Game 160 Thread / Cubs @ Brewers (2 of 3)

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SP *Ted Lilly SP Ben Sheets
16-9, 4.17, 180 K, 63 BB, 198.2 IP
13-8, 2.98, 157 K, 45 BB, 196 IP
RF *Kosuke Fukudome CF Mike Cameron
SS Ronny Cedeno 3B Bill Hall
1B *Micah Hoffpauir LF Ryan Braun
LF *Daryle Ward 1B *Prince Fielder
CF Reed Johnson SS J.J. Hardy
2B *Mike Fontenot RF Corey Hart
3B Casey McGehee 3B Rickie Weeks
C Henry Blanco C Jason Kendall
P *Ted Lilly P Ben Sheets


A Brewers win and a Mets loss (Mets currently up 1-0 in the 3rd) and the Brewers would clinch and the Cubs would know their opponent for the NLDS. To honor the occasion, Lou has trotted out the "B" squad. The game should be on Fox for most of the country I believe.


And hopefully this guy will not pitch a shout out against us-

2-0 Mets in the 6th, went with Johann on 3 days rest vs. Nolasco.

mlb has Ward in left and Johnson in center.
I like the idea of resting some of our players, particularly the one who have nagging injuries, but players becoming rusty can be a factor no?

either a lineup change or Fox Sports messed up...fixed.

I sure am glad the Yanks didn't make the playoffs. For whatever reason, the "smart" people at ESPN-Asia think that the Yankees are the only team people have ever heard of over here. Wake up ESPN and smell the Internet-Satellite-Jet Travel-generation.

it's no different stateside...ESPN is pretty much the NYY/BOS channel 2/3rd of the time.

Wow Cedeno is pathetic. Chad is just insane for wanting him over Theriot.

Though that was the second play where an outfielder should have gotten to the play.

What did Cedeno do?

And yes, Cedeno is still a better defensive player than Theriot.

Cedeno made one error and dropped a fairly basic pop fly, not a good day to be defending Cedeno's defensive skills.

Well... one game doesn't make a player. I don't base an analysis of a player's ability based on one game.

I don't either, but he's still not a good defensive player. I'm not saying Theriot is, but Cedeno is simply not the player to trying to put over Theriot, especially when Theriot is hitting much better.

We need someone better then the Riot at SS, Cedeno is not that person.

Yep. Slightly below average fielder on the season, average for his career. Has a, what, .380-ish OBP and .300 average. Oh, and he's currently earning very near the league minimum.

Plus, with him the Cubs have ONLY 97 wins so far with 160 games played. I mean, the Angels have more wins for chirssakes!

I agree. We "need" a different shortstop. It's not like this is just a matter of wanting a silver slugger and gold glove contender at every position.

Look, the guy is overrated by many and underrated by many, but while he is not the teams biggest asset, he's definitely not among the biggest problems. I for one hope Hendry thinks about CF, the bullpen, backup catcher, a pinch hitter, and the futures of both Marshall and Hill (provided he's in the picture at all next year) before he goes out trying to buy/trade for the next big thing at shortstop. Something falls into his lap, great, but when does that happen?

BIG said: "Well... one game doesn't make a player. I don't base an analysis of a player's ability based on one game."

Last Tuesday, I pointed out that Cedeno didn't get a glove on a playable grounder by Delgado, where the Mets' analyst said that the Cubs had the shift on, but "Cedeno couldn't close on the ball."

BIG said: "Well... Cedeno is the best defensive middle infielder on the team, by far. But you are right, that one play from yesterday means that he sucks defensively."

So that's three plays in one week, and two games that Cedeno jeopardized with his glove in the late innings. Then there was the botched double play in the ninth inning of that Sunday come-from-ahead loss at Cincinnati earlier this month (9/7), which Paul Sullivan compared to Don Young's drop in 1969.

Four plays, three games.

Four plays, three games.

Nice selective sampling.


(starts the season with a HR vs symmetry, catch it!)

Man, finally. If he got on a hot streak that would solve a whole of problems.

Lilly wins number 17, tied with Dempster for the team lead.

That'll be a fun trivia question in a few years.

Nice to see them knock Torres around.
Give them a bit more insecurity about their closer.
Exactly what I was looking for in case we see them again.

And who would've thought that Wuertz would bail us out?

Who's your relief picks now?

I definitely pick Wuertz over Howry, but I know there are a lot of people out there who really don't think much of him.

Really its a no win situation, Wuertz has looked good this week but sucked in his early time with the club, Howry has one good month (may) and sucked the rest of the year. I wouldn't be surprised to see Wuertz take Gaudin's spot on the roster though.

I donno either. I'm glad I dont have Lou's job.

I guess I'd pitch them each one inning tommorow and take whomever looks best.

I think Lou has already made his decision that Howry is in. Gaudin on the other hand is probably in major jeapordy.

Good to get the win, but nobody can say that our bullpen is going to be solid for the playoffs, if that happens its going to be a huge surprise.

Now you have to wonder if Wuertz works his way on there somewhere? I know Lou has had major hate for Mikey in the past but he's the hot hand.

I just want the Brewers to lose tomorrow to either have 1) Monday baseball or 2) Mets in the first round.

Oh yeah not to pile on, but the people who think Ronny Cedeno is a better defensive shortstop than Theriot are crazy. Theriot hasn't looked nearly as bad as Ronnie this year.

Get it done.

from the sun-times:

Mark DeRosa, who hasn't played since developing a strained calf Wednesday night in New York, said he felt better Friday, and Piniella said he hoped to get his most versatile player into Sunday's game to avoid a lengthy layoff before the playoffs.

Carlos Zambrano is expected to start Sunday's season finale for the Chicago Cubs on three days' rest, but he won't pitch more than an inning or two against the Milwaukee Brewers.

(although this article says DeRosa needs a few more days to heal)

...and Paul Sullivan/Trib one ups the Sun-Times (granted it was an AP feed), posting this at 7pm

After naming Carlos Zambrano as his starter Sunday and saying he would pitch an inning or two, manager Lou Piniella switched course after Saturday's game and replaced Zambrano with Angel Guzman.

The Fox camera catching the look on Lou's face after Marquis hit Braun was one of the best shots of the season. I couldn't read his lips, but his face said "can you believe this shit?"

Saw that too.

I was thinking he was saying to Rothschild-
"so much for the reliever experiment."

cedenos miss on pop fly sucked ?

so is hoffp[auer in and pie out?

i liked getting marquis in the game
to bad he choked, i would put him
back in there tommorow.

Derek Lowe will start Game 1 for the Dodgers:

He will then be followed up by Billingsley and Kuroda. If we play the Dodgers, I wonder what the O/U would be on groundouts in Game 1, I would set the line at 37 myself.

per GW/Sun-Times:

11 man playoff pitching staff...Shark has been told by Piniella he's in. (meaning Gaudin out, at least for this round)

Dempster, Z, Harden, Lilly, Marquis, Howry, Samardzija, Cotts, Marshall, Marmol, Wood

also expects Hoffpauir over Pie for last spot.

Todays Bright One written by Telander-

"• • SPEAKING OF THE CUBS, Ted Lilly pitched another very good game against the Brewers on Saturday, earning his career-high 17th win.

I was just in New York for the Cubs-Mets series, and I came out of Tuesday's game with Sun-Times colleague Gordon Wittenmeyer and walked over to the subway station (actually elevated there in Queens) to catch a ride back to my hotel in Manhattan.

Who was standing on the platform but Ted Lilly, with his dad who was visiting from Los Angeles, waiting for the next train like the remaining stragglers.

''I like taking the train,'' Lilly said. He learned the ropes when he played for the Yankees in 2001-02.

He and his Pop sat across from Gordon and me, chatting about baseball all the way.

It's nice to know the common man's touch hasn't spoiled this guy who likely will be a huge factor in the Cubs' playoff dreams."

My take on Lou's look after Marquis hit Braun is that Lou looked at Braun flinging the bat down as a sign that Braun thought somehow that Marquis was throwing at him and Lou was thinking Braun was an idiot.

I was in Milwaukee Friday and Saturday. Gotta give Brewers fans credit, they actually "defended" their own park really well. They outnumbered Cubs fans and were exponentially louder. I go twice a year every year since 2002, and this was definitely the first time that ever happened.

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  • To be fair to Emery and Trestman the foreshadowing of last year started happening well before them with the failure or mismanaging of multiple draft classes forcing the team to overspend in a free agency market that is even worse than baseball. Kyle Long seems like a good pick but they traded away another good one in Olson because of Martz's stupidity and inability to change his offense to fit the team talent.

  • HAGSAG: I think Domonic Brown does fit the criteria of a reclamation project, but unless he is willing to accept a minor league contract with an NRI to Spring Training, I don't think the Cubs would be interested given where the Cubs are right now. A couple of years ago? Yes. But probably not now.

    Brown would be better-off going to a club that is rebuilding and re-establish his value there, like Chris Coghlan did with the Cubs. And if he can re-establish his value, he could get traded to a contender at the trade deadline and take it from there.  

  • "they just fade away"

    (Except in the cases of no-fade lefties like Moyer, Orosco and Rich Hill.)

  • Amazing to me how quickly it fell apart under Trestman. Year 1, they were a Chris Conte brain fart away from making the playoffs. Year 2 -- coach, staff and GM all fired.

  • I am sure Jonathon Mota will be signed next.

  • AZ Phil, what is your thoughts on Domonic Brown as a reclamation project?

  • He also played LF in deference to Curtis Granderson.

    Meh... other moves to make...hope to see a move or two soon.

  • I haven't seen much Bears football this year - difficult to watch the games out here, but the game I saw the week before I was watching in shock as I saw them actually make tackles. And Cutler has looked really good, too.

    I guess people can quibble about play calling, but the team I saw is way more than 50% better coached (my only very minor disagreement with your comment).

    Under Trestman, the team didn't do anything right. This team played like a well coached team when I saw them play the Rams.

  • "What is sometimes overlooked about Vogelbach because of his "bad body" and because he has struggled so much defensively is that he is a hard worker, has a great attitude, loves to play the game, and is very well-liked by his teammates, and while that may not seem important, teams do actually value stuff like that. "

    As well they should. Replace a word here and there and you are describing any worker someone would hire.

  • Hak-Ju Lee signs a minor league contract with SF Giants.

    Some closure on the 6 degrees of Separation for Matt Garza/Chris Archer

  • Hahahahaha

  • -0.3 WAR in 7.1ip last year...

    -3 WAR projected over the course of a season.

    the cubs just added an all-star reliever's worth of work by losing b.schlitter.


  • Rockies sign Brian Schlitter to a minor league contract. Good luck in Coors Field. Enough said.

  • i'll take him over frandy since it's unlikely he'll progress as a SS (and 2nd isn't looking much better).

    i hope patton's delivery deception skills play well in the bigs over time. cubs need pitching options that are MLB-ready and dude fits the bill for a MLB/AAA mix...both needed.

  • I'm not saying he's great, but can we agree on the word "decent"? Became a pro at 23, called up at 26; nothing wrong with that trajectory, he hasn't been knocking around. Even in the majors his SO9 is 9.7. In the minors it's 12.2, so he's always missed bats, and without being a wild man: his walks are low. He cost the Cubs an unheralded A-ball middle infielder and a roster spot.

  • he's a righty (a 27 year old one that's going to be 28 before spring training starts) that throws low 90s with a low-80s slider. that's as ordinary as it gets for a righty reliever.