Ramirez and Pena are Type B Free Agents

The best thing MLB Trade Rumors ever did was buy the rights to Eddie Bajek's reverse-engineered Elias rankings. This year he nailed all but two free agents before the official list came out (Kelly Johnson and Joel Zumaya).

As for the Cubs, Ryan Dempster exercised his $14M option for next year, so his Type A status is a moot point. But the Cubs did exercise their $16M option on Aramis Ramirez last night and it seems to be a mere formality at this point that Ramirez will decline it to seek a multi-year deal. That saves the Cubs $2M on the buyout and the Cubs will likely get a supplemental draft pick if and when Ramirez signs somewhere else as he just missed Type A status and is a Type B free agent. Carlos Pena also qualified at Type B status and his situation is a bit trickier as he could potentially accept the Cubs arbitration offer.

That being said, with about 1/5th of the information that the Cubs front office has on the situation, I would probably take the chance. No, the Cubs probably don't want him back although if they miss out on Fielder or Pujols, there's not a whole lot better out there and he certainly is a guy that "grinds out at-bats". Yes, the Cubs could go cheaper and try Bryan LaHair there, but where else do you spend the money this offseason? There isn't a lot out there in free agency, although with the new regime, you would hope there's more leeway to save money in one season and use it another season. Also, the Cubs need a RF'er and possibly a LF'er and if Pena did come back, they could try LaHair out there. Or the most likely outcome, that Pena just does not accept the offer which the majority of free agents end up doing. And even if he does accept, the Cubs can release him in spring training as arbitration contracts are not guaranteed and would cost the Cubs just 45 days of pay. It's a bit of a risk on the Cubs part to do it, but I think the odds are on their side that it would ultimately be beneficial.

Also should note that Kerry Wood is a Type B free agent, but he already let it be known that he's either a Cub next year or retiring.

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Sullivan tweets Cubs decline Ninja option signing to cheaper deal

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 12:36pm — jacos
Re: Ramirez and Pena are Type B Free Agents
Sullivan tweets Cubs decline Ninja option signing to cheaper deal

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JACOS: Now that the Cubs have declined his 2012 club option, Samardzija becomes an "auto renewal" player (he won't be eligible for salary arbitration until after next season), and so the Cubs can unilaterally cut him a max 20% from his 2011 salary.

So expect The Shark to make around $2.5M (and it would NOT be guaranteed money) in 2012.

This also means Jeff Samardzija no longer has "no trade" rights.

Ramirez declined, and Samardzija's option was declined:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball...

I hate that name. I had to copy and paste it.

How else would you spell "Ramirez"?

Declining Smardsaiza's option - the first move made by the new regime that differs from the old!

"How else would you spell "Ramirez"?"

- haha

I think we'll see a lot of different things from this crew. Should be interesting.

I think Bryan LaHair will platoon with Alfonso Soriano in LF in 2012.

LaHair is a below-average defensive 1B and actually would be a better fit in LF than at 1B. He can also be a back-up at 1B.

If the Cubs offer Carlos Pena salary arbitration and he accepts, and then the Cubs were to sign Price Fielder or Albert Pujols, the Cubs could trade Pena.

While MLB Article XX-B free-agents who sign a contract with a new club (or re-sign with their old team) after the five-day "exclusive" period following the World Series get automatic "no trade" rights through 6/15, Article XX-B free-agents who are offered arbitration and accept do NOT receive automatic "no trade" rights.

So the Cubs could offer Pena arbitration, and he could accept, and then the Cubs could still trade him if they were to subsequently sign a Fielder or a Pujols, or keep him if they don't.

As for RF, the Cubs will need to acquire a proven middle-of-the-order run producer to play there, probably by trade rather than a FA.

I think there is a good chance that Brett Jackson will win the starting CF job (and lead-off hitter gig) coming out of Spring Training, pushing Marlon Byrd to the 4th OF job (replacing Reed Johnson in that role). Or Byrd could get traded.

As for RF, the Cubs will need to acquire a proven middle-of-the-order run producer to play there, probably by trade rather than a FA.

every year since 2005....

If offered arbitration do we think Pena will accept?

I would assume that he would be able to get a multiple year deal, but then I guess he couldn't last off season.

Also, don't the Cubs still owe him $5 million of his $10 million contract?

He'd probably do whatever his agent told him to do, based on what discussions he had going up to the deadline for accepting/rejecting with other teams.

I can't see any team making him a priority, which means his agent will probably hear lots of "we'll get back to you" which means a $10 million contract from the Cubs is going to be mighty tempting. There's not going to be teams lining up to hand out a mult-year deal to aging first basemen who had .819 OPS's last year.

So when it gets right down to it, I expect the Cubs to offer (95%), and I expect him to accept (60%).

Am I a date late and a dollar short on these?

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/ora...

I read in previous post that Quade and Theo have second meeting I picture it kinda going like this-

Quade talks like Gill from Simpsons

Q-"Oh Geez Epy, I'm sorry I scared you off from last meeting. I just got out of the shower and I didn't know you were in the room. My wife had the same reaction the first time she saw me naked too."

Theo-"No problem. What you think about the roster?"

Q-"Well I was going over this with Ivy and Bobby D and I thought we could make some changes in the field..."

Door bursts open...Koyie Hill, Jeff Baker and Blake DeWitt in uniform come in doing a can can.

Q-"Oh geez fellas, you entered too early on the cue. You couldn't pick a worse time.. Eppy? Eppy?"

Florida screen door bouncing off its hinges.

END SCENE

Offer Ramirez

Don't offer Pena and Woody

Target Price Fielder in Free agency 7/150

Target Paul Malholm in Free agency 3/18

Target Nate McLouth on a 1 year incentive laden deal

Trade for Chase Headley

Off-season success, Cubs contending in 2012.

You forgot END SCENE.

That's a wrap!

There is really no reason to not offer arb to Wood. 3 years for Maholm? Are you Jim Hendry?

I think he's a solid 3/4 starter who will be reasonably priced over 3 years. Dempster and Z are gone post 2012. So we are going to need to find someone to competently eat some innings while the rotation is in flux.

Can you think of any FA starter who got a 3 year contract for $18 million, though? That length of contract and $ value just don't add up. You get one year contracts for $5 million or 3 year contracts for $30 million.

My thinking was he'd be somewhere between Zack Duke and Ted Lilly last year.

Even on a 1 year deal I think the guy makes sense. Even if he bolts post 2012 he will still likely be a type B free agent.

I wouldn't be against Maholm, but his WHIP has had some pretty wild swings in his career. That said he's about to turn 30 and should be in his prime. But as TRN said, the free agent class for starting pitchers is awful. I could see some team handing Maholm $10-11 mil per year for 3-4 years, especially if Jim Hendry is bending anyone's ear :)

Possible, I figure he'd get 3/24 at max. I kind of view him the same way I view Ted Lilly when he was here. Not an ace by any stretch.

Just a solid above league average starter who takes the ball and goes 6 innings every 5th day.

The Pirates just declined a 1 year 9.75 option on him. So surely the market has to be in that range?

anyone who gives maholm 8m a year, multiyear, to throw a 87mph fastball, a curve, and little else needs help, imo.

i don't get this serious debate about the guy. he throws a curve ball and keeps the ball in the park. meh.

Ted Lilly'd

Lilly threw a better curveball and had a real nice change-up.

Maholm has shoulder issues.

Agreed. Lilly as a Cub was 47-34, with a 3.70 ERA...ERA+ of 122...

Maholm is no Ted Lilly.

Well... The Cubs need help...

There is no way in hell, with so many holes to fill, that Prince Fielder is going to get signed by the Cubs.

I wish people would understand this, that under these circumstances, this is not the Epstein way.

Adrian Gonzalez disagrees

Adrian Gonzalez agrees with me because they had the money due to their TV deals, nearly unlimited payroll, and the team was coming off 90+ win season.

Much different situation than the Cubs.

If you want to bet, I'll be happy to either lose and the Cubs get a fat power-bat at 1B, or I'll take your money.

Did the Cubs suddenly become a small market team? We already have Rammy and Pena coming off the books. Those guys equal about what Fielder and Headley will cost in 2012.

When they have to eat a $ 19 million contract next year, and have black hole contract in left for $ 54 million for next and they have to rebuild stadium.

Those contracts are fixed/sunk costs at this point.

I doubt that Theo came aboard with the thinking that the Cubs are going to start cutting payroll. And based on Pena, Ramirez and Grabow leaving. We should still be able to add somewhere between 20-30 million in payroll in 2012.

He should be able to add payroll, but the bigger question for 2012 is, if we aren't realistically going to contend, why add payroll? If it's a move like adding a premium player a year early, I can understand it on that level because those guys aren't available every year (i.e. Garza).

But the bigger question really is, can they field a contending team next year with all of the holes on this team? They would need some very lucky moves, because the free agent pool is pretty weak. Theo has made a point of repeating in several interviews that he doesn't like the idea of short term fixes that might make the team good for a year but see us dropping off again for 2-3 years. He wants to build an organization that can contend consistently, which sounds great. If it takes stepping back for one year to get a better grasp of what talent we have, while slowly adding good pieces, and getting good coaches in place throughout the entire organization to develop the kids into solid major leaguers, I'd rather do that than rush out and give away huge contracts again that we will later regret.

Not sure where you're getting your info, but Theo pretty clearly said he intends to make moves that will give the Cubs a chance to contend this year.

Not sure where you're getting your info, but Theo pretty clearly said he intends to make moves that will give the Cubs a chance to contend this year.

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Where am I getting my info? Theo's 87 interviews where he repeated this in almost every one of them.

Here is one quote from one of the 87 interviews where he addresses this very issue:

"What can you say to Cubs fan to expect from next year’s team?" (asked by Waddle and Silvie, ESPN 1000)

Theo's response:

“The work of building a foundation is going to take some time. We have to enter every winter no matter what is on the roster or what happened the year before saying what can we do to put ourselves in the best possible position to win. Opportunities to win are sacred. We know our fans feel that way and we feel that way. Our fans deserve it. The interesting part comes when those two interests conflict. If we are faced with a situation where there is something to do to marginally improve next year’s club and make it more competitive but it takes away a lot of resources such as too much payroll or prospects. When it’s time to break that tie I’m going to defer to the long term health of the organization. Simply because I think what Cubs fans really want as much as you’er excited about 2012 and making sure we’re competitive, trust me I’m excited about that too, but I think what you really want is to be competitive every year. You don’t want that one year where things go well and you happen to win ninety two games and a couple series and then you disappear for the next five years. I think what this is all about is building a foundation to have a core that can get us in deep, deep into September and October every single year. Then we can make tweaks each winter to maximize that chance.”

http://sportsradiointerviews.com/2011/10/26/t...

He said that same thing almost word for word in multiple interviews.

How does Fielder play into what you posted? If someone said "Sign Fielder, Sabathia, Sizemore, Wilson and Bell", that would apply, but if Theo thinks signing one player to a six year deal is going to cripple the franchise, he probably wouldn't have signed two of them last off-season. He's really just saying, "Don't expect a repeat of 2006."

You really don't understand that the talent and situation of the Red Sox were/are in is completely different than what the Cubs currently have, do you?

Theo has said signing a big free agent deal when you feel you are one player away from winning is the only time it makes sense. AKA, Gonzo and Crawford being added to a contending team.

The Cubs don't have a core to build around right now. You could sign all of the guys you just named and we aren't winning the division, and you'll be regretting those moves in the near future. Each one has major issues.

Signing any big money, long term deal with any free agent right now doesn't make sense for the Cubs. Maybe they'll have a much better core group of players by this time next year that they can start looking at big money free agents, but this offseason isn't going to be it.

Where are these building blocks going to come from? What impact ace pitcher or corner bat is coming up through the system?

Bottom line is that the Cubs are a top 3-4 revenue franchise right now. They aren't going to generate much goodwill with the franchise by punting 5 years and pretending they are the Pirates.

You're right, my bad. After next season when Theo thinks the Cubs are ready to contend, he's going to go after James Loney to fill the void at first base. That will put us over the top.

Loney's a non-tender candidate for the Dodgers this offseason. I don't see it happening. But it's been mentioned as possible.

I think they NEED to ATTEMPT to be competitive.

Ricketts spent too much on the franchise to allow a perception that he isn't trying to be competitive. I'm not advocating that we sign a bunch of vets and set lighting traps.

Fielder, Headley, Maholm and even McLouth are additions that will be useful beyond 2012.

None of the guys other than Fielder will break the bank either.

I'm advocating a measured approach to bridge us to a farm system that can produce in 3-4 years.

paul maholm is throwing 88mph on a good day lately...numbers aside. he used to work 89-91, now it's 86-88. his curve is nice, but that's his only "good" pitch right now and it's velocity is crawling closer to 70mph even if it does have a big break on it.

and what's mclouth supposed to do? ...be a $1-2m bench player?

I think that defense will be more of a focal point organizationally going forward.

McLouth gives a capable defender at all 3 outfield spots and offers insurance in case of injury or Colvin-ing.

Figure he'd be a good "buy-low" bounce back candidate on a cheap one year deal.

Isn't McClouth consistently rated as piss-pour in CF? Hard to imagine he has enough arm to be an asset defensively in RF. Not to mention he has only about two and a half seasons worth of decent offensive production. If he came cheap he'd be fine for a team that needs a warm body in left field. The Cubs need an impact bat for RF, if they need any outfielders.

That's like comparing jock straps with red socks.

One team is perennially contending and at its maximum return on wins per dollars spent. The other team is looking to jettison garbage contracts and hash out what kinds of assets it has in its system.

If Epstein thinks that Fielder is a guy likely to produce for the next 6 years at a very high level, he'll go after him. When you talk about the best players in the game, they don't become available every off-season.

If the Cubs are going to contend in 2013 or 2014, who's going to be their big masher at first (or 3rd, right or left where almost all contending teams have at least two and preferably three power bats)?

That being said, it doesn't look like Epstein feels that way about Fielder, but he may just be smoke screening.

That's probably a good assessment of where the org is at. But I fail to see how he's a good bet for 2015-7. Some top B-R comparables: Juan Gonzalez, Jose Canseco, Kent Hrbek, Greg Luzinski, Jim Rice, etc. At seven years, the dude is a gamble. Maybe a winning bet, but it's still gambling.

BP Comps...

Griffey Sr., Helton, Teixeira, Dunn, Mayberry, Bagwell, Thome, Daniels, Frank Thomas, Bonds Sr.

Throwing out Daniels, Teixeira, and Dunn (Daniels out of MLB before he reached those years), the rest of the list only averaged an OPS+ of about 4 below their career average across what would represent Fielder's 2015 through 2017 years (which would includes generally some worse numbers as they go 34+). The three thrown out though would make those numbers look much worse, Dunn and Teixeira had bad years this year.

Player 31 32 33 Avg Career Difference
Griffey Sr 120 103 121 115 118 -3
Helton 144 117 133 131 136 -5
Mayberry 119 128 91 113 123 -10
Bagwell 162 152 139 151 149 2
Thome 197 154 144 165 147 18
Thomas 125 163 94 127 156 -29
Bonds 136 133 122 130 129 1
-3.666666667

Based on that, not a slam dunk either way.

Fangraphs did a article the other day. Gloomy results, but there were a lot of problems with his methodology.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/how-...

I wonder whether Bonds is a relevant comparison for any player playing outside of the steroid era, though I'm not sure at what year we speculate as the beginning of his steroid regimen. It's possible that the same concerns are justified for Bagwell. Thome, on the other hand, put up some pretty monstrous numbers even after testing was implemented.

I have no idea what to do with Fielder's comps. Not to mention, how many of them had the same kind of body type concerns that frighten potential Fielder suitors?

Bobby Bonds could have been a roider but he's not generally associated with it.

BP's comps include height and weight, though you're not going to find any really good comps for a guy like Prince. He's pretty much unprecedented physically/talent level.

Ah. Short memory on my part. I forgot it was Bonds Sr.

Regardless of how you folks banter the stats around, apparently, Theo and Jed use a customized, proprietary set of metrics that we can only guess about.

So, the way you are evaluating Fielder with the armchair GM view, other than the obvious financial implications, is purely marginal speculation according to everything I have heard.

If they did use customized proprietary metrics, those are now properties of the Padres and the Red Sox, though they probably would have taken a peak at some possible Cubs targets before they went out the door. They're going to have to build it all over with the Cubs.

Based on the Crawford signing last year, Theo seems to like what the amateur community has come up with, at least in evaluating outfield defense.

Bonds' steroid use started after 1998 didn't it? The following year is when he shredded his elbow, then blew up like a balloon in 2000...went from 205 lbs to 228 lbs...in an offseason? Oof...oh and his head got ginormous!

Dunn had a horrific season. Teixeira?
.248/.341/494 with 39 HR and 111 RBI.. .268/.394/.568 with RISP.

Good point mostly though...so it could go either way with Fielder..hmm..

OK, Teixeira had a bad season, lower than Carlos Pena's OPS+, for example. When you're paying a first basemen more than $20 million, you want a lot better than that.

Let me put it another way...I suppose I'd take that kind of season from my 1B. Maybe not for $20 mill. I wonder what his deal is? His batting average has been down 2 seasons in a row.

Padres interview Q&A with Jason McLeod...

http://tinyurl.com/3bajo2q

Good stuff there.

cc sab re-signs with the yanks...as expected.

Ronnie "Rock for Brains" Cedeno's option NOT picked up by Pittsburgh. I've never seen a player with a more arrogant attitude who sucks more than Cedeno.

For me, I would just substitute "is more stupid", than "who sucks..."

I like to imagine Ronnie still, at odd moments, pondering why he got thrown out after oversliding 2nd on an attempted steal on ball 4. "Why...why?? Blast!!"

Carrie Mustache is one damn fine writer:

"CHICAGO -- There are some hitters whose at-bats you don't want to miss. Starlin Castro is one of those players.

The Cubs' shortstop doesn't launch balls over the left-field bleachers and onto Waveland Avenue at Wrigley Field on a regular basis. But Castro does hit, and he did that more than any other player in the National League this past season."

"What Castro does need to improve upon is his defense -- he led all Major League shortstops with 29 errors. He has been known to botch a throw, yet he can scramble and track balls and fire a strike to first off balance that makes you gasp and wonder, "How did he do that?" "

Poetic, even.

Oh yeah, he's up for some stupid-ass award:
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...

Winner of the GIBBY gets a gi-normous steak, a double baked potato and a slice of multi-layer carrot cake for dessert?

http://tinyurl.com/3k874sp

Also, Quade gets Piniella's vote of confidence, so, uh, he's got that going for him, which is nice.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/717...

mlbtr has it's predictions on 50 free agents...

Pujols to Cards. Prince to the Mariners.
ARam to the Orioles (they probably forgot that McFail is gone).
Carlos Pena to the Pirates.
Cubs get... David DeJesus, Joel Piniero and Kerry Wood.

http://tinyurl.com/3zndpdw

Wait, why do the Cubs want David Dejesus? Seems like a similar offensive player to Fukudome, in terms of production.

Wow..they really went out on a limb predicting Kerry Wood would come back....
Pineiro? Ugh...

On Beltran: He's a 34-year-old Scott Boras client who's likely to seek at least three years despite significant injury concerns in 2009-10 and a disinterest in being a designated hitter. It'll take a team with a right field opening and a tolerance for risk.
Sounds sort of like JD Drew.

Pfft...while he's wishing for things, how about a unicorn?
Please let the Cubs take a pass on Beltran..... lol.

I'd be OK with them taking a pass on everyone, except a real manager, but I don't think that's going to happen. The Aram money will probably get spent.

If it's not going to be on Fielder.. where should it go? A platoon RF combo? A bagain SP (Colon, Maholm, Cook, Piniero) ? Is there an upgrade to Baker on the FA market at third?

With what's out there at 3B..I'd rather see if Lemahieu or Flaherty..or even Vitters could do a decent job. I mean, Wilson Betemit...blah.

"The Aram money will probably get spent.

If it's not going to be on Fielder.. where should it go?"

Maybe to buying out Soriano?

I'd rather try and swap him for someone else's junk. If Fielder isn't an option then what about a Soriano for Dunn swap? Hope a move back to the NL and everyday play will bring his stroke back.

That's an interesting idea...but if Dunn doesn't bounce back, he's a worse Soriano, for slighly less money. Ugh..what a revoltin' development..

If it were up to me, I would take 2012 as a year to clear the decks and start anew. Heck if they could figure out a way to begin reconstructing the grandstands I would be happy to have the team play in Milwaukee in 2012.

boras is no longer beltran's agent...

Cardinals decline options on Furcal and Dotel.

Shark interview with Levine...

"Hey, I know my contract was from the last regime, but this is a business," Samardzija said. "They did what they had to do. I'm fine with that.

"I'll miss Jim (Hendry), he's one of a kind, and he was a major reason why I chose to play baseball over football," Samardzija said. "But it's a new day with the Cubs. I'm just hoping they have a plan for me and I'm hoping that plan is as a starting pitcher."

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/717...

Me too, though I hope the plan isn't set in stone.

Still the best WR in Chicago.

Boston article with Cherington quotes regarding the Theo compensation talks and the possibility of other Red Sox suits coming to Chicago.

“It’s a difficult deal to work out. It’s hard to quantify the value of a Theo Epstein. I have an idea of it, and Theo doesn’t think he’s worth as much as I think he is, and we haven’t bridged that gap.’’

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_...

Levine says the first meeting between Epstein/Hoyer and Quade last thursday was 7 hours, in Chicago (not Bradenton, FL).

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/717...

If the meeting was 7 hours, then I assume it was lunch meeting at an all-you-can-eat buffet.

What? Hendry's gone? No more eating jokes? :(

I think the only jokes now apply to Hendry. Having met Quade, and obviously seen Hoyer and Epstein, I have a lot of work to do backing away from the table.

Hopefully Theo will get fat.

Red Sox considering Sizemore for RF...

wonder if both teams will be consistently vying for the same players.

CPat, $1.1M option declined by StL.

(somewhere Felix Pie is feeling a tortion/twinge)

So, does CPat get a ring??

Jake Fox, free agent.

I'm just sayin'
(just say no)

The king of spring training

minor league numbers > actually looking at the player

long live jake fox...viva jason dubois. israel alcantara for president.

Didn't Fox slug like .450 last year?

Major league numbers > actually looking at the player

Guy who can play defense > Jake Fox.

I can easily see a roster next year that includes B. Jackson, Flaherty, LaHair, Campana and Pena, all lefty hitters, with Colvin trying to straighten himself out so he can join them.

There might be room for a righty-hitting OF or 1B (or 3B), but not another lefty. Of the names mentioned above, only switch-hitting Beltran makes any sense to me (but not for three years).

I yield to no one in my dislike of Soriano, but in this environment he actually serves a purpose.

There are a few fast-rising righty-hitting OFs in the organization, most notably Ha and Szczur.

We need to find a way to fit J.R. Mathes and Les Waldron in there as well.

No tips on team building from you, thanks anyway, since even you realize that the White Sox would trade Adam Dunn's contract for J.R. Mathes or Les Waldron any day of the week.

One guy is a borderline hall of fame player and the other two are career Minor League filler.

Who'd trade careers?

Uh.....Dunn has had a nice career...but 1312 hits? 1 AS game? 0 MVP's?

I mean, he's no Les Walrond....lol.

Hits and ASG's is the criteria now?

I could be wrong, but I don't think he's done. I think he gets back to the NL and plays everyday and reverts back to form somewhere.

Soriano is suck cost to the Cubs. Might as well take the flyer on Dunn if you can pull that swap. Worst case is you have Dunn as sunk cost instead of Soriano.

Dunn and Soriano are equally replaceable if they continue to suck. It doesn't really matter a whole lot who would suck worse, as no one is going to trade value for them in that case anyway. The question, really, would be, who is more likely to outproduce their potential replacement, and by how much? Dunn seems to me like he could outproduce his potential replacement by more--I have no idea how likely he is to "return to form," though.

while reading that Dunn is a borderline HOF'er literally made me laugh out loud...I'd probably take Dunn over Soriano if the offer is on the table. Can't imagine why the White Sox would do it.

Dunn is 4 years younger and if he does have some sort of bounce back, then you stand a small chance of moving him as a DH later down the road.

No one is going to want a RH-hitting DH with a .290 OBP.

My thinking is that Soriano offers a little more defensive flexibility. Both guys could also use a change of scenery.

It's just a 2012 version of Bradley/Silva.

Soriano can butcher LF or RF.

Dunn can butcher LF, RF or 1B.

where is the more in that?

Soriano can butcher 2B too. He's able to butcher a more skilled position.

Soriano hasn't played 2B (more than a game or 2) in 6 seasons. Safe to say, that isn't happening.

Soriano is the poster child for Theo's term 'sunk cost'. You trade him and pay probably 90% of his salary or you cut him and move on.

The only criteria? No. But find a HOF player from the modern era with 1300 hits...0 MVP's, etc.
He's a good power hitter, or at least he was until kryptonite caught him last season, or something.

Rotoworld blurb on G. Sizemore

He's played in only 104 total games over the past two seasons, but several teams are expected to make him incentive-based offers this winter in an attempt to catch lighting in a bottle.

That's slightly different than catching lighting in a can. I have done this several time in my condo. We even have these switches on the wall to activate the lighting.

will figure out how to actually make reading their stats user-friendly...

they've put up their own plate discipline stats, slightly different than Fangraphs, and you'll be shocked to learn that Soriano was 3rd worst in baseball at swinging at pitches outside of the zone among regulars (Vlad and Fat Panda ahead of him).

Reed Johnson pretty high on the list as well.

Soto seemed the best at not swinging at outside pitches, about 21st among hitters that saw at least 1000 pitches (289 total qualified).

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