Thanks for the Memories...

statueThere are more than a couple hundred players enshrined at Cooperstown and they are paid homage by something like 350,000 annual visitors to baseball’s Hall of Fame. At Wrigley Field a mere three Cubs have been immortalized in statuary and only half a dozen’s numbers flutter atop the foul poles. This Mecca draws in excess of three million pilgrims per season. Maybe Ron Santo was on to something when he listed the corner of Clark & Addison in Chicago as the address of his personal HOF.


Wednesday night my two sons and I were at the fringe of the mob assembled in the street to witness the unveiling of Santo in bronze, caught in the act of making an off-balance throw to nip a runner in a close play at first. I am no critic of the sculpting arts but I think the rendering of #10 is exquisite. The blue casts to the socks, cap and numerals; the facial likeness, the stitching on the ball about to be thrown – all are vivid. Justice was done to the fans’ memories.


An hour before the ceremony the three of us took a few meandering, strolling laps around the square block of Wrigley. On Waveland we staged a brief reenactment of the ritual game of catch we used to play there while ballhawking during batting practice on trips to Chicago when they were little leaguers. Now Max is 20 and Ben is 17. On Clark we detoured into McDonalds where the clubhouse attendant used to fetch a pair of Big Macs for Sammy Sosa after BP on game days. On Addison we tossed a few coins in the pail of the wheel-chaired beggar who’s been as permanent a fixture on our past visits as the statuary will be on future ones. On Sheffield a ball arced over the bleachers, ricocheted off of some landscaping ironwork and bounced directly to me with a small band of ballhawks in pursuit; a fitting memento of the occasion that I received in the spirit of a child opening a gift.


From our vantage point the remarks of the assembled dignitaries were mostly muffled. I did make out Pat Hughes repeating a laugh line we’d heard more clearly on the car radio as we drove into town that afternoon. He and Santo’s HOF teammates from the fabled ’69 team had keynoted a sold-out luncheon downtown that was broadcast by WGN. More importantly we did manage sightlines to the statue. After it was revealed and roundly approved we went inside and took up seats in the right-center field bleachers. While the Cubs fashioned one of their occasional victories we enjoyed dollar hot dogs and reminisced. Even cheaper was the glowing sunset that rang down upon the day's stage.


We left after eight, me and a couple of the grandsons of the guy I used to listen on the radio with when Santo was routinely making plays like the one immortalized now on the street corner. As we passed by on our way to the redline depot I was able to touch the cleats of someone who autographed mitts and caps for us when he was still able. The cheers boiling over the rim of the stadium just then reported on Carlos Marmol’s progress towards a fanning of the side in the 9th but I imagined them for someone else, some other time.

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Despite his recent hot streak, I agree largely with Hollandsworth. I think Aram plays hard when he feels like it, and doesn't really care whether the Cubs win or lose. I think being in the clubhouse with someone like that, and there being no repurcussions on him for being that way, is likely to leave a young player somewhat jaded....

this is where a manager matters...you're going to have "jeff kent" types. they may not be distractions, but they're not leaders. no one hired aram to be a leader and he's not one even if he's the best bat on the club.

he's always been comfortable being in someone's shadow and doesn't bitch about it.

Well, he's not in anyone's shadow right now, and I'm afraid that his salary puts him in a leadership position. Oh, he's not comfortable being a leader?? Look at your paycheck, dickweed! Be a leader!

no way...they bought a 3rd baseman and his known social skills...money don't mean leadership...leadership can get you more money, though...vlad got paid, but never got his full due cuz he's not a leader. hell, vlad can barely speak conversational english.

you don't see aram interviews...you don't see him rocking the camera or the quotes...he never has at any point. he's never tried to be a leader.

You are speaking to the way it is with Aram. I am speaking of the way it should be. I think we're both right!

heard.

I realize it's open season on the Cubs right now, but Hollandsworth is a fucking idiot...

Hollandsworth also took a swipe at Cubs' management for their handling of Ramirez, who told the team before the trade deadline that he didn't want to waive his no-trade clause for family reasons.

"It's going to be another 100 years before this team wins another (World Series) if they continue to let the inmates run it," Hollandsworth said.

a basic understanding of 10/5 rights might inform his opinion a little better.

"When you've got your best player -- he's your best hitter, we've watched it for years now -- and you can't seem to have a positive effect on the guys around you in your clubhouse, getting them to step up or play to a different level, it's just hard for me to swallow, especially when you're being paid to be that guy," Hollandsworth told "The McNeil and Spiegel

isn't Soriano technically being paid to be that guy and the one who does almost nothing to contribute to winning games right now?

"Then you bring into question effort and that's one thing in the game of baseball that really is inexcusable. One hundred percent effort all the time, there's really no reason for you not to have 100 percent effort. He's got impressionable kids around him right now: Darwin Barney, Starlin Castro, these kids are growing up, they're watching it and you know what, they're not getting any better."

I'm trying to remember all those great young players that developed while Ryne Sandberg and Andre Dawson were playing the game the right way.

...
...
...

I got nothing.

if I was being cynical...it's like someone from the Cubs asked Comcast to start berating Ramirez so he'd be more willing to accept a trade.

Is Hollandsworth saying that Starlin Castro isn't getting any better?

I believe that's what he is saying...

I agree totally on this one about Hollandsworth... why couldn't he be more of a leader on one of the 8 teams he played for? Probably because he wasn't good enough for anyone to give a shit what he said or thought anyways, kind of like now...

From what I've seen of the Cubs this season so far, the play of Castro and Barney (or their development) is not the reason the Cubs suck...

It is funny how no one was clamoring for Ramirez to be more of a leader when the Cubs were winning 90+ games a few years back. What is Ramirez supposed to do, walk up to Dempster and Wells and the string of shitty 5th starters they have been running out there and say "Pitch better!" They have been pitching better lately, and wow, like magic, that results in more wins...

LOL on the pitching comment... True

Serious question, not being a smart ass.

Dunston or Grace? Didn't they (at least partially) come up seeing Sandberg and later Dawson playing the game the right way?

i love mark grace...but he's not qualified to make a judgement call on anyone's character beyond how hard/right they play the game, imo. he's a pretty slimy character even if he's a nice guy. i think everyone who's worked with dunston likes him...especially the older dunston.

Dunston and Sandberg pretty much came up at the same time and Dunston always scoffed at Sandberg's lack of willingness to dive.

I did forget Grace.

"Darwin Barney, Starlin Castro, these kids are growing up, they're watching it and you know what, they're not getting any better."

Maybe it's just me but I see improvement--

Castro last year: 544 chances 27 errors
Castro this year: 541 chances 19 errors

Castro last year: 506 PA, 3HR, 53R, 41RBI
Castro this year: 515 PA, 6HR, 67R, 53RBI
leads the NL with 152 Hits

Barney: Rookie who took the starting 2B job away from Blake DeWitt

Darwin Barney is pretty much irrelevant, as there is no way at this point to measure whether he is getting better--he has no MLB history. But the fact that Hollandsworth seems to be saying that Castro isn't getting better shows that he's not really basing his observations on evidence (or observations) so much as some sort of personal dogma he has developed about the kind of outward appearance veteran players ought project.

[Edit: Plus, just how impressionable do we think Darwin Barney is? He's 25 going on 26 and he has almost 5 years of professional ball under his belt, along with three season of college ball. He's no toddler.]

well done as always Mike...

+1

Indians moving Fukudome to CF with Choo back...

http://www.csnchicago.com/08/12/11/Grace-Sand...

Grace backing Sandberg for manager as well.

Hell, I'd take Gracie as bench coach...

some baserunning numbers

http://www.actasports.com/stats_detail/?StatI...

big shocker, Cubs suck

I was going to see how much the baserunning numbers correlate to iso sluggging, but too much math.

By ISO you mean non-HR ISO?

Side question for anyone who knows the answer:Is there any way to find out which HRs are inside the park homeruns and which doubles are ground-rule doubles?

don't recall ever stumbling across that

I think BA's HR log will give the homeruns... it does.

I didn't, but I should have...

seemed like some of the good teams were good power teams, with the exception of the Padres, but they weren't actually doing a good job at baserunning allegedly.

anyway, after looking at just regular old slugging, doesn't seem like it really correlates. I was just curious.

no real surprises there really, some good teams are gonna be good at just about everything and some bad teams are bad at everything and then some teams that aren't good can run and vice-versa. Still on the bottom end for me on ways to build a good team.

Here it is broken down by % of non-HR extra base hits of their non-HR hit total. No "correlation" that I could see, in both cases three of five teams named were on the correct side of league average.

Rank Tm Rate
1 TBR 27.6%
2 ARI 27.5%
3 CLE 26.9%
4 BOS 26.8%
5 TOR 26.2%
6 TEX 26.1%
7 SFG 25.8%
8 KCR 25.6%
9 HOU 25.5%
10 NYM 25.4%
11 COL 25.0%
12 LAA 24.9%
13 CHC 24.8%
14 OAK 24.7%
15 STL 24.5%
16 PHI 24.5%
17 LgAvg 24.5%
18 NYY 24.3%
19 WSN 24.3%
20 FLA 24.2%
21 MIL 23.8%
22 DET 23.7%
23 SEA 23.4%
24 PIT 23.3%
25 SDP 23.1%
26 ATL 23.1%
27 MIN 22.3%
28 CIN 22.0%
29 BAL 21.9%
30 CHW 20.9%
31 LAD 20.2%

Braves lineup

Bourn CF, Prado LF, Freeman 1B, Uggla 2B, Jones 3B, Gonzalez SS, Ross C, Constanza RF, Minor P

vs.

Castro SS, Johnson RF, Ramirez 3B, Soto C, Byrd CF, Pena 1B, Soriano LF, Baker 2B, Zambrano P

Baker AND Johnson in the lineup!!?? How can we lose??

Minor still a lefty?

Brett Jackson on BA's Prospect Hot Sheet again this week:

Team: Triple-A Iowa (Pacific Coast)
Age: 23
Why He's Here: .400/.444/.760 (10-for-25), 2 HR, 3 2B, 5 RBIs, 5 R, 2 BB, 6 SO, 1-for-1 SB
The Scoop: Jackson endured an adjustment period through his first 14 Triple-A games, batting 10-for-51 (.196) with strikeouts in 43 percent of his at-bats. But then he went 3-for-4 in the second game of a doubleheader against New Orleans on July 29 and hasn't stopped hitting since. Over the course of his most recent 14 games, Jackson has gone 22-for-49 (.449) with six homers, four doubles and a much more manageable strikeout rate of 22 percent. The 2009 first-round pick is angling for a September callup with a composite batting line of .275/.383/.494 with 17 homers and 19 steals this season.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospect...

Some Cubs stuff from the prospect chat at BA:

Tony (Frederick, MD): Most 21 year olds in AAA get some attention. Nick Struck, not so much. Sure, his ceiling isn't huge (mid-rotation at best), but he's still developing and is touching mid-90's more consistently this year. What can you tell me about his secondary pitches, and how do you feel about his future?

J.J. Cooper: Struck's secondary pitches are below average now, but his future success probably depends on whether they can become average pitches down the road. His delivery isn't the greatest which sometimes affects his command, but the pieces are there to be a back-end of the rotation starter.

Tung-Jim (Frederick, MD): DJ LeMahieu was driving the ball a bit better in AA before that pointless call-up to the bigs. What's happened since he went down, as he's certainly not driving the ball? And can the Cubs please make a decision on LeMahieu and Flaherty's positions? I think it would do both of them well to have 1 main position.

J.J. Cooper: It would do both of them well if they end up being big league regulars, but if, like me, you think they end up as utilitymen (especially in LeMahieu's case), then the versatility isn't a big problem.

Tony (Frederick, MD): Dae-Eun Rhee has shown flashes this year. Any reports on how his stuff is showing?

J.J. Cooper: Plus stuff, up to 94-95 mph with his fastball with a good changeup.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/chat/?1313166857

Also Brett Jackson is remarkably average and it's a good thing. A Lee question too.

Does anyone know if that is an accurate report on Rhee? I was under the impression that his status as a prospect had dropped of dramatically post Tommy John Surgery, to the point where he looked like a long-shot to be a bottom of the rotation starter or a contributor in middle relief. Maybe that impression is out of date or just incorrect?

his stuff better be good, cause his numbers sure haven't been

That's kind of why I'm surprised. It was his polish as much as anything that made him a good prospect before the surgery--I would think that if his stuff were as good lately as this report says, the polish would allow him to really excel. But that might be a simplistic view.

can't imagine he'd get a callup, he's not on the 40-man and doesn't need to be put on there after the offseason. Might as well keep the spot open until next spring, they'll probably need it with FA's and Rule 5 protectees.

But Rob, you're speaking like someone who gets enough oxygen to his brain. Jim Hendry can probably think of plenty of reasons to call him up. No one has ever accused him of shrewdly manipulating the 40-man.

Pssh.....I'd rather they called him up than "save" the roster spot. So of the 40 man roster right now, the Cubs can pretty safely get rid of:
Grabow
Lopez
Ortiz
Berg
A. Cabrera
Caridad
Perez-thought they released him already
Smit
Montanez

Would it really take much roster juggling if they wanted to give Jackson an audition?

Would it really take much roster juggling if they wanted to give Jackson an audition?

And by "audition" you mean occupy the space next to Colvin on the bench, right?

They're sort of using some of those guys you listed.

Ok...so Sept 1 they call him up and get rid of.....Esmailin Caridad off the 40 man roster, and let him play. (ok...won't ahppen, but still)
then in the off season, they can get rid of the rest of that dreck from the 40 man for the minor leaguers/rule 5 protectees

they're not gonna play him is the first issue, at least not much.

second issue, if you believe in the guy, what's the rush to start his service time and arbitration clocks?

there's little benefit to the move if he's gonna play once a week. Q-Ball already indicated he didn't expect to see him and doesn't consider him ready to help.

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...

of course, putting LaHair on the 40-man seems perfectly reasonable apparently. On the other hand, he'll probably get taken off right after the season.

"second issue, if you believe in the guy, what's the rush to start his service time and arbitration clocks?"

for real.

unless they want to stick him in RF in 2012...or move byrd there (not enough arm)...it's near useless to burn his time, imo.

it's unlikely he's ready anyway. his first few weeks in AAA people were asking why he was there...then he gets hot and people are wondering when he can put on a cubs MLB uniform.

i like the guy, btw...i like the guy playing CF in 2013...or late 2012 pending team collapse.

we were talking about when rosters expand, the issue being he still needs to be put on the 40-man to get called up when that happens.

If the Cubs go ahead and dump as many veterans as possible in the off-season, then I'd like to see Jackson manning CF in 2012. But they probably won't do that, and if they plan on getting a 1B and another starting pitcher, then I'm sure they also plan to keep Byrd around to start the season. So a September call up would seem pointless in that case. They already need to find more playing time for Colvin and maybe Campana (to see what kind of bench role he might merit in 2012).

Yeah..more playing time for Colvin and Campana.....like that's going to happen? We have to make sure Baker, Johnson, Soriano, and Byrd are all getting plenty of at bats.

Well hopefully by 2013 Jackson will be "ready."

“I won’t throw my veterans, who have been battling all year, [on the bench],’’ Quade said. “Especially Reed [Johnson] — what a year he’s had — and say, ‘You’re going to sit down for a week.’ No. .  .  . And these kids will get their at-bats and opportunities, but to me it’s not just, ‘Here it is, go get it and the rest of these guys can watch you play.’ ’’

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/...

Ugh. I guess that's actually an even better argument for not bothering to call up Jackson. Can he play in AA playoffs?

Why the hell not call him up??? His AAA season will be over. What else is he gonna do? Even if he sits most of the time, he will at least be exposed to Major League Baseball.

Well, he might be able to get some actual playing time in the AA playoffs. He could also go home for a little while and be with his family, which might be nice if he's going to play in the AFL or in winter ball somewhere (though I'm not sure the Cubs will want him to do that).

where is all this jackson love coming from?

a few weeks ago people on the net were asking if he was over his head in AAA...a few weeks later people are asking why he's not in the majors yet.

he's a kid. his ceiling is very marlon-byrd-ish...he's not our RF'r next year. what's the rush?

i like this kid, btw...3-6+ years of him in CF is something i look forward too.

I'm sure it's partly due to the rash of homeruns, but even moreso due to the MLB season being over for the Cubs. He's the closest thing to next year that we've got right now.

(However, I'm super interested in Castro's current power surge. Hoping for the first of many .300+ average and double digit homerun seasons starting now.)

Who gives a shit about the arbitration clock?

If they are good you pay them, the Cubs are not the Royals.

If Hendry " believes in them" bring them up and let him be right for once.

OK... deep breath.

This is how it works. You have about 29 guys you have to pay serious cash to on a major league team. If you have to pay one guy, $4 million to give you one win above average, instead of $1 million, that's three million less that you have to spend on other problem areas on the team.

Which part of that do you disagree with?

While I tend to agree with you, and absolutely agree that any conversation of this nature is apparently FAR beyond the Cubs the past several years, and even more pretty much agree in this situation (though doubtful BJax will be good enough to make it matter), I also think shit like this tends to get overdone, especially in the last few years. Longoria and I think Strasburg, maybe?

If they're that fucking good, call them up and let them try to help your team, and I would think that would matter even more if you were small market, capitalize on the name early.

If your team is still shitty in X years, I don't think screwing a guy into playing another cheap year for you is really the answer.

I wouldn't be surprised to see something like this get at least discussed in the next CBA, but I don't know how they'd measure it, maybe you'd have to put in a complaint and have it decided by an arbiter, or something...

NL podcast on draft deadline from BA

http://ht.ly/621Zb

Cubs start off NL Central, about 35 minutes in, right after Washington Nationals.

I'll try and summarize anything relevant.

Gretzky - weird delay in signing announcement, BA didn't see him as highly as Cubs did.

Baez - not worried much about him signing, just waiting with rest of 1st rounders.

Vogel-bomb - mid 1st round money was no secret, rumor is that it's been done for awhile.

Dunston Jr. and Maples - 50/50 on each, could depend on Baez costs.

Taylor Dugas - probably not (seems like that was decided a month ago; http://rolltidebama.com/forum/content.php?385...)

Daniel Lockhart - yes (thought that already happened?)

not really worth listening...

From July 26th on Lockhart:

Lockhart, a 10th-round selection in this year’s Major League Baseball draft, agreed to terms with the Cubs recently but hasn’t officially signed his paperwork. The Hebron Christian grad expecting a call from club officials any day to report to Arizona to complete his signing.

http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/sports/headl...

41st rounder Austin Urban says he's signed.

http://m.tribune-democrat.com/TTD/db_265842/c...

AZ Phil's draft day write up:

ROUND 41 (1239): Austin Urban, RHP (Des Moines Area CC)
R/R, 6'2, 195, 18 years old
COMMENT: JC freshman... Was selected by Orioles in 27th round of 2010 draft out of Richland HS (Johnstown, PA) but did not sign... Was set to attend Penn State but opted to enroll in a JC instead so that he would be eligible for selection again in 2011 Rule 4 Draft... Rated by Baseball America as the #1 prospect in Iowa coming into this year's draft... Led his team to the 2011 Division 2 JUCO World Series... Throws 90-92 MPH fastball that tops out at 94, a mid-80's slider, and a change-up... Has command issues...

thanks guys.

Also thanks for posting.

Kid sounds like a really interesting prospect.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball...

Maddux number being retired by Braves before game...

Maddux lauded Cox for his managerial style, saying "everybody respected him, he was honest with his players, and he was very good at giving the players credit when we won, taking the blame when we lost."

or not what any Cubs managers I can recall ever doing...

-edit- whoops, Cox number being retired, not Maddux

trying to delete old user accounts, if I accidentally blitz yours, sorry.

Email me and I'll get it back up.

about 23,000 spam accounts that were never activated, maybe 2,500 that have been and were at least accessed once.

yeah internet!!!

Soto needs to stop calling the home run ball.

He fucking sucks. Quit lining up in the middle of the plate and calling for 88 MPH fastballs.... Koyie Hill would never do that (he, like Chuck Norris, has never caught a fastball below 94 MPH).

HA! Is the sign the middle finger, or is that the one for 'TRY to bean this guy'...?

Bobby cox is drunk

Mrs. Cox is terrified to say anything!

Z is getting hit worse than when Tina Turner ate the last Oreo in the house.

Oh, no he di'n't!

is retiring (supposedly).

No, I don't make this up. WGN 720 postgame just said that Judd Sirrott (sp?) said Zambrano packed up his belongings and left the clubhouse, saying that he is retiring.

Most likely more Z antics, but thought I'd share...

Az Phil (or anyone), if he retires, we don't have to pay him for the rest of the season, right?

Announcer now saying they will "follow the story tonight and tomorrow"

holy crap...wow.

from p.sulivan, btw...

"PWSullivan Paul Sullivan
Z cleans out locker. Tells trainer he's retired."

"told the trainer as he was leaving... Mike Quade is fuming at this point"

I wish Mike Quade's head was in a plastic bag at this point.

I LOL'd

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=142...

"...Mike Quade says pitcher Carlos Zambrano cleaned out his locker and "walked out" on the team...Said Quade: "I can't have a guy walking out on 24 guys, that's for damn sure.""

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So can't Quade leave Soriano out there too long and hopefully Fonzi calls it quits too?

i love Z, but you don't leave the park in the middle of the game...hell, after you see the trainer and do your clubhouse crap you sit in the dugout, watch the rest of the game, and root on the batters if you've got a loyal pair.

i dunno what Z's intentions are, but i know some people have 18m freed up dancing in their eyes...dunno if Z wants to walk away from that.

Hendry will rush out and give C.J. Wilson $16 million per year for 5 years.

This is one case where having more money isn't necessarily a great thing, if Hendry is still here.

Hendry would give him 6/112

HAHAHAHAHA!!!
The dude is a total headcase, is paid like a #1/#2 starter, and is no better than a #3. Paid WAY too much, and these episodes keep happening. If this opens any way to get rid of this guy, I say DO IT!!!

A lot of interesting stuff in the Tribune article that was just revised:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball...

More in depth stuff from Quade, who says he has no idea where Z is. Byrd and ARam talk about Z retiring.

Was at the game tonight (last time I'd seen that many fannies at Turner field in person was game 5 of the NLDS in 2003). Quite a contrast between Quade and the man they were honoring tonight at Turner Field. Z's first two times at bat, runner on 2nd base with no outs and didn't attempt a bunt either time ... hard to imagine Cox putting up with that.

Z's first two times at bat, runner on 2nd base with no outs and didn't attempt a bunt either time ... hard to imagine Cox putting up with that

1 - not bunting there was the right decision
2 - I doubt Z refused to bunt. He wasn't given the bunt sign. So not sure how Cox wouldn't put up with his own decision to not bunt.

You doubt that Z would choose to ignore a bunt sign? I don't give Z the benefit of the doubt about these things anymore. But if you saw that he wasn't given a bunt sign, I'll take you at your word and leave it at that.

Submitted by Tony S. on Fri, 08/12/2011 - 8:34pm.

is retiring (supposedly).

No, I don't make this up. WGN 720 postgame just said that Judd Sirrott (sp?) said Zambrano packed up his belongings and left the clubhouse, saying that he is retiring.

Most likely more Z antics, but thought I'd share...

Az Phil (or anyone), if he retires, we don't have to pay him for the rest of the season, right?

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TONY S: Zambrano would forfeit the balance of his contract if he retires, but I would be surprised if he actually files retirement papers to make it official.

If Z just leaves the team but doesn't actually file papers, he can be placed on the Restricted List until his contract expires (after next season), and the Cubs don't have to pay him while he is on the Restricted List, and he does not count against the Cubs 40-man roster. BTW, when the Cubs placed Zambrano on the Restricted List last year (when he was dealing with his Anger Management issues after the blow-up at the Cell), the Cubs chose to pay him anyway.

It's a bit more complicated if he changes his mind and decides to return to the team, because there could be some MLBPA involvement if the Cubs try to suspend him without pay for some period of time.

AP, thank you as always.

If he's pulling his usual garbage and tries to undo it, I would think the league would have to get involved... I would think this will (at least tomorrow morning) be bigger than just the Cubs.

Hell, even Favre stayed for full seasons, didn't he?

I'm shocked they decided to pay him during a suspension. At least Hendry didn't give him a contract extension when he came back.

For someone who wasn't born until '77 and only became a fan of 'Ronnie' in the booth, thank you for this. What a great narrative.

Calling Mr. Ricketts here is your chance to show what kind of owner
you are tell Hendry what to do dont let Hendry just sugercoat this
i personally think Quade sucks but if they dont back Quade after his
going public Quade should follow Z out the door.

Pure Cubbery.

Post #69 post of the night.

o_O

Helluva an early Christmas present if he really retires

"I can't have a guy walking out on 24 guys, that's for damn sure."

If God is a Cubs fan, Quade will quit first.

Wow. I love Zambrano, but enough is enough.

Seems like a mountain out of a molehill to me. This whole "walked out on the team" is a bunch of bullshit. Aram and Soriano coast through the whole fucking year, and Zambrano, admittedly a head case but at least one who cares if they win or lose, loses his shit one time and all the dumb fucks (no offense intended, unless you're Quade, then swallow some glass) pile on. It's one fucking game that he couldn't play any more in. Get over it.

If he had punched Geovany in the face instead, the moron circus would be nominating him for Cy Young.

Hendry made a statement:

"General manager Jim Hendry was with the Double-A team in Knoxville. When contacted for comment he said: "We will respect his wishes and honor them and move forward.""

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball...

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Then Hendry said he was going to a casino to celebrate.

$18.5M on Red!!

He'd probably give it to the Latin Busboy who tells Jim Hendry he plays Semi-Pro football.

lol.

Somewhere I read that if Z decides he doesn't want to retire that the Cubs and his agent are likely to reach a settlement and buy out the rest of his contract. I think that was on one of the Tribune's stories, but I'm too tired to go dig up the link.

a buyout is the most logical end to these kind of situations...if Z is serious about this. he's going to have some teammates...guys he's around every day 200+ days a year....in his ear all night and tomorrow about if he really wants to do this.

I'm waiting for the Sosa comparisons.

It doesn't actually make me angry with Zambrano...he's the only guy on the team who actually seems to fucking care. But, enough is a enough.

This is 'against the rules' but no big deal. Hell, he punched the fuck out of Barrett and gets Barrett shipped out of town for it. Now he's a not a team player because he left work early. Who gives a fuck?

"Who gives a fuck?" Whoever made comment #93?

Huh? You make no sense in life.

lol

Zambrano, admittedly a head case but at least one who cares if they win or lose, loses his shit one time and all the dumb fucks (no offense intended, unless you're Quade, then swallow some glass) pile on.

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It's not the first time, nor the second time, nor the third time, nor the fourth time he's lost it.

Sammy left during a game (twice in one season, actually) and the Cubs released surveillance footage and ran him out of town. From what I gather from the Tribune article, Z cleaned out his locker and left before the game was over. Q said his locker was empty and Z was gone when Q went into the locker room after the game. That's a pretty big deal. At the very least that's a suspension.

he walked out mid-game...you can't do that. i'm with quade on that. it's bad enough when a starter leaves without a lead and without an injury just to chill in the clubhouse rather than in the dugout...leaving all-together is drastic and bad form.

i'm a Z fan...Z did what wood and prior were supposed to do quietly while wood and prior were trying to keep their arms in 1 piece. not a fan of everything he's done with his anger, but he's always seemed to give a damn about baseball and community.

I tend to agree.

Z is still a solid mid rotation Starting pitcher. Most all complaints are less about him on field, and more so that his contract is bloated. Maybe he retires, and we use the savings on Dunston,Maples,Jacquez and the rest of the draft class?

loses his shit one time

One time?

This is the first this year perhaps Neal. Every year, there is some Zambrano drama. Fights with teammates, fights with umpires, blowing up like this. It's old. I hope he really retires. Tired, tired, tired act. If you want to act like a prima donna, at least pitch like one, and not like a 4th/5th starter type?

Bye Carlos. don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you.

"If he doesn’t return, it’s not likely to break many hearts in the clubhouse. Even Friday night, one veteran called the circumstances a ‘‘wonderful opportunity for the organization to get better.’’

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/...

Wow, not only do we have guys who have already mentally quit still playing, now we have quitters walking off the field too. This is as much of a 3-ring circus as it was last year and the year before under Lou, with all of the Shenanigans involving Silva and Z and Bradley...

It is actually quite embarrassing to be a Cubs fan these days! How can you expect to win when guys are pretty much uncoachable?

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