AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
Jett Bandy laced three doubles, including a two-run two-base hit with one out in the top of the 8th that drove-in the tying and go-ahead runs, leading the AZL Angels to a 4-3 victory over the AZL Cubs in Arizona League action at Dwight Patterson Field at HoHoKam Park in Mesa this evening.
The Cubs went into the top of the 8th inning leading 2-1, thanks to a solo HR by Dustin Geiger in the 4th and a Ryan Durrence RBI ground out in the 6th. But AZL Cubs 8th inning set-up man Colin Richardson could not hold the lead, issuing a one-out four-pitch walk, followed by back-to-back doubles and consecutive singles, as the Angels took a 4-2 lead.
The Cubs did score a run in the bottom of the 8th on a leg-double by lead-off hitter Oliver Zapata, an Angels error, and a sacrifice fly, but it wasn't enough, as Angels closer Brandon Efferson threw a 1-2-3 9th for the save.
18-year old LHP Brian Smith (Cubs 2010 40th round draft pick out of Pickering, Ontario) got the start for the AZL Cubs, and threw a solid four innings (61 pitches - 40 strikes), allowing just one unearned run on five hits and a walk, while striking out three. A member of the Canadian Junior National Team prior to signing with the Cubs right at the August 16th signing deadline last year, Smith had his second quality outing in a row, especially significant since he was absolutely terrible in his pro debut at AZ Instructs last fall (30.00 ERA, 4.33 WHIP, and a .527 OppBA) and got a late start to the 2011 season, not pitching in a game until more than halfway through Extended Spring Training. But he has looked OK in AZL action so far (albeit just 7.1 IP over two games), displaying a high-quality curve and change-up, and the poise and stamina needed to throw multiple innings.
19-year old Dustin Geiger (Cubs 2010 24th round draft pick out of Merritt Island HS - Brevard County, FL) continues to be the offensive leader for the AZL Cubs. After two more hits tonight (including the 390-ft+ home run to left-center that gave the Cubs a 1-0 lead, and a picture-perfect hit & run single to right that advanced a runner from 1st to 3rd and led directly to the Cubs second run), Geiger is hitting a robust 400/423/769 (including three doubles, two triples, and a HR) through his first six AZL games, while playing adequate defense at both 3B and 1B (although he looks better at 1B). Geiger has showed tremendous improvement in his power stroke over the last few weeks (having hit 325/367/525 with three doubles, two HR, and 12 RBI over his last 13 Extended Spring Training games), and I had thought that just based on that he would get assigned to Boise, but the Cubs chose to place 3B-1B Wilson Contreras on the Boise roster instead, while keeping Geiger in Mesa. But if he keeps slugging the way he has over the last few weeks, I would expect Geiger to get a promotion to Boise (if not to Peoria) before much longer.
While Geiger has been the offensive star of the AZL Cubs, 19-year old Dominican switch-hitter Brian Inoa has struggled to find a position. Inoa was used mainly as a DH in the DSL last season where he hit 279/356/369 for DSL Cubs #2, but he was worked exclusively at catcher throughout Minor League Camp and Extended Spring Training this year. However, it became quite clear over time that Inoa did not have the defensive chops to succeed as a backstop, so he was moved to 1B, and now (more-recently) to 2B, with poor results at each stop. Inoa made two more errors (on successive plays) leading to an unearned run in tonight's game, and was pulled out of the game in the top of the 7th. Next stop? Maybe LF. But to play LF Inoa will have to show the slugging he displayed at times in Extended Spring Training, like when he hit for the cycle against the Diamondbacks on May 23rd.
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Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 6:03am Permalink
Az Phil, any news on possible signings of young Latinos on July 2 ? Thanks as always.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 6:53pm Permalink
Iran announced today that their missiles can reach U.S. bases in the Gulf.
The Cubs pitchers countered by showing the Giants missiles can reach Waveland.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 7:06pm Permalink
I swear in the post-game interview with Doug Davis while he was trying to explain why he sucked again today, he said something like, "The Giants kept hitting the ball over the fence and we didn't have anyone playing out there."
LOL.
Marlon Byrd hit by pitch in Iowa
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 10:31am Permalink
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/st...
"I thought I'd have the jitters, but I didn't," Byrd told the Des Moines Register. "I got hit by a pitch. That was something I needed."
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 10:33am Permalink
Tough SOB... can't wait til he gets back to push those crappy hitters like Castro and Ramirez out of the three hole.
Re: "I got hit by a pitch. That was something I needed."
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 10:55am Permalink
"When you fall off a horse, get right back on"
--Christopher Reeve
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 11:03am Permalink
"A good craftsman never blames his tools."
--Koyie Hill
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 11:49am Permalink
"It is cheering to see the rats are still around; the ship is not sinking."
Eric Hoffer
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 12:03pm Permalink
"I'd like to see Quade given a chance to manage the team we broke camp with."
Shit-for-Brains GM
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 12:52pm Permalink
"When opportunity is in your hands. You have to reach out and grab it"
Steve Bartman
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 3:59pm Permalink
almost all of that was just f'n awesome. bravo tcr.
Kerry Wood to throw simulated game
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 12:02pm Permalink
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/st...
"It's getting a lot better," Wood told ESPNChicago.com on Tuesday. "The skin around the finger is better. The nail is stronger. It's looking a lot better to me."
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 12:43pm Permalink
For all six teams (Boise and above) to win yesterday, a couple of improbable things had to happen: Peoria had to break a 10-game losing streak, and the suddenly impotent post-LeMahieu Smokies--punished by Jackson's and Lake's deep slumps and then KO'd by the Vitters beaning--had to actually score a run in thirteen innings. More impressive, though, were the seven consecutive scoreless innings spun by Maine and Gaub in Iowa's 15-inning 6-5 win over Albuquerque. Maine pitched three innings, Gaub four(!). Both gave up 1 hit, with 2 walks and 7 strikeouts. Add starter J. Jackson's 5 strikeouts and you get 19 total.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 1:43pm Permalink
Peoria really hit the wall - their all-star break didn't even help. Daytona not scoring much either of late, but pitching relatively well.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 12:56pm Permalink
Jason Parker(?) on SS prospects with all kinds of Hak-Ju Lee love. Puts him in his top 3...
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php...
TCF: Lee is one of my favorite prospects in the game, and a player with the potential to be Leader of the Pack (Future) in this crazy deep talent pool. At the plate, the 20-year-old Korean has great hands and hand-eye coordination, which leads to heavy doses of contact. The power isn’t there, and it might not show up, but he can sting a ball; he’s not an empty hitter. I like his overall approach: It’s aggressive yet under control, giving him some on-base ability and high-batting average projections. The glove is flashy and slick, though he still needs refinement, which he will find through repetition; the actions for a plus defender are already present. The arm is plenty strong for the position and his quick feet, natural instincts, and plus-plus raw speed given him excellent range. The total package could be an All-Star with a plus glove, the ability to hit for a very high average (not empty average), and enough strength to work the gaps. He’s not going to hit 15-plus home runs per season, but you can’t put him in the speed/slasher box, either.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 1:21pm Permalink
Parker's been around since sometime last year. He loves the phrase "hit tool", which I think means not striking out without bunting.
Another couple about Cubs articles over at BP now, including a draft recap:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php...
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 1:32pm Permalink
Later Picks of Note: With a mid-90s fastball that consistently touches 97-98, fourth-round pick Tony Zych was one of the hardest throwers in this year's draft, but he doesn't have another plus offering. Sixth-round catcher Neftali Rosario is a very good defensive catcher with a bit of pop. He'll be a nearly impossible sign, but many think 11th-round pick Shawon Dunston Jr. will be a first-round pick in 2014 after honing his skills at Vanderbilt.
Analysis: The Cubs focused more on teenage upside than in recent drafts, which fits well with the system needs. Tough signs like Dunston and seventh-round pick Trevor Gretzky give them a chance to make this an excellent crop.
better place to hone skills? Vanderbilt or Cubs farm system?
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 1:52pm Permalink
Vandy by far!!!!!
Cubs farm system or California Penal league?
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 1:57pm Permalink
I can sort of get his dad not wanting to run his life, but how could a son of a major leaguer not be a more advanced baseball player... I guess Shawon really just did rely on physical talent for his entire career.
Hopefully we dump some contracts and direct the cash towards signing some of these guys... I still don't get the Gretzky deal. I guess San Diego State is a pretty big-time program, so maybe he can play. Longer article on him, I missed if it's 3/44.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-06-09...
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 2:06pm Permalink
athlete first, baseball player second
The Cubs way...
supposedly a pretty good QB prospect as well until the shoulder injury. Said Miami, UCLA and AZ State were looking at him before the injury, although if he was that good, you'd figured they'd still offer him a scholarship even after he recovers.
Re: system needs
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 2:15pm Permalink
"The Cubs focused more on teenage upside than in recent drafts, which fits well with the system needs."
We need more unsignable ballplayers who are five years away?? I may not be around to see them. What happened to "Wait 'til next year!"
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 12:56pm Permalink
Q-Ball to take Riggleman's spot on All-Star coaching staff according to Muskat
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 12:57pm Permalink
speaking of, I suppose only Marmol and Castro are the Cubs options at this point?
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 1:02pm Permalink
I would include Marshall on that list.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 1:04pm Permalink
No Soriano love?
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 1:05pm Permalink
nope
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 1:59pm Permalink
No Soriano love?
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The Cubs should start an All-Star campaign for Soriano using that picture of him giving dual fingers.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 1:30pm Permalink
Doug Davis on the verge of 1st inning implosion
first 4 get on for one run, but gets a GIDP that scores the second run.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 1:53pm Permalink
they really need to move Pena before the 2nd game tonight...maybe to the Giants like that Joel Youngblood deal (although that was 2 different cities).
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 1:58pm Permalink
I'd rather see them move Doug Davis between innings :)
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 1:58pm Permalink
for the uneducated...
with Mets against Cubs in a day game
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/C...
then made it to Philly to play for the Expos for the nightcap
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/P...
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 1:57pm Permalink
Hill just hr'd, the world is definitely about to end.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 2:03pm Permalink
Vogelsong has only given up 3 or more runs one other time this year against the Mets back in early May.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 2:07pm Permalink
I think Davis is trying to use the Rocky Balboa game plan. Tire them out with running the bases early in the game, then come back late for a knock-out.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 2:12pm Permalink
Doug Davis on the other hand, has given up 3 or more runs every fucking time he pitches (unofficial stat).
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 2:37pm Permalink
Aramis Ramirez now 1 for 36 driving in runners from third with less than two out.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 2:58pm Permalink
So, so much pain....
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 3:05pm Permalink
Follow the I-Cubs game. That's going much better. Byrd 2-4 with a double, HR, a walk and 3 RBI's and Barney got two hits and a SB... I feel a mid-season trade simile coming on.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 3:18pm Permalink
Byrd and Barney for?......... Something useful?
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 3:57pm Permalink
No, but getting them back will be like making a mid-season trade for slightly below average starters.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 4:07pm Permalink
Andy McFail'd!!!
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 4:11pm Permalink
So, Andy? You are sitting at 32 and 50 on the year. Where do you feel this ball club is at this point?
Well Len, we certainly didn't figure that a rotation built around Mark Prior and Kerry Wood would have some many injury problems. But getting those two and Angel Guzman back will be like making a huge mid season trade.
How do feel about the direction of the franchise?
Couldn't be better Len!!!
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 4:53pm Permalink
13-7 first game. Any predictions on tonight's score? I figured we might not score 7 runs this entire series off the Giants pitching.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 5:05pm Permalink
loss, 3-0 in 14 innings after jeff baker gives up a 3 run homer to pat burrell
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 6:09pm Permalink
I would actually like to see that.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 4:55pm Permalink
Hey all - don't worry about game 1 of the double header. We have Rodrigo Lopez pitching in game 2, which should get the Cubs back on track.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 4:59pm Permalink
Muskat says Mateo coming up for Game 2, Lamehieu being sent down...
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 5:06pm Permalink
There isn't much to cheer about this year, but I was hoping Castro could make a run for the batting title. However, I am upset every day when I see Q-ball put him in the third spot. When will he realize that for whatever reason, Castro is not comfortable there. I hope it doesn't ruin him.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 6:11pm Permalink
So much for reinforcements...
Mateo's stats at Iowa:
1-3 with a 6.87 ERA in 18 1-3 innings over 16 outings.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 6:31pm Permalink
mateo down, barney up should happen soon enough.
doug davis DFA will hopefully happen before that.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 6:42pm Permalink
Submitted by crunch on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 5:31pm.
mateo down, barney up should happen soon enough.
doug davis DFA will hopefully happen before that.
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CRUNCH: If Rodrigo Lopez has an (unexpectedly) reasonably decent outing tonight, I would think the Cubs might keep Lopez in the starting rotation and Marcos Mateo in the bullpen and DFA Doug Davis when Darwin Barney is reactivated tomorrow.
Davis has the potential to earn about $1M in incentives tied to GS and IP, so I doubt that the Cubs would think twice about releasing him. He has zero trade value.
As for other trade possibilities, I could see Kerry Wood going home to Texas once he proves his blister issue has been resolved, and (as I have mentioned here before) the Giants should have some interest in acquiring Geovany Soto. And Alfonso Soriano for Adam Dunn is just too supersilious for it not to happen.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 3:40am Permalink
Isn't it Hendry's philosophy to continue starting players having bad years in hope of increasing their trade value?
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 6:45pm Permalink
Sullivan has an article up about Colvin at Iowa:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball...
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 7:53pm Permalink
Does he make any judgements about Colvin's timing? I know someone who he ought to get in touch with who has all kinds of unsolicited advice about jumping to such a conclusion...
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:18am Permalink
Interesting to read Von Joshua analyzing someone's swing again.
Reminds me when he gave a long dissertation about Milton Bradley, on how the top half of his body was turned the wrong way and out of synch with his legs. "You can't hit like that."
He got that right.
I think I prefer him to Teflon Rudy. I find the whole Colvin deal very disturbing in terms of what the coach was doing in his day job. Here is a talented young hitter--maybe not too sharp--who is just floundering. He has to go to Iowa to get any answers.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:52am Permalink
Reminds me when he gave a long dissertation about Milton Bradley, on how the top half of his body was turned the wrong way and out of synch with his legs. "You can't hit like that."
LOL. Yea - Milton Bradly couldn't hit. The dude has a career 804 OPS. He sure can't hit.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:05am Permalink
Well let me amend that comment then..:
Milton Bradley is a guy who could get on base, and hit..
as long as you expect him to play 90 games or so, get hurt, have run ins with umpires, coaches, announcers....and put up 12 HR's and 55 RBI's or so....then yeah, he's your guy.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:08am Permalink
as long as you expect him to play 90 games or so, get hurt, have run ins with umpires, coaches, announcers....and put up 12 HR's and 55 RBI's or so....then yeah, he's your guy.
Which, of course, has pretty much nothing to do with the quote that VA Phil posted.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:13am Permalink
No....just I can't stand Milton Bradley, and his waste of talent ass....
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:20am Permalink
So as the pitch was coming in, he turned the top of his body toward the catcher? What was Bradley thinking?!?
I'm interested to see if Joshua has more success with Colvin. I still maintain part of his problem was bad luck, but it didn't seem like he was making as much solid contact as last year either.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 10:23am Permalink
Guys with terrible plate discipline and poor approaches tend to get exposed at the MLB level.
Maybe Colvin can tighten up his overall approach? I doubt he'll ever have much discipline or pitch recognition though?
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 11:15am Permalink
But that's the thing, he wasn't having any more trouble walking or making contact than he did last year.
Shawon Dunston, by your esimation would never hit MLB pitching.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 11:26am Permalink
Colvin's line drive percentage this year is 9.9 compared to last year's 17.0. His HR/FB this year is 6.3 compared to last year's very strong 19.4.
It looked to me like Colvin was making plenty of contact, it was just poor contact. And it looked to me like most of the time that he was in the majors he was hitting the very top of the ball a lot of the time that he was pulling it, resulting in weak grounders to the right (or into foul territory). The numbers also suggest that he was getting as much of the fly balls that he hit either. I would say that those are probably symptoms of some mechanical problems which may lead to, be caused by, or just combine with some small timing issues. I think some of it had to do with all the time he spent on the bench, but I don't have any evidence for that.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 1:53am Permalink
some might say he looked like his timing was off...
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 2:25am Permalink
That's what Joshua said when he saw him. Wayyyyyy late.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 9:17am Permalink
It's one thing if TCR commentors don't know what timing is... it's really alarming if our hitting coaches don't.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 9:57am Permalink
I actually saw the opposite, at least early in the season, of what Joshua saw. It looked like Colvin was early on most things.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 11:41am Permalink
Shawon Dunston, by your esimation would never hit MLB pitching.
Well... he didn't really hit MLB pitching.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 12:10pm Permalink
Aw come on....he hit them ok....he just couldn't get on base otherwise if his life depended on it....
.269/.296/.416
.296 OBP......wow...
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 12:11pm Permalink
Isn't that the Hendry/Wilkin prototype for the perfect prospect?
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 12:24pm Permalink
He looked good in a uniform.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 12:10pm Permalink
Some guys like Dunston, Kpatt, Felix Pie,etc. Can have careers with bad plate discipline.
They just never have the careers that the tools folks hype them for.
Not mention that all of those guys are dead meat when it comes to trying to hit top level pitching. Which might have a little something to do with the Cubs playoff issues over the years?
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 12:13pm Permalink
Ah Felix Pie.....
I still would have like to have seen him get a season or 2 of at bats before shipping him off for nothing...
Yeah, it sure seems the Cubs have drafted these same types of players since....forever?
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 12:24pm Permalink
Everyone drafts them, it's just the Cubs that promote them without deleloping them.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 12:24pm Permalink
It's really akin to the mediocre Numbers Big armed QB's we see in the NFL draft every year.
Jeff George
Ryan Leaf
Jamarcus Russell
Akili Smith
All the same basic story. Mediocre college careers. Teams fell in love with the arm strength tool. Busts as pro's.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 12:58pm Permalink
Aw....c'mon now..Jeff George had a few good seasons? Lol...
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 1:02pm Permalink
He doesn't fit with the others so much. He is just the most shining example of that situation.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 1:07pm Permalink
Well..ok...I spose....he did manage to throw 154 TD's..more than the other 3 combined is all.....
Anyway....I agree on the Cubs drafting these kind of players over, and over, and over....
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 1:06pm Permalink
"Which [bad plate discipline] might have a little something to do with the Cubs playoff issues over the years?"
Maybe, but I just took a quick look at the OBPs of the eight starting position players in Game 1 of the Cub-Dodger series in '08, and all were .359 or higher except Soriano's, with three OBPs above .375.
Soriano .344
Fukudome .359
Lee .361
Ram .380
Soto .364
Edmunds .369 (as a Cub)
DeRosa .376
Theriot .387
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 12:47pm Permalink
"LOL," etc.
Do you think Von Joshua was analyzing Bradley's swing when he was with Texas?
With the Cubs, he slugged .397. His OBP was fine, because he was focused like a laser on drawing walks. Fukudome draws walks, too, and many observers would look at him and say, "You can't hit like that."
I do find it odd that the Cubs get beaten up every day in these pages for not stressing plate discipline, after spending $80 million since '08 on the two most extreme non-producing OBP specialists in the game.
"He just didn't swing the bat. He didn't get the job done. His production, or lack of (production), was the only negative." --Hendry on Bradley
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 1:03pm Permalink
If the Cubs had a Fukudome batting 1-8 they'd be in MUCH better shape than they are now.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 1:07pm Permalink
Their defense probably wouldn't suffer much either.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 1:04pm Permalink
That 2008 team led the league in OBP%.
They also led the league in wins.
Any correlation ya think?
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 1:23pm Permalink
Hmmm....I'll go with....yes? Lol....
2008 Cubs:.278/.354/.443
2011 Cubs:.264/.319/.402
Interesting....the NL average?
2008: .260/.331/.413
2011: .251/.318/.386
Eh...they still need to get on base much more than they already do....
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 2:04pm Permalink
That would be nice, but they're a league average offense. What they really need to do is start pitching and turning batted balls into outs a lot better. They've walked 21 more batters than the 2nd worst team and have five more errors than the second worst team.
A powerful combination, caused, apparently by injuries?!?
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 2:07pm Permalink
Also a good point TRN..with a black hole in the 4/5 spots in the rotation, an average offense, and bad fielding, combined with...
fuck..
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 2:13pm Permalink
At least Wrigley is a beautiful and structurally sound ballpark?
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 2:50pm Permalink
The offense is plagued by too many free swingers.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 7:03pm Permalink
Here's Mike Quade's lineup for Game 2 vs. Barry Zito:
1. Reed Johnson, cf.
2. Starlin Castro, ss
3. Aramis Ramirez, 3b
4. Carlos Pena, 1b
5. Geovany Soto, c
6. Jeff Baker, 2b
7. Alfonso Soriano, lf
8. Lou Montanez, rf
9. Rodrigo Lopez, p
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 7:25pm Permalink
5. Geovany Soto, c
Haha, you almost got me there! Anyone got the real lineup?
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 7:37pm Permalink
that's been Soto's spot versus lefties for the most part
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 7:47pm Permalink
Going into tonight:
4th 4 PA's
5th 42
6th 50
7th 37
8th 66
Though I will buy he's batted there more against lefties than in the other slots.
If Quade had to pick one bad habit from Lou to steal, I wish it wasn't his names from a hat lineup construction.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 8:40pm Permalink
awesome! lol...
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 8:34pm Permalink
Oh good, more embarrassing Mike Quade antics.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 8:53pm Permalink
What did he do?
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:13am Permalink
He argued the call at the plate, and apparently you have to look a certain way when you argue or else it's embarrassing.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 9:52am Permalink
Anyone have the replay of that play somewhere?
I was on a rooftop, with a TV that didn't work, so couldn't really see what happened.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 8:49pm Permalink
Make it stop
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 9:23pm Permalink
Gammon tweet
Red Sox cannot add payroll, which means with RF washout and McDonald/Cameron 0 production, they can take no $. Dream Jeff Baker. period.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Wed, 06/29/2011 - 7:05am Permalink
Fudge.
Re: AZL Angels Jett Past AZL Cubs at HoHoKam
on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 8:42am Permalink
Fukudome was the latest in the succession of left handed hitting RF's that Hendry has failed in the quest to acquire anyone really good after Sosa shrunk.
Burnitz, Jacques Jones, Fuk and thinking Fuk can play CF, Uncle Milty.
...plus a few minor attempts to catch lightning in a bottle: Jody Gerut, Ben Grieve, Todd Hollandsworth, Matt Lawton
Fukudome's failure is that he came here with the expectation to drive in some runs and provide 20 HR power as well as the history of great April and meh May-Sept. He has succeeded in the OBP and RF defense areas.
Tyler Colvin is somewhere in that mix too although he was a farm product and should be lumped in with Pie and CPat.