Game 160 Thread / Cubs @ Brewers (2 of 3)

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SP *Ted Lilly SP Ben Sheets
16-9, 4.17, 180 K, 63 BB, 198.2 IP
13-8, 2.98, 157 K, 45 BB, 196 IP
RF *Kosuke Fukudome CF Mike Cameron
SS Ronny Cedeno 3B Bill Hall
1B *Micah Hoffpauir LF Ryan Braun
LF *Daryle Ward 1B *Prince Fielder
CF Reed Johnson SS J.J. Hardy
2B *Mike Fontenot RF Corey Hart
3B Casey McGehee 3B Rickie Weeks
C Henry Blanco C Jason Kendall
P *Ted Lilly P Ben Sheets


A Brewers win and a Mets loss (Mets currently up 1-0 in the 3rd) and the Brewers would clinch and the Cubs would know their opponent for the NLDS. To honor the occasion, Lou has trotted out the "B" squad. The game should be on Fox for most of the country I believe.


And hopefully this guy will not pitch a shout out against us-

2-0 Mets in the 6th, went with Johann on 3 days rest vs. Nolasco.

mlb has Ward in left and Johnson in center.
I like the idea of resting some of our players, particularly the one who have nagging injuries, but players becoming rusty can be a factor no?

either a lineup change or Fox Sports messed up...fixed.

I sure am glad the Yanks didn't make the playoffs. For whatever reason, the "smart" people at ESPN-Asia think that the Yankees are the only team people have ever heard of over here. Wake up ESPN and smell the Internet-Satellite-Jet Travel-generation.

it's no different stateside...ESPN is pretty much the NYY/BOS channel 2/3rd of the time.

Wow Cedeno is pathetic. Chad is just insane for wanting him over Theriot.

Though that was the second play where an outfielder should have gotten to the play.

What did Cedeno do?

And yes, Cedeno is still a better defensive player than Theriot.

Cedeno made one error and dropped a fairly basic pop fly, not a good day to be defending Cedeno's defensive skills.

Well... one game doesn't make a player. I don't base an analysis of a player's ability based on one game.

I don't either, but he's still not a good defensive player. I'm not saying Theriot is, but Cedeno is simply not the player to trying to put over Theriot, especially when Theriot is hitting much better.

We need someone better then the Riot at SS, Cedeno is not that person.

Yep. Slightly below average fielder on the season, average for his career. Has a, what, .380-ish OBP and .300 average. Oh, and he's currently earning very near the league minimum.

Plus, with him the Cubs have ONLY 97 wins so far with 160 games played. I mean, the Angels have more wins for chirssakes!

I agree. We "need" a different shortstop. It's not like this is just a matter of wanting a silver slugger and gold glove contender at every position.

Look, the guy is overrated by many and underrated by many, but while he is not the teams biggest asset, he's definitely not among the biggest problems. I for one hope Hendry thinks about CF, the bullpen, backup catcher, a pinch hitter, and the futures of both Marshall and Hill (provided he's in the picture at all next year) before he goes out trying to buy/trade for the next big thing at shortstop. Something falls into his lap, great, but when does that happen?

BIG said: "Well... one game doesn't make a player. I don't base an analysis of a player's ability based on one game."

Last Tuesday, I pointed out that Cedeno didn't get a glove on a playable grounder by Delgado, where the Mets' analyst said that the Cubs had the shift on, but "Cedeno couldn't close on the ball."

BIG said: "Well... Cedeno is the best defensive middle infielder on the team, by far. But you are right, that one play from yesterday means that he sucks defensively."

So that's three plays in one week, and two games that Cedeno jeopardized with his glove in the late innings. Then there was the botched double play in the ninth inning of that Sunday come-from-ahead loss at Cincinnati earlier this month (9/7), which Paul Sullivan compared to Don Young's drop in 1969.

Four plays, three games.

Four plays, three games.

Nice selective sampling.


(starts the season with a HR vs symmetry, catch it!)

Man, finally. If he got on a hot streak that would solve a whole of problems.

Lilly wins number 17, tied with Dempster for the team lead.

That'll be a fun trivia question in a few years.

Nice to see them knock Torres around.
Give them a bit more insecurity about their closer.
Exactly what I was looking for in case we see them again.

And who would've thought that Wuertz would bail us out?

Who's your relief picks now?

I definitely pick Wuertz over Howry, but I know there are a lot of people out there who really don't think much of him.

Really its a no win situation, Wuertz has looked good this week but sucked in his early time with the club, Howry has one good month (may) and sucked the rest of the year. I wouldn't be surprised to see Wuertz take Gaudin's spot on the roster though.

I donno either. I'm glad I dont have Lou's job.

I guess I'd pitch them each one inning tommorow and take whomever looks best.

I think Lou has already made his decision that Howry is in. Gaudin on the other hand is probably in major jeapordy.

Good to get the win, but nobody can say that our bullpen is going to be solid for the playoffs, if that happens its going to be a huge surprise.

Now you have to wonder if Wuertz works his way on there somewhere? I know Lou has had major hate for Mikey in the past but he's the hot hand.

I just want the Brewers to lose tomorrow to either have 1) Monday baseball or 2) Mets in the first round.

Oh yeah not to pile on, but the people who think Ronny Cedeno is a better defensive shortstop than Theriot are crazy. Theriot hasn't looked nearly as bad as Ronnie this year.

Get it done.

from the sun-times:

Mark DeRosa, who hasn't played since developing a strained calf Wednesday night in New York, said he felt better Friday, and Piniella said he hoped to get his most versatile player into Sunday's game to avoid a lengthy layoff before the playoffs.

Carlos Zambrano is expected to start Sunday's season finale for the Chicago Cubs on three days' rest, but he won't pitch more than an inning or two against the Milwaukee Brewers.

(although this article says DeRosa needs a few more days to heal)

...and Paul Sullivan/Trib one ups the Sun-Times (granted it was an AP feed), posting this at 7pm

After naming Carlos Zambrano as his starter Sunday and saying he would pitch an inning or two, manager Lou Piniella switched course after Saturday's game and replaced Zambrano with Angel Guzman.

The Fox camera catching the look on Lou's face after Marquis hit Braun was one of the best shots of the season. I couldn't read his lips, but his face said "can you believe this shit?"

Saw that too.

I was thinking he was saying to Rothschild-
"so much for the reliever experiment."

cedenos miss on pop fly sucked ?

so is hoffp[auer in and pie out?

i liked getting marquis in the game
to bad he choked, i would put him
back in there tommorow.

Derek Lowe will start Game 1 for the Dodgers:

He will then be followed up by Billingsley and Kuroda. If we play the Dodgers, I wonder what the O/U would be on groundouts in Game 1, I would set the line at 37 myself.

per GW/Sun-Times:

11 man playoff pitching staff...Shark has been told by Piniella he's in. (meaning Gaudin out, at least for this round)

Dempster, Z, Harden, Lilly, Marquis, Howry, Samardzija, Cotts, Marshall, Marmol, Wood

also expects Hoffpauir over Pie for last spot.

Todays Bright One written by Telander-

"• • SPEAKING OF THE CUBS, Ted Lilly pitched another very good game against the Brewers on Saturday, earning his career-high 17th win.

I was just in New York for the Cubs-Mets series, and I came out of Tuesday's game with Sun-Times colleague Gordon Wittenmeyer and walked over to the subway station (actually elevated there in Queens) to catch a ride back to my hotel in Manhattan.

Who was standing on the platform but Ted Lilly, with his dad who was visiting from Los Angeles, waiting for the next train like the remaining stragglers.

''I like taking the train,'' Lilly said. He learned the ropes when he played for the Yankees in 2001-02.

He and his Pop sat across from Gordon and me, chatting about baseball all the way.

It's nice to know the common man's touch hasn't spoiled this guy who likely will be a huge factor in the Cubs' playoff dreams."

My take on Lou's look after Marquis hit Braun is that Lou looked at Braun flinging the bat down as a sign that Braun thought somehow that Marquis was throwing at him and Lou was thinking Braun was an idiot.

I was in Milwaukee Friday and Saturday. Gotta give Brewers fans credit, they actually "defended" their own park really well. They outnumbered Cubs fans and were exponentially louder. I go twice a year every year since 2002, and this was definitely the first time that ever happened.

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  • based on what SF has been doing every other year lately, getting access to the postseason playoffs seems to be what's important. bring on dat short series!

    that said, skipping the sudden death 1-game WC would be nice from here on out.

  • I know what you are saying, but I feel compelled to point out that there's no such thing as luck, curses, etc. The Cubs this year have as good as a chance as the Pirates to move on to the next round. If the Cubs proceed to the next round or not tomorrow, it will not be because of luck, but because one team outlasted the other. When/if the Cubs are lucky enough to make it to the league series, that's where they may find their biggest challenge. The Dodgers have a good, deep pitching staff.

  • debuting the new format 1 game "sudden death" WC matchup at yankee stadium does a perfect job of showing the intense emotion and drama this game can be.

    that said, i'm ready to not see yankee stadium or hear fans at yankee stadium for another 5 and 1/2 months. at least i don't have to sit through the braves with their "tommy hawk chawp" this postseason.

  • i'd like to know why the internet radio feed of the game (which is always delayed by a few seconds at best) is almost a minute faster than the ESPN cable TV coverage. wtf?

  • i dont know what order they'll be in, but i pretty much expect fowler/schwarb/rizzo/bryant/montero/castro/lastella/arrieta. any change at all (aside from the first 4 guys) wouldn't shock me, though. coghlan is still a wildcard in the lineup joe could always march d.ross out there with very slow arrieta pitching.

  • Yup. Have to agree. Baseball, like golf, certainly has that psych component for the player. There is no real reason why a fielding position should affect a batting average. The Cubs are 106 years over due for a little luck. Don't you guys think so? Maybe the rookies can bring some dumb luck on.

  • probably stacking capable lefties vs cole while keeping the "hot" castro in the game. fwiw, he's 1-6 lifetime with 0 bb/k vs cole (double).

    i chalk bryant's issues at the plate while playing OF up to coincidence so far.

  • I will call your dead horse, "Trigger".

    In one game, when anything is possble, I am glad that Joe Maddon is our Manager.

    He knows the stats better than all of us. It would seem, IF La Stella gets the start at 3B, it will be only up to the point that they were to get the lead (crosses fingers). From everything I have read, the game will be managed like a hoops game: offense/defense. So expect La Stella to be out of the game by the 5th. This team is incredibly deep which is so surprising. We never woulda thunk it.

  • i don't know what their roster plans are, but j.herrera is out there practicing with the team.

    i can't imagine him making any roster, though. dude had 4 PA the entire month of sept. him being a good dude to be around while keeping the clubhouse loose seems to be his main role at this point.

  • I know it's my own personal dead horse to beat --but Bryant has been a lousy hitter when playing the OF this year. Given that it's his first playoff game, I really hope they keep him in his natural position and don't mess with his routine.

    Lousy as in 8-for-45 with one XBH and no HR. Small sample and all that -- but why take the chance?

  • hard to tell what's up given they'll probably want to stack as many good lefties into the lineup as possible.

    castro being a bit hot doesn't help things. if he was still cool they'd probably stick la stella at 2nd and call it a day.

  • Madden won't announce lineups but Stella is practicing at 3rd and Bryant in LF today. I'd rather see Bryant at 3rd but I guess Stella has been hotter than Coghlan.

    /edit. Though I guess they could be practicing this with the idea Stella would come in as a PH then double switch him to 3rd base and Bryant to LF. Hope that's the plan instead

  • I really like the sound of that idea about expanding the AFL to ten teams. Each org. gets to field more players.
    They should do that anyway, regardless of Adv. Instructs.

  • Dallas Beeler, Corey Black, David Garner, Pierce Johnson, Steve Perakslis, James Pugliese, Duane Underwood Jr, and Rob Zastryzny threw early-morning bullpen side-sessions at Riverview yesterday.  

    Underwood threw last, and received specific one-on-one instruction from pitching coach Mike Mason. 

  • HAGSAG: There are only five advanced instructs squads left, and presently the only "co-op" team operating is the Angels/Cubs.

    The league was originally established as a "parallel" league to the AFL (a sort of "junior AFL"), for players too advanced for traditional ("basic") instructs but who were unable to get placed on AFL rosters due to AFL player-limits.

  • He is but I would think it'd be better to start out with offense and then bring in Jackson and LaStella once they have a lead. Stella has very good PH #s too.