Team Ramirez Tags Russell at Fitch

Aramis Ramirez ripped a towering home run high over the LF fence onto 8th Street and Max Ramirez drilled a liner off the right-centerfield fence and almost took the pitcher's head off with a line drive up the middle, as James Russell was hit hard in a 25-pitch "live" BP session at Fitch Park Field #3 this morning.


Aram did not take "live" BP last year and did not hit against live pitching yesterday, either, but he looked very comfortable hitting against Ryan Dempster and James Russell today.


And Max Ramirez continued to show off his offensive skills today, battering Russell in a five-pitch AB. A one-time Texas Rangers Top 10 Prospect, the 26-year old Ramirez was acquired off waivers from Boston last month, and he is known as an offensive-first C-1B. Whether he will be able to beat-out Koyie Hill for the #2 catcher job is questionable, because the Cubs pitchers who matter seem to prefer throwing to K. Hill when Geovany Soto is not in the lineup. But if he keeps hitting the ball in Cactus League play as well as he has this week at Fitch Park, it might be tough to keep M. Ramirez off the Opening Day 25-man roster. His best chance to make the team would probably be if Geo's shoulder keeps him from handling a #1 catcher's work-load (at least at the beginning of the season), or if something happens to K. Hill. The other ways M. Ramirez could make the Opening Day roster would be if the Cubs opt to go with just four outfielders (Alfonso Soriano, Marlon Byrd, Kosuke Fukudome, and Tyler Colvin) and cut both Reed Johnson and Fernando Perez, or if they go with just one back-up infielder (Darwin Barney) and cut Jeff Baker.


Among the other pitchers who threw today, Jeff Samardzija got a lot of ground balls on Field #2 facing Fukudome, Perez, Bryan Lahair, and Brad Snyder, and Carlos Marmol was just plain filthy, with Josh Vitters managing to hammer the one and only ball hit hard off the Cub closer (a line drive). All of the Cubs position players except Koyie Hill had the opportunity to face "live" BP against Cubs pitchers today, although Hill did have a lengthy BP session hitting the offerings of Cub coaches on Field #1 after the "live" BP session had concluded.


It was "picture day" today, so the Cubs wore their home white pinstripe uniforms instead of the blue batting practice tops & grey pants they normally wear at Fitch Park.  


FIELD #2


PITCHERS 
Braden Looper
Carlos Silva
Jeff Samardzija
Jeff Stevens
Scott Maine
Scott Rice


CATCHERS
Koyie Hill (Looper & Silva)
Chris Robinson (Samardzija & Stevens)
Steve Clevenger (Maine & Rice)


GROUP 1 HITTERS (vs Looper & Silva)
Matt Camp
Steve Clevenger
Brett Jackson
Marquez Smith


GROUP 2 HITTERS (vs Samardzija and Stevens)
Kosuke Fukudome
Bryan Lahair
Fernando Perez
Brad Snyder


GROUP 3 HITTERS (vs Maine & Rice)
Jeff Baker
Darwin Barney
Lou Montanez
Augie Ojeda


FIELD #3


PITCHERS
Ryan Dempster
James Russell
Carlos Marmol
Sean Marshall
Chris Carpenter
Kyle Smit


CATCHERS
Geovany Soto (Dempster & Russell)
Welington Castillo (Marmol & Marshall)
Max Ramirez (Carpenter & Smit)


GROUP 1 HITTERS (vs Dempster & Russell)
Marlon Byrd
Tyler Colvin
Aramis Ramirez
Max Ramirez
Alfonso Soriano


GROUP 2 HITTERS (vs Marmol & Marshall)
Reed Johnson
Bobby Scales
Geovany Soto
Josh Vitters


GROUP 3 HITTERS (vs Carpenter & Smit)
Jim Adduci
Welington Castillo
Starlin Castro
Blake DeWitt
Scott Moore
Carlos Pena

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Comments

awesome as always...

probably haven't seen much of it yet, but isn't M. Ramirez pretty much a black hole defensively as a catcher? At least that was the scouting report, that he has to hit a ton to justify a job as a backstop. Doubt the Cubs would keep an offensive-minded back-up catcher...

If anything, he might make good trade bait or Cubs are hoping that 40-man rosters are filled by end of spring training that he can get through waivers.

Submitted by Rob G. on Tue, 02/22/2011 - 2:29pm.
awesome as always...

probably haven't seen much of it yet, but isn't M. Ramirez pretty much a black hole defensively as a catcher? At least that was the scouting report, that he has to hit a ton to justify a job as a backstop. Doubt the Cubs would keep an offensive-minded back-up catcher...

If anything, he might make good trade bait or Cubs are hoping that 40-man rosters are filled by end of spring training that he can get through waivers.

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ROB G: Max Ramirez has the reputation as being a sub-standard defensive catcher, but we'll have to wait until the Cactus League games to see if it's true.

I could see M. Ramirez being kept around more as a 3rd catcher, back-up 1B, and RHPH (taking either Baker's or the Perez/Johnson slot on the 25-man roster) than as the #2 catcher.

It would help Ramirez's chances if the Cubs had a true "25th man" IF-OF supersub on the roster who could do everything presently expected of Jeff Baker and Perez/Johnson.

I doubt that M. Ramirez would clear waivers, but you never know.

keep barney & maxram; cut baker & his shades...

AZ PHIL: As you have stated on several occasions that the Cubs pitchers like throwing to Hill. Also, the Cubs not only spent $800K+ in a new contract to him but Hendry touts how "valuable" K Hill is at every opportunity.

Koyie Hill can't hit a lick, and at what point does an automatic out in the lineup matter?

Since Max "Rammy" is new to the team, and Hill is already familiar with the pitchers, isn't he automatically at a tremendous disadvantage regardless of what he does with the bat?

Does Max have any options left? Or - would he have to clear waivers?

Thanks PHIL.

Submitted by The E-Man on Tue, 02/22/2011 - 2:38pm.
AZ PHIL: As you have stated on several occasions that the Cubs pitchers like throwing to Hill. Also, the Cubs not only spent $800K+ in a new contract to him but Hendry touts how "valuable" K Hill is at every opportunity.

Koyie Hill can't hit a lick, and at what point does an automatic out in the lineup matter?

Since Max "Rammy" is new to the team, and Hill is already familiar with the pitchers, isn't he automatically at a tremendous disadvantage regardless of what he does with the bat?

Does Max have any options left? Or - would he have to clear waivers?

Thanks PHIL.

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E-MAN: Max Ramirez is out of options, and I don't think he could clear waivers unless he has a really bad month at the plate and in the field in Cactus League play.

As to why the Cubs pitchers like Koyie Hill so much despite his poor hitting skills, pitchers are kind of selfish and a bit superstitious and have almost tunnel-vision when it comes to their performance on the mound. If they believe a certain catcher helps them perform better, then they want that guy to be their catcher, even if the alternative would be to have a catcher in the lineup who can generate some offense and/or throw-out base-stealers.

Geovany Soto is so good offensively that he is not going to be replaced by Koyie Hill no matter what the pitchers think, but the back-up catcher (especially the back-up catcher) is another story. A manager and a GM will listen to the pitchers when it comes to deciding which back-up catcher to keep. And the Cubs pitchers (at least the ones who matter) really like to throw to Koyie Hill. That's why I think Hill is a virtual lock to win the #2 job even if he is clearly outhit by M. Ramirez and even though Welington Castillo quite obviously has a much stronger arm.

Thanks PHIL.

If Baker were to get cut, which I would say is unlikely, would he get to hang onto all of that $1.175MM salary the Cubs signed him to?

There's a date a team can cut a player by and only owe him something like 1/6th their salary.

Submitted by The E-Man on Tue, 02/22/2011 - 4:03pm.
Thanks PHIL.

If Baker were to get cut, which I would say is unlikely, would he get to hang onto all of that $1.175MM salary the Cubs signed him to?

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E-MAN: It depends on whether he signed a guaranteed contract or not.

If the Cubs had gone to an arbitration hearing with Baker, he definitely would have received a non-guaranteed contract.

But since he signed prior to a hearing, it's possible he got a guaranteed contract in exchange for signing.

If the contract is not guaranteed, the Cubs could release Baker prior to Opening Day and only have to pay him 30 days salary (about $200K) if he is released more than 15 days prior to Opening Day, or 45 days salary (about $300K) if he is released less than 15 days prior to Opening Day. But again that is only if he signed a non-guaranteed contract.

If Baker has a guaranteed contract, then the Cubs would be on the hook for the entire $1.175M, minus the pro-rated portion of the MLB mininimum salary should he sign a major league contract with another MLB club after getting released, so the Cubs could save as much as $414K (and be on the hook for about $760K) if he signs with another MLB club by Opening Day.

The Cubs could also try and outright him to the minors, and if he gets through waivers the Cubs would be paying him $1.175M to play at Iowa, but at least he would be available later in the season if needed. Because Baker has accrued at least three years of MLB service time he would (under CBA Article XX-D) have the right to refuse the Outright Assignment and become a free-agent immediately (BTW, this does not apply to Baker, but note that players who have accrued at least five years of MLB service time must give their permission before they can be optioned or outrighted to the minors), but if he did that his contract would be voided and he would receive no termination pay. Therefore if he were to get outrighted, he would probably accept the Outright Assignment (and collect his $1.175M) and defer his right to be an Article XX-D minor league FA until after the conclusion of the regular season. However, if the Cubs were to outright Baker to the minors and he accepts the Outright Assignment, he would NOT be eligible to be an Article XX-D minor league FA post-2011 if the Cubs add him back to their 40-man roster prior to the conclusion of the MLB regular season.

If Baker were to be placed on Outright Waivers and get claimed, the claiming club only has to pay him the pro-rated portion of the MLB minimum salary, same as if he were released and then signed with another MLB club. (NOTE: If a player is claimed off Optional Waivers or Trade Waivers, the claiming club assumes 100% of the contract and salary).

BTW, this would also be true for Jeff Samardzija if he waives his "no trade" rights and is placed on Outright Waivers. The Cubs would be on the hook for his entire 2011 salary (minus the pro-rated portion of the MLB minimum salary) if he were to get claimed, which is why The Shark is likely to remain with the Cubs for the entire 2011 season. Once the season is over the Cubs can opt out of the contract and then Samardzija becomes an "Auto-Renewal" player (he won't be eligible for salary arbitration until after the 2012 season), although he can't be cut more than 20% ($560K) if he is tendered a 2012 contract. So even if Samardzija pitches OK for the Cubs in 2011, he still might get non-tendered if the Cubs don't want to pay him at least $2.24M in 2012.

Thanks PHIL. So, I guess we can assume that unless there is a dramatic situation of another player, take Max Ramirez for example, playing "out of their skull", Baker will be on the club - as throwing money away is not Rickett's M.O.

Since we know the likelihood of Baker getting a guaranteed contract, with Jim Hendry as the G.M. is almost a lock.

Submitted by The E-Man on Wed, 02/23/2011 - 9:58am.
Thanks PHIL. So, I guess we can assume that unless there is a dramatic situation of another player, take Max Ramirez for example, playing "out of their skull", Baker will be on the club - as throwing money away is not Rickett's M.O.

Since we know the likelihood of Baker getting a guaranteed contract, with Jim Hendry as the G.M. is almost a lock.

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E-MAN: If Baker has a guaranteed contract, then the Cubs would obviously prefer to trade him rather than release him and eat at least $760K, and actually it is conceivable that there would be a club looking for a player like Baker at the end of Spring Training, and if so, that club would probably be willing to pay Baker $1.175M (which isn't all that much if he's actually on an MLB 25-man roster).

He's a decent guy to have around if you need a guy who can hit lefties at 3B or 2B.

I don't get all the talk about potentially cutting or trading Baker. We need two backup infielders, the only choices it appears are Baker and Barney. With ARam's regular injury problems not having two backup infielders doesn't make much sense, not to mention Baker is still supposedly half of the 2b platoon.

The idea is to get Smith and/or Ramirez on the roster.

Max Ramirez can't play 2b/3b, it wouldn't make any sense to replace an infielder with a C/1b, especially with ARam's injury history. Smith I can understand.

Well, Castro isn't going to take too many days off, and Barney can back up DeWitt and Ramirez, at least long enough for a Smith to come up from AAA.

could there be such a thing as a poor man's hank white?

koyie hill?

Nah... a poor man's Hank White would still be able to play defense.

Koyie Hill is more like a broke man's Hank White.

Yes, and he's currently slated to be the #1 catcher in your neck of th woods.

Actually, I think Castillo is going to be about an exact clone of Blanco. .240/.290/.390 with a 40 CS%.

I don't think a .390 slugging percentage is a fair projection for Castillo. .240/.290/.440 is maybe more fair, if not particularly generous.

His minor's ISO is .151, but in a half a season last year at Iowa he had a .243. Just depends on whether you think that's sample size or a legitimate change in skill level, I guess.

Well, I'm probably more optimistic. He's 200 pounds, he swings hard, and he'll be turning 24 this year. It's reasonable to think that he could be developing power. It's also reasonable to doubt that power development until he reproduces it.

I hope he's not talking about his biceps... MLB's sanctioned Marlon Byrd blog.

http://marlonbyrd.mlblogs.com/

Last line in the Marlon Byrd blog:

and keep that excitement bottled up

MLB should consider testing that bottled stuff.

Sounds like the Cubs are lucky not to have traded for Zack Greinke, only because the Chicago media and fans would have overwhelmed him, based on how he avoids both as much as possible.

Rea the Milwaukee interview with him, it's interesting.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/11668312...

A couple of excerpts on his anxiety problems:

Greinke doesn't like talking to reporters, fans, or even teammates because 'it wastes time' he could be focusing on baseball.

Fans can be 'annoying' for their constant desire for autographs and player's time.

"“To talk to people, I have to spend energy talking to them,” he said. “If I expend my energy on talking to people and making friends, it takes away from the energy I could focus on getting ready to pitch. I try to avoid nonsense talk.

“It wears me out to do stuff like our meetings every day. If I actually listen to the person talking, it’ll wear me out. So I kind of go into a little daze. Then I’m still refreshed from it.”

..."I don’t like to go to dinner (with teammates) too much because sometimes that wears me out.”"

I'm not picking on the guy at all, I just think with his anxiety problems being in a smaller market like Milwaukee is better for him.

He sounds like he has Aspberger's.

* Average or above-average intelligence
* Difficulty with high-level language skills (reasoning, problem solving, being too literal)
* Lack of empathy
* Inability to see another person's point of view
* Problems engaging in "small talk"
* Lack of emotional control, particularly with anger, depression, and anxiety
* Strict adherence to routines which can lead to anxiety when something unexpected happens
* Extreme focus on a particular interest or hobby

probably would have never survived being a reliever if he had full blown Aspberger's...

nonetheless, probably something along those lines.

sounds like most of the regulars here...

Ha! Brilliant!

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/02/draft-p...

Sonny Gray a possible #1 pick in this year's draft, Cubs took him in 27th round in 2008 out of high school. Certainly won't get past the Cubs at #9 I'm guessing.

Phils' take at the time
http://www.thecubreporter.com/2008/06/06/cubs...

You know what would be an interesting study? To see whether going to college, financially, is a good or bad idea for these kids. For Gray, assuming his shoulder doesn't explode, it probably got him an extra $2 million in signing bonus... but it may have cost him $10 million in a year lost from his MLB career. It's really intriguing to me, but I suspect that the player almost always makes the "right" decision, because they get to what they really want to do - go to college or start trying to live like a grown-up at the age of 18.

White Sox GM Kenny Williams favors a work stoppage rather than see player salaries climb to $30 million per year...

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/02/...

...because it was so good for the sport last time that happened.

Don't draft Wainwright in your fantasy leagues. Probable TJ surgery.

http://twitter.com/dgoold/status/404142416304...

http://twitter.com/JoeStrauss/status/40419070...

The central gets a bit more interesting, imagine if they put up Pujols at the trading deadline.

Pujols has said he won't accept a trade this year.

Though if that trade came with a $280 MM extension, I imagine he might change his mind.

Awesome. I hope they have to amputate.

Not nearly as big of a deal as Wainwright, but more injuries hit Cards:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2011/news...

and Jeff Baker finds a new home...

http://talksportsphilly.com/wp-content/upload...

Inverted W strikes again... I am not sold, but I definitely won't be teaching my kid to throw like that.

Speculation linked from MLBTR is that they'll go after Millwood.

Aw shit, is he one of my keepers or did I trade him?

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Fuck it - tried to reply to Wainwright

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Fuck it again - I did reply

Signed through 2010... you are off the hook.

And btw, we're signing up prior-year teams for the tcr keeper spinoff league right now. You have to pay dues before you get invited this year... yeah... but I sent out the instructions. If you didn't get them check your spam folder. If you did get them but are sick of trying to figure out how contracts work, just ignore it. :-p

There will be at least three openings in our league, so if you are wanting to get into a keeper league, stay tuned, we'll announce that in a few weeks.

Because you have those handy documents I was able to figure out that I traded him last year for U Jimenez. I wonder what the odds are that he's able to repeat last year's success

BA's top 100 prospects is out. Used to be four Cubs, but now it's just two:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospect...

Archer #27
Jackson #38
McNutt #48
Hak-Ju Lee #92

BA takes a look at teams that were nearly as stacked as Royals are right now

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects...

Pssst...........I like McNutt better than Archer, and I think I'm not the only one. Archer has tremendous upside if he can ever harness his control, but does that EVER happen for a pitcher at this stage of his development? If he needs to become a reliever as a result, his value his much less. That's why I think McNutt deserves the nod, I'm glad the Cubs chose him over Archer if the Rays gave them that choice.

Vitters not ranked anymore, telling.......

I hear a lot about Archer needing to harness his control issues...
He K'ed 149, and walked 65 last year. 2.29 K/BB ratio

Dempster 2010: 2.42
Dempster Career: 1.83

Zambrano 2010: 1.70
Zambrano Career: 1.88

Garza 2010: 2.38
Garza Career: 2.23

This isn't like he K'd 125, walked 90....

Wells 2010: 2.29
Wells Career: 2.22

Silva 2010: 3.33
Silva Career: 2.33

That is the minor leagues, though

So? All we have is the body of work, that he has pitched so far. He's also 21 years old. He pitched 142 innings, and gave up only 102 hits to go with his walks, a 1.173 WHIP
Silva's K/BB ratio is stellar, but his career record is 70-70. His career WHIP is 1.373. So he doesn't walk a lot of guys, but he gives up a bunch of hits?
Zambrano's K/BB ratio in the minors? 1.77
Dempster's? 2.44

Heck the kid misses bats. He doesn't give up a ton of hits, and he seems to be improving.

Not saying he won't be good. You were comparing big league numbers to minor league numbers.

I am....because that's all we have to compare, for Archer. also...Dempster at 20-21, and Zambrano at 20-21...weren't much better than Archer is you look at their numbers.

I'm saying, I'll take a pitcher...who might walk a few more guys, but who will not give up the long ball, and won't give up a bunch of hits.

I'm also saying that it's not like Archer is 26 and doing this....he turns 22 this season. He also isn't striking out 110 walking 90.....then I'd be more worried.

might want to look at the BB/9 of those guys in the minors and then look at Archer's career and then back at those guys, then back at Archer...

he did improve last year, although regressed with the move to AA

Of course, Rob....let's also consider that he gives up fewer hits/9 innings too...and that he's only 21.
Would you rather have a guy who walks fewer people, but gives up more hits?
Archer also only gave up 6 HR in 142 innings last season, and 0 in 109 innings at Peoria the year before.

And I'd take a regression like that in AA:
70 innings, 2HR allowed, 48 hits, 67K/39BB. ..which is a regression from his time at Daytona... 8-2 with a 1.80 ERA.

His K/BB the last 2 seasons is 2.05. He's 22 this season.
Again, I like Garza, I think the Cubs have prospects to deal with trading Archer....but with all the pitching talent the Rays have developed, do you think they're not seeing something in Archer?

you asked why people were worried about his control and then brought up all the reasons beyond his control on why he's good, that no one really brought up or is arguing about.

I generally never look at H/9 myself, too many factors in there out of the pitchers control. Usually stick to BB, K and HR rates. No matter how many guys he K's or home runs he doesn't allow, if he's putting 5 guys per 9 innings on base, it'll get worse in the majors and he'll be pitching out of the stretch too much and throwing too many pitches to be an effective starter.

He may continue to improve, he may not...life of a prospect. The concerns over his control though are very legit, whether they come to fruition is why we watch and why they play the games.

I'm more curious why people harp on this....like he's a 26 year old no prospect who jsut went 10-10 in Hi-A ball?

He improved in Peoria in 2009...he improved last year. Shock, he regressed a little in AA, but overall he improved.

The Cubs have the depth to not miss Archer terribly...but sheesh....he's not Reggie Patterson or Derek Botelho either....the kid has skills.

I'm more curious why people harp on this

No matter how many guys he K's or home runs he doesn't allow, if he's putting 5 guys per 9 innings on base, it'll get worse in the majors and he'll be pitching out of the stretch too much and throwing too many pitches to be an effective starter.

if he can't be a starter, he's not as good a prospect

I hear this a lot and it never makes any sense to me. It's like there is some theory that walks in innings 1-6 are more likely to produce runs than walks in innings 7+... I am sure there's some sort of explanation about it, but Randy Johnson was not a reliever.

when in doubt bring up a Hall of Famer...

the theory is if you're giving up a lot of walks and then relying on strikeouts to get out of it, to still be effective enough to stay in the big leagues, you probably have to throw a lot of pitches. Then it will be up the organization on how patient they want to remain with 5-6 inning starter or if they think he should move to the pen.

I'm certainly not the first to suggest that Archer may be headed to the pen at some point for that very reason, doesn't mean it will happen.

Ok, Kerry Wood, Bobby Witt, Ryan Dempster and Kevin Brown weren't relievers... plus hundreds if not thousands of other guys. The talk about Archer being a reliever has more to do with people trying to CYA than anything about his walk rate - which is fine for a relatively young guy in high A and AA.

Dempster and Brown didn't walk as many as Archer in the minors though.

The list of pitchers that walked over 5 guys per 9 in the minors with any significant innings and were successful starters is gonna be a very short list. But there are always some exceptions....

I found 3 starters that qualified last year with a walk rate over 4 per 9 in the manjors. None over 5.

Sanchez, G. Gonzalez, CJ wilson all had significantly lower walk rates in the minors though.

Maybe the Rays will be super patient with him in the rotation if he continues to walk guys at a 4 to 5 per 9 rate, but it sure wouldn't be the norm.

And back to the original point, the concerns over his control, him being a good starter in the bigs are all very legit as you can see that guys that walk as many as Archers has so far and are successful starters is the exception, not the norm.

Yes, I agree, if you act likewalk rate is the only thing to go on, ignoring the fact that walks aren't as bothersome for groundball pitchers, that the pitcher's cotnrol is improving every year, that he doesn't allow HR's, strikes out more than a batter an inning, and if you just look at one thing you're right. In the real world with the rest of us, he projects as a #2 starter.

Garza gave up HR's at a six times the rate that Archer has, therefore he will unlikely reach the majors. If you look at the track record of guys who give up 1 HR per 9 inning in the minors, it's not very good.

From the person who says K rates for hitters are all that matters.

You've also resorted to just making stuff up now cause I guess I insulted your boy Archer.

Garza's hr rate was 0.6 in the minors. He was also a projected ace. No one seems to be doubting Archer's upside, there's just legit concerns on what may derail him reaching it.

Garza's not my boy, I am just trying to correct you when you spout bullshit, because people may think you know what you're talkinga bout.

Compare apples to apples. Let's talk abou their 21 seasons.

Just because you can't follow an discussion for 3 posts doesn't mean that I am making things up. Technically, his HR rate was 4.429 times that of Archer's = you win the internet.

Garza was not even in the top 100 BA prospect list until after he reached the majors, talking about making things up. Try not to be both a hypocrite and ignorant simultaneously.

I am not going to explain the K rate for hitters things to you a fourth time, let's just file that into the ever expanding "things that are too complicated for Rob G to understand" folder.

Garza's not my boy

I said Archer, try to follow a discussion from one comment up.

I am just trying to correct you when you spout bullshit,

you didn't correct anything, you're the one that made up shit.

because people may think you know what you're talkinga bout.
they may, they may not, I trust they can make up their own mind based on the merits of my arguments and evidence I use to support it. I'd venture an educated guess that most folks around here take more from my posts and comments than yours though.

Compare apples to apples. Let's talk abou their 21 seasons.

21 seasons?

Just because you can't follow an discussion for 3 posts doesn't mean that I am making things up.

you did make something up, Garza's HR/9 is 0.6 in the minors, you said If you look at the track record of guys who give up 1 HR per 9 inning in the minors, it's not very good.

Garza was not even in the top 100 BA prospect list until after he reached the majors, talking about making things up.

I didn't mention Garza in this post until replying to your comment. And I was never doing a compare and contrast of Garza vs. Archer.

I am not going to explain the K rate for hitters things to you a fourth time, let's just file that into the ever expanding "things that are too complicated for Rob G to understand" folder.

right next to why I still let Real Neal on this site despite everyone hating him.

Their age 21 seasons. Why are you bringing up Garza's age 22 season in comparison to Archer who hasn't had one yet? Oh, because you don't know what you're doing. Up until Garza's age 22 season, when he was not a TOP 100 PROSPECT (so at least ranked 63 spots below Archer at the SAME AGE), he didn't have a .6 HR/9 inning rate.

The funniest thing is that the minor league season that is shown to be a fluke was Garza's age 22 season, when he had an unsustainable HR/Flyball ratio and instead of looking at in in retrospect and seeing what it is, you still think Garza "was also a projected ace." He was projected to be an ace because people didn't understand that season was a fluke. You want to say that Archer's season 2010 season was a fluke control wise, but it just showed progression from his previous two years with allowing fewer walks (and HBP and WP).

Seriously man, you are way off base in everything regarding this topic. The personal attacks may make you feel good, but Tyler Colvin can still hit big league pitching and Chris Archer has shown to this point that he is a better prospect than the guy he was traded for in similar stages of their careers, regardless of your Voodoo logic regarding their walk rates.

Why are you bringing up Garza's age 22 season in comparison to Archer who hasn't had one yet?

because I didn't...

speaking of hypocrites, believe you were of the belief that age doesn't matter so much with pitching prospects?

Oh, because you don't know what you're doing.

if TRN says so, it must be true.

The personal attacks may make you feel good

I'm not sure where I personally attacked you other than pointing out some things about how you're perceived around here by others who comment and email me. Sorry if the truth hurts.

But no, it doesn't make me feel good. Very rarely I do get frustrated with someone's stubborness and inability to read and comprehend because they're too wrapped up in being right then listening(usually you) and say some stuff I probably shouldn't.

Do they make you feel good whenever you do them?

Seriously man, you are way off base in everything regarding this topic

Glad you think so, but despite what you've convinced yourself, I and I believe others, have not appointed you the decider on what is right or wrong.

Archer has shown to this point that he is a better prospect than the guy he was traded for in similar stages of their careers

if you say so, Archer did have his breakout season a year younger than Garza. I'll happily put $20 though on Garza having a better career than Archer even with the caveat that the bet is off if Archer's arm blows up.

As I believe Stevens so graciously put it, the last word can be yours as I'm done with this one.

Didn't say Archer isn't a legit prospect, I said that I think McNutt is a better one. If the Cubs were given the choice between the two to do the Garza trade, I think the Cubs made the right decision. We'll see if they're right soon enough.

McNutt is an inverted W.

Take a look at Archer, now those guys, now Archer, now those guys again. They don't look like Archer, but they could smell like Archer....

glad someone caught it...or acknowledged it at least

It made me laugh.

Zambrano as a 20 year old in AAA - 2.28
Dempster as a 21 year old in AA/AAA 2.11
Garza as a 21 year old in RK/A 4.24, but he gave up 8 HR's in 76 innings (Archer's given up 6 HR's in his last 251 innings).

Lee #92

BA and Arizona Phil are clearly not on the same page.

It might as well be a done deal.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_s...

MLB network spent a lot of money on a TV spot, needs more lens flares

Who was involved in that fisting celebration a few years back in the Cubs dugout? Was that Aramis doing the fisting? I couldn't find it on YouTube or other internets. I would like to watch that again.

Wow. I don't even have sarcasm to add to this.

All hail Cesar!

believe it was coined the reverse chalupa

we have a winrar.

"This image or video violated our terms of use."??!! FU photobucket. I spent a whole 5 minutes making that.

don't worry...i think it's permanently burnt into the retinas of anyone who viewed it.

My mom will be proud.

I remember that. It was surreal.

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