Game 160 Thread / Cubs @ Brewers (2 of 3)

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SP *Ted Lilly SP Ben Sheets
16-9, 4.17, 180 K, 63 BB, 198.2 IP
13-8, 2.98, 157 K, 45 BB, 196 IP
       
RF *Kosuke Fukudome CF Mike Cameron
SS Ronny Cedeno 3B Bill Hall
1B *Micah Hoffpauir LF Ryan Braun
LF *Daryle Ward 1B *Prince Fielder
CF Reed Johnson SS J.J. Hardy
2B *Mike Fontenot RF Corey Hart
3B Casey McGehee 3B Rickie Weeks
C Henry Blanco C Jason Kendall
P *Ted Lilly P Ben Sheets

 

A Brewers win and a Mets loss (Mets currently up 1-0 in the 3rd) and the Brewers would clinch and the Cubs would know their opponent for the NLDS. To honor the occasion, Lou has trotted out the "B" squad. The game should be on Fox for most of the country I believe.

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And hopefully this guy will not pitch a shout out against us-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080927/ap_on_fe_st/bb...

2-0 Mets in the 6th, went with Johann on 3 days rest vs. Nolasco.

mlb has Ward in left and Johnson in center.
I like the idea of resting some of our players, particularly the one who have nagging injuries, but players becoming rusty can be a factor no?

either a lineup change or Fox Sports messed up...fixed.

I sure am glad the Yanks didn't make the playoffs. For whatever reason, the "smart" people at ESPN-Asia think that the Yankees are the only team people have ever heard of over here. Wake up ESPN and smell the Internet-Satellite-Jet Travel-generation.

it's no different stateside...ESPN is pretty much the NYY/BOS channel 2/3rd of the time.

Wow Cedeno is pathetic. Chad is just insane for wanting him over Theriot.

Though that was the second play where an outfielder should have gotten to the play.

What did Cedeno do?

And yes, Cedeno is still a better defensive player than Theriot.

Cedeno made one error and dropped a fairly basic pop fly, not a good day to be defending Cedeno's defensive skills.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2008_...

Well... one game doesn't make a player. I don't base an analysis of a player's ability based on one game.

I don't either, but he's still not a good defensive player. I'm not saying Theriot is, but Cedeno is simply not the player to trying to put over Theriot, especially when Theriot is hitting much better.

We need someone better then the Riot at SS, Cedeno is not that person.

Yep. Slightly below average fielder on the season, average for his career. Has a, what, .380-ish OBP and .300 average. Oh, and he's currently earning very near the league minimum.

Plus, with him the Cubs have ONLY 97 wins so far with 160 games played. I mean, the Angels have more wins for chirssakes!

I agree. We "need" a different shortstop. It's not like this is just a matter of wanting a silver slugger and gold glove contender at every position.

Look, the guy is overrated by many and underrated by many, but while he is not the teams biggest asset, he's definitely not among the biggest problems. I for one hope Hendry thinks about CF, the bullpen, backup catcher, a pinch hitter, and the futures of both Marshall and Hill (provided he's in the picture at all next year) before he goes out trying to buy/trade for the next big thing at shortstop. Something falls into his lap, great, but when does that happen?

BIG said: "Well... one game doesn't make a player. I don't base an analysis of a player's ability based on one game."

Last Tuesday, I pointed out that Cedeno didn't get a glove on a playable grounder by Delgado, where the Mets' analyst said that the Cubs had the shift on, but "Cedeno couldn't close on the ball."

BIG said: "Well... Cedeno is the best defensive middle infielder on the team, by far. But you are right, that one play from yesterday means that he sucks defensively."

So that's three plays in one week, and two games that Cedeno jeopardized with his glove in the late innings. Then there was the botched double play in the ninth inning of that Sunday come-from-ahead loss at Cincinnati earlier this month (9/7), which Paul Sullivan compared to Don Young's drop in 1969.

Four plays, three games.

Four plays, three games.

Nice selective sampling.

FUKUDOME!!!!!

(starts the season with a HR vs Brewers...baseball symmetry, catch it!)

Man, finally. If he got on a hot streak that would solve a whole of problems.

Lilly wins number 17, tied with Dempster for the team lead.

That'll be a fun trivia question in a few years.

Nice to see them knock Torres around.
Give them a bit more insecurity about their closer.
Exactly what I was looking for in case we see them again.

And who would've thought that Wuertz would bail us out?

Who's your relief picks now?

I definitely pick Wuertz over Howry, but I know there are a lot of people out there who really don't think much of him.

Really its a no win situation, Wuertz has looked good this week but sucked in his early time with the club, Howry has one good month (may) and sucked the rest of the year. I wouldn't be surprised to see Wuertz take Gaudin's spot on the roster though.

I donno either. I'm glad I dont have Lou's job.

I guess I'd pitch them each one inning tommorow and take whomever looks best.

I think Lou has already made his decision that Howry is in. Gaudin on the other hand is probably in major jeapordy.

Good to get the win, but nobody can say that our bullpen is going to be solid for the playoffs, if that happens its going to be a huge surprise.

Now you have to wonder if Wuertz works his way on there somewhere? I know Lou has had major hate for Mikey in the past but he's the hot hand.

I just want the Brewers to lose tomorrow to either have 1) Monday baseball or 2) Mets in the first round.

Oh yeah not to pile on, but the people who think Ronny Cedeno is a better defensive shortstop than Theriot are crazy. Theriot hasn't looked nearly as bad as Ronnie this year.

Get it done.

from the sun-times:

Mark DeRosa, who hasn't played since developing a strained calf Wednesday night in New York, said he felt better Friday, and Piniella said he hoped to get his most versatile player into Sunday's game to avoid a lengthy layoff before the playoffs.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/11882...

Carlos Zambrano is expected to start Sunday's season finale for the Chicago Cubs on three days' rest, but he won't pitch more than an inning or two against the Milwaukee Brewers.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/11893...

(although this article says DeRosa needs a few more days to heal)

...and Paul Sullivan/Trib one ups the Sun-Times (granted it was an AP feed), posting this at 7pm

After naming Carlos Zambrano as his starter Sunday and saying he would pitch an inning or two, manager Lou Piniella switched course after Saturday's game and replaced Zambrano with Angel Guzman.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/spor...

The Fox camera catching the look on Lou's face after Marquis hit Braun was one of the best shots of the season. I couldn't read his lips, but his face said "can you believe this shit?"

Saw that too.

I was thinking he was saying to Rothschild-
"so much for the reliever experiment."

cedenos miss on pop fly sucked ?

so is hoffp[auer in and pie out?

i liked getting marquis in the game
to bad he choked, i would put him
back in there tommorow.

Derek Lowe will start Game 1 for the Dodgers:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3613329

He will then be followed up by Billingsley and Kuroda. If we play the Dodgers, I wonder what the O/U would be on groundouts in Game 1, I would set the line at 37 myself.

per GW/Sun-Times:

11 man playoff pitching staff...Shark has been told by Piniella he's in. (meaning Gaudin out, at least for this round)

Dempster, Z, Harden, Lilly, Marquis, Howry, Samardzija, Cotts, Marshall, Marmol, Wood

also expects Hoffpauir over Pie for last spot.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/11893...

Todays Bright One written by Telander-

"• • SPEAKING OF THE CUBS, Ted Lilly pitched another very good game against the Brewers on Saturday, earning his career-high 17th win.

I was just in New York for the Cubs-Mets series, and I came out of Tuesday's game with Sun-Times colleague Gordon Wittenmeyer and walked over to the subway station (actually elevated there in Queens) to catch a ride back to my hotel in Manhattan.

Who was standing on the platform but Ted Lilly, with his dad who was visiting from Los Angeles, waiting for the next train like the remaining stragglers.

''I like taking the train,'' Lilly said. He learned the ropes when he played for the Yankees in 2001-02.

He and his Pop sat across from Gordon and me, chatting about baseball all the way.

It's nice to know the common man's touch hasn't spoiled this guy who likely will be a huge factor in the Cubs' playoff dreams."

My take on Lou's look after Marquis hit Braun is that Lou looked at Braun flinging the bat down as a sign that Braun thought somehow that Marquis was throwing at him and Lou was thinking Braun was an idiot.

I was in Milwaukee Friday and Saturday. Gotta give Brewers fans credit, they actually "defended" their own park really well. They outnumbered Cubs fans and were exponentially louder. I go twice a year every year since 2002, and this was definitely the first time that ever happened.

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  • *facepalm*

    nevermind. i've seen this film before, it sucked.

  • not sure it could be any better, but he gives up a lot on defense...so who knows? Soler's peripherals and inevitable warm weather makes me think he'll get it going soon. Sadly, the D will still suck.

    Baez at 3B with Bryant in OF is looking more and more like the lineup we'll see in Sept/Oct, but again, who knows? I'm not too overwhelmed by Baez's AB's, still looks to be swinging out his ass, but he seems to be making more contact. But a .385 BABIP will not hold...although he should be launching a few more...but damn that D.

  • Yes! Why clog 'em up?!

    Hopefully Hendricks will hit all his spots tomorrow.

    Or, Joe Ross has a really off night.

  • OMG, he had a tough inning of his own doing!!! If only he walked all those hitters on base instead, we could be spared your delusions of 250 IP and consecutive CY Young awards.

    There's a little going on here, that is being made into a lot by you.

    Didn't WISCGRAD already debunk all this last year, certainly ignored by you, but I believe he went through every instance a runner was on base against Lester and how little it ended up mattering. And unlike you, I do not care to repeat myself ad nauseum.

  • ...yet...it's a thing that would happen if there were less 4-5 out innings...like a certain 30-pitch inning he had a couple starts ago. let's not let "good enough" be a stopping point when it could be better. it's a negative aspect of his game no matter how much melt-in-your-mouth-not-your-hand sugar coating one can pour over it.

    this is a game of maximizing advantages and striving to prevent bad situations...no matter how much you come out on the other side smelling like roses.

  • he's 8th in innings pitched in baseball this year and has thrown over 200 innings in 7 of the last 8 seasons. He finished 21st in MLB in IP, 9th in the NL . Plus, going to your bullpen has a much different meaning in baseball the last few years anyway...

    You're looking for a one percentage increase in performance from a guy already outperforming the league by 25-30%. Might as well ask be asking Anthony Rizzo to steal more bases.

  • In honor of playing Dusty tomorrow he's just clogging the bases.

  • ...or he might have more innings under his belt to be very effective in his starts before going to the pen...among other things.

  • Wilson Contreras today for Iowa: 0-for-0 with 2 runs scored. 4 BB.

  • Ross has a 0.79 ERA and 0.97 WHIP. He has a pretty low K rate but he has a ridiculously low hard hit % and no HRS off him yet.

  • Small man gonna small.

  • Wow.

  • Imagine if Schwarber was healthy.

  • J.Zimmermann with a 695 at the moment, Arrieta is second at 495. Ross apparently hasn't qualified yet with just 4 starts and 22 IP fwiw.

  • Cubs Foe Tomorrow -

    The Cubs are facing young Joe Ross tomorrow night for the Nats.

    He has an ERA+ of 542. NOT a typo.

    I don't think I have seen that recently...

  • http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-cubs-start-is-even-more-dominant...

    as if you hadn't noticed, but the Cubs are dominating baseball at the moment at a level that has not been seen too often in baseball history.