Last Day to Vote

The folks at Baseball Prospectus are running their annual Internet Baseball Awards which I find far more interesting and relevant than the ridiculous BBWAA vote. Today is the last day to vote though, so head on over.

- Cubs fan and PECOTA master Nate Silver of Baseball Prospectus (and occasional TCR reader) has branched out to politics with a new polling-analysis website. You can see his guest spot on The Colbert Report by following the link.

- More jokes at the expense of us Cubs fans courtesy of SNL and Bill Murray (go to about 3:30 left in the clip).

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if i remember this correctly, my vote:

NL MVP: Pujols, Berkman, Howard, 7 other guys (I think I put Soto 6th or 7th)

NL CY: Lincecum, Santana, Sabathia

ROY: Soto, Votto

MOY: Piniella, Manuel

AL MVP: Mauer, Sizemore, Arod, Lee, Halladay, Quentin, Hamilton, K-rod (totally forgot to put Pedroia in there, but he'd probably be 2nd or 3rd)

AL CY: Lee, Halladay, Krod (probably doesn't deserve this but that's a lot of saves)

ROY: Longoria and who cares

MOY: Maddon, Gardenhire 

Mine, FWIW.

AL MVP: Hamilton, Morneau, Pedoria, Sizemore, ARod, Huff, M. Cabrera, Youkilis, Markakis, Quentin
NL MVP: Pujols, Wright, Beltran, Berkman, Howard, Utley, Reyes, H. Ramirez, McLouth, A. Gonzalez

AL Cy: Halladay, Lee, Santana, Burnett, KRod
NL Cy: Lincecum, Webb, Santana, Haren, Hamels

AL MOY: Gardie, Maddon, Gaston
NL MOY: Torre, LaRussa, Cox

Pinella doesn't deserve it. Not even close.

Torre is more deserving. Hell, Cooper and LaRussa deserve it more.

Torre is more deserving

 for lucking into Manny Ramirez? 

Maybe Manny should get the vote for MOY

probably should have voted LaRussa 2nd...

not sure what Cooper did other than the Astros got on a hot streak in September, doesn't excuse the other shitty 5 months. if that hot streak came in July, no one would have noticed.

Also, why Ryan Howard this year and seemingly half the MVP's of the last 5 years don't deserve it. 

a chunk of it has to do with voters wanting to blown away, not lulled into the extra 20-ish walks/hits leading to a .400-ish ob% taking importance over 20-ish more extra base hits.

voters also tend to not care about someone's walk/singles totals unless it's leading to runs or a good sb/cs percentage putting the guy on 2nd/3rd to score in better position.

hell, some voters don't even put that much thought into it...they just vote.

mvp voting has 1 mostly-consistant point...dominance of more than just 1 or 2 categories...

I think it's impossible to know exactly what a manager influences and does. But, I too think Pinella deserves it for the regular season. What he touched generally turned to gold for 97 wins this year, a good 10 wins above what I expected them to do.

Cards crashed and burned at the end, so I think that takes LaRussa out of it.

Even with a great September, the Dodgers still only won in the mid 80's.

Most everything was expected in the NL...but it wasn't expected that the Cubs would win 97 games and have the best record in the NL.

Well... I remember that BP had projected the Cubs offense to lead the league in OBP. The other 'surprise' this year was probably Dempster, who Pinhead should get some credit for putting in the rotation... however, Pinhead is the same guy who didn't put him in the rotation last year.

I like Sveum for manager of the year. Sveum, Sabathia, Ramirez... who's a rookie who came up late and did well? Smardizjia, those are my winners.

did Brett Myers make?

I must say that it is quite depressing watching Brett Myers get clutch hits against Billingsley.

The devil has nothing to gain from making a deal for Brett Myers' soul because he's already going to hell for beating his wife. Scumbag.

As I recell those BP Internet awards follow the VORP ranking so closely there's no point in even doing them. Like taking a poll for who should be the VP at the Republican National Convention. Biased sample = biased results.

Maybe VA Phil and Chad's website should run a poll too.

haven't done a study, but if Mauer wins this year he's about 8th in VORP...

maybe you meant WARP... 

Nah, VORP. Have the BP guys been talking up Mauer?

don't know about Mauer

VORP Winner followed by IBA winner

2007 - Arod/Hanley

Arod/Holliday

2006: Jeter/Pujols

Jeter/Pujols

2005: Arod/Derrek Lee

Arod/Pujols

I was going to do the rest of the decade but BP seems to freeze a lot on my Mac for some reason when I start sorting through there stats. Safari and Firefox...weird. 

-edited, nevermind-

IBA winner...got it mixed up with bbwaa

2007 VORP vs IBA:

MVP VORP
Arod 1
Ordonez 2
Ortiz 3

MVP VORP
Holiday 4
Wright 2
Rollins 9

Cy Young VORP
Sabathia 1
Beckett 4
Carmona 2

Cy Young VORP
Peavy 1
Webb 2
Penny 3

ROY VORP
Pedroia 3
Matsuki 2
Bannister 4
(Guthrie was 1st, was he rookie eligible?)

ROY VORP
Braun 1
Tulowostki 3
Pence 2

For the most part, pretty close except the NL MVP, where I think the voters did factor in some defense, for some reason.

the only thing they factored in was that Rollins had a good September and the Mets choked. Rollins was like the 3rd best player on his team.

Guthrie wasn't eligible, too much service time before 2007.

the internet awards tend to be a bit more sane at least...

they don't match up totally, but they're trying really hard to sell mauer on people this season.

last year it was LF holliday and his big park they were celebrating over SS rollins...this year's focus on mauer seems to be really odd and pretty much hinging on the fact he was the only AL catcher this year healthy or talented enough to put in a full season.

in the end it's the will of the people...granted, people that frequent their kool aid stand...that get to vote. they've done a pretty decent job historically.

it's like how I imagine the playoffs should have gone, just the Cubs would be up 8-2.

/slits wrists

Manny sees with anyone on base.

Doesn't it hurt even more when a team or player that kills us, gets killed by someone else.

but I guess I missed it

http://deadspin.com/5053163/getting-to-know-alfons...

maybe Soriano was just distracted by the pending divorce...

yeesh...that girl is rough looking, too.

she's got hillbilly face under all that makeup.

Soriano was more interested in the dude in the first photo, but his balls were at least a foot out of reach.

I vote for...who f**ing cares, the Cubs got swept, does anybody even remember...I'm still bitter...

i'm voting for CA-Phil

My ballot:

AL MVP: K-Rod (I know its out there but if the Angels had Eric Gagne as their closer those 15+ games they won the division by would have turned into a tight 3 way race race with the Rangers and A's. Also its not like their is a hitter with eyepopping stats.) 2. Youklis 3. Mauer 4. Sizemore 5. Hamilton 6. Pedroia 7. Quentin 8. Longoria 9. Morneau 10. Lee

AL CY- Cliff Lee (Just too dominate as a SP to to give the award to a CL even if he is the MVP) 2. K-rod 3. Dice K 4. Mussina 5. Halladay

AL ROY- Evan Longoria 2. Alexi Ramirez 3.Denard Span

AL MOY Gardenhire (While the Rays were a surprise, everyone knew they had talent unlike the Twins) 2. Maddon 3. Ozzie

NL MVP Pujols (He showed how valuable he was this year by making guys who looked they were done (Glaus) and washed out (Ludwick) into solid contributors. He also lead the in BA and was up there in most everything else) 2. Berkman 3. Utley 4. Lidge 5. Howard 6. Sabathia 7. Chipper 8. Beltran 9. Soto 10. Hanram

NL CY Lincecum 2. Webb 3. Santana 4. Sabathia 5. Lidge

NL ROY- Soto 2. Joey Votto 3. Jair Jurrens

NL MOY Joe Torre (Found a way to mesh a team that was rebuilt at the trade deadline) 2. Fredi Gonzalez 3. Tony LaRussa

How I aspect the BWAA voting will go:

AL MVP Pedroia (East Coast writters just love scrappy white guys), AL CY Lee, AL ROY Longoria AL MOY Maddon
NL MVP Howard (BWAA loves the counting stats and East Coast guys making Howard too hard to pass up), NL CY Webb (Hey he had 21 wins!) NL ROY- Soto NL MOY Torre

Wow.....

So according to you, K-rod was the second best pitcher in the league but was somehow the most valuable? I must have missed all those HR he hit.

No that makes perfect sense. I voted for Soto for MVP and Fukudome for ROY. Ok, I really didn't.

The Cy Young is suppose to go the Best pitcher, while the Most VALUABLE Player award is suppose to go the player who is the most imporant to a team's success. Given all the 1 or 2 run games the Angels won having K-rod instead of a league average closer likely gave the Angels more wins than Mauer gave to the Twins or Pedroia gave to the Red Sox. If the award was meant as an award to be strictly given away to the best player in any year, Sizemore would be running away with it.

a lot would argue MVP goes to the best player, period.

how important a player is to a team matters, but they do tend to be above average in a number of categories rather than being simply a team leader with few peers on other teams.

when i think "MVP" i think the player who could walk onto any of 30 teams and not only do well, but dominate a number of categories.

If you were a manager and had the Angels bullpen, and instead of K-rod you had Gagne, and you used Gagne as your closer instead of someone else, you would be fired by July. You are using an illogical and unrealistic example to try and prove your point.

That's why Fukudome should get ROY. Yeah, he struggled, but if Paul Bako was playing RF for the Cubs, they probably would have lost a lot more games.

OK I still doubt there a 90 win team if Sheilds is their closer.

So Sheilds [sic] would blown at least 10 saves? And the team would have lost those 10 blown saves? Heh.

The MLB leaders in blown saves were Gregg and Corpas, with nine (9) each. The MLB leader in losses was 10.

I am pretty confident that Scott Shields would have had less than 10 blown saves and less than ten losses, or he would not have remained the closer.

The Angels would have won more than 90 games with or without KRod.

K-rod wasn't even the best pitcher in the Angels bullpen. Hello Jose Arredondo, the Angels closer in 2009.

NL MVP Pujols
NL Cy Santana
Nl ROY SOTO
NL MOY Torre

AL MVP Mauer
AL Cy Lee
AL ROY Longoria
AL MOY Maddon

jamie moyer is not very good at baseball tonight.

Cubs, Sox (for those so inclined in Chicago), and now another absolutely brutal Bears loss, the 2nd in 3 weeks.

Somebody in this town has SERIOUSLY pissed off the sporting gods.

You're just figuring that out now?

Seesm to have gotten a bit more intense over the last 7-8 days.

Vindication? ...but Jeez, what a weird existence.
Jose C. must have used his advance book money to make this purchase. Did anyone read the second book?

hCG is also what is tested for in positive pregnancy tests

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonad...

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SAN DIEGO (AP)—Jose Canseco was held for nearly 10 hours by immigration authorities after agents said they stopped the former baseball star as he attempted to bring a fertility drug from Mexico, his lawyer said Friday.

Canceco was detained at San Diego’s San Ysidro border crossing Thursday after agents searched his vehicle and said they found human chorionic gonadotropin, which is illegal without a prescription, said his attorney, Gregory Emerson.

Emerson declined to say if Canseco—who admitted to using steroids in a 2005 book that also alleged steroid use by other baseball players—had the drug, which is banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency for use in males. The drug helps restore production of testosterone lost in steroid users.

A spokeswoman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Virginia Kice, said Canseco was ordered to appear in federal court in San Diego “related to an alleged smuggling violation” Thursday at a U.S. border crossing. She declined to elaborate.

Canseco has not been charged with a crime, Kice said. If he were to be charged, it would happen at his court appearance.

Through the grapevine... sounds like the Cubs are going to be making a serious play at this guy over the off season. Could be a good thing, could be bad... We'll see if the rumors are serious.

No thanks. After spending the last two years watching Soriano hopping around in left field, this is the last thing we need. Pass.

*high five*

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  • If it was 2006 Hendry would be there w a Bible and a contract
    https://mobile.twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/77...

    jacos 1 hour 41 min ago view
  • he subscribes to my twitter, he's beyond TCR. #yolo #swag

    crunch 2 hours 18 min ago view
  • Whoops. Maddon must have been reading TCR (for his daily crunch) and got confused.

    CTSteve 2 hours 21 min ago view
  • kuhl is a righty, not a lefty.

    i think maddon might think kuhl is a lefty, too. i wonder what the reasoning is for baez leading off vs a rightie.

    crunch 3 hours 2 min ago view
  • "trout's one of the best, and at this point should probably win over donaldson (and should have more MVPs in the past, too), but the defensive aspect of valuing WAR still needs more tweaking...imo."

    that's from my 1st post. there's no suck involved in that. maybe with a few less posts about bullshit that point would have jumped out more.

    crunch 3 hours 49 min ago view
  • crunch - you do know that, taking defense out of the equation, Trout has led the AL in wRC+ each of those years, right?

    And, if you want to complain about position adjustment (which would be serious #crunchsplaining), he's been in the top 3 in the AL in WC (not park/league/position adjusted). And the only players ahead of him (if there were any players ahead of him) in any of those years have been DHs or 1B that play lousy defense.

    But sure - Trout sucks (or at least isn't as good as WAR says). Because it factors in defense and position.

    big_lowitzki 4 hours 54 min ago view
  • early tim tebow stuff rolling in...

    ran a 6.7 60yd (above average)...shagging flies in RF and showed off a rather impressive arm a few times, but average-at best on most of his throws...hit a few over the fence (both fields), fouled or weak contact a few...he's got a touch of power

    it'll be interesting to see who bites on this project, if anyone. he probably projected himself out of RF and into LF/1st because of his arm, but unless he can make that power work on a steady basis it'll be hard for him to play himself up anyone's system.

    crunch 5 hours 39 min ago view
  • LHP Clayton Richard (released by the Cubs earlier this month) is pitching very well as a starting pitcher for the San Diego Padres and could be a good candidate to get traded to a contender looking for a veteran SP before tomorrow night's post-season roster eligibility deadline.

    Because they released him, the Cubs are paying most of Richard's 2016 salary (the Cubs are on the hooks for $2M, minus the pro-rated portion of the MLB minimum salary that is paid by the Padres).

    Arizona Phil 7 hours 26 min ago view
  • it is honestly awesome (for real) that anyone would even have a strong opinion on AZL playoffs. i guess if you invest enough time watching it, you want to see a fair/just playoff structure.

    plus, the kids deserve it.

    crunch 7 hours 27 min ago view
  • The AZL team with the best record over the course of the full 2016 AZL season and the only AZL team to play .600 ball (the AZL Dodgers) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, and the AZL East Division team with the best record over the course of the full season (the AZL Athletics) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, either. 

    That's because of the ridiculous "split season" schedule most of the minor leagues now play, a stupid system that rewards mediocrity at the expense of the worthy. 

    Arizona Phil 7 hours 33 min ago view
  • Despite good movement on his fastball, I think location kept him from getting Ks. Left some pitches up and away that got hammered up and away. Then of course Travis Wood gave up the 2-run double in the 7th, but both runs counted against Arrieta.

    Charlie 8 hours 10 min ago view
  • "i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date."

    This level of discourse is #charming.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 8 hours 10 min ago view
  • I would be having this discussion with anyone who (a) blathered on ad nauseum about the topic. (See, "Olt, Mike, not given an opportunity") or (b) responded directly to what I posted (which you did).

    Have a nice day.

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 8 hours 13 min ago view
  • what would you do without me? aside from having your posting content here cut by 75%+?

    i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date.

    crunch 8 hours 16 min ago view
  • In this instance, yes, I care more about the result of this big thing that isn't really a big thing.

    #crunchsplaining

    #willlistentojeffsullivanmorethanyou

    #blessyourheart

    #hitler

    #tcrmartyr

    #billyhamiltonwar

    #baseballtalk

    Tito 8 hours 17 min ago view
  • Two things:

    Fangraphs WAR #s include baserunning and Hamilton is elite at that. He leads in SBs with the 54 and and has an 87% rate which is really good. I'm sure once he gets on base he's able to take the extra base quite often too. Both those things will up his overall WAR value.

    The differences between BR and FG WAR is pretty well documented online and thus If there are discrepancies it's fairly easy to figure out why. It's fairly well accepted that BR WAR is fine as a snapshot but FG is better at predicting future value.

    johann 8 hours 21 min ago view