Cub Bats Mostly Silent at Talking Stick

Micah Gibbs tripled and singled, scored a run, and drove-in another, but the Rockies scored five unanswered runs to overcome an early 2-1 deficit and defeated the Cubs 6-2 in AZ Instructional League action this afternoon at Dust Storm Field at Salt River Fields at Talking Stick east of Scottsdale.

Here is the abridged box score (Cubs players only):


LINEUP:
1a. Zeke DeVoss, CF: 0-3 (K, K, K)
1b. Jeffrey Baez, PH: 0-0 (BB)
2a. Danny Lockhart, SS: 1-3 (1B, E-5, 5-3, CS)
2b. Mark Malave, PH: 0-1 (6-3)
3. Rafael Lopez, DH-C: 0-3 (4-3, F-8, L-6)
4. Reggie Golden, RF: 0-3 (K, F-8, F-7)
5. Jeimer Candelario, 3B: 0-3 (4-3, K, K)
6. Dustin Geiger, 1B: 0-2 (HBP, 6-3, 6-3, R)
7. Micah Gibbs, DH #2: 2-3 (3B, 4-3, 1B, R, RBI)
8a. Justin Marra, C: 1-2 (1B, 4-3, RBI, SB)
8b. Garrett Schlecht, LF: 0-0 (BB)
9. Shawon Dunston, Jr, LF-DH: 0-3 (F-8, 4-3, 4-6 FC, CS)
10. Carlos Penalver, 2B: 0-3 (FC, F-7, 5-3, CS)


PITCHERS:
1. Starling Peralta: 2.0 IP, 0 H, 1 R (1 ER), 1 BB, 0 K, 2 WP, 24 pitches (12 strikes), 2/4 GO/FO
2. Christopher Pieters: 1.0 IP, 1 H, 1 R (1 ER), 3 BB, 0 K, 29 pitches (13 strikes), 1/2 GO/FO
3. Alexander Santana: 1.2 IP, 2 H, 2 R (2 ER), 1 BB, 2 K, 32 pitches (17 strikes), 1/2 GO/FO
4. Tayler Scott: 1.1 IP, 2 H, 1 R (1 ER), 1 BB, 2 K, 31 pitches (18 strikes), 1/1 GO/FO
5. Michael Jensen: 1.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K, 1 HBP, 14 pitches (8 strikes), 3/0 GO/FO
6. Tarlandus Mitchell: 1.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R (1 ER), 0 BB, 1 K, 26 pitches (15 strikes), 2/0 GO/FO


ERRORS: 1
C Rafael Lopez - E-2 (overthrow at 2nd base on SB allowed runner to advance to 3rd base)


CATCHERS DEFENSE
1. Justin Marra: 0-1 CS, 1 PB
2. Rafael Lopez: 0-3 CS, 1 E (see above)


ATTENDANCE: 24


WEATHER: Partly cloudy with temperatures in the 70’s

Comments

Hope you are having fun watching the future.

Quick Question on Marco Hernandez - BA's write up on him for their AZL list said plus speed and plus arm (along with good range at short). On paper, that seems to suggest potential plus defense at short.

That said, I recall, at some point (can't seem to find it right now), you had questions about his arm and thought that he might end up at 2nd base. I'm just curious about your take on BA's write-up.

Also, what's your take on Marco and Jeimer's power ceilings? And is there a reason Penalver seems to be listed at short every game? I thought he was viewed as a guy who would get PT at short.

Oh, one final question, if I might - how did Starling Peralta's velocity and command look?

Submitted by toonsterwu on Thu, 10/06/2011 - 12:36am.
Hope you are having fun watching the future.

Quick Question on Marco Hernandez - BA's write up on him for their AZL list said plus speed and plus arm (along with good range at short). On paper, that seems to suggest potential plus defense at short.

That said, I recall, at some point (can't seem to find it right now), you had questions about his arm and thought that he might end up at 2nd base. I'm just curious about your take on BA's write-up.

Also, what's your take on Marco and Jeimer's power ceilings? And is there a reason Penalver seems to be listed at short every game? I thought he was viewed as a guy who would get PT at short.

Oh, one final question, if I might - how did Starling Peralta's velocity and command look?

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TOONSTER: Marco Hernandez does not have a plus-arm. Arismendy Alcantara and Junior Lake have plus-arms (though not always accurate), and Darwin Barney and Starlin Castro have stronger arms, too.

Hernandez bounces throws to 1st base from the 5.5 hole. He doesn't have to make that long throw from 2nd base, and he has good range, and he's a good fielder, so he should be a very good 2B. I would compare him to Logan Watkins in that respect. He can play SS, and if he hits a lot and you need a SS he can play there, but ideally he would play 2B.

As for his HR power potential versus Candelario, both drive the ball hitting LH and punch the ball RH. While both show loft-power LH, Candelario has a bigger frame and should be able to eventually become a significant HR hitter from the left-side.

As I mentioned last week, Candelario hasn't shown the plate discipline or patience I expected after seeing his walk total from the DSL. He has been more of a hacker so far, but while I can't say this for sure, I suspect it has to do with the Cubs probably viewing Candelario as a future middle-of-the-order guy and wanting him to be more aggressive hitting strikes, and he hasn't quite figured out what that means, so he just swings at everyting. (BTW, the guy who is REALLY patient is Garrett Schlecht).

Carlos Penalver is a flashy SS with enough arm to play there (a "true" SS), but he has been playing more (or as much) 2B & 3B as SS at Instructs because Javier Baez ALWAYS plays SS when he is in the lineup (and is not the DH). And Danny Lockhart is a very good defensive SS, too. But Penalver looks just so much more comfortable at SS than at either 2B or 3B. He looks like he's got that Venezuelan Aparicio-Concepcion-Guillen thing going where "I just want to play SS and don't ask me to play anywhere else."

Starling Peralta struggled with his control yesterday. The problem with pitchers at Instructs is a lot of them are learning a new pitch or a different way to throw a pitch or a different arm slot or their throwing mechanics are being revamped, so they struggole in the process and get less than ideal results. That appears to be the case with Peralta right now.

thanks. As a side question, what's your take on Schlect's power potential? Any more hope than all the pre-draft scouting reports suggested?

Thanks PHIL.

Was wondering about you feelings on the younger Dunston?

Submitted by The E-Man on Thu, 10/06/2011 - 6:21am.
Thanks PHIL.

Was wondering about you feelings on the younger Dunston?

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E-MAN: Dunston had his best game offensively in his first pro game and he has struggled since. He is in a slump right now, and has been really showing his frustration both verbally and with his actions.

He is a more-patient hitter than his dad, but he runs the bases very aggressively.

His defense in CF is VERY good. He has plus-range and takes good routes, and he has a strong arm.

He appears to have been well-coached in the fundamentals of baseball.

Has Epstein zeroed in on by Ricketts FWIW

http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/re...

Hey AZ Phil,

Thanks for these writeups! Quick question: Do you think Zeke DeVoss has a future as a full-time Left Fielder, or is his value likely tied up in the possibility of him sticking in CF? Thanks!

Submitted by Charlie on Thu, 10/06/2011 - 7:05am.
Hey AZ Phil,

Thanks for these writeups! Quick question: Do you think Zeke DeVoss has a future as a full-time Left Fielder, or is his value likely tied up in the possibility of him sticking in CF? Thanks!

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CHARLIE: If DeVoss can maintain a high OBP by walking a lot and if he can steal bases at a high pe4rcentage, he could be an everyday lead-off hitter. And then he could play either LF or CF (as needed). However, B. Jackson, Ha, Szczur, Easterling, Chen, Na, and Dunston are all better defensive CF.

Right now DeVoss reminds me a lot of Dwaine Bacon.

If I had to predict where DeVoss will be on Opening Day 2012, I would say he will be the lead-off hitter and LF at Peoria (figuring Pin-Chieh Chen will play CF and bat #2 and Reggie Golden will play RF and hit somewhere 4-5-6).

Sorry, but I refuse to believe anyone named their child Dwaine. Hopefully DeVoss hits a little more than that guy you just made up.

What do you think about Easterling's plate approach so far? He was marked by us Hendry haters as a hackastic football player when we drafted him, but I noticed he did take a few walks. Seems like Peoria was pretty agrresive place for him to be.

Submitted by The Real Neal on Thu, 10/06/2011 - 9:45am.
Sorry, but I refuse to believe anyone named their child Dwaine. Hopefully DeVoss hits a little more than that guy you just made up.

What do you think about Easterling's plate approach so far? He was marked by us Hendry haters as a hackastic football player when we drafted him, but I noticed he did take a few walks. Seems like Peoria was pretty agrresive place for him to be.

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REAL NEAL: Taiwan Easterling is an aggressive player in all facets of his game.

An aggressive fielder who lays his body out to make a play, an aggressive base-runner who is always looking to take an extra base, and an aggressive hitter who doesn't have a lot of patience.

One thing Easterling probably has to do to ultimately be successful is hit HR and lots of doubles and triples. Because he is NOT a lead-off hitter.

I suspect Easterling will begin the 2012 season at Daytona, playing LF (and some CF when Szczur is the DH) and hitting maybe 6th.

Too bad. Let's hope some power develops.

"Sorry, but I refuse to believe anyone named their child Dwaine."

How do you feel about Dwyane?

Or D'Wayne?

Cubs should aim higher on BoSox
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblo...

He writes like Navigator... and you owe me three minutes of my life.

HaHa

with Athletics Nation, talks about Moneyball

http://www.athleticsnation.com/2011/10/6/2469...

Yeah. I'm not sure that would be the right word, but the feel of the movie, the feel of the clubhouse, the feel of the meetings, the feel of the conversations you have, is probably the most general way I could say it. I thought they did a good job of doing that. And listen, they're making a movie and I thought they did a good job of taking the subject matter that you mentioned and turning it into something that was entertaining and thoughtful.

I finally saw it last night, from a moviemaking standpoint, some really great editing and storytelling. The last 20 minutes from winning the 20th game on are absolutely fantastic. From a truth telling standpoint, there's some eye rollers, but you have to expect that coming in.

I also have no fucking clue what Keith Law was talking about in regards to Carlos Pena's character "as a sullen Latino player". Dude says 5 words in the movie when he's traded and none of it comes of as anything other than, that's how the business goes.

Years ago, I met the real Pappy Boyington at the Oshkosh, WI Airshow/Fly-in. The TV show Baa Baa Black Sheep was on still or in re-runs. I asked him how realistic the show was. He stared at me for a second, signed his book for me, and then said in a deadpan voice, "You know, they weren't making a documentary."

That experience always stuck with me when I'm watching a TV show or movie "based on real life events".

I liked the movie Moneyball.

Wish they would have delved more Into Ron Washington's drug abuse.

cause that seemed pertinent

Damn sarcasm font

how about the oakland A's drug and roid abuse in every level of their system?

there's a story in a AAA triple crown winner being one of the biggest drug dealer in baseball. they could fabricate him passing out needles dripping with liquids in dark alleys rather than just throwing it into people's lockers or mailing it to them.

No mention of Zito, Mulder or Hudson either.

If you stay after the credits there is a flashback scene of Tony LaRussa shooting up Mark McGwire in a bathroom stall. As McGwire ducks out of the camera view, we just hear LaRussa, who keeps mumbling..."I got yer Moneyballs right here."

It made me feel dirty and confused.

i'm now on board for the 'best picture' premature hype.

I also have no fucking clue what Keith Law was talking about

That's something you and Keith have in common.

The Cubs don't have to ask permission to talk to Andrew Friedman, right?

In his blog yesterday, Bruce Miles cited an article in the St. Petersburg Times quoting an obviously demoralized team owner Stuart Sternberg following the Rays' ALDS loss. "Eventually, major-league baseball is going to vaporize this team," etc.

Miles calls this "pretty powerful stuff," and says it's relevant to the Cubs' search for a GM.

I think that's absolutely right. How can everybody in management be happy as clams down there if the team is dying? Sternberg may not be able to get his hands on another team but the other people, including Friedman, can get a job. The Cubs may not have won since 1908 but they have another 100 years to try.

A big part of ticket sales is about expectations. If you let some of your "star" players go, and replace them with Scott Hatteberg, expectations are going to go down, and pre-season ticket sales are going down.

Let's keep in mind that in large part the fans were correct about the team. It just took an epic Red Sox collapse to get them into the playoffs, they didn't seem to be in contention a month ago.

Also, the ballpark is a dump.

Unfortunately I have the Cubs' logo stamped on my forehead or I would be a Rays fan in a heartbeat. They let Garza go and replace him with Matt Moore. Wrigley-ites would go nuts for that team, as is, don't you think?

Come to think of it, some of your favorite Cubs (one, for sure) went over to the Rays last winter.

Let's just grab Friedman (and anybody else over there who isn't nailed to the floor). He can learn how to spend money.

I just read The Extra 2% -- a decent read, by the way -- and Friedman approached building a winner like a Wall Streeter: Take a long-term view; improve incrementally and continuously; and don't be afraid to admit a mistake and move on. He put a ton of money into development -- including facilities and scouting -- and used statistical analysis extensively. He's Ricketts' wet dream, but as a friend of Sternberg's, he's probably not going to move on.

Did Friedman get a bailout and use lobbyists to change laws so he's not accountable for multiple brazen thefts dating back decades? Otherwise the Wall Street comparison isn't fitting.

Levine said yesterday in his chat that Friedman might be waiting for his dad to assemble a group to buy the Astros.

Can Friedman's dad buy the Cubs?

Somebody else's dad already did that.

Apparently the White Sox have named Robin Ventura manager.

Soxtown!

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/19/sport...

dated June 2011...

he is a volunteer assistant baseball coach at Arroyo Grande High. This week, he's in Omaha working as an ESPN analyst at the College World Series.

I know this makes me a bad Cubs fan, but I'm kind of hoping the White Sox do well with him. It would be an awesome fuck-the-system moment.

heh

@bigleaguestew 'Duk
Ryne Sandberg just looked at Robin Ventura's coaching experience and went into a corner to cry.

OldHossRadbourn Old Hoss Radbourn
It is good to know that K. Williams and R. Ventura will have a rock-solid relationship when the team goes 5-157 next year.

wow...and why?

i don't recall him coaching on any level...or even an office job.

...and is bo porter this year's "token black interview" for every team?

Seems the White Sox believe that major league managers are over rated. When was the last time they hired a manager with prior managerial experience?

heard...it's just well, robin's been out of a mlb clubhouse for quite a while. it's just a "woah" pick.

i was kinda shocked at k.gibson getting a managerial gig...then again i was shocked that k.gibson even wanted to be a coach. though he's been a part of some great baseball postseason history (twice, at least) he was known as being a guy who would rather be playing football. he did, though, have so much respect for playing hard and playing it right.

r.ventura never even wanted to coach...now he's back to lead a dugout. i wonder what he has that put him up at the top of the candidates...hell, or even on the list...

Just coaching experience with Ventura would be a plus.
Ozzie was under Cox for awhile.

Six continue to show why they are the stepchild in Chicago.
Ventura hire just a smoke screen for rebuild they are going to go through.

Kenny would never hire Ryno due to his Cub ties.

Do you think he'd wear them in the dugout?

http://www.fansedge.com/Chicago-Cubs-Ties-_24...

It's the Cubs thongs that are the deal breakers.

Adam Dunn, bench coach?

...oh wait, I thought that was his role this year. "Stoopid bench, won't listen to it's coach."

gammons on theo situation on mlb network: "I don't think he even knows"

...did mention that he didn't think theo would stick around in BOS after his contract runs out after 2012, though.

...also he's supposedly "not money driven at all."

Phil:

Tell us more about Golden and Vogelbach, they seem to always appear in your writeups. Two geniune power hitters in the Cubs system, at the same time and at the same level, when's the last time that happened? I mean, based on your descriptions of prodigious blasts and their apparent HR frequency, it sure seems like these two have 30+ HR potential each. Which would be nice.

Cubs should hire Carl Everett as manager. He would make Ozzie look like a Rhodes Scholar.

kevin mitchell would be nice, too.

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  • real shame I missed this week's episode of The Crunch Reporter.

    It's highly unusual.

    It does matter a little.

    It matters much less than you think.

     

     

    Rob G. 1 min 9 sec ago view
  • four winds field is awesome. it's crazy how minor league parks have "grown up" since the 80s/90s and that park was one of the late-80s models that showed a low-capacity ballpark could look like you're at something other than a highschool baseball game.

    crunch 1 hour 6 min ago view
  • On another topic....I returned to South Bend last night for the 2nd time this season (still haven't tried either the deep-fried mac & cheese sandwich nor "The Porknado", as the drive home is over an hour and that could get ugly), and was pleasantly surprised to find D. Underwood pitching in a rehab start. He looked good -- although, to be fair, these are low-A hitters -- fastball consistently at 94-95 (if the SB scoreboard is to be believed -- several pitches were clocked in the 30s...) and with good location.

    billybucks 2 hours 15 min ago view
  • he gains nothing, no advantage, no saving of resources, nothing...there is not a cost/benefit tradeoff...him letting the running game go on around him for others to control isn't gaining him an advantage elsewhere. it's putting him at a disadvantage even if it's not cashed in with a run.

    crunch 4 hours 55 min ago view
  • And out of respect for the rest of TCR, I'm done on this. I'm sure I'm not the only one in the other camp, but time to let it go. (Until the next Lester start. I kid.)

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 4 hours 58 min ago view
  • He is putting himself at a disadvanage. But how much of one relative to the rest of his game? He's not Justin Germano -- he's inarguably one of the best SPs in baseball, issue or not. It would be more of thing to discuss ad nauseum if it constantly caused him to give up runs and lose games. But it doesn't.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 5 hours 8 min ago view
  • shouting down my points about lester with "well, it didn't hurt" is like saying it doesn't matter if a guy starts out walking 3 guys every inning as long it's followed by a K and a double play.

    it's like elevating ERA and wins to a high level while ignoring what it took to get there.

    crunch 5 hours 14 min ago view
  • I'm asking how much it has hurt Lester and the Cubs this year. Do you have that answer?

    I legitimately don't recall you answering that quesion, apart from the condescending silliness you just posted. So if you did answer specifically about the impact of Lester's issue, I'd like to re-read it. Thanks.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 5 hours 27 min ago view
  • if runner = on base and pitcher = j.lester then lead = large

    if lead = large then probability of extra base on following hit > average of mean

    okay, enough of that silliness...

    ...you can read more on the thread i copy/pasted this from the last time you decided you needed to talk to me about me.

    crunch 5 hours 33 min ago view
  • Thank you for your answer.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 5 hours 37 min ago view
  • bless your heart.

    crunch 5 hours 38 min ago view
  • I don't recall you answering my question about quantifying how it has hurt Lester and the Cubs this season, apart from one guy scoring on a sac fly. Can you direct me to your answer? Thanks.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 5 hours 43 min ago view
  • Lester's personal catcher has an .809 OPS.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 5 hours 46 min ago view
  • we already has this asinine discussion. you didn't like the answer. there's already an answer above you can apply about how a guy goes from 1st base to home on a sac fly that included him stealing 3rd while lester watched from the mound. the fact that the cubs bats, 100% independent of that situation, scored some runs invalidates it as an issue to you. i find that stupid. we will not get anywhere with this. you know we will not get anywhere with this...because we already had this asinine discussion.

    #circularlogic

    crunch 5 hours 47 min ago view
  • it's not about SB...it never was.

    jake arrieta being slow to the plate isn't comparable to jon lester not throwing to any base. how the runners read off arrieta isn't anything similar to what a runner is reading off lester.

    maybe arrieta could use a personal catcher solely to control his running game...but i doubt it's that important.

    crunch 5 hours 51 min ago view
  • Can you quantify how this has hurt Lester/the Cubs this season?

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 5 hours 51 min ago view