Mike Quade could be a little more pro.

 

So, this thing Mike Quade did during game #2 of the Cubs/Red Sox series.
The beanball "two to one" thing with the fingers, gesturing across the diamond - did you see that?
Kinda bothersome.

Before I start, do not misunderstand me, because there was nothing as awful as when then Cub manager Jim Riggleman publicly said that Cub pitchers were not allowed ever to retaliate for a beaning of a Cub by beaning a guy from another team.
I get the whole payback thing, and while it's a mighty dangerous game within the game, for Riggleman to take that away was silly. 

So, game 2, Cubs at Sox.
Starts off with Alfredo Aceves plunking Kosuke Fukudome in the leg.
Not surprising since it's Aceves' first start.
Then in the second came the horrific fastball to the face of Marlon Byrd (and now he's on the DL with facial fractures).

In the 5th, Carlos Zambrano hits Kevin Youkilis in the leg area, the ump immediately warns Boston that no more hitting batters with pitches will be allowed.
Cut to Quade, though.
He stands up and holds up his fingers to indicate "two to one".

Now, the announcers went into depth about this during game 3 after Kerry Wood hit Jed Lowrie.
(Well, he tried to hit him, and on the next pitch he did hit him.)
They replayed the video of Quade doing the "two to one" thing, and said something like Quade was clearly saying you hit two guys to our one. 

Whether or not he was gesturing to the umpires or to the Boston bench, I can't figure anything else Quade could have been "two to one-ing" about, so that bugs me.

It feels completely bush.

Everybody in the park knew that at some point Carlos was gonna ding somebody. 
Retaliation in baseball happens.
But if you're a professional manager, even if you're caught up in the emotion of your guy getting hit in the face, you don't "two to one".
Especially on the most hyped series of the weekend with millions watching and extra cameras around.

You wait for the reporter to ask the inevitable question after the game: "Did you retaliate when Zambrano hit Youkilis?"
And then you say, "Looked to me like it got away from him. You'll have to ask Carlos." 

Let it be a player thing.
A Big League manager, no matter his real role in the thing, is better off staying out of it in public.
I mean, one of the good things about Quade is his no bs style, but still..
There's supposed to be at least one grown-up in the dugout.

ps: I drew it backwards. Sorry.

Comments

Maybe I didn't see it correctly, but I thought Quade did the 2-for-1 thing to the umpire after he gave the warning to both benches. You know, like "They've hit two to our one, why are we being warned?"

Well, they're being warned because that's the rule... Just one more reason this guy and Hendry should be fired.

Well, let me rephrase, he probably wasn't asking why they were warned but was just pointing out that the Sox had hit two Cubs to that point. I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows the rules.

There is no rule that both teams or even a team HAS to be warned. It's not automatic. 8.02(d): "If, in the umpire’s judgment, such a violation occurs, the umpire MAY elect" to eject players or issue a warning or warnings.

Then maybe it's an unwritten rule. What you quote doesn't say anything about whether an umpire warns both teams. Have never seen it where one team gets warned and not the other.

Yes, both teams, but again no rule that an umpire HAS to do anything. If he thinks it was a curve that didn't break, he can do nothing. It's all up to him. He can also let one and one happen and do nothing and hope it stops, etc. Here is the full text if you are interested:

(d) Intentionally Pitch at the Batter.
If, in the umpire’s judgment, such a violation occurs, the umpire may elect either to:
1. Expel the pitcher, or the manager and the pitcher, from the game, or
2. may warn the pitcher and the manager of both teams that another such pitch
will result in the immediate expulsion of that pitcher (or a replacement) and
the manager.

So, I was right, and Quade didn't know the rule.

"2. may warn the pitcher and the manager of both teams that another such pitch."

It's not like they're going to warn the Red Sox for retaliating when they didn't have anything to retaliate to, anyway. Did Dip Quade really think that the Cubs were going to be allowed to plunk two guys before they got warned? What has he been doing the last 15 years?

As I said earlier (the second time), I think he was just pointing out to the umpire the inequity (in his mind, anyway). There really wasn't anything to suggest that Quade didn't know WHY he was being warned. I didn't mean to imply that in my first comment.

As usual, I don't follow your logic. From watching the video you are able to deduce that Quade thinks that just the Red Sox should be warned and is protesting the warning coming to the Cubs. So you then assert that he doesn't know the rules of major league baseball.

The idea that a manager would give a verbal protest against an umpire's judgment call that restricts his own pitchers for the rest of the game never enters your mind. Christ. Virtually every time warnings are issued in baseball both managers throw their arms in the air or something similar and act like the ump shouldn't do it.

There are plenty of real problems with Quade to complain this year without making up weird assertions that he doesn't know the rules of the game.

If the umpire rules that the pitch was retalition what was Quade's possible motivation for doing the 2-1 finger thing?

Was he saying that he should be allowed to plunk two guys (on national television no less) before getting warned? What else could he have been saying?

I don't understand how you could possibly look at the evidence and come to the conclusion that he was behaving normally, or has an even casual grasp of the rule in question.

It's not what other managers do. What other managers do is protest that the warning pitch wasn't intentional, not that they should be able to order more players injured. How could you possibly not know that or figure it out unless you're just trolling?

Ignorance and Bush League, all combined into one, I present to you, Dick Quade.

Nitpicking... Does anyone really give a rat's ass about this?

Nope. Much ado about nothing.

It's just another illustration in the continuing string of idiocy that comes from this guy. Is it a big deal? No. Does it further illustrate that he's not qualified? Yes.

I believe they only warned Boston.
I couldn't find a replay, but here's part of the photo caption on ESPN: Manager Mike Quade #8 of the Chicago Cubs reacts to the home plate umpire's warning in the fifth inning against the Boston Red Sox on May 21, 2011 at Fenway Park in Boston, Massachusetts.
http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/photos?gameId=3...

As Neal pointed out, both teams get warned. And all the caption says is that he's reacting to the warning. Not sure how that would imply only one team was warned.

Pretty sure a warning applies to both teams.

Of course hitting youkilis there made no sense with a man on and Ortiz up next who already went deep. I believe he had a chance to nail Gonzalez earlier with 2 out and no one on.

I believe he had a chance to nail Gonzalez earlier with 2 out and no one on.

That's something that LaRusa likes to do, but only in the 9th of the final game of the year... or maybe it was Cox.

Just a couple of points of information about the Cubs bringing up Lou Montanez from Iowa...

Montanez does have two minor league options left, and even the need to first secure Optional Assignment Waivers won't kick-in until August 5th (the 3rd anniversary of Montanez being added to an MLB 25-man roster for the first time), so the Cubs can move him easily back-and-forth between Chicago and Des Moines without having to deal with waivers.

Also, RHP Brian Schlitter (forearm strain) has already spent 60+ days on the 15-day DL, so he can just be transferred to the 60-day DL to make room for Montanez on the 40-man roster. (Schlitter isn't even throwing yet).

Andrew Cashner will reach 60 days on the 15-day DL a week from Sunday, and with him being shut-down indefinitely, he could be moved to the 60-day DL at any time if an additional slot on the 40-man roster is needed at some point in the near future.

And after that (further down the line), the two most-likely outright candidates are OF Fernando Perez and RHP Esmailin Caridad.

How can Montanez get all those options?

Lou only spent two options with Baltimore, none with Cubs the first time. I guess his options stay intact even after he becomes a 6 yr Minor League FA

It seems amazing to me that the guy who was drafted that long ago and was called up to the majors that long agao still has options. Good for us... I guess.

Submitted by The Real Neal on Tue, 05/24/2011 - 10:07am.
How can Montanez get all those options?

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REAL NEAL: Montanez was added to a 40-man roster for the first time in his career in August 2008. No minor league option was used that year.

In 2009 he was optioned to the minors out of Spring Training, but was recalled prior to spending the first 20 days of the MLB season in the minors on optional assignment. He later ended up on the DL (first on the 15, then transferred to the 60). No option was used in 2009 either. (And he got credit for a full year of MLB Service Time in 2009).

Last season he was optioned to the minors and then later was outrighted. So he did use an option (his first one) in 2010.

Therefore, he has two minor league options left, and he has accrued 2+003 (two years and three days) of MLB Service Time coming into the 2011 season.

Did Montanez only get called up because of some kind of rule regarding how much time Colvin has to spend at AAA after getting sent there, or has Colvin really fallen that far in the minds of the Cubs front office (given Montanez's start in RF tonight)?

5. A player who is optioned to the minors generally must remain on optional assignment for at least ten days. The only exceptions are if the player is recalled to replace a player on the 25-man roster who is placed on the Disabled List or the Bereavement List, or if the player's minor league season is over, or if the player is traded.

http://www.thecubreporter.com/cubs-40-man-roster (AZ PHIL is great!)

They DL'd Byrd Sunday and Garza today (but that was a retroactive move), so I'm thinking they didn't think Colvin was squared away yet.

"Has Colvin really fallen that far in the minds of the Cubs front office . . ."

Funny question. Colvin was hitting .113 with the Cubs. If Pena was "below the Mendoza line" last year with .196, then what is .113? Colvin earned his seat on the bench and his demotion.

Nice thing about having some talent in the organization for a change is that if one guys blows it, someone else is waiting in line. To get back to the Cubs, Colvin will have to compete successfully with Montanez (.369 at Iowa), Campana (.342) and also Flaherty and Jackson, who are making strong bids themselves.

Have I mentioned that I love Colvin? But like most young players, he requires tough love.

Uh..Montanez is 29....and is roster filler.
Colvin hit 20 HR's last year..in the majors. Gettting to play April5-April 15th regularly...then sporadically i'm sure didn't help any- 3 starts from April 15-May 13. Sending him down to get AB's was the right move. But geez...let's not bury him yet? I hope that he comes back and gets a chance to play.

That said....I sure like the season Flaherty, Ridling, and LeMahieu are all having at AA.....

Not sure about the concept of roster filler. For most of the retreads at Iowa, there's got to be some theory of how they could help the major-league team.

For example, if you want a righty hitter who can play right field in place of Baker, who is there besides Montanez? Perez is hitting .195. Ha plays a nice right field at Tennessee, but he arrived two weeks ago to sub for Jackson.

Anyway, I agree that Colvin needs at bats, but he may need quite a few of them, and he needs to be somewhere where they don't care how many days in a row he goes oh-for-four. He's in the right environment now.

I agree with whoever said that Vitters and Colvin are alike. (Maybe it was Wilken when he drafted Vitters!) Great swings, they put the bat on the ball. Neither one has any clue what the pitcher is doing or trying to do. Dim bulbs?

It's a nice story that Lou Montanez had a nice game last night...but he's a AAAA player....
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whatever, we agree, to disagree. Excellent. Go Cubs.

I feel a winnig streak coming.

No word on Garza's MRI or Cashner's visit to Yocum?

"I feel a winnig streak coming."

Is your arthritis acting up again?

"I feel a winnig streak coming."
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You won't get on tv that way... by streaking like the guy during the game vs the Marlins

Of course if they do show you streaking on tv and if they aren't laughing, now thats a winning streak!

Neal, I know some people over at the Cubs. When the time comes to hire a new manager and/or GM, I'd be happy to get them your resume.

Thanks Tito. I, unlike the current holders of those positions, am able to admit that I am not qualified. It's really stunning to see how unprepared Quade was for the job, though.

I'd love to be an analyst for the Cubs, but I hear the pay is crap, and I doubt they actually employ any. I am a Cubs fan, but that much of one that I want to make $50K a year.

In all honesty, I know you liked the last manager, and maybe you've got to deal with Quade, but he seems to be bad at everything, doesn't he? He screwed up the Silva deal, he doesn't know how and when to use the bullpen, he screws up the lineup, he doesn't seem to understand how luck plays into outcome for baseball games, and now as mentioned, is a little shaky on the rules. Oh, yeah, and the team is playing like crap, managerial decisions aside.

Is that not an objective take?

So you don't think you could do a better job of managing/general managing the Cubs than Quade/Hendry? My mistake. Let me know if you change your mind, though.

I think I could do a better job than Hendry. Me and probably 2 million other Cubs fans. Hendry is a bit of a buffoon. You need some "cred" to be a big league manager.

Your question sort of makes me wonder which organization you've been following.

Note that I didn't say no one could do a better job.

you're getting into manny territory in this thread.

Now that one hurt.

"He screwed up the Silva deal, he doesn't know how and when to use the bullpen, he screws up the lineup, he doesn't seem to understand how luck plays into outcome for baseball games, and now as mentioned, is a little shaky on the rules."

sigh...

i saw him stumble out of the dugout after a win once...he obviously has gross motor skill deficiencies and should wear a helmet full time to keep from hurting himself and others.

Which one of those things do you disagree with?

i saw him stumble out of the dugout after a win once...he obviously has gross motor skill deficiencies and should wear a helmet full time to keep from hurting himself and others.

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lol

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chicago/chat/...

and where we see a reporter desperate not to lose his best source...

Even without high hopes for the season, I've been very disappointed. Do you see a major overhaul of upper management if this season continues as it has started?

Tom Ricketts has to look at himself first and know you deducted $16M from the payroll. Jim Hendry was forced to trade Tom Gorzelanny to have enough money to pay Carlos Pena. So look in the mirror first if you're ownership, and if you're Hendry and his people, decide when it's time to pull the plug on 2011. Obviously, it's a little too early.

Where did the $16M come from? I don't recall it being that steep of a cut.

And he takes the Soriano deal one step further than Kenney just adding an extra year or two.

Hendry did not sign Soriano. That was management above Hendry who signed that deal when Jim was on an airplane. Refer your regrets to them.

anyway, says Garza to DL is very possible.

Interesting in that it was the $5 million to Pena and not the $6 million to Garza (you know the guy who was taking Gorze's rotation spot) which forced the trade.

I think someone needs to check the water around Wrigley for lead. We're a couple months from Ricketts playing fiddle in the owner's box as the stadium collapses around the couple thousand fans who still show up.

Since I refuse to join Facebook, pure evil, just to correct Bruce "Dr. Typo" Levine, I'll just call him a lying bastard here.

Chris DeLuca covered the whole thing when it happened and here's some of what he said (the article costs $2.95 to read from the archives these days).

~~snip~~By 2006, the injury-plagued Cubs were a mess, and Baker clearly wasn't the answer. This was tough territory for Hendry, who firmly believed the Cubs had found a manager who would win for years.

The decision to go in another direction was made in July. This was one of the low points of the Hendry era.

''In fairness to Dusty, Connie Mack wouldn't have won a great majority of the games the last couple of months,'' Hendry said. ''I didn't make the decision I made on Dusty because we didn't play well in August or September. It was just something I felt we had to do to move forward.

''It wasn't an easy thing to do, and I certainly should share a large portion of the responsibility when things don't go well. I'm not one of these guys who puts it on somebody else or will finger-point to him and say, 'Gee, everything else was great. It's your fault.' That's not the case. It was something I thought about a long time. It was one of those things that was wearing on me, but in the end, I felt it was the direction we had to go.''

And he felt equally as strong that Piniella was the right man to rescue the Cubs -- and ultimately Hendry's career.

During the Cubs' organizational meetings in October, the wish list was clear. Hire Piniella, re-sign Ramirez and sign Alfonso Soriano to be the new center fielder and leadoff hitter. Also, add two starting pitchers.

Lou helped land Soriano

But the Cubs had a similar road map a year earlier that centered around acquiring free-agent shortstop/leadoff hitter Rafael Furcal. Those plans never fell together, and the Cubs were left with an incomplete team.

This offseason, Piniella was the key to the puzzle.

''When we left the organizational meetings with our plan, you can't say, 'Oh, we're going to go get Soriano,' like that's going to happen,'' Hendry said. ''I don't think we really were in the top five or six of [Soriano's] choices originally. We had a lot of ground to make up.''

Enter Piniella and a clandestine meeting in a South Florida hotel room on Dec. 6.

''I give Lou a lot of the credit,'' Hendry said. ''I could tell when we left that hotel room that day, we had a chance. I could tell that there was a real good early click between [Soriano] and Lou.''

~~snip~~

So, it's clear that Hendry wanted to sign Soriano. He was able to sign Lou by telling him he had a pile of money with which to add players and Lou was the key to getting Soriano.

This article also makes it clear that it was Hendry's idiotic plan to use Soriano as the center fielder (where he almost immediately hurt himself and hasn't been the same speedster since).

Just a tip, you don't have to join Facebook to read/contact Bruce Levine.

you're doing a great job of adding nothing to this blog tito.

More or less than your Ricketts/Wilken vendettas?

And the Levine tip was genuine. I don't know why you thought you had to join Facebook to correct him.

Nice!

More objectively, why is DeLuca a more credible source than Levine? Do you think it's possible that Hendry wanted to sign Soriano but not to an eight year deal? Of course, had he signed him to a six year deal, he'd still be around.

I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure in that the first position they were going to play Soriano was in right, citing the fact that they needed a right fielder (after the Jones signing) and that he was more used to seeing the ball from that side of the field.

They also tried him in center, don't remember which was first.

Soriano never played RF, was never rumored to play RF, was never pitched to play RF. He played 1 year in LF with the Nats, bitching about moving off 2b at the beginning. Then when he became a free agent the Cubs came up with this brilliantly stupid plan that Soriano could play CF, having never played a game there in his life, and being a horrible defensive player at every position he ever had played. Whether the CF thing was Lou's idea or Hendry's, I don't know, but they started talking about Soriano playing CF here before we signed him.

They had to outbid other teams (I think the Angels were the other top bidder) to get him, adding at least 1 year, perhaps 2, to their offer, rumored to be encouraged by John McDonaugh to sign a star player at all costs.

Then they talked about Sori playing CF the entire off season, then he played CF like crap in spring training and the debate was on. Piniella refused to acknowledge Sori was a horrible CF all through spring training. Then when the season started, Sori played all of 12 games in CF before Piniella pulled the plug and moved him to LF. Through the first 12 games of 2007, Matt Murton and Cliff Floyd split LF while Jacque Jones was the starting RF. When Lou finally conceded Soriano couldn't play CF, Jones became the default CF and Floyd got the majority of playing time in RF since Lou decided Murton couldn't play defense, which is idiotic since he was and is a far better defensive player than Soriano.

"Lou decided Murton couldn't play defense, which is idiotic since he was and is a far better defensive player than Soriano."

Tallest midget

Murton wasn't great defensively by any means, average at best on a good day, but look at the boobs he was competing with for playing time in the OF in 2007: Soriano, Jones, and Floyd. Floyd's legs were done, he could barely move, Jones was constantly throwing the ball into the ground on cutoff throws, and Soriano is a special kind of bad defensive player.

from when he signed, a Bruce Miles quote

http://www.thecubreporter.com/2006/11/20/sori...

Most reports had the Cubs looking at Soriano as a center fielder, but sources said Sunday that the Cubs will put Soriano in right. That means Jacque Jones (whose injured left shoulder prevented him from throwing well in 2006) will go from right to center with the Cubs, if they donít trade Jones, hoping for the best.

http://www.thecubreporter.com/2007/03/13/sori...

about mid-March Soriano "officially" given the CF job. My recollection was just about the time spring training began, Lou had the brilliant idea that Soriano might work there. Whether that was the plan the whole time and they didn't want to scare Soriano away before he signed, is another story.

Hmm. Well I'm wrong again. But I will go to my grave defending my right to be wrong :)

But Sori never has played a game in RF.

My recollection agrees with your version: Lou started mentioning Soriano as a centerfielder early in spring training.

Felix Pie was still in the picture in early '07, coming off a decent year at Iowa (although probably also coming off an unproductive few weeks at Licey in winter ball). In any case, Lou had presumably heard about a (slightly fading?) top prospect who was a centerfielder. So you had to give Lou a couple of days in early March to cross Pie off the list.

nice...the origin of "End o' subject" via silent towel is in the 2nd thread.

i love a good classic.

In trade suggestions with an infield rake and Mark Prior's vaginitis?

Interleague games are dumb... much more dumb when people get plunked and/or hurt. You want to throw fastballs at people's faces, throw them at Yankees.

Interleague games are dumb

/thread

Is everyone excited about the Luis Montanez era??
YEAH!!!!! WHOOO!!!!

Uh..yippee?

Yes. To celebrate, I'm going to go take a nap.

well the popularity of baseball isn't being affected apparently, just the attendance.

While attendance is down 1-2% across the league, viewership up 6-44% between Fox, ESPN, TBS and MLB Network.

The Cubs though still suck.

I wonder if that 6-44% is counterbalanced by people that didn't get the MLB Season Ticket this year.

Mike Bauman points out that there are a couple of big 1b free agents available during this coming offseason... What an original article...

points and laughs at Cubs lineup

cf johnson, 2b barney, ss castro, 3b ramy, 1b pena, lf sori, rf montanez, c hill, p demp

i hate lefty starter lineup days...

Funny how, now that each day presents us with what actually MAY be the worst lineup ever, nobody says it any more...
I will!
Worst....
Lineup....
Ever...!

When Quade yelled and put up the 2-to-1 finger gesture, I thought he was yelling at the ump for the warning or yelling at the Boston bench who were likely yelling at the Cubs bench for hitting Youkilis.

I'm not a Quade fan after his poor performance so far this year, but I don't he was somehow unfamiliar with the rules and is brain dead. He's bad at managing the bullpen, often poor at getting the best matchups late in a game, and has several other things that piss me off, but he's not a total idiot.

That said, I think the team very much looks like there's no control of what is going on, Q's reasoning lacks consistency, and he is making a good argument for why he bounced from minor league team to minor league team until Jim Hendry decided Q was a fantastic baseball guy who needed a permanent job.

Garza to DL with elbow bone contusion...paging Dr. Hecht.

Soto rehab at AA this week and should be activated Saturday.

Kerry Wood fined for hitting Lowrie in today's MLB bullshit.

Baker shouldn't be out more than a couple of days, Schlitter to the 60-day DL.

NOT SCHLITTER!

OKAY, SEASON DONE. IS IT 2012 YET?

Garza "not happy" with DL move, tried to talk team out of it according to Witty.

should make him cheaper in arbitration next year :)

it's a shame the cubs can't bring up archer...

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats...

Carlos Marmol pretty much has the Cubs All-Star spot wrapped up?

I suppose Castro could get a backup SS nod if he keeps a high batting average going.

Here's some cheerful news.

Peoria, Daytona and Tennessee have a combined 19-game winning streak.

Daytona just shows up and wins: 34-12, .739. The big-three hitters, surprisingly enough, are Lake, Crawford and Bour (who hit his 12th HR today, tops in the organization).

woah...sean burroughs is back in the bigs with ARZ...totally missed that.

he hasn't played pro ball in 3 years. i didn't know he even made it past spring training.

second opinion verifies no surgery needed...

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