How many Wins If This Was The Cubs '11 Team?

I have no clue who the Cubs are going to get this offseason. I do think they'll try and move Fukudome and maybe Silva (good luck on both counts). Since the Cubs aren't going into the Cliff Lee sweepstakes, the only pitcher I find remotely interesting would be Javier Vazquez, but by no means is he a certainty to land with the team.  But here's a possible 2011 Cubs team, how many wins do you think they'd be worth? (remembering they won 75 last year and their expected win-loss was 73 wins).

C - Soto, Backup C (Varitek, Hill, Castillo, Blanco, Chirinos, etc)

1B - Carlos Pena (Berkman, LaRoche, N. Johnson also possibilities)

2B - Dewitt/Baker

SS - Castro

3B - Ramirez

LF - Soriano

CF - Byrd

RF - Colvin

Bench: Backup C, Dewitt or Baker, Barney, Vet Pinch-Hitter (Stairs, Hinske, etc), Utility Outfielder likely right-handed to spell Colvin (Guyer, R. Johnson, Fuld, etc).

SP - Zambrano, Dempster, J. Vazquez, Wells, Gorzelanny, Silva (someone goes to the pen or minors or is traded of course)

RP - Marmol, Marshall, Grab-Ass, D. Wheeler and fill out the pen with 3 of: Cashner, Samardzija, Caridad, Dolis, J. Jackson, Maine, Gaub, Coleman, Russell, Berg, etc

No one quite knows who exactly the Cubs will sign and acquire via trade, but a left-handed power hitting 1b-men, a veteran starter and a veteran right-handed reliever are on the agenda and Pena, Vazquez and Wheeler would fit those roles. I'm sure a lot of Cubs folks would like to see Kerry Wood join the team, but I'm guessing he'll find a closer role somewhere or at least a a chance to compete for the role that he wouldn't get in Chicago.

I'd put that team at 80 wins unless Z and Vazquez find the fountain of youth and stability.



I think Vazquez will probably cost a lot more than the fans of 23 baseall teams are expecting him to.

Please to hear the Cubs are in on the Lee sweepstakes, though.

I guess that team is a 75-85 win team, with a normal amount of injuries.

unanimously awesome...

it's of virtually no consequence either way, but can baker please not be on the team anymore?

sure, but Quade seem to take to his hitting vs. lefties. Don't see him going anywhere.

Doesn't Marquez Smith have a chance at Baker's job?

i would say the everyday eight stack up favorably w/ the reigning world series champs...after we break from the gate @ 24-13, we can focus on getting the pitching lined up for the playoffs...

maybe Cain and Lincecum will become available?

berkman is such a dead zone vs. lefties with "meh" D at 1st. i dunno if he'll get a shot with a NL team...i hope the cubs stay away from pena.

i don't like guys that wear shades when they hit; especially if they don't hit...

Angles apparently interested in Adrien Beltre quite a bit, and some article speculates that means Wood, Kendrick and/or Callapso could be available.

Wouldn't mind a run at Kendrick, should turn a few doubles into HR's at Wrigley.

65-70 wins, play al east next year also.

Real bad

With Hendry's pal Towers in charge of Arizona, will Cubs make a run at S. Drew or J. Upton?

probably not and I wish are the correct answers. :)

would be refreshing if he just said he was being a homer and insuring future access to players.

to Marlins for around 3/16M...

"As I look back and see everybody involved in the interview process, I think the most games anybody saw me manage was 4-5 games, by everybody that I talked to.

i call bullshit on that one unless he wanted hendry and rickets there in person or something. he knows better, too.

They might have gone in person, but they had to tear up their PCL playoff tickets.

get the unions on your side, get your money.

claims Cubs have withdrawn state bond request

maybe Ricketts found a Cubbie head in his bed last night?


some IL politician came out and said the plan has been scrapped, but Ricketts just had his press conference this morning, so not sure what that's about.

some IL politician

Heh. That "some IL politician" is the speaker of the House, Michael Madigan, who most consider the most powerful person in Illinois government.

Nothing happens in IL government without Madigan's approval.

not my circle, but Quinn plenty pissed that he was ignored, which was cute.

Ricketts should just move the team to Arizona and play in the new stadium he screwed those taxpayers into paying for.

If you haven't guessed it, I'm completely against public funding for any sports team, period. I don't want to hear the argument about how much money a team brings into an area or jobs created. These are billionaire owners getting a free ride, that's all it is. I say Skull Fuck 'em all.

10000000000000000% agreed

it's an easy sell to create so much work for them, but...

"hundreds more permanent jobs" =p

i'd like to see that list and how broadly it's defined.

I assume most of the permanent jobs would be tied into the triangle building and whatever it intends to house. I think there was a hotel at one point, but not sure if that's part of this proposal.

yeah, i dunno what outside buildings are involved or what their scope of "around the neighborhood" is.

I thought the hotel was part of a private development across Addison.

Financially, a few hundred jobs isn't worth $300 million up front.

it's easy to sell to the unions, i mean. for the most part as long as there's work available they're for the project.

J. Bartlett could be available according to Crasnick, if Cubs want to move Castro over sooner rather than later.

random mention of Nats and Cubs being interested in Pena

looks like they want to see if they can put clubhouse below outfield in left field.

wow...below field construction...they really do want to keep wrigley alive for quite a while.

And I'm sure the citizens of Illinois will be on the hook to pay for that B.S., too. Fuck Ricketts.

Next year's team looks like 77 wins.

And why on earth anyone would go after a POS 1b who hit under .200 last year is beyond me. I don't care if he hits the occasional HR, he can't hit the ball regularly, period. Sign Laroche and be done with it.

I'll add that there's not a single thing Tom Rickett's has said so far that's been true. He's a liar and just another tight-assed owner.

What's that, country in a recession? I just spent almost a billion dollars to buy a team, hey, let's have the public pay to renovate it.

The kicker is how he claims the money won't be taken away from somewhere else. What a fucking lying piece of shit. Yes, a tiny amount of that money comes from taxing Cubs tickets, but what do you think the state/city does with it, pile it in a corner and roll around on it while fisting guinea pigs? No, it goes to pay for other things, which will suddenly have a $200-300 million shortage if Ricketts gets his way (and the rest of that money gets filled in with what?). What a douche. He should sell the team to Saudi Arabia and get out of Chicago. I'm already sick of his lies.

The Cubs are whining that they need a larger clubhouse to field a winning team. Gee, first they needed lights to field a winning team, then it was more night games, then it was getting rid of Michael Barrett, then it was having a level playing field, getting rid of MB, and the list goes on and on. It's amazing how much complaining they do about millionaires not being as comfortable as possible during the 2 hours or so a day they spend in a clubhouse.

It sure is fun to hear all this shit when everyone I know is either out of work or has taken a major pay/benefit cut and are struggling not to become homeless, but hey, let's make sure the millionaires are as comfortable as possible.

Cubs math:
"it will generate 1000's of jobs"

(while taking away 1000's from another sector).

You forgot the Left Handed batting practice pitcher excuse.

this sounds amazingly credible... =p

"According to Ken Rosenthal of, the Marlins are discussing a trade that would sent Dan Uggla to the Braves for infielder Omar Infante and left-hander Mike Dunn."

Mike Dunn better be really fucking good.

Thank you!! That's what I said!!

Talking to a random Braves fan this morning, he says, Oh, Infante and I said BS, your team just did a hell of a job capitalizing on a fluke year is what they did, well done... (that said, isn't Uggla due to make $12m or so in arb? Maybe ATL gets him signed longer...?)

Crasnick says deal is done. Likely 3b or LF depending on the Chipper situation.


signs with Cardinals, 2 years with 2013 mutual option.

Why Baker. He is the perfect platoon partner. Can't hit righties. Absolutely kills lefties. Can sub at multiple positions.

He is the last bench player they should let go.

they will go 6-0 vs white sox, lose everything else. thus making season a resounding success.

that checks

then it was getting rid of Michael Barrett,
don't underestimate the importance wrt the need to blame someone for a century of fucking up.

These are billionaire owners getting a free ride, that's all it is.
Even billionaires like free stuff (don't we all).


some tweet or twit or twat or blurb that WSox talked with his agent and the "starting point" is 3/40 for him, which is acceptable on my scale of what is acceptable for a guy that teams will want to trade in 2 years.

We'll see where it ends up...

Jim Hendry will negotiate Dunn's 3/40 request into 5/100 in no time.

I predict Adam Dunn signs with the Cubs for.........3/44!!!!!!!!!

news out of Baltimore...a former cub leaves the O's for the Cubs? Can Brian Roberts be far behind?

Scott Moore returns. meh.

and Chad Tracy is now a Hiroshima Carp

I like Scott Moore as a bench player on the 2011 Cubs. Can play all 4 infield positions. Decent hitter, and brings Left-Handedness.

might I inquest on what qualifies Scott Moore as a "decent hitter"?

and I don't think there's anyone on this planet besides maybe him and his Mom that thinks he can play all 4 infield positions.

He's played 3 at the MLB level. He was drafted as a SS. He can play all 4 spots in a Mike Fontenot can play all 4 spots way.

Not starting material by any stretch. But a decent gloved high 700's OPSing infielder. I'd feel better about him in that role than a Marquez Smith in 2011. At least as an option.

Manny Ramirez was drafted as a shortstop, let's sign him and push Castro to 2nd for 2011.

Woah woah woah.

Then where's Fukudome going to play.

Futility infielder.

This is all hilarious.

We just had our first kid (hooray!), so I'm behind on both college and TCR.

On a side note, for utility, am I the only one who misses (just a little) Ramon Martinez??

Miss him? Hell, I hardly remember him.

Scott Moore is back. Wow, the Ricketts really ARE serious about winning the pennant.

Prices seem to be heading up again this winter.

Joaquin Benoit gets 3/16.5 plus incentives

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  • "trout's one of the best, and at this point should probably win over donaldson (and should have more MVPs in the past, too), but the defensive aspect of valuing WAR still needs more tweaking...imo."

    that's from my 1st post. there's no suck involved in that. maybe with a few less posts about bullshit that point would have jumped out more.

    crunch 31 min 15 sec ago view
  • crunch - you do know that, taking defense out of the equation, Trout has led the AL in wRC+ each of those years, right?

    And, if you want to complain about position adjustment (which would be serious #crunchsplaining), he's been in the top 3 in the AL in WC (not park/league/position adjusted). And the only players ahead of him (if there were any players ahead of him) in any of those years have been DHs or 1B that play lousy defense.

    But sure - Trout sucks (or at least isn't as good as WAR says). Because it factors in defense and position.

    big_lowitzki 1 hour 35 min ago view
  • early tim tebow stuff rolling in...

    ran a 6.7 60yd (above average)...shagging flies in RF and showed off a rather impressive arm a few times, but average-at best on most of his throws...hit a few over the fence (both fields), fouled or weak contact a few...he's got a touch of power

    it'll be interesting to see who bites on this project, if anyone. he probably projected himself out of RF and into LF/1st because of his arm, but unless he can make that power work on a steady basis it'll be hard for him to play himself up anyone's system.

    crunch 2 hours 21 min ago view
  • LHP Clayton Richard (released by the Cubs earlier this month) is pitching very well as a starting pitcher for the San Diego Padres and could be a good candidate to get traded to a contender looking for a veteran SP before tomorrow night's post-season roster eligibility deadline.

    Because they released him, the Cubs are paying most of Richard's 2016 salary (the Cubs are on the hooks for $2M, minus the pro-rated portion of the MLB minimum salary that is paid by the Padres).

    Arizona Phil 4 hours 8 min ago view
  • it is honestly awesome (for real) that anyone would even have a strong opinion on AZL playoffs. i guess if you invest enough time watching it, you want to see a fair/just playoff structure.

    plus, the kids deserve it.

    crunch 4 hours 8 min ago view
  • The AZL team with the best record over the course of the full 2016 AZL season and the only AZL team to play .600 ball (the AZL Dodgers) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, and the AZL East Division team with the best record over the course of the full season (the AZL Athletics) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, either. 

    That's because of the ridiculous "split season" schedule most of the minor leagues now play, a stupid system that rewards mediocrity at the expense of the worthy. 

    Arizona Phil 4 hours 15 min ago view
  • Despite good movement on his fastball, I think location kept him from getting Ks. Left some pitches up and away that got hammered up and away. Then of course Travis Wood gave up the 2-run double in the 7th, but both runs counted against Arrieta.

    Charlie 4 hours 51 min ago view
  • "i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date."

    This level of discourse is #charming.


    Tito 4 hours 52 min ago view
  • I would be having this discussion with anyone who (a) blathered on ad nauseum about the topic. (See, "Olt, Mike, not given an opportunity") or (b) responded directly to what I posted (which you did).

    Have a nice day.


    Tito 4 hours 55 min ago view
  • what would you do without me? aside from having your posting content here cut by 75%+?

    i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date.

    crunch 4 hours 58 min ago view
  • In this instance, yes, I care more about the result of this big thing that isn't really a big thing.








    Tito 4 hours 58 min ago view
  • Two things:

    Fangraphs WAR #s include baserunning and Hamilton is elite at that. He leads in SBs with the 54 and and has an 87% rate which is really good. I'm sure once he gets on base he's able to take the extra base quite often too. Both those things will up his overall WAR value.

    The differences between BR and FG WAR is pretty well documented online and thus If there are discrepancies it's fairly easy to figure out why. It's fairly well accepted that BR WAR is fine as a snapshot but FG is better at predicting future value.

    johann 5 hours 3 min ago view
  • i have no doubt at all you quit reading at that point. you're very enamored with outcomes without caring what it takes to get there.

    the fact it's exploitable, especially without someone to cover the running game for him, as well it's evolution in how people are testing possible exploits is interesting to some me...i'm some people...hurrah.

    some people want to check the boxscore to see who won, some want to know how it went down.

    crunch 5 hours 15 min ago view
  • I read it as him saying it's not really that much of a concern and that the one time it really cost Lester, vs. K.C., was an anomaly.


    Tito 5 hours 21 min ago view
  • if jeff says it, it's cool...when i say it, it's straight from the mouth of hitler.

    aside from the lack of jeff touching on the insane leads runners take and lester's inability to throw if he's fielding, this is a lot of what i've said about the issue.

    exploitable, needs his own personal catcher to control his shortcomings, relies on his ability to get outs along with his personal catcher keeping runners in check before things become further exploited...

    crunch 5 hours 23 min ago view
  • That would be Rice Krispy Treat

    The E-Man 6 hours 41 min ago view