Quade Manager, Sandberg Bench Coach

Will Carroll tweets that Mike Quade will get the manager job for 2011 with Ryne Sandberg being promoted to bench coach.

In related news, I've registered firequade.com.

In future news, calls for Mike Quade to be fired will start around game 5 of next season.

UPDATE: If it wasn't obvious enough from "Will Carroll tweets", this was the beginning stages of a rumor. One in which Carroll then backed off when a guy "who's very WIRED into the Cubs" told him he was wrong, "especially on the timing" (the original tweet said it could be announced as soon as next week). Wittenmyer tweets, "don't believe every tweet you read".

I could not begin to tell you with any type of certainty who is right or wrong or what will happen, but I would say an examination of recent history would lead to the conclusion that Mike Quade is Hendry's choice. If that means anything in the end, I guess we'll find out. Hendry could have very easily gave Sandberg (or Trammell) the interim job after Piniella quit, but chose Quade. Then Quade went and done good, got the backing of the players, all of which most likely justified Hendry's decision in his mind. Whether the Ricketts pull rank on Hendry and insist on Sandberg to create some buzz and sell ticket plans, remains to be seen.

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Bobby Scales, Blake Parker outrighted to Triple A btw

FREE BOBBY SCALES

Submitted by crunch on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 3:54pm.
FREE BOBBY SCALES

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CRUNCH: The Cubs like Bobby Scales a lot, and he could be in line to get a minor league coaching or managing gig or scouting position in the Cubs organization when he retires.

yeah, im just being stupid anyway.

bobby does seem to be well respected by his peers...even ones he's taking playing time from in the minors by sticking around trying to "make it."

shame he's not a better defender.

that would be a good move; scales is worth keeping around in some capacity...

Submitted by Rob G. on Thu, 10/14/2010 - 3:31pm.
Bobby Scales, Blake Parker outrighted to Triple A btw

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ROB G: Because he has been outrighted previously in his career, Bobby Scales can opt for free-agency immediately as an Article XX-B minor league FA (Mike Parisi is the other one). He doesn't have to wait until after the World Series like players eligible to be a Rule 55 minor league FA (6YFA) do.

Blake Parker is not eligible to be an Article XX-B minor league FA or Rule 55 minor league FA, so he will be remaining with in the Cubs organization next season (and he might even get an NRI to ST), unless he gets selected in the December 2010 Rule 5 Draft (which won't happen because if any club was interested enough in him to select him in the Rule 5 Draft, they would have just claimed him off waivers). Parker is not eligible to be a Rule 55 minor league FA until after the 2012 season, unless he gets added back to an MLB 40-man roster in the meantime.

I just hope you get around to building your new Web site quicker than the guy who bought www.firepiniella.com.

Hasn't Sandberg said on multiple occassions that he didnt want to be a bench, hitting or 3rd base coach for a MLB team and that being a AAA manager was better for preparing to be a big league skipper than a MLB assistant?

...then he spent his summers riding on a bus for 3 years. heh...

maybe they pulled a Don Mattingly promise this time that the gig is his in a certain number of years. Doesn't sound like he was a serious manager candidate anywhere else anyway.

Quade is only 2 years older (53 v. 51) than Sandberg, so if Hendry made that sort of promise to Sandberg isn't Hendry assuming that Quade is going to be a failure? Because old age isnt going to be a reason for Quade wanting to leave the job in the next five or so years. Given the talent Sandberg might have at Iowa next year, if no one is really looking at him this year for a managing gig this year isnt Manager of the 2011 PCL champs better on a resume than "Bench Coach for the 3rd, 4th, or 5th place Chicago Cubs".

Frankly I don't know the answer on this, but my hunch is that MLB managers are rarely managing AAA teams the year before they're hired. I could be wrong, but I think Bench Coach on an MLB team is higher profile position.

Most bench coaches and 3rd base coaches aren't in the Hall of Fame, either. People all over baseball said "who the fuck is Mike Quade?", no one is going to say that about Sandberg.

Why does being in the Hall of Fame make you more eligible to manage? Didn't help Ted Williams or Frank Robinson. Sandberg's paid some of his dues, but Quade's coaching experience goes back to the 80s.

He may say that but it doesn't make it true.

Fire Mike Quade!

According to ESPN 1k, Carroll has tweeted again that a Cubs source of his says his report is not true.

http://twitter.com/#!/injuryexpert/status/273...

original tweet is that it could happen next week, his Cubs source says he's wrong, especially about "timing".

that seems more like a non-denial denial to me...

"YOU WERE TOTALLY WRONG, about that one part about when it would be announced."

we shall see...

judging by the fact they gave Quade the job in the first place over Sandberg and his success in the role, he seems obvious as Hendry's top choice.

I could be way off, and I'm not really a conspiracy theorist, but I always viewed Quade getting the job as, hey, the ship is sinking, let's not have Ryno be the one who has to go down with it. Then the players threw a wrench into it by playing far better under Quade.

I might believe this if WC said quade had an ACL reconstruction or sandberg had treatment for a concussion

On second thought, I'd probably question the accuracy there too.

Nobody is gonna scoop Levine, Sully, Muskie or GW on this one.

Agreed.

Nobody is gonna scoop Levine, Sully, Muskie or GW on this one.

Pretty sure, by definition, all but one of those will have to get scooped.

That should have been an "and" but I got what he meant.

I noticed on Rotowire that their blurb on the Carroll-Wittenmeyer rumor-nonrumor, mentioned that Will Carroll is "formerly" of Baseball Prospectus. Anyone know the story there? Is WC finally going to medical school? did he sign on as a medical transcriptionist for Dr Andrews?

...also saw that today is the 7th anniversary of the Bartman game. Ouch.

he left there earlier this month.

evidently the organization was moving in a direction he didn't like...which i guess for some reason rubbed a non-trained injury expert who occasionally mis-uses medical terms for a living the wrong way.

*shrug*

http://willcarroll.tumblr.com/post/1222553064...

and

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php...

while he's no Dr. Hecht/Cubster, he deserves much credit for being the first to open up the world of sports medicines and injuries to us laymen.

True story: Looking back on the decade of the 2000's, the Bartman game changed the world more than any other single event.

Never forget. * Salute

Pretty sure, by definition, all but one of those will have to get scooped.
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My thinking is that we will have to check the seconds column on their twitter timestamp to see who will be the winner on this one

If I'm Quade, having Sandberg there is too much pressure. Ryno has campaigned too actively and publicly for the manager's job. I can't imagine that Hendry would want to give Quade the job on that basis.

if you're Mike Quade, I don't think you get to dictate the terms of your employment as manager of the Cubs.

You say thank you very much and know that you're on the hot seat starting Day 1.

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/4758

Hendry was ready to give Soriano six years, but his bosses, feeling generous, added two years on to the deal.

and

In the fall of 2000, MacPhail offered pitcher Mike Hampton more than $100 million to sign with the Cubs (Hampton chose the Rockies and the Denver school system).

Is there a bigger Hendry apologist on the planet than Dunce Miles? All this guy has done since the beginning of the Ricketts era is try to acquit Hendry of all the bad decisions he made, or signed off on, during the Wrigley/Zell era.

Hendry was given a significantly escalating payroll and told to win. He used that incredible financial flexibility to sign a long string of overvalued, back-loaded contracts to players with significant deficiencies in the elements of their skills.

Now Miles would have us believe that all of these decisions were being made from on high, against the will of the general manager, who apparently kept his mouth shut and cashed his million-dollar paychecks without actually doing his job. Except, of course, when a deal worked out, like Ted Lilly, who Hendry bravely signed with one hand on his Blackberry and other beating death away.

I used to respect Miles the most of the Big Four beat reporters, but his recent behavior in respect to acquitting Hendry has been downright shameful.

are you confusing Levine and Miles?

not that Miles isn't guilty of it at times, but Levine is far worse at sucking Hendry's ass.

but if that is the truth on Soriano signing, it should be put out there and would help explain why Hendry still magically keeps his job.

it is also the 2nd time, the other coming from Levine I believe, that we've heard that Soriano for 8 years wasn't what Hendry wanted to do.

Hendry was given a significantly escalating payroll and told to win. He used that incredible financial flexibility to sign a long string of overvalued, back-loaded contracts to players with significant deficiencies in the elements of their skills.

Soriano, Fukudome and ?

-edit- I've apparently stricken Milton Bradley from my brain.

if you say Aramis and Lee, you deserve a punch in the mouth.

Other recent contracts (2006-09) that were either bad or at least a misallocation of resources: JJones, Marquis, Eyre, Howry, Miles, and - lest we forget - Bradley.

payroll didn't really go up until 2007

forgot Marquis, and guess you can include Z, but the deal at the time was more than fair for his performance and age.

lest we forget the ones though that he got more value than what he paid...

DeRosa, Lilly, Byrd, Dempster, before his new deal (and his new deal has definitely been on par with performance), R. Johnson, J. Edmonds,

It is easy to kick this horse. Let me put on my steel-toed boots to help.

HOWEVER: My jaw dropped in disbelief when the Cubs signed the #1 FA that year. Coveted. Incredible previous year. And, JD Drew was the next in line for an offer. That was about it at this level.

So, I for one was absolutely ecstatic that my team FINALLY spent the "big dough" under the team president's leadership. Hendry built the team that could "win it all". And, in 2008, the team had its zenith with 97 wins and was set up to at the very least, make it to the NLCS. None of us predicted that Dempster would walk 18 guys and give up a Loney Grand Slam to start the pile of shit that we all watched afterwards in games 2 and 3.

I admit to being blind to the long-term consequences after coming up empty here. They are severe. The team's window got slammed down, and "that is that".

But, I can't fault Hendry for at least trying. I did wish, however, I had someone else spending the money that I respect more. I mean, in a fantasy world - what would Jocketty, Schuerholdz, et. al. have done with $140MM?

So now that this formula has failed, the team will try the other route of emphasis on farm and a few FA's. But still will not have an "Ace" on the staff of the caliber we are watching in the Final Four currently.

Wilken drafted one of those aces, arguably the best one.

Halladay was 18 when he was drafted, Trey McNutt was 19 (out of a CC). Their first full seasons in the minors were comparable: Halladay was 15-7 at high A, McNutt 10-1 at three levels including AA. McNutt started two pressure playoff games for Tennessee, and had this line:

11 innings, 9 hits, 3 runs, 3 ER, 4 walks, 12 strikeouts.

Nice job by a 20-year-old who started the season in Peoria.

Then there's Archer, Carpenter, Cashner, etc.

Relax, E-Man, all we have to worry about is getting rid of Soriano. I think ultimately the Cubs will have to give away a couple of very good prospects just to get someone to pay something for Soriano, so the Cubs can save money and Hendry can save face. That's the sort of thing I worry about.

mcnutt started 2009 throwing high 80, was hitting 91-92mph by the time draft time rolled around and showed up in 2010 hitting mid-90s. good stuff for a 81931739th rounder even though he got paid over slot.

E-Man, great stuff. I unequivocally agree about Soriano; that signing was a statement (whether it turned out to be misguided or not).

As for an ace, I regularly bash Zambrano, here and elsewhere, but it is very hard to argue with his post-meltdown starts. Not saying it erases anything, not saying it'll continue (in Chicago or elsewhere, if that were to happen), but the man pitched like an ace the last month or however long.

It's a mistake to sign a player as a statement. Sign a player because he's a good investment.

The statement is part of the value of the investment.

Until the player turns out to be mediocre and then becomes a statement about how poorly the team invests their money. Spend money wisely, if in large sums, and the statements will take care of themselves.

One from the list bites the dust...

PWSullivan: @SI_JonHeyman reports Eric Wedge in at Seattle, reunited with old pal Milton Bradley.

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  • Sure, no marks and some inconsistencies in the witness's statements. But firing your gun into garage wall immediately after an argument and punching out your car window is still threatening and out of control behavior. There was certainly enough for MLB to think it warranted a 30-game suspension.

    Charlie 35 min 4 sec ago view
  • I'd prefer they be flexible with the closing situation depending on matchups. You're not really adding a lefty reliever if you use him strictly as a closer.

    Charlie 35 min 36 sec ago view
  • Stockpiling young talent isn't only for trading for someone like Chapman though. Even with an elite closer winning the World Series is basically a crap shoot so the key is to get to the playoffs as much as possible and not just mortgage everything on one year. Once you get there an elite bullpen certainly helps but the playoffs can be won by one hitter or starting pitcher getting hot (Murphy, Molina, Baumgardner) and a closer might not be able to stop that.

    johann 59 min 55 sec ago view
  • I'm also not crazy about press convictions. As the police report noted, there were no marks on the lady in question. There's a TMZ link (of course) to her police pictures, as well.

    I think the only way this trade goes real bad is if Cubbery intervenes and Chapman is suddenly bad for some reason.

    Old and Blue 1 hour 3 min ago view
  • I am right there with you closing in on 60.

    I don't care that much about "mortgaging" one player who is not only blocked by two guys, but is not ready to hit the majors for at least a couple years.

    There is no reason why this team, this year, can't have a real shot at something NONE of us have experienced.

    Further, I don't feel that even if they fall short that they have ruined their farm system.

    I have made my opinion clear here, with others, Warren was shit on the Cubs save one spot start.

    The E-Man 2 hours 32 min ago view
  • Trading for Warren, Warren sucking, getting Warren back for Chapman plus 3 prospects, sounds like Revenge of The Yankees on the former Boston executive. Old rivalries never die.

    I pray to the heavens above Chapman doesn't suck for some reason, or he'll be booed out of town faster than a Todd Hundley revival meeting.

    Old and Blue 2 hours 40 min ago view
  • I'm kind of nostalgic for the Schwarber-for-Miller rumors.

    Brick 2 hours 52 min ago view
  • This offseason, after some ridiculous playoff run and Chapman saving every game from here until the end of the postseason striking out 27/9innings, I welcome anyone to quote this thread and call me a dummy: I hate this trade, and my hate is 2 parts Chapman makes this team less likeable and 1 part that's a ridiculous overpay for 30 regular season innings and, at tops, 10 postseason innings. Already hoping they don't extend him.

    Charlie 2 hours 54 min ago view
  • btw...Thanks AZ Phil. I'm really enjoying your take on this trade.

    Cubster 3 hours 16 min ago view
  • I'm a bit disappointed on the Warren experience. Essentially they gave Castro away for crickets (OK, well they signed Zobrist with the Castro salary dump). Otherwise one might look at it as Chapman for Castro and our #1 minors prospect (Torres) + McKinney/Crawford. Seems pricey for a 2 month rental. We will see if this price tag is that steep in a relative way based on the remaining deadline deals for relievers.

    Cubster 3 hours 16 min ago view
  • Yep. One of the great things about this team (in addition to being really good at baseball) was the "likable" factor. Feels a bit different now. Who knows...maybe Chapman will be the king of the dance parties.

    billybucks 3 hours 25 min ago view
  • Here are some possible corresponding minor league moves we might see in the aftermath  of the Chapman trade: 

    SOUTH BEND to MYRTLE BEACH: OF Donnie Dewees and INF Bryant Flete  

    EUGENE to SOUTH BEND: OF Robert Garcia and INF Vimael Machin 

    There is really no reason to replace Billy McKinney at Tennessee because both Chris Coghlan and Jorge Soler are doing their rehab at Tennessee.  

    And there are plenty of pitchers at Iowa. No need to replace Warren at AAA. .  

    Arizona Phil 3 hours 45 min ago view
  • I am 70 years old. The Cubs last played in the World Series in 1945. I was born in 1946. I hate to lose a prospect like Torres, but when the opportunity is there to get that World Series ring, you go for it. This was the idea in stock piling all this young talent. I would like to see Reddick added now and the Cubbies should be done.

    Hagsag 4 hours 16 min ago view
  • I would expect Richard to accept an optional assignment because based on how he's played this season, there is a decent chance that he won't find work elsewhere. Rather stay and potentially get a ring. Same goes for Coghlan since he's struggled mightily this year.

    Edwards should not go down. He's pitched very well and Maddon is very impressed with him. I would expect Grimm to go down for Cahill so he can get back on track (he's pitched better in July, but he's not getting enough appearances).

    chitownmvp01 4 hours 19 min ago view
  • chitownmvp01: Indeed Clayton Richard would seem to be odd man out once Chapman reports, but Richard might accept a minor league assignment if he is promised a return to Chicago on 9/1 when MLB Active List rosters expand (Richard has minor league ioptions left).

    Arizona Phil 4 hours 22 min ago view
  • The only player in the deal that would cause me a second thought is Gleyber Torres.

    McKinney and Crawford are decent prospects but both are redundant/replaceable in the system and Warren was really only a middle-reliever or #6 starter, so to me it's really just Torres for Chapman.

    Arizona Phil 4 hours 43 min ago view