Is Theo Epstein working a Marlon Byrd trade with Boston?

Of course that's an imagined conversation between Theo Epstein and Boston GM Ben Cherington, but...


Would this not make a ton of sense?
Jacoby Ellsbury, the Red Sox center fielder, did something bad to his shoulder when he slid hard into 2nd base during the Sox home opener.
A "subluxed" shoulder.
That doesn't mean "below luxury", it means he kind of dislocated it, and it means about 6-8 weeks on the DL.
The Sox have some expectations this year, and 6-8 weeks is a long time.
The Cubs, on the other hand, are lacking in expectations this year.
Although they are expected to make trades to lose the guys they can lose if it makes the team better for the future.
Cubs center fielder Marlon Byrd happens to be one of those guys.
It's too bad he picked this April to forget how to hit.
But we should pay attention, because Boston is looking. 

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Love this one, Blue! Great stuff.

I think the "sublux" injury is pretty similar to what ARam did a few years. Looks like the injury is to Ellsbury's right shoulder, too, which is his front arm when he swings the bat. It shouldn't affect his throwing, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him having trouble reaching pitches on the outside corner and hitting stuff that he's out in front of--that can really strain that front shoulder. Might affect his power for a while, too.

nice...

I think the "sublux" injury is pretty similar to what ARam did a few years.
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The injuries are similar from a rehab perspective and that both were glove side injuries (Ellsbury throws lefty). Some of the details are somewhat different, such as primary vs recurrent injury, subluxation vs dislocation.

ARam had a recurrent shoulder dislocation (May 2009) of his glove hand (left). He had dislocated the same shoulder earlier in his career in Pittsburgh (Aug 2000) and that was reported as a partial dislocation (see the TCR article linked at the bottom). Although that was an acute injury the "recurrent" part means the anterior capsule has already been injured (it usually does not heal back as tight after a dislocation) and to a certain extent remains stretched more than before the first injury.

On Friday, he (Ellsbury) injured his right shoulder trying to break up a double play.

"Subluxed" (or subluxation) is a partial dislocation and from what I can tell it's Ellsbury's first shoulder injury. A complete dislocation means the humerus or ball of the shoulder moves in front of the socket (glenoid) and out of the socket, often tearing the anterior capsule and ligaments (mainly the middle and inferior glenohumeral) that constrain it normally. Usually, it needs to be reduced or set (reports were that ARam's shoulder was reduced a few minutes afterward) although on occasion it can spontaneously reduce (more often in a recurrent situation than primary). A partial dislocation meant the humeral head didn't completely disengage the socket, so it didn't need to be reduced back in place. There was some discussion that ARam would get offseason shoulder repair to address the recurring dislocations but it never happened. ARam felt the shoulder wasn't feeling unstable after he rehabbed it. Often patients decide to repair recurrent instability after multiple dislocation or subluxation events and in ARam's case the dislocations were years apart. Ellsbury could get ongoing instability even with a subluxation event so surgical repair is still a possibility if it becomes a recurring problem. It is pretty uncommon to repair these acutely, particularly after a first time event.

I think ARam's defense got worse after the injury, possibly because he was more tentative when diving for balls but that's for another discussion. The injury didn't seem to ultimately affect his power at the plate all that much as he hit 25 HR's in 2010 and 26 HR's in 2011 (26 in 2007, 27 in 2008 before the injury).

http://www.thecubreporter.com/2009/05/09/that...

http://www.thecubreporter.com/2009/05/08/rami...

Thanks! Great info!

sounds fair to me.

Ephoy can put Marlon in the tanning bed for an hour before the trade. I heard something about the Red Sox looking to acquire fried Byrd and beer?

Red Sox lose to Tampa 1-0 today, Cody Ross (CF) strikes out looking at a 2-2 pitch with 2 runners on.

They could use some offense:

Marlon Byrd, oh wait...

Yeah, at this point, I doubt Cubs could even trade him to Baltimore for Bird from "The Wire."

CubbyBlue--

Brilliant. (Love Theo giving the "yak-yak-yak" fingers while Cherington rants.)

Just great.

think byrd switched batting shades during the stl series; that should do it...

Wellington Castillo, C, Cubs (Triple-A Iowa)
The Cubs are not a very good baseball team, but they're not expected to be. This is a team in the nascent period of what will be a long rebuilding process. While Cubs fans seem preoccupied with what first baseman Anthony Rizzo and outfielder Brett Jackson are doing at Triple-A (and both are doing well), don't forget about Castillo, especially since regular catcher Geovany Soto is one of the club's better trade chips when it comes to building for the future. With three hits in all three of his games over the weekend—and home runs in two of them—Castillo is doing his best to make the front office more comfortable in jump-starting that rebuild.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php...

Dejesus
Jackson
Castro
Soriano
Rizzo
Vitters/Stewart platoon
Barney
Castillo

Good-to-great AAA lineup. God-awful MLB lineup. :)

For 2012, yes........but preparing for 2013/2014, probably not.

nevermind... I'm removing my comment. Hooray for 2012-13.

The line up seems likely, except for Vitters sharing third base. In order for that to happen, Stewart needs to be really bad, and Vitters needs to show real power.

The rest is almost certain, other than Castillo replacing Soto, which will happen only if Soto hits well enough to be traded for something good.

stewart vs vitters is a higher-stakes/higher-return neifi vs macias =p

vitters is hitting in AAA, but his lack of power is boring...especially considering the I-Cubs have been facing some of the worst pitching in the f'n world lately (or there's a huge breakout of awesome with the cubs bats).

unless stewart really fails (.220 avg/10 hr area) he'll probably have to be paid more than the $2.4m he's making this year.

it also looks like the team is stuck with barney, for better or worse, for quite a while pending a trade.

the FA market is almost non-existent for 2nd/3rd in 2012...should be interesting.

I predict there will be no Byrd-Ellsbury deal. #easypredictions

Love the post, though, CubbieBlue. The yak yak hands were hilarious.

lol...the cardinals WS ring has a tiny "rally squirrel" on it.

http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusmlbexper...

The Red Sox don't expect to add another outfielder to replace Jacoby Elllsbury, who is having the MRIs of his injured shoulder looked at by Dr. Lewis Yocum in Los Angeles.

Sox general manager Ben Cherington said that while the Sox always do their due diligence and have their radar up, he doesn't expect a team will trade a good center fielder this early in the season.

Translation: Marlon Byrd is not a good CF (because the Cubs would trade him in a heartbeat)

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/...

Ben Badler tweets...

Teams say they haven't received any word yet about Jorge Soler becoming a free agent. Legally cannot negotiate yet.

https://twitter.com/BenBadler/status/19195003...

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  • btw...Thanks AZ Phil. I'm really enjoying your take on this trade.

    Cubster 10 min 30 sec ago view
  • I'm a bit disappointed on the Warren experience. Essentially they gave Castro away for crickets (OK, well they signed Zobrist with the Castro salary dump). Otherwise one might look at it as Chapman for Castro and our #1 minors prospect (Torres) + McKinney/Crawford. Seems pricey for a 2 month rental. We will see if this price tag is that steep in a relative way based on the remaining deadline deals for relievers.

    Cubster 10 min 58 sec ago view
  • Yep. One of the great things about this team (in addition to being really good at baseball) was the "likable" factor. Feels a bit different now. Who knows...maybe Chapman will be the king of the dance parties.

    billybucks 19 min 47 sec ago view
  • Here are some possible corresponding minor league moves we might see in the aftermath  of the Chapman trade: 

    SOUTH BEND to MYRTLE BEACH: OF Donnie Dewees and INF Bryant Flete  

    EUGENE to SOUTH BEND: OF Robert Garcia and INF Vimael Machin 

    There is really no reason to replace Billy McKinney at Tennessee because both Chris Coghlan and Jorge Soler are doing their rehab at Tennessee.  

    And there are plenty of pitchers at Iowa. No need to replace Warren at AAA. .  

    Arizona Phil 39 min 57 sec ago view
  • I am 70 years old. The Cubs last played in the World Series in 1945. I was born in 1946. I hate to lose a prospect like Torres, but when the opportunity is there to get that World Series ring, you go for it. This was the idea in stock piling all this young talent. I would like to see Reddick added now and the Cubbies should be done.

    Hagsag 1 hour 10 min ago view
  • I would expect Richard to accept an optional assignment because based on how he's played this season, there is a decent chance that he won't find work elsewhere. Rather stay and potentially get a ring. Same goes for Coghlan since he's struggled mightily this year.

    Edwards should not go down. He's pitched very well and Maddon is very impressed with him. I would expect Grimm to go down for Cahill so he can get back on track (he's pitched better in July, but he's not getting enough appearances).

    chitownmvp01 1 hour 13 min ago view
  • chitownmvp01: Indeed Clayton Richard would seem to be odd man out once Chapman reports, but Richard might accept a minor league assignment if he is promised a return to Chicago on 9/1 when MLB Active List rosters expand (Richard has minor league ioptions left).

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 16 min ago view
  • The only player in the deal that would cause me a second thought is Gleyber Torres.

    McKinney and Crawford are decent prospects but both are redundant/replaceable in the system and Warren was really only a middle-reliever or #6 starter, so to me it's really just Torres for Chapman.

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 37 min ago view
  • There is no Comp pick for players traded mid-season. 2+ months of Chapman is it.

    mbauer 1 hour 39 min ago view
  • to get one of the best you have to give up one/some of your best...but it's a bit painful to watch the system's best prospect walk for any 2-3 month rental, especially one that's not an everyday player.

    crunch 1 hour 42 min ago view
  • I assume Chapman will replace Richard on the roster, but who goes down when Cahill gets activated? Maybe Grimm?

    And when Soler and Coghlan get healthy, how do they fit them on the roster when they're ready to be activated?

    chitownmvp01 1 hour 45 min ago view
  • We are giving up a lot, but it's not like we're trading Addison Russell for 2+ months of Jason Hammel. When impact players become available, they are going to cost you. The other bids could also have been high.

    Having Chapman as a rental is potentially less disruptive than having him come in with an extension in place. 

    CTSteve 1 hour 47 min ago view
  • Billy McKinney had season-ending knee surgery last August and came to Minor League Camp this year somewhat restricted. (He was used mostly as a DH in Cactus League Minor League Camp games), and I'm not sure he's 100% right now (he's repeating AA, and his XBH numbers are way down, like he's not getting good rotation in his lowev half). That might have been part of the reason why the trade wasn't completed right away.

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 54 min ago view
  • Rashad Crawford was a basketball star in HS (he was known as "Baby Jordan", and baseball was only his second sport) and he has plus-speed and athleticism, so when the Cubs drafted him (Keith Lockhart was the scout)  he was seen as a long-term project.  

    I was at Fitch Park the day that Rashad Crawford became a LH hitter, He waa never a switch-hitter, He went directly from being a RH hitter to a LH hitter, which I had never seen before. 

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 2 min ago view
  • I'm with Rob G and Johann here. It's not about Chapman as a pitcher. I just don't want to have to block out a real problem (the domestic violence) in order to try to enjoy the frivolous ball and stick game.

    Charlie 2 hours 10 min ago view
  • ROB G & BOB R: You're right. The QO can only be extended if the player spends the entire previous season with one club, so only the Yankees could have offered one to Chapman (if he wasn't traded). If an Article XX-B FA is traded during the season, the new club can't offer a QO. .

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 11 min ago view