Game 160 Thread / Cubs @ Brewers (2 of 3)

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SP *Ted Lilly SP Ben Sheets
16-9, 4.17, 180 K, 63 BB, 198.2 IP
13-8, 2.98, 157 K, 45 BB, 196 IP
       
RF *Kosuke Fukudome CF Mike Cameron
SS Ronny Cedeno 3B Bill Hall
1B *Micah Hoffpauir LF Ryan Braun
LF *Daryle Ward 1B *Prince Fielder
CF Reed Johnson SS J.J. Hardy
2B *Mike Fontenot RF Corey Hart
3B Casey McGehee 3B Rickie Weeks
C Henry Blanco C Jason Kendall
P *Ted Lilly P Ben Sheets

 

A Brewers win and a Mets loss (Mets currently up 1-0 in the 3rd) and the Brewers would clinch and the Cubs would know their opponent for the NLDS. To honor the occasion, Lou has trotted out the "B" squad. The game should be on Fox for most of the country I believe.

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And hopefully this guy will not pitch a shout out against us-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080927/ap_on_fe_st/bb...

2-0 Mets in the 6th, went with Johann on 3 days rest vs. Nolasco.

mlb has Ward in left and Johnson in center.
I like the idea of resting some of our players, particularly the one who have nagging injuries, but players becoming rusty can be a factor no?

either a lineup change or Fox Sports messed up...fixed.

I sure am glad the Yanks didn't make the playoffs. For whatever reason, the "smart" people at ESPN-Asia think that the Yankees are the only team people have ever heard of over here. Wake up ESPN and smell the Internet-Satellite-Jet Travel-generation.

it's no different stateside...ESPN is pretty much the NYY/BOS channel 2/3rd of the time.

Wow Cedeno is pathetic. Chad is just insane for wanting him over Theriot.

Though that was the second play where an outfielder should have gotten to the play.

What did Cedeno do?

And yes, Cedeno is still a better defensive player than Theriot.

Cedeno made one error and dropped a fairly basic pop fly, not a good day to be defending Cedeno's defensive skills.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2008_...

Well... one game doesn't make a player. I don't base an analysis of a player's ability based on one game.

I don't either, but he's still not a good defensive player. I'm not saying Theriot is, but Cedeno is simply not the player to trying to put over Theriot, especially when Theriot is hitting much better.

We need someone better then the Riot at SS, Cedeno is not that person.

Yep. Slightly below average fielder on the season, average for his career. Has a, what, .380-ish OBP and .300 average. Oh, and he's currently earning very near the league minimum.

Plus, with him the Cubs have ONLY 97 wins so far with 160 games played. I mean, the Angels have more wins for chirssakes!

I agree. We "need" a different shortstop. It's not like this is just a matter of wanting a silver slugger and gold glove contender at every position.

Look, the guy is overrated by many and underrated by many, but while he is not the teams biggest asset, he's definitely not among the biggest problems. I for one hope Hendry thinks about CF, the bullpen, backup catcher, a pinch hitter, and the futures of both Marshall and Hill (provided he's in the picture at all next year) before he goes out trying to buy/trade for the next big thing at shortstop. Something falls into his lap, great, but when does that happen?

BIG said: "Well... one game doesn't make a player. I don't base an analysis of a player's ability based on one game."

Last Tuesday, I pointed out that Cedeno didn't get a glove on a playable grounder by Delgado, where the Mets' analyst said that the Cubs had the shift on, but "Cedeno couldn't close on the ball."

BIG said: "Well... Cedeno is the best defensive middle infielder on the team, by far. But you are right, that one play from yesterday means that he sucks defensively."

So that's three plays in one week, and two games that Cedeno jeopardized with his glove in the late innings. Then there was the botched double play in the ninth inning of that Sunday come-from-ahead loss at Cincinnati earlier this month (9/7), which Paul Sullivan compared to Don Young's drop in 1969.

Four plays, three games.

Four plays, three games.

Nice selective sampling.

FUKUDOME!!!!!

(starts the season with a HR vs Brewers...baseball symmetry, catch it!)

Man, finally. If he got on a hot streak that would solve a whole of problems.

Lilly wins number 17, tied with Dempster for the team lead.

That'll be a fun trivia question in a few years.

Nice to see them knock Torres around.
Give them a bit more insecurity about their closer.
Exactly what I was looking for in case we see them again.

And who would've thought that Wuertz would bail us out?

Who's your relief picks now?

I definitely pick Wuertz over Howry, but I know there are a lot of people out there who really don't think much of him.

Really its a no win situation, Wuertz has looked good this week but sucked in his early time with the club, Howry has one good month (may) and sucked the rest of the year. I wouldn't be surprised to see Wuertz take Gaudin's spot on the roster though.

I donno either. I'm glad I dont have Lou's job.

I guess I'd pitch them each one inning tommorow and take whomever looks best.

I think Lou has already made his decision that Howry is in. Gaudin on the other hand is probably in major jeapordy.

Good to get the win, but nobody can say that our bullpen is going to be solid for the playoffs, if that happens its going to be a huge surprise.

Now you have to wonder if Wuertz works his way on there somewhere? I know Lou has had major hate for Mikey in the past but he's the hot hand.

I just want the Brewers to lose tomorrow to either have 1) Monday baseball or 2) Mets in the first round.

Oh yeah not to pile on, but the people who think Ronny Cedeno is a better defensive shortstop than Theriot are crazy. Theriot hasn't looked nearly as bad as Ronnie this year.

Get it done.

from the sun-times:

Mark DeRosa, who hasn't played since developing a strained calf Wednesday night in New York, said he felt better Friday, and Piniella said he hoped to get his most versatile player into Sunday's game to avoid a lengthy layoff before the playoffs.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/11882...

Carlos Zambrano is expected to start Sunday's season finale for the Chicago Cubs on three days' rest, but he won't pitch more than an inning or two against the Milwaukee Brewers.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/11893...

(although this article says DeRosa needs a few more days to heal)

...and Paul Sullivan/Trib one ups the Sun-Times (granted it was an AP feed), posting this at 7pm

After naming Carlos Zambrano as his starter Sunday and saying he would pitch an inning or two, manager Lou Piniella switched course after Saturday's game and replaced Zambrano with Angel Guzman.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/spor...

The Fox camera catching the look on Lou's face after Marquis hit Braun was one of the best shots of the season. I couldn't read his lips, but his face said "can you believe this shit?"

Saw that too.

I was thinking he was saying to Rothschild-
"so much for the reliever experiment."

cedenos miss on pop fly sucked ?

so is hoffp[auer in and pie out?

i liked getting marquis in the game
to bad he choked, i would put him
back in there tommorow.

Derek Lowe will start Game 1 for the Dodgers:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3613329

He will then be followed up by Billingsley and Kuroda. If we play the Dodgers, I wonder what the O/U would be on groundouts in Game 1, I would set the line at 37 myself.

per GW/Sun-Times:

11 man playoff pitching staff...Shark has been told by Piniella he's in. (meaning Gaudin out, at least for this round)

Dempster, Z, Harden, Lilly, Marquis, Howry, Samardzija, Cotts, Marshall, Marmol, Wood

also expects Hoffpauir over Pie for last spot.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/11893...

Todays Bright One written by Telander-

"• • SPEAKING OF THE CUBS, Ted Lilly pitched another very good game against the Brewers on Saturday, earning his career-high 17th win.

I was just in New York for the Cubs-Mets series, and I came out of Tuesday's game with Sun-Times colleague Gordon Wittenmeyer and walked over to the subway station (actually elevated there in Queens) to catch a ride back to my hotel in Manhattan.

Who was standing on the platform but Ted Lilly, with his dad who was visiting from Los Angeles, waiting for the next train like the remaining stragglers.

''I like taking the train,'' Lilly said. He learned the ropes when he played for the Yankees in 2001-02.

He and his Pop sat across from Gordon and me, chatting about baseball all the way.

It's nice to know the common man's touch hasn't spoiled this guy who likely will be a huge factor in the Cubs' playoff dreams."

My take on Lou's look after Marquis hit Braun is that Lou looked at Braun flinging the bat down as a sign that Braun thought somehow that Marquis was throwing at him and Lou was thinking Braun was an idiot.

I was in Milwaukee Friday and Saturday. Gotta give Brewers fans credit, they actually "defended" their own park really well. They outnumbered Cubs fans and were exponentially louder. I go twice a year every year since 2002, and this was definitely the first time that ever happened.

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  • delayed until 7:20 -EST- (tarp off the field)...

    CLE/TOR in the top 18th in case you're bored. 2nd baseman r.goins pitching for TOR...hit 90mph so far. 1ip 2h 1bb 0k, 0 r/er (bb was ibb). he threw a fastball/change mix. crowd loved it. d.ross is not impressed.

    d.barney strands j.lake at 2nd in the bottom 18 for the cubs bluejays...to the 19th!

    -cubs game has begun-

    crunch 8 min 45 sec ago view
  • BRADSBEARD: Javier Assad was still pitching into the 6th inning, and the first batter he faced reached base on an E-4 (that was Assad's 70th and final pitch of the game). Then Leathersich relieved Assad and retired the second batter 4-3 on the first pitch of the AB (the runner at 1st base advanced to 2nd on the play), and then on an 0-1 pitch the third batter in the inning (second one faced by Leathersich) lined into an inning-ending 6-4 DP (baserunner doubled off 2nd base). When calculating GO/AO, double plays and triple plays count as only one out. 

    Arizona Phil 24 min 36 sec ago view
  • Wow. The site actually loaded without an error! Happy 4th all, and Go Cubs!

    The E-Man 1 hour 20 min ago view
  • OK -- my 4th of July resolution is to try to stay more positive. So -- 10 games to the AS break, meaning the Cubs will be in first place at the break! First time since...2008? Also, hopefully, Willson, KB and Javy learned something about Familia yesterday that they can use in the future.

    billybucks 1 hour 55 min ago view
  • Hmmm, my math might be fuzzy but if he retired 3 batters with 3 pitches, how did he get a 1/1 GO/AO ratio?

    bradsbeard 3 hours 20 min ago view
  • Pls DFA Peralta when Richard comes back. Richard 1 IP, O R, O ER, 0 BB, 2 Ks in first rehab appearance. We really need to trade for a LHRP.

    chitownmvp01 3 hours 37 min ago view
  • "The Boston Red Sox were banned from signing any international players for the next year and had five of their teenage prospects declared free agents on Friday after a Major League Baseball investigation showed they circumvented signing-bonus rules last year, a source familiar with the situation told Yahoo Sports."

    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/source-red-sox-b...

    Rob Richardson 7 hours 17 min ago view
  • The thing with Heyward is its not just free agency. He is way under performing his career #s. He's making the same % of contact but his soft contact is much higher and hard contact much lower than all his previous years so there is something very specifically going on this year causing the issues. Chances are he will eventually get back to his previous #s and it's better to get the slump now and get that hot run later but I wish I knew what is different about this year. He's either just not seeing the ball as well or a swing change is causing it.

    johann 7 hours 32 min ago view
  • Only 3 pitches for Leathersich. Not much of a rehab outing.

    Thanks for the reporting Phil.

    QuietMan 7 hours 44 min ago view
  • He's the nastiest pitcher I've seen in awhile. I'm gonna give them all a mulligan on this one.

    Coghlan's strike out was more disappointing. He was fighting off a lot of pitches and not swinging at crap, and on the last pitch, he swung at stuff he was laying off, and struck out.

    And Heyward, too. I don't blame Heyward - I blame free agency. I hate it. You almost never get a valid return on the investment.

    I look forward to the day when ball players own the teams. The current economics are not sustainable.

    Old and Blue 8 hours 45 min ago view
  • Oh, I'm sure you're right. He's not 27-27 in saves for nothing. But, man, I hope they learned last night that he didn't throw a single pitch in the zone to KB, Contreras or Baez, and they all just kept swinging.

    billybucks 10 hours 53 min ago view
  • Sounds like a much better game than last night's fiasco in Flushing.

    Old and Blue 11 hours 10 min ago view
  • I'm pretty sure it looks like a sweet pitch on the way in. How many sinkers like that are there at 98 mph? I agree that they should just do a Lackey and stand their with their bat on their shoulders until he throws a strike next time, but I can see how that's hard to do.

    The bullpen, on the other hand, is a mess, and Heyward is starting to piss me off.

    Old and Blue 11 hours 11 min ago view
  • I noticed that too. He's getting to everything, but when he gets right under it on a high flyball he looks uncomfortable

    cubbies.4ever 19 hours 45 min ago view
  • Did you expect anything different?

    billybucks 20 hours 15 min ago view
  • Wow, did they blow this game. Stupid plays by the kids in the 7th -- Almora throwing to 3rd instead of 2nd to keep the DP in order (when a DP probably wins the game) and Baez throwing to 3rd (to a backpedalling KB) instead of getting the easy 2nd out at first - cost them the game. Also, Contreras almost throws the ball into RF on a nonexistent pick-off play. And Maddon, for using Peralta in the first place. Did they do a bunch of shots in the dugout before the 7th? Unbelievably bad baseball. I thought Almora had a high baseball IQ?

    billybucks 20 hours 37 min ago view