Cubs Relieve Locker Room Crowd with 18 Cuts

The Cubs dropped their spring training roster down to 40 today by optioning and assigning 18 players to the minors.

To the list...

RHP: Robert Coello, Thomas Diamond, Alberto Cabrera, Rafael Dolis, Kyle Smit, Chris Carpenter, Trey McNutt, Jay Jackson

LHP: Scott Rice

C: Steve Clevenger, Chris Robinson

INF: Bryan LaHair, Marquez Smith, Josh Vitters

OF: Jim Adduci, Brett Jackson, Lou Montanez, Brad Snyder

They join Esmailin Caridad and John Gaub who were optioned last week. Marquez Smith is the only one that I'm surprised by, but it was a longshot for him to make the team anyway.

That leaves 20 pitchers, four catchers, 10 infielders and six outfielders. The NRI's that are still in camp include:

Todd Wellemeyer, Braden Looper, Angel Guzman, Matt Camp, Scott Moore, Augie Ojeda, Bobby Scales and Reed Johnson

And the rest of the current spring training roster:

C: Soto, Hill, Castillo, M. Ramirez

INF: Pena, Baker, Dewitt, Castro, Barney, A. Ramirez

OF: Soriano, Colvin, Fukudome, Byrd, Perez

SP: Zambrano, Dempster, Garza, Wells, Silva, Cashner, Coleman, J. Russell

RP: Marmol, Wood, Marshall, Grabow, Samardzija, Maine, Stevens, J. Berg, Mateo


brief by Neyer on looming 2nd base platoon


"Anyway, this is probably a good thing for the Cubs. Neither DeWitt nor Baker will hit much, but platooning them does accentuate what they can do. Particularly if Quade goes all the way and exchanges DeWitt for Baker in the field when the Cubs are ahead late in games."

Odd, I think Baker is the slightly better fielder of the two. Neither are gold glovers but I can't see DeWitt having a reputation around the league of being a good fielding second baseman.

You know when I read that I thought he meant the other way around. I think Baker is slightly better at second, but both are bad. It would make the most sense to put Barney in late in games for both of them.

I think you're right, if I re-read that he could just as easily be saying put Baker in late in the game. Barney does make more sense though.

It probably makes more sense to just let Baker play everyday and see what he does. I think his average wouldn't be great, but he will have more pop against rhp than DeWitt. Maybe Baker puts up something like .260/15/60 rbi or better, which is probably better than what a platoon of him and DeWitt combines to do.

If I thought that the Cubs were going to contend I'd worry more about it, but I think it actually makes sense to see if DeWitt's swing will finally turn into production this year. If it doesn't, get rid of him, if it does, he'll be a fairly cheap starter for 2012 when the FA money is blown on Pujols or Fielder.

This appears to finalize the Cubs' six infielders for opening day roster. I can't say that I am in love with any of them.

Oops... didn't realize that the list you posted did not include the NRIs still in camp... Never mind...

it doesn't?

You've got "Matt Camp, Scott Moore, Augie Ojeda, Bobby Scales" listed as still with the team. Bobby Scales, backup shortstop. That would be awesome.

Submitted by The Real Neal on Tue, 03/15/2011 - 12:32pm.
You've got "Matt Camp, Scott Moore, Augie Ojeda, Bobby Scales" listed as still with the team. Bobby Scales, backup shortstop. That would be awesome.


REAL NEAL: Believe it or not, Bobby Scales has actually looked very good this Spring. He has been hitting everything in sight, and he even made a couple of really nice plays at 2B (which is his one and only decent defensive position).

Back in the 1960's when AZ Phil was a Little Fart and MLB teams had ten-man pitching staffs and a seven-man bench, guys like Bobby Scales could make a living as a late-inning ace-in-the-hole PH (like Manny Mota, Smoky Burgess, et al). But I just can't see a path for Scales to make the Cubs Opening Day 25-man roster right now, although I fully expect him to get another September call-up.

I think Scott Moore makes the team if Soriano, Byrd, Colvin, Fukudome, Pena, A. Ramirez, DeWitt, or Baker start the season on the DL (or during the regular season if any of the eight go on the DL), and Matt Camp has to either beat-out Perez or Johnson for the 5th OF gig or Barney and Ojeda for the back-up mid-INF slot, but he's third in line at both slots, although both Perez and Johnson have been mediocre (so far), and Ojeda has a bad back.

Max Ramirez makes the team only if Soto or Hill start the season on the DL (otherwise he gets claimed off waivers if the Cubs try to outright him to AAA), and I believe W. Castillo gets optioned to Iowa no matter what he hits in Cactus League games, and then W. Castillo gets recalled if something happens to Soto or Hill during the regular season (after M. Ramirez has departed).

I meant that, where you list the infielders, it does not list the NRIs that are infielders...

caliis tweet...

Still there. #Cubs think he'll break out in 2011, others less optimistic. Important year. @kochusker: Vitters potential & tools still there?

Your last three RP pitchers being around when Diamond goes down is a bit of a surprise to me - I guess it means they want Diamond to continue starting? If Coleman, Berg or Mateo is on the opening day roster, project 82 may be in serious jeopardy.

I wonder if Camp has a legitimate shot at that last bench spot - if the Cubs decide that they prefer Barney getting full time AB's at Iowa, similar to Castillo. Brenley was waxing poetic about Camp's scrappiness the other day.

Russell makes the team over those three, don't you think?

I would guess so, though he faded a bit down the stretch last year. Unless I am counting incorrectly, those three, Stevens and Russel are all going down/away, unless Grabow isn't ready to go, or Cashner loses the job to Silva and they send him to Iowa to start.

my guess...

Demp, Z, Garza, Wells, Silva - Cashner to Iowa

Marmol, Wood, Marshall, Grabow, Maine, Samardzija, Wellemeyer (swing man/long relief)

also could see it Stevens making the team and them cutting Ninja loose, Ninja's having a hard time justifying his spot at this point. If Grab-Ass isn't ready, then a spot opens of course..

Cashner makes the team no matter what, IMHO.


my feeling is Cubs are a little more determined to keep him as a starter this year, but don't want to eat Silva's contract either. Silva to the pen and Cashner to the rotation I suppose is possible, but haven't really heard that as an option.

"Silva to the pen and Cashner to the rotation I suppose is possible"

This or Silva gets traded.

ROB G - what's your thinking on "Welly" over "Loopy"?

And, should I pick UCLA in any of my brackets?

the battle of two good tourney coaches

flip a coin is my advice...

"[Russell] faded a bit down the stretch last year."

Not my recollection, and looking at the game logs, he had one bad outing in on Sept 5 in an 18-5 loss to Mets, giving up 5 hits and 5 runs in 2/3 inning.

Otherwise, his Sept-Oct numbers were 6.2 innings, 3 hits, 1 run, 0 walks, 4 strikeouts.

Chris Davis wants a spot or a trade from Rangers

I'm sure they'd ask for Brett Jackson, McNutt and Cashner in any deal.

Humorous comment below the Chris Davis article--

What team wants a 1B with sub .200 averages?

raised hand over here

I'd tell Texas people in hell want ice water from what I've heard.

Texas seems to be a bit unrealistic about the relative value of their players. I understand the mindset of wanting to get as much as you can in a trade, but expecting so much that it virtually guarantees no other teams will be interested tends to defeat the purpose of trying to trade the player in the first place.

I've gotten a strong impression over the last year that the Texas organization is very poorly run. I know they had playoff success last year, but their GM seems to be very unprofessional, and so has Nolan Ryan, surprisingly.

I'm not sure I understand Jon Daniels' approach. From what I hear, he's well-respected around baseball, but it seems he has tripped over his own feet a few times over the past year.

The whole thing with Chuck Greenberg leaving the organization was pretty weird. I'd be interested to know the whole story behind that move.

A friend of mine from high school is an exec with the Rangers. For his sake, I hope they are able to get their act together.

Is .327/.378/.415 (and 108 runs) out of your leadoff hitter really "thoroughly unhelpful"? Seems like the Cubs could use that kind of shitty performance.

probably not, is that Juan Pierre's line from whatever year he was talking about?

Yeah. He focused on the average and said Pierre was thoroughly unhelpful. We get his point, but that's a little hyperbolic.

poor example, must have sorted by Batting Average (.327) and OPS+(89), but not really fair when Bonds and Co. were right in the midst of their roiding prowess.

Also had that year in Colorado when he had a nearly identical year in Florida in 2004 that was a 107 OPS+. Hard to see how much Colorado helps Juan Pierre much, except maybe a triple or two.

You sound like Dusty Baker! Did Posnanski mean "in general" he was an unhelpful player? 2.2 offensive WAR and about 3.5 his first year with the Marlins... if he had a year like that with the Cubs maybe the Nolasco deal wouldn't have quite the same sting.

"Juan Pierre hit .327 in 2001 and led the league in stolen bases and was a thoroughly unhelpful offensive player."

Plus he had 11 triples. I mean...yeah, it's Pierre, we know his deal. But that's not thoroughly unhelpful. I'm not bashing his overall thesis, just that line...for the sake of no reason other than it struck me as a bit off.

Particualry when at the bottom of the article he goes on to trumpet wOBA and says league average is .330 (Pierre's was .353 that season).

I don't know why, but I find these numbers fascinating

... In 2010, pitchers posted a combined 1.96 ERA in wins, and 7.69 in losses. At the height of scoring in 2000, the numbers were 2.39 and 8.53; at the nadir in 1968, they were 1.36 and 5.22.

Does that mean the average margin of winning last year was about 5.5 runs? That seems hard to believe, and I watched the Cubs last year.

It would have to. The average number of runs scored per game is around 9.5 from year to year. So if the losers score around 2 then the winners score 7.5/

split-squad today

Randy Wells versus the Rockies

Cashner against the A's

Cashner immediately gives up a double and a single to Coco and Barton.

-edit- Both swung at the first pitch as does Willingham, Cashner gets out of the inning without further damage

Don't these pitchers get any scouting reports in ST?

I highly doubt they spend a lot of time on scouting reports especially against an AL team.

also possible that gameday is off with their pitch counts

1-2-3 for Cashner in the 2nd

3 scoreless by Wells already against Rox

Wells gives up a run on 2 singles and a sac fly in the 4th

Cashner with 2 runners on and 1 out in the third

-edit- but gets Hideki to GIDP

Don't understand the A's as sexy pick for this year.(MLB Network)

They have pitching, but how the hell are they going to score runs?

Cashner done after 3.2, McNutt in vs. A's

3.2 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 2 K, 1 HBP

two singles, a double steal, a sac fly and error by Soriano lead to two Rockies runs, 3-0 in the 5th

assuming Wells is done after 5

5 IP, 3 HR, 2 ER, 1 BB, 2 K today's error news against Rox: E7 on Soriano, throw, allowing a second run to come in off a SAC FLY!


UPDATE: In OAKLAND game E2 on Max Ramirez when throw goes into the OF allowing Jai Miller to take 3rd!


Brett Jackson goes yard...

Brett Jackson Home Run



Which game?

vs. A's and Brett Anderson


Blake DeWitt joins the error party

Colvin and W. Castillo go deep back-to-back in A's game, 4-1 Cubs

Cashner, McNutt, Rice pitched so far

J. Berg gives up another run in Rox game, 4-1 Rox

Who's this W. Castillo guy?
as he ropes another extra base hit breaking the game wide open

Meanwhile, back in Mudville

Call strike 3! Koyie Hill ( 0/2 .043 ) strikes out with his bat on his shoulder to end a Cub rally and the game.

Yeah, they better keep Hill because this Castillo can't hit (.692 BA is nothing) and can't throw anyone out (oh wait, another CS today).

Castillo, however, doesn't add any MPH to the pitcher's fastballs.

i wonder what role the cubs think wellington is capable of...

he's young so his bat could come around to starter quality, but it doesn't seem likely with the avg/ob% part of his play even with a bit of pop in his bat.

dunno how long they want to pay soto to play C with average D and a bat that will cost them a lot of money in 2012/2013...especially 2013.

if they actually want to play the fielder/pujols game they might see soto as a tradable/expendable part with wellington taking over C duties in 2012.

pure speculation at this point...but for a guy who, as of now, projects as a backup catcher with strong D they don't seem too interested in that role for him in 2011.

can't they just employ Koyie Hill as the bullpen catcher?

Koyie can call the game from the dugout when Castillo plays and save us from watching him hit.

You know, I always thought it was Dusty's preference to keep one or two useless guys on the bench, but now it's becoming clear that he wasn't the main culprit on that one. Robinson Chirinos is scuffling along at .429 .500 .905 down in Florida.

Cubs scrubs break it open vs. A's - 8-1

damage off of former Cub minor leaguer Jon Hunton and nobody Willie Eyre

Rox win 4-2 in the other game.

Jesus. Scott Eyre really lost everything. First his money, then his first name.

Clearly the work of Michael Barrett.....

He lost his first name when Piniella called him Stevie.

piece on Vitters and video with interviews of Vitters, B. Jackson and McNutt

great headline by Aaron Gleeman

Ron Washington wants experienced closer to replace Neftali Feliz, who had zero experience before 40 saves

Well based on what they think is fare trade for Michael Young, we should probably be able to get their entire system for Marmol, or half of it for Wood.

Marcos Mateo has not pitched since a week ago Sunday (nearly ten days).

BTW, the earliest a player can be placed on the 15-day DL is nine days prior to MLB Opening Day, which is next Tuesday (March 22). Nine days prior to Opening Day (March 22 in 2011) is also the furthest back a player's 15-day DL stint can be backdated.

A player can be placed on the 60-day DL anytime after the start of Spring Training in February, as long as the club's roster is full and the player who is placed on the 60-day DL is replaced on the club's 40-man MLB roster with another player.

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  • has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?”

    crunch 20 min 43 sec ago view
  • I agree -- I think if you are a soft-tosser, you need a track record before you are taken seriously. If Kyle posts sub-3.00 ERA consistently and wins 15+ games a few times (and pitches more innings), he may have a shot at the award in a few years. Hopefully, he gets in the top 5 this year -- would be deserved and a nice boost for his confidence.

    billybucks 45 min 26 sec ago view
  • It's also possible that the Cubs have no intention of recalling Spencer Patton. Perhaps Maddon has seen enough of him, and Patton will eventually be one of the players cut to make room for others who will be added to the 40 in September.

    Arizona Phil 47 min 16 sec ago view
  • I doesn't know what your talking about.

    Sonicwind75 51 min 50 sec ago view
  • Maybe it's to get him some game action. He's only pitched for the Cubs once in the last 10 days. I don't really care much about him going down since he's sucked when up here.

    I really want Rivero to be called up.

    chitownmvp01 56 min 58 sec ago view
  • CHITOWNMVP01: It is indeed odd that the Cubs did not just wait one more day to recall LaStella.

    As far as Spencer Patton is concerned...

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 5 min ago view
  • Why didn't they wait until tomorrow to call up TLS? Don't they have to wait 10 days to bring Patton back up now?

    chitownmvp01 1 hour 26 min ago view
  • Cubs assigned to Mesa Solar Sox (AFL):

    Victor Caratini, C
    James Farris, RHRP
    Ian Happ, 2B-OF
    Eloy Jimenez, OF
    Ryan McNeil, RHRP
    Steve Perakslis, RHRP
    Duane Underwood Jr, RHSP

    Brian Lawrence, Pitching Coach

    Jimenez, Happ, Caratini and Underwood are among the Cubs Top 10 Prospects, and playing in the AFL should help speed their development.

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 8 sec ago view
  • Outstanding.

    Jackstraw 2 hours 12 min ago view
  • So presuming he remains on the MLB Active List for the balance of the MLB regular season, Tommy LaStella will be at 2+102 MLB Service Time at the end of the season, far short of what he would have needed to accrue to have a chance at "Super Two" status post-2016. (Even if he had remained on the MLB Active List for the entire season and finished at 2+124 MLB Service Time, he still would have only been "on the bubble" for possible "Super Two" status post-2016).

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 48 min ago view
  • I don't know about the defensive part of the equation, the fact all the Cubs pitchers are so ahead of their FIP makes me think it's a lot more defense than anything special Hendricks is doing.

    Rob G. 2 hours 52 min ago view
  • Thanks, jacos! I love a good Alice Cooper group performance video -- especially when it corresponds with a shrinking, division-clinching magic number!

    JoePepitone 2 hours 52 min ago view
  • TLS up and playing second today. Spencer Patton to Iowa to make room.

    Rob Richardson 3 hours 26 min ago view
  • Yeah that article describes what I said in my other post about WAR. BR WAR is fine as a snapshot but FG is a better predictor of future performance.

    I also get what you mean by FIP being independent of luck but my point is all the soft contact Hendricks gives up negates a lot of that luck and defense aspect. In other words I believe he could pitch in front of any defense and have similar #s because for the most part he isn't giving up the screaming liners or hard hit liners to the gap.

    johann 3 hours 30 min ago view
  • Down on the farm:

    "Dealin'" Cease with another good outing for Eugene. Last 4 outings: 16IP, 1ER 29K. But, 10BB. Throw strikes, kid.

    Candelario is killing it at Iowa after struggling at AA: .320/.406/.941 in 241AB. At age 22. Where the heck to put him next year?

    billybucks 4 hours 33 min ago view
  • SF now only 1 game ahead of the Cards for home field in the WC game.

    billybucks 4 hours 44 min ago view