Vote for Cubs 2011 MVP and LVP

It's that time of year again, your chance to vote for the Cubs 2011 MVP and LVP.

2011 Cubs MVP

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Previous winners include:

  • 2010 - Carlos Marmol
  • 2009 - Derrek Lee
  • 2008 - Geovany Soto

WAR values come from Baseball Reference, ranking is for team of course, not the league.

 

Player Stats Notes
Castro 307/342/431 111 OPS+, 2.2 WAR 1st in BA, H, 2B, 3B, R + 2nd in SB, 4th in OBP
Garza 10-10, 3.20 ERA, 198 IP, 197 K, 118 ERA+, 2.5 WAR, 1st in ERA, W, K, WHIP + 2nd in IP for starters
Marshall 2.26 ERA, 5 SV, 34 HLDS, 173 ERA+, 2.5 WAR 1st in ERA, WHIP and HLDS
Ramirez 306/361/510 136 OPS+, 3.6 WAR
1st in RBI, SLG + 2nd in BA, H, R, HR, OBP
Ricketts   Fired Hendry, spent a lot on the draft

2011 Cubs LVP

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  • 2010 - Lou Piniella
  • 2009 - Alfonso Soriano

Player Stats Notes
Jim Hendry   left team with little rotation depth, and lots of dead weight on contracts.
Carlos Marmol 2-6, 4.01 ERA, 34 SV, 10 BSV, 98 ERA+, 0.9 WAR blew league leading 10 Saves
Mike Quade   acted very confused, consistently...
Alfonso Soriano 244/289/469 104 OPS+, 1.4 WAR if you care to concentrate on the value portion of LVP, Soriano gave little bang for the buck
Carlos Zambrano 9-7, 4.82 ERA, 145.2 IP, 81 ERA+, 1.4 WAR similar to Soriano, money paid grossly overstated to  performance given. May have kicked a puppy.

I'll leave it open through the end of the week. Comments always appreciated.

Comments

Garza lost 0.4 WAR for his hitting and Z gained 0.7 WAR for his hitting if that helps anything. The numbers above reflect that, but you may want to ignore it depending on your preferences.

Definitely kicked a puppy.

sportswriters like to smoke fat rocks in BOS, too...

"According to Jon Heyman of SI.com, Bobby Valentine is not a candidate for the Red Sox managerial opening."

...evidently the other hot "okay, really?" name popular in their press is joe torre.

Wasn't Earl Weaver available?

Really, people? Zambrano? He would've probably outproduced Soriano in WAR if management hadn't sent him home, and it's Hendry and Rickett's that screwed the pooch by locking themselves into a "he's not coming back" position.

(I also suspect Zambrano could've outproduced Soriano at the plate and in the field given the chance.)

I'm slightly more appalled by Quade over Hendry right now, who the fuck do people think hired Quade? It's not like year 4 of the Q-Ball era or anything.

i say bring Z back as our new starting 1B. think about it...

if I were to rank..

MVP
1. Castro
2. Garza
3. Ramirez
4. Marshall
5. Ricketts

LVP
1. Hendry
2. Z
3. Marmol
4. Soriano
5. Quade

AZ PHIL: What was the deal with Al Albequerque, again?

Did the Cubs trade him to the Rox in some phantom deal, or was he not designated for the 40-man ever?

I recall you discussing his arm on occasion, and had seen him on your various AFL lists, etc.

I am happy for his success this year with the Tigers, and just was curious what it took for his light to get switched on. Or, did we blow it on another prospect?

traded to Rockies for Jeff Baker, 6-yr minor league free agent that was then signed by Tigers.

http://www.thecubreporter.com/just-how-fast-w...

did have shoulder surgery in 2008

http://www.thecubreporter.com/2008/09/27/cubs...

After being traded to the Rockies for Jeff Baker in July 2009, Alberto Alburquerque was added to the Rockies 40-man roster post-2009, was outrighted in May 2010 (nobody claimed him off waivers - anybody could have), and then he became an MLB Rule 55 Six-Year Minor League FA post-2010 (again, available for anybody who wanted him) and he signed a minor league contract with the Tigers with an NRI to Spring Training.

Thanks, gents.

Alburquerque had good numbers at Daytona in 2009. He was on my radar because his high strikeouts and low hits-allowed (44/26 in 34.2 innings) fed into my Marmol index. If I remember correctly, I squawked a little on TCR when he was traded.

you also squawked when Sam Fuld and Tony Thomas were traded.

I don't know why but people are always accusing me of liking Sam Fuld. Fuld was the last thing in my thoughts when he went in the Garza deal. It was only when Fernando Perez washed out and Fukudome slid into the leadoff spot that I thought, and said out loud, that we always had Fuld for this situation and it was odd timing to have traded him now along with Guyer, someone else who could have led off.

Tony Thomas: you got me there. I did grow to like him after 2010--as did the Red Sox. Second basemen with speed and pop have two advantages over, say, Barney. But I've really gotten to like Coello and wouldn't trade him today for Thomas.

But that's a prospect for a prospect. I'd probably trade Garza today for Lee, Archer, Guyer and Chirinos, with or without Fuld. I'd certainly trade Baker for Alburquerque and Harden + Gaudin for Donaldson. With Donaldson's HR power (35 in last two seasons) and 38% caught-stealing pct., I think he would catch for the Cubs next season.

And of course I would trade Grabow and Gorzellany for Josh Harrison, who could play third next year.

So I generally favor squawking when they trade a nice prospect. Almost invariably, it's selling low.

Well, it was in my blog then, September 10, 2009:

Alberto Alburquerque, by the way, was in my top ten when he was traded to Colorado for Jeff Baker. I take exception when I hear it said that the Cubs got Baker for nothing.

no, you mention it in the thread that day.

Yeah, I see it now.

He has an extraneous "r" in his name--Alburquerque. I spelled it right in my search but wrong in my comment.

appears Castro will runaway with the MVP vote

Z and Q-Ball seem to be the LVP contenders

I liked Marmolaid for LVP, even more when I consider that he was the MVP last year.

Castro was the player most fun to watch, but since we're, in theory, supposed to be entertained by this mess, I guess that's a good criteria for him to win.

Since there was no realistic chance that the Cubs were going to win in 2011, the only person whose actions mattered was Hendry. Sadly he was unable to turn good performances by ARam, Pena and others into young players via a trades.

Thus, in my opinion, Hendry is the only choice for LVP.

Remember he was "handcuffed" by his being fired, to some degree, and also AramRam didn't seem too excited about waiving his NTC.

If Pena nets us a 2nd supplemental pick, that's probably not going to be much worse than what we could have gotten for him.

Not to defend Hendry...

Valid points, and as you note there is still time to correct the problem through draft pick compensation, but IMO the fact remains that Henry's failure to turn over the roster makes him the LVP.

Or the fact that it took Hendry several years of work to produce this shitty roster.

I don't think Hendry's problem was creating a shitty roster, the roster did go to multiple playoffs. Hendry's problem is that he did not react fast enough when the window was closing to really clean house.

A roster that is good in 2008 is not necessarily good in 2011, and he had plenty of time in 2009 and 2010 to realize that and try to do something about it. This is a franchise that ought to be in contention most of the time, particularly in the NL Central--not in contention half the time and pure shit some of the time.

Isn't that what I said?

Maybe, except you started by saying that you didn't think Hendry's problem was creating shitty roster, so that confused me. He created good rosters in 2007 and 2008 (and 2003 and 2004). But he created the shitty rosters in 2010 and 2011 as well.

Rob has the MVPs right, but my LVPs are Byrd and DeWitt. I just hate those ugly swings. DeWitt is supposed to have been drafted for his swing but I just don't see it. When he hits the ball hard, it's a golf shot headed for the foul pole.

Not to sound like one of those villainous scouts in Moneyball . . .

dewitt was supposed to be hitting 20-25+ HR a year by now...meh. i wouldn't mind keeping him around another year.

note Az Phil's post on the Baker for Alberquerque thread...#96:

As for Alberto Alburquerque, he has had arm problems (elbow and shoulder) for much of his carerer, but he's finlly healthy this season and was throwing in the mid-90's at Daytona.

I would compare him to Marcos Mateo (but Alburquerque has a better fastball), and as of right now, I would have rated Alburquerque as one of the Top 5 minor leaguers most-likely to get added to the Cubs 40-man roster post-2009 (along with Welington Castillo, Steve Clevenger, Tyler Colvin, and John Gaub).

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Cubs have gotten mileage out of Baker, wasn't he Quade's favorite cleanup hitter vs leftys? ((facepalm))

2011 split vs LHP (.314/.349/.463/.812)

Baker's a perfectly reasonable short side platoon player bench guy, I'd say that's more valuable than your 4th or 5th reliever.

or at least on par

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  • he subscribes to my twitter, he's beyond TCR. #yolo #swag

    crunch 37 min 7 sec ago view
  • Whoops. Maddon must have been reading TCR (for his daily crunch) and got confused.

    CTSteve 39 min 34 sec ago view
  • kuhl is a righty, not a lefty.

    i think maddon might think kuhl is a lefty, too. i wonder what the reasoning is for baez leading off vs a rightie.

    crunch 1 hour 20 min ago view
  • "trout's one of the best, and at this point should probably win over donaldson (and should have more MVPs in the past, too), but the defensive aspect of valuing WAR still needs more tweaking...imo."

    that's from my 1st post. there's no suck involved in that. maybe with a few less posts about bullshit that point would have jumped out more.

    crunch 2 hours 7 min ago view
  • crunch - you do know that, taking defense out of the equation, Trout has led the AL in wRC+ each of those years, right?

    And, if you want to complain about position adjustment (which would be serious #crunchsplaining), he's been in the top 3 in the AL in WC (not park/league/position adjusted). And the only players ahead of him (if there were any players ahead of him) in any of those years have been DHs or 1B that play lousy defense.

    But sure - Trout sucks (or at least isn't as good as WAR says). Because it factors in defense and position.

    big_lowitzki 3 hours 12 min ago view
  • early tim tebow stuff rolling in...

    ran a 6.7 60yd (above average)...shagging flies in RF and showed off a rather impressive arm a few times, but average-at best on most of his throws...hit a few over the fence (both fields), fouled or weak contact a few...he's got a touch of power

    it'll be interesting to see who bites on this project, if anyone. he probably projected himself out of RF and into LF/1st because of his arm, but unless he can make that power work on a steady basis it'll be hard for him to play himself up anyone's system.

    crunch 3 hours 57 min ago view
  • LHP Clayton Richard (released by the Cubs earlier this month) is pitching very well as a starting pitcher for the San Diego Padres and could be a good candidate to get traded to a contender looking for a veteran SP before tomorrow night's post-season roster eligibility deadline.

    Because they released him, the Cubs are paying most of Richard's 2016 salary (the Cubs are on the hooks for $2M, minus the pro-rated portion of the MLB minimum salary that is paid by the Padres).

    Arizona Phil 5 hours 44 min ago view
  • it is honestly awesome (for real) that anyone would even have a strong opinion on AZL playoffs. i guess if you invest enough time watching it, you want to see a fair/just playoff structure.

    plus, the kids deserve it.

    crunch 5 hours 45 min ago view
  • The AZL team with the best record over the course of the full 2016 AZL season and the only AZL team to play .600 ball (the AZL Dodgers) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, and the AZL East Division team with the best record over the course of the full season (the AZL Athletics) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, either. 

    That's because of the ridiculous "split season" schedule most of the minor leagues now play, a stupid system that rewards mediocrity at the expense of the worthy. 

    Arizona Phil 5 hours 52 min ago view
  • Despite good movement on his fastball, I think location kept him from getting Ks. Left some pitches up and away that got hammered up and away. Then of course Travis Wood gave up the 2-run double in the 7th, but both runs counted against Arrieta.

    Charlie 6 hours 28 min ago view
  • "i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date."

    This level of discourse is #charming.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 6 hours 29 min ago view
  • I would be having this discussion with anyone who (a) blathered on ad nauseum about the topic. (See, "Olt, Mike, not given an opportunity") or (b) responded directly to what I posted (which you did).

    Have a nice day.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 6 hours 31 min ago view
  • what would you do without me? aside from having your posting content here cut by 75%+?

    i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date.

    crunch 6 hours 35 min ago view
  • In this instance, yes, I care more about the result of this big thing that isn't really a big thing.

    #crunchsplaining

    #willlistentojeffsullivanmorethanyou

    #blessyourheart

    #hitler

    #tcrmartyr

    #billyhamiltonwar

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 6 hours 35 min ago view
  • Two things:

    Fangraphs WAR #s include baserunning and Hamilton is elite at that. He leads in SBs with the 54 and and has an 87% rate which is really good. I'm sure once he gets on base he's able to take the extra base quite often too. Both those things will up his overall WAR value.

    The differences between BR and FG WAR is pretty well documented online and thus If there are discrepancies it's fairly easy to figure out why. It's fairly well accepted that BR WAR is fine as a snapshot but FG is better at predicting future value.

    johann 6 hours 39 min ago view
  • i have no doubt at all you quit reading at that point. you're very enamored with outcomes without caring what it takes to get there.

    the fact it's exploitable, especially without someone to cover the running game for him, as well it's evolution in how people are testing possible exploits is interesting to some people...to me...i'm some people...hurrah.

    some people want to check the boxscore to see who won, some want to know how it went down.

    crunch 6 hours 52 min ago view