Cubs Send Aaron Kurcz to Red Sox to Still Not Complete Theo Compensation

Back when Chris Carpenter was announced as being sent over to the Boston Red Sox for Theo Epstein, I mentioned that the deal still can't properly be evaluated because there were still 2 players to be named later involved. There was some talk that it was just a logistic move, that the Red Sox had to send a player  to the Cubs besides an executive and the two players would be non-news. Well that turned out to be B.S. Today the Cubs announced they're sending RHP Aaron Kurcz to the Red Sox and we still don't know who the Cubs are getting. Temples were built in less time.

As for Kurcz, he's hardly a nobody, a matter of fact I was going to put him around #15 on my prospect list I was hoping to get out for Monday. He was a teammate of Bryce Harper at College of Southern Nevada, but beyond that coincidence, he's a 21-year old power righty reliever with a 9.9 whiff rate to go with a 3.7 BB/9 ratio. He might not be the quality of Chris Carpenter, but certainly not someone to just dismiss.

As the baseball world turns...

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Cubs pitchers gave up 16 hits and walked six vs. the Diamondbacks. Jeff Beliveau walked two batters with the bases loaded to force in two runs and then served up a grand slam to Paul Goldschmidt in a seven-run seventh.

didn't take the demotion too well

DeWitt hit on hand, X-rays pending. Stewart out a few days with sore quad, Barney d2D with tightness in left side.

Bunting Final 4 tomorrow
Coleman vs. Maholm
DeJesus vs. W. Castillo

So here's my question: I feel like #15 on a prospect list IS nothing but I've never sat down and studied prospects turned into decent to good in the majors. Outside of the 1 in a 1000 chance teams get, is there some sort of study looking at how far down the prospect list you can go before the chances of someone ever being worth anything to a team fizzles out (again outside of the rare event)?

I don't know about the study and I doubt anyone will end up too upset over 2 guys whose upside is late-inning reliever. But also, probably a better chance they have some semblance of a major league career over a starting pitcher or barely top 10 position player, since they are relievers with allegedly good stuff.

if that makes any sense....

the ceiling may not be as high, but the floor is probably higher too. Let's compare to Flaherty who I would probably had around the #10-#12 range. While he still could end up being a decent regular, I could also see him doing absolutely nothing of note in the majors. While Carpenter and Kurcz would surprise me a little if they dont' spend a few years in the pen and quite possibly solid late inning relievers.

Yeah the reliever thing makes sense for sure and I've always felt overpaying for relievers vs getting them from the minors is a bad idea. I've just seen a lot of prospect lists where I've felt like once you get past #10 or something what's the point in talking about them. I'd just be interested to see an actual look at what those prospect #s tend to mean relative to the majors.

Doesn't this seem to suggest that the Cubs might be getting a player back that they sort of like, albeit not a player with a very high ceiling? If that's not the case, I don't understand what's going on.

you would think, but who the fuck knows at this point.

Aside from baseball reasons, it would be AWESOME if the Cubs got a guy worth a damn. Not because it would make the Cubs better, but ultimately JUST to watch that BoSox journalist have an epic spaz-out! Here's hoping whoever we get is a player for that reason alone . . .

top 20 list of Red Sox prospects

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/12/13/263...

whomever the Cubs get, Nick Cafardo will complain about it.

T-O-R starting pitcher prospects have more value than do late-inning relief prospects, BUT, a bullpen is VERY important, and it should be possible to build the pen on the cheap from within the organization.

However, after trading Andrew Cashner to SD for Anthony Rizzo and sending Chris Carpenter to Boston as the front-end of Theo Compensation, Aaron Kurcz, Kevin Rhoderick, and Tony Zych were the three young near-MLB ready power RH relievers left in the Cubs system.

So losing both Chris Carpenter AND Aaron Kurcz as Theo Compensation is not good.

Unless we get a power pitcher relief prospect in return from Boston?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 6:38am — SheffieldCornelia

Unless we get a power pitcher relief prospect in return from Boston?

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SHEF: That would be nice, but I kind of doubt it.

The report was that there are three players on the list, and the Red Sox get to choose the player.

That makes it sound to me like the PTBNL might be a choice between the three LHRP on the Sox 40-man roster who are out of minor league options:

Felix Doubront
Andrew Miller
Franklin Morales

And the Cubs get whichever one doesn't make the Red Sox Opening Day roster (which would make it the Red Sox "choice," in that sense).

Agreed. We ended up giving away an awful lot of MPH for a suit.

Would you rather still have Hendry's sports shirt?

That thing was outrageously expensive at times.

I'll happily bet anyone that Theo/Hoyer have a greater impact on the Cubs winning over the next 5-10 years than Carpenter and Kurcz though.

Nonetheless, the Red Sox certainly got 2 useful players out of it.

I agree--I'm happy to shake up the front office and try to get the best guys available there, and I'm thrilled to see the organization take the idea of rebuilding seriously.

This seems like a damn good return on a GM, though. Will the Cubs ever be sending some sort of compensation for Hoyer?

list has been agreed upon, supposed to be taken care of by end of spring training.

"low level minor leaguer" seems to be the only clue, something about not being on the 40-man

to minor league deal

That makes it sound to me like the PTBNL might be a choice between the three LHRP on the Sox 40-man roster who are out of minor league options:

Felix Doubront
Andrew Miller
Franklin Morales
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Can you provide any insights as to these three? I know most about Andrew Miller because he was in the Cameron Maybin-Miggy Cabrera trade and was supposedly a high end prospect at that time (but has underachieved ever since). I kind of remember Morales from his days with the Rockies. Hopefully Doubront doesn't remind me of Felix Heredia.

hanging out at the SABR conference, apparently grew up a Royals fan.

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  • Ryan Pace has a reputation as a good judge of talent. Head coach is known for the D side of the ball. D coordinator Fangio known for fitting guys in to spots that best utilize their skills. I'm for seeing how it plays out. I assume their had to be some consensus among those 3 about who to take.

    Also I'm for letting the Cubs catch up to the Hawks in victory parades before Theo takes on outside projects.

  • RIZZ! unf...8th inning lead.

  • we might have seen another inning of lester out there if he didn't throw 30 pitches last inning because of a base throwing issue...on a day where he's very tuned in.

    i've accepted what's happening with lester, but turning a double play into 0 outs is noteworthy even if some people don't want to be reminded of it.

  • A lot of batters simply can't bunt is one problem.

  • I'm pretty sure there is not a single person ignoring it at this point In all of baseball and it's a thing everyone is talking about.

    That said he also managed to get out of a bases loaded, zero outs situation with no runs given up and that is something very few pitchers could do and it wasn't just because of a few balls called strikes. So....Let's not just talk about Lester when there are throwing issues because there has been a lot more good than bad just this game let alone this year.

  • there's nothing anyone can do about anything going on out there. i don't even post every one he fumbles into. i also post about HRs and other crap. it's happening, good or bad things are happening.

    this is an interesting thing to me. just because it's a negative thing doesn't make it "woah."

    we had 1000000000 posts about leadoff men and 2nd batters during the dusty years when everyone knew speed leads and contact-with-low-Ks hits 2nd. we all knew what's up. some people talked about it.

  • Have I mentioned how much I love TLS?

    Guess I should have waited to post that.

  • Ignore it? You talk about it all the time. I'm sure the rest of the board notices, but just doesn't feel the need to harp on it. It is not like we can do anything about it anyway.

  • that's an interesting leap.

    so, we ignore the thing that keeps happening and if one chooses to not ignore it then one obviously wants to replace him with dan harren.

    it's fair game. the guy, on multiple occasions, puts the team in 4+ out innings because a guy who throws a ball for a living can't throw to a base. it's not like this happened once or twice or three times or four times or...

  • There goes Ross' ASG prospects...

  • unique curiosity is a good description...

    he has a lot of 4-5 out innings. this is at least the 2nd time he's turned a double play ball into 0 outs just this year that i've noticed and he's got a slew of "4-out" innings under his belt, too.

    and 1.83 ERA

    Cubs should trade him, get a worse pitcher that loses games instead but can make a throw to 1b.

  • Agreed, but like with Garza, I am surprised that more managers don't try an exploit a clear weakness.

  • not sure either, but in most cases I imagine someone else can field it. And if you bunt it directly at him, he would have enough time to underhand toss it or just run it over?

    Today's bunt, he really, really didn't want to field it. Not sure if he lost it in his glove after that or just wasn't going to make the throw. It's not ideal obviously, yet still hasn't had any real impact on the team.

  • well, how long do keep pretending that a bunt hit well back to the pitcher that would be a double play for many pitchers isn't a "thing"? it's a story. it's not like it's a physical defect people are picking on.

    no one gave chuck knoblauch a pass when he lost the ability to throw a ball to 1st.

    it's a unique curiosity for a guy who throws a ball on a professional level for a living.

  • CB Bucknor behind the plate...he is and will continue to always be awful.

  • Not sure why teams don't bunt more often against him.