Prospecting: Jackson and Vitters Make Some Lists

Jonathan Mayo, MLB.com's minor league guy is running a list of top 10 prospects for each position in the minors leading up to his top 50 minor league prospects that will air on Tuesday on the MLB network. It appears he's gone through everything but the pitchers so far and two Cubs can be found - Brett Jackson and Josh Vitters.

Vitters #7 out of all minor league third basemen:

Chicago pushed Vitters up to Double-A when it had a hole to fill, and while he didn't put up good numbers at all, the organization was pleased with how he prepared and dealt with the adversity. He still has the great swing, bat speed and raw power that made him the No. 3 overall pick in the 2007 Draft. He hasn't been so great at making adjustments and doesn't draw walks at all. He's not great defensively, but has a good arm and should be able to stay at the hot corner. The 2011 season could be a big one for Vitters.

Jackson #6 out of all minor league outfielders:

Taken in the first round in 2009, Jackson jumped on the fast track by making it to Double-A in his first full season. While his individual tools may not grade out as plus, he can do a little bit of everything. He hit 12 homers and stole 30 bases last year, and there should be more power coming. While he strikes out a lot, he'll also draw some walks and he's capable of playing all over the outfield. With Brandon Guyer gone, Jackson could be the first outfielder the Cubs call up from the Minors
when the need arises.

C | 1B | 2B | SS | 3B | OF

I imagine Trey McNutt would be the only pitcher that could make the top pitchers and I don't think we'll see him there. For all the love of Hak-Ju Lee - and I do like him myself - he didn't even crack the top 10 shortstops.

Also, the Cubs will pick 9th next year in the first round of the draft.

Comments

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/01/...

Hendry tells him that he imagines a Jackson(LF), Szczur(CF), Colvin(RF) outfield by 2014

No one saw it, but I just rolled my eyes.

I saw it. I have total control of your webcam. BTW, you need to trim your nose hair.

still waiting on Felipe Lopez before supplemental picks are locked, but Cubs 2nd round pick will be 59th or 60th (8th pick of the 2nd round).

http://www.mediabistro.com/sportsnewser/espn-...

2 Cubs games, WSux vs. Cubs(24th) and Cubs vs. Rangers (26th)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archiv...

10 players to have 200+ hits and less than 80 runs scored

Amazing when you consider Ichiro hit/ran HIMSELF into scoring position 75 times last year -- 30 doubles, 3 triples and 42 stolen bases -- and was only batted in 68 times TOTAL by other hitters.

I find it just as fascinating that the Mariners answer to having one of the worst offenses I've ever seen is to trade for Brendan Ryan and sign Jack Cust.

Joe Sewell for the 1925 Indians is the most interesting - .400 OBP and played for a team with Tris Speaker. Of course their manager had Speaker, who put up a 1057 OPS that year sacrifice 11 times.. I guess he should have complained to his manager, Tris Speaker, about it.

That team also featured Cliff Lee.

... and Jamie Moyer, John Franco, and Ruben Sierra

4/$27M extension

I believe that one does net the Reds a FA season.

Doesn't inspire a lot of confidence for late-inning heroics, as the likely group of Fukodome, Barney, Hill, DeWitt (on days when Baker starts) and Perez/R. Johnson (both of whom have injury issues) doesn't have a whole lot of pop.

You could probably count the number of pinch hit game winning HR's for all of MLB in 2010 on one hand.

Carlos Pena and Cubs hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo started work in the batting cage this past week in Dallas.

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...

It seems that there is a world of difference in how humbling .196 and .207 can be perceived.

from QuietMan's link...

RJ(regarding ARam): "I took a lot of stuff that I usually don't"

"If [Ramirez] wants to keep playing, then they'll compete and do something this year," Jaramillo said. "He should be motivated, but the whole key is does he want to continue playing? He's got all the money in the world. I think he'll do a lot better. Our rapport is a lot better. I took a lot of stuff that I usually don't, but I had to be patient and I think it'll work out in the end."

Both Ramirez and Lee said they felt they were their own best hitting coaches and, as veterans, knew their swing better than anyone. It took time for Jaramillo to build up a relationship with the third baseman. Ramirez also said he wasn't healthy last year, which contributed to his .207 average in the first half.

At the end of last season, Ramirez did go the batting cage more and asked for some assistance. When asked at the Cubs Convention about his relationship with Jaramillo, Ramirez said it was good. "I believe he trusts me more," Jaramillo said. "Some guys are harder than others."

chuckle

anyone watch their Comedy Central show? wonder if it's any good...

I assume most folks have seen this by now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POyFvDgV2cU&fe...

Wannstedt taking assistant head coach job with the Bills

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6...

Speaking of, Jauron taking DC job at Cleveland

The All-Underrated Team

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?c...

....over the last 50 seasons only two other 20-year-olds have had a season in which they matched or beat Castro's batting average (.300), on-base percentage (.347) and slugging percentage (.408). Good chance you've heard of them: Alex Rodriguez in 1996 and Kenneth Griffey Jr. in 1990. But even if you go all the way back to 1939, the only other guys who have done it are Ted Williams, Mickey Mantle, Al Kaline and Vada Pinson.

Neat, but I bet if you check most of those guys did significantly better in one or more of those stats.

Ryan Braun? How is a left fielder who hit 25 HR's and had an .363 OBP while getting elected to his third All Star Game possibly underrated? May as well put Soriano on the list.

Braun was a head scratcher...

GO BEARS!!!!!!!!

LET'S DO THIS, BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF THE PACKERS!!

FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Prediction:
Pack 14 Bears 10
Cutler throws 2 picks, acts like a douchebag on the sideline.

If he makes it all the way to the sideline, that will be an improvement.

Good Point...

I hope you two are man enough to say you're thedouchebags should he actually propel his team to the W.

He is still the best QB the Bears have had in years regardless of the outcome.

Cutler's flaws are correctable and seem to be getting corrected under Martz. The article Rob links to does a nice job of showing Martz's thinking towards Cutler and it's good to see he sees what even we Cutler supporters see. Cutler is a work in progress. So of course, I'm nervous about this game and again and am going to be worrying if we see the Good Jay or the Bad Jay. Last week he did throw what should have been a pick in the red zone. But he also tucked the ball in and ran with it a few times when earlier in the season he would have tried to force something, and he even threw the ball away a couple times. I was almost as glad to see those lobs into the end zone as I was the touchdown to Olsen.

I am still not seeing an improvement in the decision making. All I am seeing is people getting excited when he has time to make throws and he only does 3 stupid things per game, as opposed to when he gets pressured and does 10 stupid things.

What quarterback doesn't do 3 stupid things a game?

You'll see three of them play tomorrow.

You clearly have never seen Sanchez or Roethsliberger play. I may give you Rogers though.

It's pretty simple to count tomorrow.

I have no interest in making silly comparisons off of one game.

You claim that Cutler now does 3 stupid things a game (which is pretty unquantifiable due to the premise's arbitrary nature, but that is beside the point). I claim that there are very, very few quarterbacks (if any) who do less than 3 stupid things a game.

Tomorrow won't change my mind.

Typical. You're certain that I'm wrong, but then say there's no way to prove that I am right, which of course also means that there's no way to prove I was
wrong, so you were, per usual, just talking out of your ass.

just talking out of your ass

Actually, that would be you. You can't "prove" anything that you have said. You are completely making things up (10 stupid things, 3 stupid things, etc.). You are the one who continually points to made up stats about Cutler and isolated examples to attempt to make your point.

I'm not making up stats. I'm not pointing to isolated plays to make a point.

And for a guy who over and over again preaches about sample sizes, you sure like to pick isolated examples to "prove" that Jay Cutler sucks.

I guess in your world, if Jay Cutler outplays Aaron Rogers tomorrow, Jay Cutler must be a better a quarterback.

Ditka makes a surprise pre-game locker room speech. Bears 87, Packers 2. Packers' only points come when Jay Cutler throws the ball out of the back of the end zone to avoid a sack, then moons the Packers' sideline.

to Blue Jays

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/21/...

thought they already had 2 up and coming catchers

-edit- didn't mean that as a reply

Didn't read the article, but I would guess this is more of a "Vlad and Manny are not coming here" move than a catcher move.

Supposedly for Vernon Wells and the 4 yr/$86 million left on his contract.

I thought you were making a joke. Wow.

So if we can find a way to get Soriano to hit 31 hr's this season, can we dump him on the Angels next winter?

I was thinking today before their GM sobers up.

I guess the Angels just had to spend money...weird.

Wells never K'd much and obviously still has some power, so I think he's a better bet to not completely flame out, like say, Soriano, but damn risky.

report on Angels.com says an unspecified amount of cash is coming the Angels way

Napoli/Rivera for Wells is the deal

-edit- Keith Law says no cash and the press releases apparently make no mention of cash. Wow.

Alex Anthopoulos just won Executive of the Year...

I think he just got in the Hall of Fame.

There is hope for Soriano to be dumped on someone. Too bad there is now one less suitor now.

Don't know if this is 3/44, but N Punto to Cards 1/750k.

LaRussa is collecting slap-hitting IF's like Peppers collect holding lineman.

Go FUCKING Bears!!!!!!!

sign Manny and Damon today...

Vlad Guerrero reportedly close to signing with Baltimore, reportedly for dirt cheap.

He hit .300 with 29 hr and 115 rbi last year. I can completely understand the fear of giving big bucks to a soon to be 36 year old, and the accompanying recent age bias among MLB GM's, but how he sat around all offseason waiting while far crappier players not only signed but got significantly more money is nuts.

He's a Hall of Famer who is still producing at a nice pace, with plenty of room to decline and still be of value, unlike shitheads like Manny Ramirez. (I know some idiot is going to start arguing that Manny at $2 million is a bargain. May I point out that once Manny got busted for PED's, his power numbers completely disappeared. If you watched Manny with the Dodgers and White Sox last year you saw a player with a very slow bat and absolutely no pop, coupled with the long running asshole he's always been. And I think it's not a coincidence that those stud young stars with the Dodgers when Manny arrived are suddenly under performing assholes. Shit rubs off. Why Tampa would expose their kids to that is beyond me.)

he needs about 3 more full seasons so he can get to 3000 and 500 to make the Hall probably.

DH's didn't really start signing until the last week, guess it just came down the price and if you wanted a RH or LH bat.

Gotta wonder why Texas didn't want him back though...

Vlad might have a hard time getting to 3000 hits. He needs 573, so he'll have to stay healthy and productive for at least 3 more years. But he had a string of 10 straight years that stack up extremely well against anyone in baseball (108 rbi or more every season during that run but the 2003 strike year).

He's going to get to 1500 rbi's for sure, a good chance at 1600 or more. Vlad's career numbers right now are .320/.383/.563.

But I think if he bounces from team to team as a DH his final 4-5 years, the 'journeyman' tag probably hurts his HoF chances a bit.

Manny can still hit. Between the Dodgers and White Sox last year he hit .298/.409/.460. The problem was, he was only healthy enough for 265 ABs all year.

His HR were down last year. He hit a home run every 29.44 AB in 2010. Over the past few years, he's hit a home run every:

2009: 18.53 AB
2008: 14.92 AB
2007: 24.15 AB
2006: 12.83 AB
2005: 12.31 AB

I don't know if his power went in the toilet last year and it will come back this year, or if last year was a sign of things to come. However, even based on last year, he can still be a productive hitter and could turn out to be a bargain if he stays healthy and simply repeats what he did in 2010.

Manny is a quitter. He quit on the Red Sox and quit on the Dodgers. He's a cancer. A proven quitter who ruins teams. And if you watched him at all last season, he's a singles hitter now. His Risk/Reward is not high enough to take a gamble on.

He's 39 in May, do you really think his power is suddenly going to come back? Only if he gets Bonds' trainer out of prison.

24 games with the White Sox last year, 1 hr and 2 rbi.

Plus he double-parks and litters.

And kicks puppies and cheats on his taxes!

Now I'm torn. I like puppies, but I hate taxes.

24 games with the White Sox last year, 1 hr and 2 rbi.

You should read up on this thing called sample sizes.

Dodgers, 66 games, 8 hr.

He's 39.

And I understand sample sizes, nimwit.

Then maybe you shouldn't trot out 24 games as being a very relevant sample size.

Oh, and he also had 40 RBI in that small sample size with the Dodgers. Not sure why you include the low RBI total with the Sox, but ignore the pretty good RBI total with the Dodgers. I guess that didn't make your point as well.

And nimwit? Really?

WGN Radio has audio up for some of the Cubs Convention.

Here's the link for Oneri Fleita & Tim Wilkin being interviewed by Kap & Memolo:

http://www.wgnradio.com/sports/baseball/cubs/...

Wilkin "Their demeanor, how they carry themselves on the field. That's one of the first things we look at."...ugh

McFail's pre-deal denial wrt Vlad

http://www.masnsports.com/steve_melewski/2011...

Can't happen. Vlad never played with the Cubs or in the Cubs farm system.

Blue Jays on the books for $ 17 million payroll in 2012

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/22/...

He's also in the head scratcher from the Cubs point of view camp.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php...

if someone would quit DDOS'ing their site i might be able to read it.

...wonder who they pissed off now.

it's probably pete rose's thug friends pissed they're in year 8 of will carroll's "no, i'm right!" article, non-retraction and non-appology after insisting pete was returning to baseball and he'd seen the contracts and unicorns and etc. while burning up the airwaves being a guest on any show that would take him during his self-pimp-fest.

2003 Strike year?

Somebody take away the Marlins WS rings?

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  • Sure, no marks and some inconsistencies in the witness's statements. But firing your gun into garage wall immediately after an argument and punching out your car window is still threatening and out of control behavior. There was certainly enough for MLB to think it warranted a 30-game suspension.

    Charlie 1 hour 5 min ago view
  • I'd prefer they be flexible with the closing situation depending on matchups. You're not really adding a lefty reliever if you use him strictly as a closer.

    Charlie 1 hour 6 min ago view
  • Stockpiling young talent isn't only for trading for someone like Chapman though. Even with an elite closer winning the World Series is basically a crap shoot so the key is to get to the playoffs as much as possible and not just mortgage everything on one year. Once you get there an elite bullpen certainly helps but the playoffs can be won by one hitter or starting pitcher getting hot (Murphy, Molina, Baumgardner) and a closer might not be able to stop that.

    johann 1 hour 30 min ago view
  • I'm also not crazy about press convictions. As the police report noted, there were no marks on the lady in question. There's a TMZ link (of course) to her police pictures, as well.

    I think the only way this trade goes real bad is if Cubbery intervenes and Chapman is suddenly bad for some reason.

    Old and Blue 1 hour 33 min ago view
  • I am right there with you closing in on 60.

    I don't care that much about "mortgaging" one player who is not only blocked by two guys, but is not ready to hit the majors for at least a couple years.

    There is no reason why this team, this year, can't have a real shot at something NONE of us have experienced.

    Further, I don't feel that even if they fall short that they have ruined their farm system.

    I have made my opinion clear here, with others, Warren was shit on the Cubs save one spot start.

    The E-Man 3 hours 3 min ago view
  • Trading for Warren, Warren sucking, getting Warren back for Chapman plus 3 prospects, sounds like Revenge of The Yankees on the former Boston executive. Old rivalries never die.

    I pray to the heavens above Chapman doesn't suck for some reason, or he'll be booed out of town faster than a Todd Hundley revival meeting.

    Old and Blue 3 hours 11 min ago view
  • I'm kind of nostalgic for the Schwarber-for-Miller rumors.

    Brick 3 hours 22 min ago view
  • This offseason, after some ridiculous playoff run and Chapman saving every game from here until the end of the postseason striking out 27/9innings, I welcome anyone to quote this thread and call me a dummy: I hate this trade, and my hate is 2 parts Chapman makes this team less likeable and 1 part that's a ridiculous overpay for 30 regular season innings and, at tops, 10 postseason innings. Already hoping they don't extend him.

    Charlie 3 hours 24 min ago view
  • btw...Thanks AZ Phil. I'm really enjoying your take on this trade.

    Cubster 3 hours 46 min ago view
  • I'm a bit disappointed on the Warren experience. Essentially they gave Castro away for crickets (OK, well they signed Zobrist with the Castro salary dump). Otherwise one might look at it as Chapman for Castro and our #1 minors prospect (Torres) + McKinney/Crawford. Seems pricey for a 2 month rental. We will see if this price tag is that steep in a relative way based on the remaining deadline deals for relievers.

    Cubster 3 hours 47 min ago view
  • Yep. One of the great things about this team (in addition to being really good at baseball) was the "likable" factor. Feels a bit different now. Who knows...maybe Chapman will be the king of the dance parties.

    billybucks 3 hours 56 min ago view
  • Here are some possible corresponding minor league moves we might see in the aftermath  of the Chapman trade: 

    SOUTH BEND to MYRTLE BEACH: OF Donnie Dewees and INF Bryant Flete  

    EUGENE to SOUTH BEND: OF Robert Garcia and INF Vimael Machin 

    There is really no reason to replace Billy McKinney at Tennessee because both Chris Coghlan and Jorge Soler are doing their rehab at Tennessee.  

    And there are plenty of pitchers at Iowa. No need to replace Warren at AAA. .  

    Arizona Phil 4 hours 16 min ago view
  • I am 70 years old. The Cubs last played in the World Series in 1945. I was born in 1946. I hate to lose a prospect like Torres, but when the opportunity is there to get that World Series ring, you go for it. This was the idea in stock piling all this young talent. I would like to see Reddick added now and the Cubbies should be done.

    Hagsag 4 hours 46 min ago view
  • I would expect Richard to accept an optional assignment because based on how he's played this season, there is a decent chance that he won't find work elsewhere. Rather stay and potentially get a ring. Same goes for Coghlan since he's struggled mightily this year.

    Edwards should not go down. He's pitched very well and Maddon is very impressed with him. I would expect Grimm to go down for Cahill so he can get back on track (he's pitched better in July, but he's not getting enough appearances).

    chitownmvp01 4 hours 50 min ago view
  • chitownmvp01: Indeed Clayton Richard would seem to be odd man out once Chapman reports, but Richard might accept a minor league assignment if he is promised a return to Chicago on 9/1 when MLB Active List rosters expand (Richard has minor league ioptions left).

    Arizona Phil 4 hours 53 min ago view
  • The only player in the deal that would cause me a second thought is Gleyber Torres.

    McKinney and Crawford are decent prospects but both are redundant/replaceable in the system and Warren was really only a middle-reliever or #6 starter, so to me it's really just Torres for Chapman.

    Arizona Phil 5 hours 13 min ago view