (AAA) or Robinson Chirinos (AA) to the big league club -- at least in September for a look-see.

Submitted by rokfish
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 8:10pm

So it would be about yesterday when Lou and Jim had a talk with D.Lee and told him you are only going
to start at first about half the games left because we want to look at options for first for 2011.

Would they be forward thinking to let someone besides Nady or Lee play first.

Maybe they learned from not playing Theriot at second in the spring.

Submitted by jacos
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 9:43pm

Hendry is freshin up his resume, lou is looking at brochures about condos at del boca vista.

I'm sure the 2011 first base situation is the top of their lists.

Submitted by crunch
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 8:20pm

ha...chad tracy is a marlin. he's in their dugout and supposedly available.

Submitted by John Beasley
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 10:14pm

Jayson Stark: Red Sox tried to acquire Sean Marshall.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?c...

Submitted by John Beasley
on Thu, 08/05/2010 - 10:48pm

Kerry Wood: "In Chicago, the 100 years of living and dying with losses does matter. You can be out there going great for five or six innings. Then you walk two guys and give up a base hit, and right away you hear the moaning. The groans. You tell yourself to shut it out. But you hear it because it's coming at you from 40,000 people."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/new...

Submitted by The Real Neal
on Fri, 08/06/2010 - 6:26am

Suspend him! How could he question the greatest fans in the world? What a piece of shit, Wood is. Good riddance.

Submitted by jacos
on Fri, 08/06/2010 - 7:11am

Well it was game 7 of the nlcs.
You're in for a shock when the yankee fans start swearing and throwing bags of urine at you when you have a bad game.

Submitted by The Real Neal
on Fri, 08/06/2010 - 8:37am

He gave up runs early in game 7 of the NLCS.

Submitted by Rob Richardson
on Fri, 08/06/2010 - 8:48am

Actually Kerry I believe it wasn't the 100 years of lossing that caused the moaning and groaning. It was your history of pitching well and then having an inning where you could find the plate.

Submitted by The E-Man
on Fri, 08/06/2010 - 9:43am

The "Edit" button is your friend ROB RICHARDSON.

Submitted by Rob Richardson
on Fri, 08/06/2010 - 9:47am

Proof reading would help too.

Submitted by Jumbo
on Fri, 08/06/2010 - 11:36am

How do I get to a new post? Is there a new post?

Submitted by The Real Neal
on Fri, 08/06/2010 - 11:42am

They've said that they're making no new posts until Lee isn't slotted #3 in the lineup. Should be some time around Feb 24th of 2011.

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