Is Theo Epstein working a Marlon Byrd trade with Boston?

Of course that's an imagined conversation between Theo Epstein and Boston GM Ben Cherington, but...

Would this not make a ton of sense?
Jacoby Ellsbury, the Red Sox center fielder, did something bad to his shoulder when he slid hard into 2nd base during the Sox home opener.
A "subluxed" shoulder.
That doesn't mean "below luxury", it means he kind of dislocated it, and it means about 6-8 weeks on the DL.
The Sox have some expectations this year, and 6-8 weeks is a long time.
The Cubs, on the other hand, are lacking in expectations this year.
Although they are expected to make trades to lose the guys they can lose if it makes the team better for the future.
Cubs center fielder Marlon Byrd happens to be one of those guys.
It's too bad he picked this April to forget how to hit.
But we should pay attention, because Boston is looking. 


Love this one, Blue! Great stuff.

I think the "sublux" injury is pretty similar to what ARam did a few years. Looks like the injury is to Ellsbury's right shoulder, too, which is his front arm when he swings the bat. It shouldn't affect his throwing, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him having trouble reaching pitches on the outside corner and hitting stuff that he's out in front of--that can really strain that front shoulder. Might affect his power for a while, too.


I think the "sublux" injury is pretty similar to what ARam did a few years.
The injuries are similar from a rehab perspective and that both were glove side injuries (Ellsbury throws lefty). Some of the details are somewhat different, such as primary vs recurrent injury, subluxation vs dislocation.

ARam had a recurrent shoulder dislocation (May 2009) of his glove hand (left). He had dislocated the same shoulder earlier in his career in Pittsburgh (Aug 2000) and that was reported as a partial dislocation (see the TCR article linked at the bottom). Although that was an acute injury the "recurrent" part means the anterior capsule has already been injured (it usually does not heal back as tight after a dislocation) and to a certain extent remains stretched more than before the first injury.

On Friday, he (Ellsbury) injured his right shoulder trying to break up a double play.

"Subluxed" (or subluxation) is a partial dislocation and from what I can tell it's Ellsbury's first shoulder injury. A complete dislocation means the humerus or ball of the shoulder moves in front of the socket (glenoid) and out of the socket, often tearing the anterior capsule and ligaments (mainly the middle and inferior glenohumeral) that constrain it normally. Usually, it needs to be reduced or set (reports were that ARam's shoulder was reduced a few minutes afterward) although on occasion it can spontaneously reduce (more often in a recurrent situation than primary). A partial dislocation meant the humeral head didn't completely disengage the socket, so it didn't need to be reduced back in place. There was some discussion that ARam would get offseason shoulder repair to address the recurring dislocations but it never happened. ARam felt the shoulder wasn't feeling unstable after he rehabbed it. Often patients decide to repair recurrent instability after multiple dislocation or subluxation events and in ARam's case the dislocations were years apart. Ellsbury could get ongoing instability even with a subluxation event so surgical repair is still a possibility if it becomes a recurring problem. It is pretty uncommon to repair these acutely, particularly after a first time event.

I think ARam's defense got worse after the injury, possibly because he was more tentative when diving for balls but that's for another discussion. The injury didn't seem to ultimately affect his power at the plate all that much as he hit 25 HR's in 2010 and 26 HR's in 2011 (26 in 2007, 27 in 2008 before the injury).

Thanks! Great info!

sounds fair to me.

Ephoy can put Marlon in the tanning bed for an hour before the trade. I heard something about the Red Sox looking to acquire fried Byrd and beer?

Red Sox lose to Tampa 1-0 today, Cody Ross (CF) strikes out looking at a 2-2 pitch with 2 runners on.

They could use some offense:

Marlon Byrd, oh wait...

Yeah, at this point, I doubt Cubs could even trade him to Baltimore for Bird from "The Wire."


Brilliant. (Love Theo giving the "yak-yak-yak" fingers while Cherington rants.)

Just great.

think byrd switched batting shades during the stl series; that should do it...

Wellington Castillo, C, Cubs (Triple-A Iowa)
The Cubs are not a very good baseball team, but they're not expected to be. This is a team in the nascent period of what will be a long rebuilding process. While Cubs fans seem preoccupied with what first baseman Anthony Rizzo and outfielder Brett Jackson are doing at Triple-A (and both are doing well), don't forget about Castillo, especially since regular catcher Geovany Soto is one of the club's better trade chips when it comes to building for the future. With three hits in all three of his games over the weekend—and home runs in two of them—Castillo is doing his best to make the front office more comfortable in jump-starting that rebuild.

Vitters/Stewart platoon

Good-to-great AAA lineup. God-awful MLB lineup. :)

For 2012, yes........but preparing for 2013/2014, probably not.

nevermind... I'm removing my comment. Hooray for 2012-13.

The line up seems likely, except for Vitters sharing third base. In order for that to happen, Stewart needs to be really bad, and Vitters needs to show real power.

The rest is almost certain, other than Castillo replacing Soto, which will happen only if Soto hits well enough to be traded for something good.

stewart vs vitters is a higher-stakes/higher-return neifi vs macias =p

vitters is hitting in AAA, but his lack of power is boring...especially considering the I-Cubs have been facing some of the worst pitching in the f'n world lately (or there's a huge breakout of awesome with the cubs bats).

unless stewart really fails (.220 avg/10 hr area) he'll probably have to be paid more than the $2.4m he's making this year.

it also looks like the team is stuck with barney, for better or worse, for quite a while pending a trade.

the FA market is almost non-existent for 2nd/3rd in 2012...should be interesting.

I predict there will be no Byrd-Ellsbury deal. #easypredictions

Love the post, though, CubbieBlue. The yak yak hands were hilarious.

lol...the cardinals WS ring has a tiny "rally squirrel" on it.

The Red Sox don't expect to add another outfielder to replace Jacoby Elllsbury, who is having the MRIs of his injured shoulder looked at by Dr. Lewis Yocum in Los Angeles.

Sox general manager Ben Cherington said that while the Sox always do their due diligence and have their radar up, he doesn't expect a team will trade a good center fielder this early in the season.

Translation: Marlon Byrd is not a good CF (because the Cubs would trade him in a heartbeat)

Ben Badler tweets...

Teams say they haven't received any word yet about Jorge Soler becoming a free agent. Legally cannot negotiate yet.

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